Jane! Christy! Fitz?

Fitz!

Fitz shmitz!

Why is everyone still invoking Fitz?

Didn’t he break–okay, wound–our hearts with Rove? Do you all know something I don’t? (It wouldn’t be the first time.)

Seriously. Whence all the Fitzing?

Seriously. Whence all the Fitzing?

When in Rome, I guess. Wasn’t sure if the firepups were ready for “I pinch”…

I”ve been racking my brains recently trying to figure out who Lieberman reminds me of. Then it hit me just now: Joe Lieberman looks like Palpatine in the STAR WARS trilogy recently completed. Makes sense since since Joe-mama has definitely gone over to the dark side…. ;-)

On Fitz, did anyone see the Pres-conference in Chicago, where the Preznit was asked whether he planned to reappoint Fitz, and he said, “I don’t know”?

I’’ve been racking my brains recently trying to figure out who Lieberman reminds me of. Then it hit me just now: Joe Lieberman looks like Palpatine in the STAR WARS trilogy recently completed. Makes sense since since Joe-mama has definitely gone over to the dark side…. ;-)

You’re not the first…

I’m amazed how much he sounds like the dad from ALF.

I never knew Hadassah was a pharmaceuticals lobbyist–thanks for sharing that. Don’t know why Lieberman is so worried or upset about losing. He could become a lobbyist like so many other obnoxious ex- senators (Packwood, Ashcroft). He’s got ins already with AIPAC and now the pharmaceutical companies.

Karl may have done some skullduggery to avoid his day in court, but the silence from the Fitz camp speaks volumes. This is far from over… And as far as Lieberman goes, all of his “support” is only showing the CT voters more reasons not to vote for him. Kudos to Jane and the ninja poodles, evil may run but it cannot hide!

re: fitz
a) tradition, and
b) an evolution of fitzing from the cheer for the single and specific person to a more generalized call for justice, taking on the evils of this administration, holding law-breakers and constitution-trashers accountable imo (or quite possibly just in my own head).

“how many of your kids are serving in Iraq, Mrs. Lieberman?”

That question, and variations of it, are what I’d give ten years off my life to see the major media ask current officeholders.

How many of your kids’s jobs have been outsourced?

How many of your kids don’t have health care?

How many of your kids’ pensions went up in smoke?

You get my drift.

Mr. Wonderful, read the FDL posts about the Scooter Irving filings. Fitz isn’t going to leak. Rove is going to testify against Scooter or get indicted, or both. DeadEye appears to be the destination.
Fitz is absolutely horrible at self-promotion, which is why he is such a kick-ass prosecutor and effing great patriot.
This is great stuff Jane. All the press reports I have read have been very positive about the debate. I guess Biden missed the nuclear pact Bush signed with India.

Fitz is absolutely horrible at self-promotion, which is why he is such a kick-ass prosecutor and effing great patriot.

Not horrible, just completely uninterested, if not outright anti.

Jane, if you’re in or around New Haven, you might enjoy dropping in on the Women’s Campaign School at Yale Univ.

It’s a non-partisan training program for women running for office:

http://www.wcsyale.org/default.aspx

They teach women who are political novices about fundraising, polling, staffing, media, etc.

MR. RUSSERT: Senator Lieberman, your Republican colleague from Connecticut in the House, Christopher Shays, had this to say. “This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy. … There are going to be repercussions from this vote [on Schiavo’s constitutional rights]. There are a number of people who feel that the government is getting involved in their personal lives in a way that scares them.”

You agree with that?

SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN, (D-CT): I don’t. But that’s a very credible and respectable opinion for Chris to take. See, I think–and Chris was there on the floor of the House, so maybe he heard in the debate some things that I didn’t hear following it from a distance. The fact is that, though I know a lot of people’s attitude toward the Schiavo case and other matters is affected by their faith and their sense of what religion tells them about morality, ultimately as members of Congress, as judges, as members of the Florida state Legislature, this is a matter of law. And the law exists to express our values.

I have been saying this in speeches to students about why getting involved in government is so important, I always say the law is where we define the beginning of life and the end of life, and that’s exactly what was going on here. And I think as a matter of law, if you go–particularly to the 14th Amendment, can’t be denied due process, have your life or liberty taken without due process of law, that though the Congress’ involvement here was awkward, unconventional, it was justified to give this woman, more than her parents or husband, the opportunity for one more chance before her life was terminated by an act which was sanctioned by a court, by the state.

These are very difficult decisions, but–of course, if you ask me what I would do if I was the Florida Legislature or any state legislature, I’d say that if somebody doesn’t have a living will and the next of kin disagree on whether the person should be kept alive or that is whether food and water should be taken away and her life ended that really the benefit of the doubt ought to be given to life. And the family member who wants to sustain her life ought to have that right because the judge really doesn’t know, though he heard the facts, one judge, what Terri Schiavo wanted. He made a best guess based on the evidence before him. That’s not enough when you’re talking about aggressively removing food and water to end someone’s life.

MR. RUSSERT: You would have kept the tube in?

SEN. LIEBERMAN: I would have kept the tube in.

according to Cut’n Run Joe’s Senate website, he and lobbyist Hadassah have 4 children — Matthew, Rebecca, Ethan and Hana. Enlistment age is now raised to 42yo — http://goarmy.com for the LieberKids! No mention however of his first wife…

Off topic? Topic/schmopic, who needs a topic? I found this link, and pass it on to you. Vote Early, Vote Often.
Here’s Lieberman: http://amiannoying.com/(piftsr45nz0ehd45yylhodbe)/view.aspx?ID=210

Here’s Georg B*sh
http://amiannoying.com/(piftsr45nz0ehd45yylhodbe)/view.aspx?ID=66

Guess which is most annoying?

GREAT CATCH Dover!

The links may neeed to be cut and pasted. I don’t think they work as the sit.

Not only was Bush non-committal about keeping Fitz on as Special Prosecutor or US Attorney, but suddenly this new friendship has sprung up between Bush and Mayor Daley. Fitz must be getting under the skin of a lot of Chicago and Illinois politicians.

It’s also conveniently remote from New Haven to allow for the shipment of stunt volunteers

Jane, you don’t live in CT, you aren’t going to have to live with the bad blood created by this kind of rhetoric, CT Democrats do. Try to think how that sounds to those now supporting Lieberman.

Lamont supporters have to lay the ground work now for the general election. That means not indulging in any sort of rhetoric that would prohibit any future coalition. After the primary there will have to be a healing of the wonds, especially if Lieberman runs as an independent. So by all means, attack Lieberman early and often, but respect his supporters. A primary is not a general election and you can’t wage one as if it were.

The sustainability of FDL’s surging popularity is a tremendous victory for Jane, Christy, and all the other posters. FDL was built on Plamegate, but it’s showing a resonance/brand/trust with readers that will outlast it.

I still say “Fitz” but now without as much gusto; as you can tell, now it’s far more tentative. The reason being, I finally reached the conclusion with the revelation that Bush told Cheney to “Get all the information out” and the word was passed down the line to the underlings, what Fitz was really looking at was far from a slam dunk case. Except for Libby’s obvious and egregious lies, Fitz is looking at high crimes and misdemeaners, things like abuse of power and not following the laws by the president himself. This is not his purview, but belongs to Congress for final disposition. I’m just glad Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski were more aggressive in their approach to similar problems with the Chief Executive.

Regarding Ned, I thought he looked very good during the debate, and Lieberman looked like he thought he should be entitled to keep his position regardless of anything. Since the job is an entitlement to him, you could say that Biden is just a caseworker offering some Senate Welfare to the downtrodden Joe. What I can’t figure out is why nobody is bringing up all the support he’s been getting from Rush, Ann Coulter, et al. That can’t be good for his image as a devout Democrat!

I saw Biden on CNN last night, and I don’t know if it was the lighting, or what, but his teeth were so white, they reminded me of that “Friends” episode where Ross bleaches his teeth and they glow in the dark…

Bidens’ visit sounds a bit token, more like skulking into town and hoping he can get out fast, than the big whoop-te-doo complete with brass band that Lieberbaby would probably prefer. ‘Course Lieberbaby will probably give it the brass-band spin, anyway.

OT - For those of you who were on last night when I vented about my trip to see my aunt today, let me just tell you it was quite a day. We were fortunate to have quite a decently long visit with my aunt - without her asshole husband - but he eventually showed up and that’s when things got kind of awful. He was going on and on about her fall and the trauma and how pleased he was about her progress, and then said, “until *you people* called the other day, and upset her, and she’s been upset ever since, and didn’t want you to come” and meanwhile, my aunt is sitting right there - he talked about her like she wasn’t even in the room. He’s so hard of hearing it was excruciating trying to explain to him that she is family and he needed to let us know about this event. He kept giving us this song-and-dance about the whole thing, blaming us for her lack of progress, and I kept trying to tell him that even if she didn’t want us to visit, there was no reason not to at least inform us. I was so upset I had to walk out before I let him have it, but my sister-in-law just point-blank asked my aunt if she was upset by our being there. She said, “No,” and then my SIL asked if she wanted us to leave and she again said, “No.” SOB husband started in again, and my SIL just put up her hand and said, “Enough - she says she wants us to stay and she’s happy we’re here, so just shut it.” He finally left, and said he would be back later. I told my aunt how sorry I was - that I didn’t want to uset her, and she assured me that I shouldn’t pay attention to SOB. I’m thinking she may have been upset after we called because she realized he HADN’T let us know. I ended up going out to the nurse’s station and asking them to put my and my brother’s contact info in her chart, so that we could be called in the event of a change. What a creep. I guess I should have known years ago, when he didn’t come to my father’s funeral. Why? Because he had some “lucrative” part-time job driving a limo, and didn’t want to turn down THE MONEY. I wanted to tell him today that I hope he’s sitting on a big pile of money because he’s going to need it when he can’t take care of himself and there’s no one who gives a hot damn whether he lives or dies. Am not optimistic about my aunt’s physical or mental health, and that was the hardest thing to see.

“I voted for the bankruptcy bill before I voted against it”

(edited)

On the only vote that opponents of the bill had a chance of winning - a motion to cut off further discussion - he sided with the credit card companies.

his vote against the bill was an empty gesture.”

(edited)

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/....._endo.html

Can you say ALITO?

Chris Bowers at MyDD has a great commentary on the media’s obsession with Lieberman (how dare they challenge an incumbent) and silence as to the more conservative challengers of Chaffee and Akaka.

I’ve wondered about the point Alice [21] makes. What if Ned wins [we hope] in the primary? How, then, does he try to keep Democrats as Democrats and win some moderate Republicans over. There’s a big Conservative contingency that might well determine the outcome by Liebermanizing. I’m sure that the “win this battle, lose the war” problem is being considered, but it’s a thorny issue…

Chris Bowers at MyDD has a great commentary on the media’s obsession with Lieberman (how dare they challenge an incumbent) and silence as to the more conservative challengers of Chaffee and Akaka.

Neither of whom intends to ignore the primary outcome, correct?

So Joe Biden is expected to show up at a particular place at a particular time on Monday to support his pal from the Incumbency Party, No Mojo Lieberman. What is the latest word on the status of Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid with regard to their Lieberman problem? Are they supporting him, or struggling to find a graceful way to backtrack?

That photo raises a wardrobe issue, one that came to mind during the debate: IMHO Ned should stop wearing that shade of blue. It washes him out completely. I am sure this sounds entirely ridiculous but such is the image game of politics in the televisual era.

OK while we have Joe “B-side” coming to Stamford,maybe we can still dissuade Barbara Boxer from coming. Already she is getting enough calls and emails (including from CT NOW) that she may have second thoughts on coming. The more she gets the better. By the way, love your site and thanks for supporting Ned. I’m a volunteer at the Willimantic campaign office. Yes, I was in the parade!
Peace Out! Doug Yeager*
*The flames are stunning, the camera’s rolling,so take warning!” Bad Religion fan too

Jane, your endurance continues to amaze me, in light of recent tragic events. May you go from strength to strength.

From NY Observer: Schumer on Bloggers and Ned Lamont
As DSCC chair, Chuck Schumer finds himself in an interesting situation now that Hillary Clinton has gone on the record saying that she will support whoever wins the Democratic primary in the race between Joe Lieberman and Ned Lamont in Connecticut.
Clinton has managed to display loyalty to the party with her talk of “honoring” the decisions of primary voters, while no doubt winning some points with the anti-war liberals (and bloggers) who are opposing Lieberman.
Schumer, on the other hand, finds himself in a tighter spot due to his institutional stake in the matter. (He told Meet the Press, somewhat awkwardly, that he was “not going to speculate on what happens after the primary, because we believe Joe Lieberman is going to win.”)
Here’s what he told us last week about the bloggers and liberal activists drumming up money and support for Lamont.
“It’s money that could go to a better place. Because even if you are vehemently opposed to the war, my argument would be that taking back the senate is the best thing we can do. We have more effect changing the course that way.”
We’re still waiting for the folks at the DSCC to get back to us with more insight into Chuck’s uncomfortable position.”

Those of us who are desperately hoping that Ned Lamont will win the primary need to stay clear of any kind of ad hominum attacks on Senator Leiberman. In my view, Leiberman’s advocacy of the Iraq War is sufficient reason for the voters of Connecticut to give him a pink slip. Too many innocent people have died because of this stupid war.

remind me again - who was it who was “highly agitated and angry”?

Thanks Doug at 6:47.

“A primary is not a general election and you can’t wage one as if it were.”
I agree with you Alice, but HoJo wrecked the Primary with his “Plan B.” HoJo only has to beat Ned once. Ned has to beat HoJo twice.

Nora @ 30–

Right on, sister. Plus, tell Ned to nix those wide-collar shirts. They make him look like a dork. In my humble IMHO, of course.

Mickey @ 27 - The action on the ground is what is important. That is going to be difficult after that shocking incident of that driver running into Lamont supporters. I have never heard of anything like that, not even in a general election. That will make it all the more difficult for Lamont supporters to maintain some sort of personal firendship with Lieberman supporters during the primary. It can be done, I was a Miller supporter in the recent Virginia primary and several Webb supporters made it a point to reach out to me and were nice to me during the primary. I am a yellow dog Democrat and would always support a primary winner, but their acts of personal friendship made it much easier to do so.

The Greenwich Time had a roundup of the “conventional wisdom” from papers around the state. Pretty much a mixed bag.

http://www.greenwichtime.com/s.....-headlines

As much as I hope Ned can pull it out, not sure he will be able to do it. Incumbency and status quo have some pretty strong inertia.

This week, Lieberman did more to wreck his chances and help Ned Lamont than anyone could have imagined.

Liberman’s petulant, entitled betrayal of the Democratic Party reveals him for what he is — a petty, self important little man, who’s time on the public stage is drawing to a close.

Give it up, Joe — when Ned Lamont humiliates you in the August primary, salvage your dignity by endorsing Ned Lamont as the next Senator from Connecticut.

It will happen, one way or the other — the only question is, how much damage will Joe Lieberman do along the way?

Alice Marshall — he pays people to “act” as volunteers. What would you have me call them?

Alice Marshall — he pays people to “act” as volunteers. What would you have me call them?

Paid volunteers! No, wait…

Employees? Staffers? Operatives?

Ned has to beat HoJo twice.

And it will be much easier to do so if Ned can hold the Democratic establishment with him on the grounds that he won the nomination. Small acts of personal kindess towards Lieberman supporters now will pay off bigtime in terms of support in the general.

Leiberman will find it is difficult to run for statewide office if you have to build your organization from scratch.

Just EPU’d (or nearly):

Jane, any late word on the injuries to Ned’s staffers today at Sailfest?

Hold onto your hat for this OT from NYT:

July 9, 2006

Ally Told Bush Project Secrecy Might Be Illegal
By ERIC LICHTBLAU and SCOTT SHANE

WASHINGTON, July 8 — In a sharply worded letter to President Bush in May, an important Congressional ally charged that the administration might have violated the law by failing to inform Congress of some secret intelligence programs and risked losing Republican support on national security matters.

The letter from Representative Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, did not specify the intelligence activities that he believed had been hidden from Congress.

But Mr. Hoekstra, who was briefed on and supported the National Security Agency’s domestic surveillance program and the Treasury Department’s tracking of international banking transactions, clearly was referring to programs that have not been publicly revealed.

. . .

Emphases mine. In full here, with link to pdf of the letter.

Something has now got Hoekstra and Heather Wilson appalled enough to go to NYT with it. We shudder to think . . .

#44, Ms. Alice Marshall: who are you? Are you a member of the Lamont campaign? I’m just trying to figure out how you fit in the picture.

Ghostman

Great Post by Steve Gilliard — excerpt below

http://stevegilliard.blogspot......g-joe.html

The Beltway crowd is shocked that real people might want to get rid of one of their favorite housepets, therefore they have to be fringe leftists demanding a loyalty test. Instead of disgusted at the way he only attacks fellow Democrats and makes nice with Republicans who’s values he supposedly doesn’t share. People outside Washington aren’t stupid they know when they’re being sold out. Lieberman does things to get the support of the Beltway in crowd, who are slaves to power. And then he comes home and he’s got problems.

One thing, I think if he runs independent, he’s gonna lose. In fact, he’s gonna be pressed to drop out of the race. I don’t think the local papers are going to take kindly to electoral second chances. Now that he’s vunerable and running scared, they are gonna jump all over him.

Among the things that people haven’t reported outside of Connecticut, is that he couldn’t even hold the regulars in the convention. Which is a big sign of trouble. And is not war related. But remember, the loyal Democratic voters are now fringe voters looking to have a vote on the war and led by outsiders.

The same people who sent Lieberman back to Congress three times are now crazed and need to be saved from themselves by him and two chances to vote for him. Because they’re too stupid to vote for him in a primary, after sending him to the Senate three times.

I’ve never seen a more frightened successful experienced politician not facing indictment in my life. He’s totally lost his nerve. He’s insulting the voters who sent him to Washington.

Alice Marshall — he pays people to “act” as volunteers. What would you have me call them?

You know this for a fact? Is it in his FEC filings? I ask because it was routinely asserted that Harris Miller had no volunteers and that I was a paid shill. In fact like all other candidates Harris Miller had plenty of volunteers and I was one of them. All these false allegations had a very bad effect and the resulting ill will continues to linger. We will come about well enough, but it is best to avoid that sort of tension.

So, if they are paid you call them campaign staff, but be certain you are correct, look at the FEC filing, don’t go on popular report or rumor. Volunteers do not like to have their efforts disrespected.

Ghostman: Alice has been with us constructively since at least Oct. 19 of last year …

Eli @ 7
I’m amazed how much he sounds like the dad from ALF.

Perhaps he sound more like ALF?
ALF = Arrogant Little F**k*r

: “Accident at Sailfest in New London, 27 injured”

Ghostman - I am an active Virginia Democrat, I have a special interest in this race because I would love to see Leiberman go down and becuase Maura is a personal friend of mine.

stagehands,

please close link at 40. Safari is crippled.

Thanx

Headline at rawstory:

NYT Brooks: Many dems fear, despise netroots

“Two Sundays after taking on the founder of Daily Kos, David Brooks, a conservative columnist for The New York Times, lashes out at the netroots and many on the left for participating in a “liberal inquisition” of Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman, RAW STORY has found.

Brooks’ latest column set for Sunday’s Times also suggests that many Democrats silenty fear and “despise” the netroots movement.”

(It’s all Markos’ fault! These people are hilarious! Wingnut operatives supposedly having the inside track on democrats - that’s sooooo believble! And David Brooks is sooo credible! No agenda there, right, Dave? LOL!)

Anne, thanks so much for that update on your visit today — I’ve been wondering how it was going. Two other similar situations are affecting friends of mine here, and it just makes the misery so much worse. I’m very sorry. Truly incredible how selfish some old buzzards can be. Maybe his nasty heart will pull a Ken Lay on him.

Alice Marsall 48 — I’m so sorry I won’t be able to establish it to your satisfaction with FEC filings. I took them at their word when they told me so.

Any other questions?

Hope that helps close the link.

“how many of your kids are serving in Iraq, Mrs. Lieberman?”

We could take back our nation with nothing but this mantra, in the faces of these war pimps 24/7.

I thought I heard on AA earlier today that Boxer was in CT today, and that details were posted at DU. I’ve looked, but I can never find what I’m after over there.

At the risk of being cut in bits and pieces, I’ve given some thought to Boxer going to CN and I’m not going to put her down for being loyal to a friend. She has worked with him for over 10 years. We really have no idea what their personal relationship is, and if they are friend then I have to admire her for standing by him, in what must be a very disheartening place.

OK, I’m ducking…

Ghostman

Click on Alice Marshall’s name on one of your posts.

JC 57,

still open. Fortunately Firefox still works.

I mean on one of her posts.

Well, Ms. marshall: your plan of attack, which essentially is to retreat, is NO plan of attack. It is the path of the coward.

I’ll withhold further strong comment based on the information relayed by wilson. Wilson and I are “kinda different” (chuckle)…but he’s pretty doggone smart.

Ghostman

I mean on one of her posts.

Do not attempt to click on Alice herself.

Don’t click here. Did that help?

Um, Ghostman, I think Alice’s “plan of attack” is to remember that even Lieberman Democrats A) Are ultimately on the same side (I have a *very* hard time remembering or even believing this…), and B) Will be needed in November.

I can’t get Safari to open — what comment # is the open tag in?

[ Stagehand: it’s fixed ! ]

kewalo 60, i love you but hurl rotten vegetables at you as requested.

Jane, Twisted Martini at 7:11 (#40)

David Brooks is a pathetic tool. Steve Gilliard said it best-”never take advice from your opponents.” Or in this case, enemies. The Times would have to pay me to read his shitty column.

Jane, been to Rein’s deli in Vernon yet? Get yer deli on…mmmm, pastrami!

I took them at their word when they told me so.

My mistake, I stand corrected. I had naively assumed that you were going on popular report, which can be mistaken. But if that is how they characterized themselves, well, they must be satisfied with it.

Really and truly, an 18 year veteran should be able to recruit actual volunteers. That is just sad. And makes me think he can’t possibly run as an independent.

To sum up or riff on a little more succinctly: Polarization and hostility is to be expected in Rep-Dem general elections, because both sides are pretty much mortal enemies at this point, at least at the grassroots level.

In primary elections, the sides should be considered friends and allies with a difference of opinion, but with similar ultimate goals.

Ahh,

mucho better, link closed.

On topic,

HoJo is making his own decisions on how to play this hand. For whatever reasons, they are turning out to be bad decisions for him. It’s not that we came out of the woodwork in the past couple of weeks, Ned has been popular in the blog world for quite a while. In the past several years, HoJo has done one thing after another to piss off the base. He is not used to reaping what he sows. Hence, WATB performance.

So sad.

I think I posted this EPU’d but for single-women GOTV, I think a Howard Dean-style handwritten letter campaign may be very effective, especially from in-state women. I’m out-of-state and male but would be willing to give some organizational help to such an effort. I wrote several such letters for Dean and it felt very satisfying, and the letters (collectively–dunno about my individual ones) definitely had an impact.

This is a sad time for friends of Joe Lieberman — but politics ain’t bean bag, and sometimes your friends get tossed to the wolves; sometimes your friends get old and slow and out of touch, and are culled from the herd.

Here is a clue for the friends of Joe Lieberman — get used to it. This is they way the world works, and Joe is out of touch and out of time.

The nimble among you should read the handwriting on the wall; the less nimble, look to your taxpayer guaranteed pensions.

Alice, I’m not from CT, but I think HoJo does very serious damage in much the same way Schumer does, from a relatively very blue state base. When HoJo caves on contraception for rape victims and his Alito vote which was so completely gratuitous, it becomes fair to ask in what sense he is a Dem. I think the perception is that he’s trading on his legacy panache, and Bush sponsored photo-ops to lull CT Democrats into missing these really important facts. IMO, HoJo actually does more damage than an openly conservative Republican.

Sorry if I broke the comments. I’ll stare at naked pictures of Ann Coulter as my punishment.

IT BURNS!

Ghostman, I really wish you wouldn’t feel so free to hurl the word “coward” around at people like Alice, who simply have different tactical ideas than yours. ‘Tain’t good, m’man.

Well, Ms. marshall: your plan of attack, which essentially is to retreat, is NO plan of attack. It is the path of the coward.

I’ll withhold further strong comment based on the information relayed by wilson. Wilson and I are “kinda different” (chuckle)…but he’s pretty doggone smart.

Huh? I don’t get any of this. I am just making comments on a blog. I am trying to give CT Democrats the benefit of my experience in the recent VA primary. All I want is for Democrats to win, CT, VA, everywhere. That is all. I really don’t have any other motive. If you look at my blog you will see that local politics is my passion.

RevDeb @ 7:32 pm (#74) - I hate to try to psych out people, but I really think Lieberman is disconnected from what his constituents are going through. I think you have to be seriously divorced from reality not to question the idea of staying in Iraq, and that thing that prompted the “Rape Gurney Joe” nickname just strikes me as extremely unsympathetic.

Ghostman, I really wish you wouldn’t feel so free to hurl the word “coward” around at people like Alice, who simply have different tactical ideas than yours. ‘Tain’t good, m’man.

Or say that Boxer is helping Joe out because they’re both Jews…

if Lieberman’s friends are true, sincere friends, they’ll stick with him even after he loses the Election. Otherwise they are leeches who are just using an incumbent Senator …

Doug Yeager - Hooray for You and glad you dropped in on FDL. Rest assured we Californians are emailing, faxing and phoning Senator Boxer to stay out of the way of the good people of Connecticut. Not sure yet if she even has a clue how appalled so many of us are at her “pledge” to come there and support loathsome Joe Lieberman.

She ought to stay in State and bitch-slap our State Democratic leadership for their cozy relationship with AT&T and Pebble Beach Company and the tens of thousands of dollars they take back to Sacramento every Spring from inside the gates of the golf kingdom within the endangered Del Monte Forest.

Or at the very least use her Senatorial leadership skills and influence to reverse the desecration visted the other night by the Monterey City Council approving a 14 million dollar office building (35,000 square foot) on a National Historic site (inside Old Monterey National Historic Landmark District) to house 63 city employees.

A citizen (referendum) signature drive is underway but time is short for stunned voters of Monterey to meet an August deadline.

Kewalo at 7:26 p.m.

“I’ve given some thought to Boxer going to CN and I’m not going to put her down for being loyal to a friend.”

What kind of friend would put Barbara (or any of her Democratic Senate collegues)in the kind of bind that Leaverman appears to have put her in? Prior to announcing his planned post-primary I’ll Do It My Way bailout from the Democratic Party, No Mojo Joe should have contacted prominent people who had pledged to support him and released them from their commitments. That would have been the decent thing to do. As it is, I think they would be entitled to say, Hold on, you’ve changed the rules, all bets are off.

Alice been around a long time doing good shit

lotus @ 7:36 pm (#79) Agreed. Alice Marshall’s just asking questions and trying to help.

Alice been around a long time doing good shit

And Ghostman’s been around a short time stirring up shit…

Time Out Folks — no one is a troll, but there is a wee bit of testiness in the thread. Best to let it go, and focus on the topic at hand — how can we help Ned Lamont clean out the Lieberman Stables?

Alice Marshall 72 — I believe Lieberman actually has volunteers, I’m not saying they all are paid. But I understand that it’s common on political campaigns to hire people of color to “fill out the crowd,” and when I asked around at the press conference, that was confirmed. So yes, your point is well taken and I don’t mean to dismiss his genuine supporters, I know he has them. But the crew of young kids who are always there holding signs whenever there are going to be cameras appears at the very least to have paid people amongst them.

well, now we know that Joe’s Catholic buddy is whining about polls showing the majority of Connecticut’s Jews aren’t ’sticking together’ with their famously-coreligionist, Holy Joe… Babs has never worn her Torah on her sleeve either …

“I’ve been racking my brains recently trying to figure out who Lieberman reminds me of.”

I’ve been wondering that too. I have a vague recollection of a cartoon character that I watched as a kid — long ago and far away. I just can’t put a finger on it. It was somebody with a whiney, sniveling, cowardly yet pompous delivery from high in the throat.

Kewalo 7:26 pm - As a constituent and supporter of Boxer, my problem is not so much that she’s campaigning for him before the primary, but that she won’t rule out supporting him even if Lamont wins.

I’ve been wondering that too. I have a vague recollection of a cartoon character that I watched as a kid — long ago and far away. I just can’t put a finger on it. It was somebody with a whiney, sniveling, cowardly yet pompous delivery from high in the throat.

Droopy Dog?

Eli –

let. it. go. . . .

Cujo, 81
agree, cosmic disconnect on his part. Perhaps running 2nd on the ticket in 2000 went to his head and gave him a sense of a larger importance than he really deserves. I don’t know.

The reality is that he has cavalierly taken positions that have cost people their lives. He has been more concerned with his precious notion of bipartisanship in a world where there is only the bully and the bullied. He is totally out of touch with reality.

Who did Joe Lieberman remind me of after watching last Thursday’s debate?

Crocker Jarmon (after Keith Olberman jogged my memory).

Remember that GREAT movie The Candidate? Robert Redford was the inexperienced upstart Bill McKay who takes on the entrenched out-of-touch incumbent Crocker Jarmon (played to perfection by Don Porter).

The undergod McKay pulls the upset and upon being given the news that he won he responds with that great last line: What do we do now? (haha)

Norm

It’s OK Sharkbabe, I’m used to being on the end of brickbats. LOL

I just know I have been loyal to old friends just because we had history. Obviously by now she knows that what she is doing is unpopular, so as much as we would like all the critters to do what we think is right. She’s doing what she thinks is right.

Can’t Boxer maintain a friendship with Joe and still honorably back-off from actively campaigning for him now that he’s laid his cards on the table (Plan B).

He’s put her in a terribly awkward position, not honoring the party, essentially.

No one is asking her to campaign against him, although that would be good too.

Can’t Boxer maintain a friendship with Joe and still honorably back-off from actively campaigning for him now that he’s laid his cards on the table (Plan B).

He’s put her in a terribly awkward position, not honoring the party, essentially.

No one is asking her to campaign against him, although that would be good too.

At the very least, she could tell Joe that she’ll support him in the primary, but *not* after. Or better yet, that she would only support him in the primary if he pledged to abide by it, but clearly that didn’t happen.

Eli #43: the word you’re looking for is “Actors.”

Alice #44: The HoJo campaign is paying (mostly young) people to show up at events and act like they’re enthusiastic volunteers. It’s dishonest for Joe and his campaign to pretend that those people are ACTUALLY volunteers, in the “unpaid-volunteer” sense of the word, and that’s what Jane wants to point out.

In contrast, the Lamont campaign has a large number of people who are willing to donate their own time and effort to do anything they can to help Ned win office. They don’t have to hire people to show up, because people show up out of genuine unsolicited enthusiasm.

If Joe is using DSCC campaign money to pay people (actors, if you like) to pretend they’re enthusiastic about another six years of Mess’o'potamia, those actors will pretend to like Ned just as much after Lamont wins the primary if Ned pays them to do it. But he won’t have to, because Ned actually HAS people who are genuinely enthusiastic about him and his ideas, so he doesn’t need to pay people to get the same turnout.

(snark on…)Hmmm, maybe Joe really IS creating jobs in CT…

when I asked around at the press conference, that was confirmed.

Yes, your early comment clarified this for me. In viginia the “photo op Wall paper” as it is known, is amatuer. The candidate just calls his manager, who calls around among volunteers, and a nice assortment of citizens show up for press events. It seems in CT there is a little money that goes with these events. Not the custom down here. Paid work is reserved for the more sloggy work, such as translations and voter registration and so forth. Smiling for the camera is stricly volunteer.

Curious Jim 92

Eddie Haskell?

Fignaz @ 7: I’m not normally such a dork, but I figured someone had to do it…

Joe has put Babs in a difficult spot and both of them know it. I’m sure the campaign visit was organized weeks ago — now Holy Joe does his Cut’n Run act on the Democratic Party.

Fine way to treat a lady !

neurophius at 85 laid out my thoughts already. I’m too slow. :)