
I see that Digby and I were writing about the same article in the WaPo today (and as usual, Digby's post is better). Digby also adds this bit from a Los Angeles Times article on Dubya's popularity:
The survey's results suggested that an old challenge — the gender gap — could pose a renewed threat to the Republican hold on Congress. Although men split about evenly when asked which party they planned to back for Congress in November, women preferred Democrats by nearly 2 to 1.
Doubts about Iraq appeared to be a powerful contributor to that trend. In the survey, women were much less likely than men to say the war had been worth the cost.
"As far as the war goes, we never should have gone in there without United Nations backing," said respondent Kathy Bocklage, a registered Republican from Wayland, N.Y., who said she was planning to support Democrats this fall. "Why [Bush] thought the U.S. could finance this alone — it's ludicrous."
However, beneath the large Democrat lead on the November ballot test, the poll offered potential warnings for the party.
On a variety of questions — including satisfaction with Bush's handling of terrorism and the likelihood of progress in Iraq — it showed modest but perceptible movement in the president's direction since the last Times/Bloomberg survey, in April. Also, the share of Americans who viewed the Democratic Party favorably declined.
I've said it before and I'm sure I'll have occasion to say it again -- the Democrats have a women problem. Everyone from Hillary to Evan Bayh on down in sporting Limbaugh-esque wood (read: unimpressive) to be the 2008 War President, but nobody is factoring in that all this codpiece swinging is looking extremely suspect to the distaff side of the electorate.
The Democrats already had a women problem -- in 2004, 20 million unmarried women did not vote. That was a group that favored John Kerry 2 to 1 and could have put him over the top. If there has been any significant GOTV effort by Democrats with regard to this group, I haven't seen any evidence.
Nobody should be surprised that the ladies are rolling their eyeballs and really don't want to involve themselves in this bullshit festival. It may sound like Grand Statesmanship and Global Strategies to others, but I'm reminded on this occasion of one of my favorite posts by the Rude Pundit. Because this is what it sounds like to us:
It was goddamn pathetic, like when an asshole gets in your face at a bar to fight you, and when you back down, he calls you a "tit-sucking mama's boy." Then, on the shameful car ride home, you think, "Yeah, I should have said, 'Tell your mama to keep her tits in her shirt'" before kicking yourself for the missed opportunity. The only thing more pathetic than your initial action would be to go up to the asshole the next time you see him and say it.
The "war on terra" language doesn't sound like some Peckenpah epic to us; more like Pee Wee Herman shreiking "I know you are but what am I?" A silly game played for, and by, a bunch of sissies with no self-awareness. And it would seem that this consciousness is spreading. Rather than play catch-up, it would be nice to see someone with the vision to get ahead of the curve, stop the dick-swinging nonsense and start talking to, and for, women.
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Well, for the dick swingers in the audience, what would you have us say?
Do you think that taking a position that we should withdraw immediately from Iraq would get us those 20 million votes?
If this isn’t a zero sum game, which positions would add to the bottom line, rather than just drop support in one area while picking up support in another?
and don’t just talk to them. Get them to the polling station! Seriously. It’s not brain surgery. Working women with children leave their homes early in the a.m. and have to get their kids out of daycare by 6:00 p.m. Then everyone is tired and whiney and hungry, and the polls close at 7 or 8.
I’ve said this so many times, I feel like I’m in a Kafka novel, but I’ll say it again: If Karl Rove can get people to the polls on church buses leaving from the churches, then why can’t our side get these women to the polls directly from the child care centers? (And feed their kids along the way.)
Christ almighty. It’s fucking GOTV people!!!
Do you hear me??????????????
We’re just one more Supreme away from losing Roe, should be one good line to argue.
I’d settle for backbone. As for Iraq, at least the dems are willing to debate the merits of any scenario. So let’s have the debate rather than the rubber stamps.
People want something/someone to vote FOR rather than vote against.
John Edwards.
in addition to GOTV, absentee ballot working is damn important. Get those votes nailed down ahead of Election Day !
they don’t count the absentee ballots unless the election is close.
The Democrats need to hold massive voter registration campaigns for women as they did for blacks in the sixties, and as lina says, make sure they get to the polls on election day. Poor women, with or without children, probably feel hopeless about voting. This is a grass-roots project in which I would be very willing to take part. Getting them to the polls is all important. Kerry supposedly registered all kinds of new voters, but they didn’t turn up.
After 2000, Rove figured out that 3 to 4 million conservative christians who were eligible to vote did not vote. He found a way to get them out to vote for you-know-who. Guess what? GWB won the 2004 popular vote by 3.5 million votes.
lina: that’s not true! absentees are indeed counted in Indiana (at least) — and if the election is going to be that close, then we need all the absentee votes we can get!
I’m pretty sure absentees are counted in most all states… is your state different?
Women Voices, Women Votes
http://www.wvwv.org/
This website has a lot of research information which could help candidates reach out and speak to THE largest voting group in America
OT - stopped in at the local sports bar for a beer and bite a little while ago… the NASCAR race was on the tv… guess who was out “enjoying” the race? None other than Shooter himself!
Somehow, he doesn’t strike me as a NASCAR fan…. I thought it rather odd he got about 7 minutes of face time (in the upper right hand corner), then I realized it was Fox Sports…
These guys ARE good at marketing!
This is but one pointed side effect of the thoughtless ‘let’s pretend to be more like Republicans so the voters will like us’ swill from democratic leaders (with their pandering lip service to paternalist claptrap…Honestly, did anyone with even the smallest progressive bone in their body think that we would still see the ‘battle of the sexes’ being refought in the 21st century with the losing side in charge, for f*ck’s sake?)…More women voices being seriously considered means more women votes.
Enough with the faux macho clown act… Or it’s Lysistrata time.
Well,
Some of us fellas are sorta tired of it too. I know it’s easy to assume, with overwhelming evidence, that an extra chromosome inhibits critical thought. I see these people for what they are–hucksters. These carney-barkers, Mid-South Wrassling announcers and used car pitch men have overtaken the halls of power. And the recent SCOTUS decision removes any doubt they lack skills of governance.
Of the 20 million single women who did not vote, I wonder what the economic conditions are they are coping with? Do they have kids? Struggling to pay a light bill or “put food on the family” leaves little time for the weary to worry about politics. It’s way down on the priority list. We won’t reach them any other way than neighborly talks. I know, it’s hokey, but it’s working in my neighborhood. These are the very people who deserve our help. Let’s reach out to them.
If absentee ballots are not counted, why are they always the first to be recorded on election night? (At least they are here in CA.)
OT - Cruisin’ over in freeperville when I came across this hit piece on Markos in today’s Sunday Times. (Sorry if already mentioned.)
A large segment can be reached with refundable targeted tax credits.
Lina: I’m a minority inspector of elections for my voting district, and I can tell you that’s untrue! In PA, all absentee ballots are counted, and the official tally sheet has to be turned in to the county election bureau, carrying the signatures of the district officials (judge, majority inspector and minority inspector.)
JWR: Same here in PA. Absentee ballots are tallied before we break the seal on the ballot box (or the machines).
I was pleased when Larry King had the Distaff Senate Dems on — all nine of them. Most did well; clearly, there’d been an agreement about camera and question time beforehand. Hillary was not allowed to be a hog.
Remember when Barbara Boxer was in the House during the Clarence Thomas hearings and led the charge across the way with other Distaff House Dems? I suggest we brainstorm another “stunt” like that. I’ll say it again: anything Frist calls a “stunt” is something TradMed pays attention to and makes the GOP look bad.
So, what should we ask our Distaff Dems to do? That is, while we’re out registering women, talking up war opposition, and blogging about Bush criminality.
Cool– I learned a new word: distaff
I was able to deduce from context that it probably referred to women, and I thought maybe it referred to the fact that women don’t have a “staff”.
OK, whatever. Anyway it does mean women’s concerns, or women considered as a group.
Jane,
I take the point of your post however, we do need strong voices for domestic policy. Schools, daycare, healthcare, it would let me hold up a specific light of hope to the ones I’m encouraging to vote.
JWR: if you mean the Brooks hit piece from last Sunday’s Times, believe me, we have thoroughly laughed it out of court — this squadron of rabid lambs dive-bombed him, it wasn’t with dripping venom, but with peals of laughter and sarcasm …
oh … that other Times from the other side of the pond … that proud mouthpiece of the British Conservative Party … whatta kerfuffle in a teapot! It went the same way as the English soccer team in Germany …
I’ve been musing about how to engage the 20-somethings in the 60’s way. Somehow, these days, it’s not ‘cool’ to do politics.
So there’s this huge pool of non-voters, kids, unmarried women, probably minorities. I’m sure they actually hold the political power in the coming elections if they would simply vote. So who has a plan to get them fired up?
I doubt that the problem is who they’d vote for - we’d get most of those votes. Republicans don’t have “rhythm.” The problem is in engaging them to vote, period.
Oilfieldguy — I see these people for what they are — hucksters. These carney-barkers, Mid-South Wrassling announcers and used car pitch men have overtaken the halls of power.
If there’s ever been a better description of Tom DeLay, I haven’t seen it.
We won’t reach them any other way than neighborly talks. I know, it’s hokey, but it’s working in my neighborhood. These are the very people who deserve our help. Let’s reach out to them.
Absolutely. Ana Marie Cox’s privileged, airhead bullshit notwithstanding (”I’ve got mine…what’s all the fuss about?”), poor women are in a real bind. I’ve thought a lot about the “neighborly talks” you told me about when we had coffee, that’s a very powerful model and I’d like to find a way to implement it (because it sure doesn’t look like anyone else is).
Question for all–do you know when is the deadline for registering people to vote in your state?
Monday morning, you can call and find out.
Take action. FIGHT BACK.
Personally, I have always favored web sites authored by women and i prefer working with women at work mainly because women “understand the heart”. And really, don’t people vote with their heart? My guess is that when it comes time to vote, people will remember most how it felt in the their hearts to see Cindy Sheehan talk about her lost son, they will remember how they felt when they saw the dead in a wheelchair at the Convention Center stuffed in a corner. Just the same as people felt after 9/11…
To me, it is really all about the heart. I hope the democrats can find a way to focus on our hearts and how we feel - what most women i know do as easily as breathing. If they do, I think they will win big. We all will win big.
… all this codpiece swinging is looking extremely suspect to the distaff side of the electorate.
As I’ve said before and I’m sure will have the occasion to say again, the Democrats need to get enough of a clue to break the Republican frame of toughness and make the elections about common sense versus irresponsibility. (I need to use this long weekend to write the epic post I’ve had in my head for ages about the Democratic “language of realignment.”)
That would only help with the message problem, though. What can be done about the GOTV problem — how do we reach those unmarried women and motivate them to show up on Election Day?
Are posters reminding them that their right to control their bodies currently rests on one 87-year-old Supreme Court justice enough?
actually the term distaff comes from a tool used in spinning, something that only chicks do … Jane must have put her spinning wheel in the trunk of her car …
Mickey,
I’m working my neighborhood, conducting a “voter participation drive.” I don’t register people or campaign for a party or candidate. I just point out the serious problems and my own concern and invite them to participate by voting. Real low key stuff. But, I’m a master at the soft sell.
TeddySF@22 — … anything Frist calls a “stunt” is something TradMed pays attention to and makes the GOP look bad.
This is so true. More stunts, please.
JWR - thanks for the London Times heads up - I’ll hit them up for a retraction later tonight on behalf of YKOS … I am so tired of this! If they would only check with YKOS they would know that it was *not* “Markos’s own blogger convention” … damn fools!
they do work in every possible foolishness … and little miss wonkette pisses me off!
What’s the point of this article? That the Democratic Party needs to incorporate more womens issues into its platform? Or that the Democratic Party needs to do a better job of conveying its issues to potential women voters? Or that the Democratic Party needs to focus on getting women to the polls?
Ghostman
Two thoughts about Cox, based on the TomT link Jane provided:
1. You know she’s made an appointment for the pinky-toe surgery.
2. Disparaging her own activism on behalf of Anita Hill (”something else I’d just as well forget, actually”) marks her as a cocktail-wienie-seeker extraordinaire.
*ilson - Yes, I should’ve specified the London Sunday Times. And I was here for all the fun with Bobo. (I may not comment often, but I’m always watchin’ y’all. ;-)
Jane,
Thank you. I can’t do much, and my contributions are limited to time and shoeleather. I’m doing pretty good, others–not so much so I throw in where I can.
Go, siun!
siun - You’re welcome! Bad as freeperville is, they do tend to stay on top of these things. Heck, I’ve even seen them beat Atrios a time or two in getting links up.
Ghostman @ 35 — Yes.
Teddy - we’re gotten both corrections we’ve demanded so far and I swear it really helps that they know the netroots would just love to make an issue of it if they don’t! We should be proud of that!
NYT
Salon
and now
Times of London …
What Swopa says at 6:52 pm –
It’s that simple.
Murtha is calling bullshit on the Codpiece Swingin’ GOoPers — why don’t the other Democrats follow his lead, instead of their monkey-see-monkey-swing-codpiece imitation of Bush?
don’t dis the staff
Swopa 30 — absolutely, the Republican “frame of toughness” looks silly to a lot of people, not just women. It’s just a lot of talk, with nothing actually tough or pragmatic about it at all. Loads of drama, big show, no results.
I think single moms and other women are not just interested in checkbook issues - they may not have time or energy leftover for politics per se but they know that their kids are in line for shipment to Iraq and that makes a big impression.
Ghostman — what Swopa said.
TeddySF@36 — Thanks for catching that “something else I’d just as well forget, actually” line.
I’d always thought that her current shtick was a symbolic plea for forgiveness for having been perceived as a liberal. Now I know that it’s not even symbolic.
siun! I’m shocked at you making the assertion that single moms aren’t interested in checkbook issues! Single moms are so damn hassled by precisely those issues: how to pay for daycare — how to deal with medical bills (insurance?) — finding decent housing with good schools — etc
I liked the line about drowning out the clinking cosmo glasses. Is it okay that I just don’t get her?
Jane,
Who speaks with that voice? Maybe Ted Kennedy? Maybe Ned Lamont in a much more middle-class suburban way. I know what you mean, but I don’t know who out there is likely to step up. Isn’t it just a message that people ae valued, children are valued, that jobs that pay well and schools that teach well are important. Isn’t the woman voter demographic (God how I hate the way that sounds) actually an old-fashioner progressive/populist group: job equity, physical security, good education and a better future for their kids.
Women don’t want to be beat either literally at home or figuratively at the job, they don’t want their daughters to be assaulted or harrassed, they don’t want their sons to be lured away by promises of money and drugs, and they don’t want anyone they know or love to die a meaningless death on behalf of someone else’s bad judgment.
But then again, who does?
Oh and Tom Tomorrow gets “line of the day” for this one:
I hear that TRex may have gotten his hands on the Ana Marie Cox Blackout Diaries, which include a first draft of the review. I expect we may hear more about this in the first of the week.
“…20 million unmarried women did not vote”. Now we’re getting down to it. Any woman who does not make a gazillion dollars a year, and casts her vote the Republican way; votes against herself. Same holds true for men. I think.
Hi there,
Just touching base with my gang befor eI try to sleep (somehow I never sleep on Saturday nights during work weekend). I couldn’t agree more; I talk sometimes with the women I work with and I get so frustrated at how “uncurious” and dissociated they seem from the reasons for the things they are always bitching about- gas prices, child care needs, health care costs rising, frustration at how little our patients’ health care dollar buys. How many times have you heard someone say “they” should change that or “they” shouldn’t be able to do that. Always the unidentified “they”. I want a banner that says,”Don’t vote? Don’t complain.” That’s how I registered to vote, when I was challenged one day when I was 20, moaning about something the mayor was up to. A friend said, ” Did you vote?” and I had to admit I hadn’t. He was right and I registered soon after that.
I like Oilfield Guy’s notion of just talking to people, it opens up the discussion of whether they did or didn’t vote. But sometimes when I move a conversation into politics, people just move away or change the subject effectively. It’s incredibly frustrating to have all this knowledge and understanding without being able to use it to motivate others. I suspect it is partly scandal fatigue, or conditioning that makes some people unwilling to dive into the pool of politics right now. I truly think they’d feel better if they could express their concerns and get some answere, but part of it is that they feel powerless and insignificant in the face of the DC machine. And I think this is particularly true for women in many ways; so many women are still socialized not to make noise and to keep everyone happy. Can’t do that and be a political animal; I think they see it as all or nothing. I know I did before I worked in AIDS and learned that with a little knowledge, there is a LOT of power.
But I try to be an example, in spite of my personal frustration at my own limits, because if I can get one person to just think about getting active, it’s worth the energy.
A little rant, scuse me.
Well, ok.
1. issues: the only thing I’ve learned about issues/women is to promote child care for working moms. The Democratic Party seems to be fine on other womens issues?
2. communication: hell, I don’t know. Send people down to the Women’s Hair Salon? Maybe ads should be focused on women’s TV….Oprah, that one channel….Oxygen?….TV places where women hang out watching.
3. Polls: hmmm. I suspect that working women will be scattered geographically and have varying shift/work schedules. Just lining up buses may not get it done. I’ll go for…absentee voting. Working women can do that more easily, and the Democrats ought to show them how.
Ghostman
“We’re just one more Supreme away from losing Roe, should be one good line to argue.”
I think we’re one Supreme away from losing the whole cockadoodie Constitution. I want to drive to DC and ask Robert Byrd what he thinks about Mrs A-Lee-ToZe tears now. But back on topic…
…I agree with what Jane says about a Dem get out the vote effort. There’s been a lot of blogging lately about the Dems’ lack of GOTV, of grass roots contact-building, of local networking. Part of it is, I think, the GOoPers huge money advantage–just look at the College Republicans vs College Dems; it’s like a Fortune 500 corporation compared to a national softball league. But I do think Dems have to copy the Repubs more explicitly. If they build a better organization, and get more votes, i think more cash will follow, and hopefully spark a positive upward spiral. I know I’d support such an effort, especially if they stop acting so tribal and defensive around certain candidates….
I think I’m going to change the photo to make the title reference more explicit.
*ilson, I think siun means “just” checkbook issues, FWIW
zennurse: you are probably right coz Siun is usually so good politically. The old Bread and Roses argument !
Jane @ 57 — I kinda liked the female_yawn.jpg myself.
Actually — and please forgive me for being too lazy to scroll upthread to see who first brought this up — but with busy working moms, the prospect of venturing out in the cold and dark of November probably with kids in tow, is not appealing.
Helping working moms request to vote by absentee ballot might get women who would otherwise not vote, to cast their ballots.
Here is information for those who live in Washington State from the Secretary of State’s Office:
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Voting by Absentee Ballot
Any registered voter may vote by absentee ballot. You do not need to be ill or “absent” to be an absentee voter.
You may request an absentee ballot as early as 90 days before an election. (No absentee ballots are issued on election day except to a voter who is a resident of a health care facility). The request for an absentee ballot must be made to your county auditor or elections department (not to the Secretary of State).
NOTE: Absentee ballots must be signed and postmarked or delivered to the county election officer on or before election day.
Requesting an Absentee Ballot
One-time absentee ballot requests may be made either in person, by phone, fax, electronically or by mail. Contact your County Auditor to request an absentee ballot.
Please keep in mind that absentee ballots must be signed and postmarked or delivered to the county election officer on or before election day.
Washington Secretary of State
520 Union Ave SE
PO BOX 40229, OLYMPIA WA 98504-0229
(360) 902-4180
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So, in Washington, it looks like the first week in August is the cut-off to arrange voting by abentee ballot.
Oklahoma kiddo,
Lot’s of folks vote against their economic self-interest. They are known as “value voters.” Corporate conservatives use christian conservatives to get votes to further their agenda, much like we use a station wagon to get groceries from the store. They preach protection from the assault on the family by the homosexual agenda (which usually begins at Starbucks around nine-ish)but actually deliver deregulation, union busting and job exportation.
“Send people down to the Women’s Hair Salon? “
Ghostman, this is actually a great model, although I wonder if you will be accused of stereotyping. It is a model I used as a health educator around signing uninsured women up for free mammograms and pap smears through my program. One neat thing about it is that in non-English speaking populations, lots of the hairdressers are younger and bilingual, so they help with translation if needed. It is also a place where women talk to strangers and neighbors they may not see that often about whatever conversations are going on. Hairdressers are very aware of many of the things that concern women they work for, right down to a particular neighborhood.
I just saw a bit of Brian Setzer entertaining the Bushies and the Japanese PM on C-Span. Its almost enough for me to take Stray Cats off my playlist.
Over the past 20 years I’ve had the opportunity to get to know a lot of working class women that I think we’re talking about. For 10 years I managed fast food restaurants and for the past 9 years I’ve been teaching many of the same demographic at a small community college.
From my experience the vast majority have zero knowledge about and even less interest in politics. In my classes I try my best to let them know why it matters to them that they participate in the process, but I don’t think most of them ever will.
Although many of them instinctively know that the government is not doing much to help with the issues they are most concerned about, like a living wage and child care, they just don’t believe that their vote will make a difference. And another thing, I think most of them are intimidated by the process of voting and more often than not they don’t think they know enough about the candidates or the issues.
Okay photo fixed. I feel better.
immanentize — you’re right of course, we’re talking about a “progressive” message that could possibly enfranchise a lot of women. Yet the “tough on terra” crowd treat it like it has cooties.
I like “Wonkette” better when she was relatively obscure and still writing about getting trashed and fucked in the ass. Anybody else share that sentiment?
jcricket, that’s great information, and reminds me of something I was thinking about in the car between patients today. Why do we vote on the Tuesday in November? Is it law or tradition? It would be so much better to vote on a Saturday for the vast majority of America. I know there was an idea out there a while ago about making voting day a holiday, but the business crowd would never go for that because they might have to pay somebody. There was also an idea to pay folks to take time out of a workday, which wouldn’t fly for the same reason. Some people can’t vote if they work 12 hour shifts, or if they commute and have 14 hour days. If votes could be done on a Saturday, along with the laundry and errands, I bet it would help.
“Ghostman, this is actually a great model, although I wonder if you will be accused of stereotyping.”
Oh, I get accused of everything else, might as well add that one to the pile! (chuckle)…looks like maybe the Salon thing is a good grassroots item! Good. Only….maybe “I” better stay out of those places….something about a bull in a china shop…
Ghostman
OT: I’m beginning to dread the Fourth of July Holiday. I live in the inner city and fireworks go off continuously for days. I have four skitterish pitbulls and they are positive the house is being attacked by evil forces. This provokes loud barking and rushing around frantically. We all get worn out …
I’m surprised you remembered that conversation, Jane. You seem to be pretty busy and you talk to a lot of people. BTW, you remind me of my daughter.
*ilson - I know what you mean about the doggies… I live about 200 yards from where they are set off each year and it sounds like a mortar attack going off over my house… then there’s the kids with the firecrackers… we go far, far away to get away from it all…
not a good for dogs or dog lovers…
Zennurse, the Tuesday thing is traditional — in part to keep politicians from liquoring up the workers on a weekday in exchange for votes. of course now, it is a way to suppress votes pure and simple, which is the primary strategy of the Rovian Reich.
As an ex-British now US citizen old lefty lawyer freind of mine says, “If voting could change anything in this country, it would be illegal.”
I have my bright-hued hair done professionally at a downtown salon. The owner is an active Democrat and he prosletizes the clientele — in 2004 he gave out over 100 copies of my bootleg Fahrenheit911 DVDs…
When I worked in HIV prevention, there were always African-American hair salon owners stopping by to pick up our free condoms to distribute to their clients. When asked, they didn’t want a “fishbowl” we could supply, they didn’t want “deliveries,” they didn’t want brochures or signage. There was a powerful message being delivered at the hair salon, but I couldn’t help deliver it. But I could supply condoms.
And that brings me to a larger point. Ghostman, I owe you an apology. You write very clearly and candidly — probably how you speak, if I’m not mistaken. I was one of those early on who challenged you here, because I mis-read your candor — and your honest, frank inquiry — for what we here call “concern.” I was not alone.
But I can apologize only for myself, because I’ve decided you’re the real deal. Maybe you’ve fooled me. Maybe the others are right. But after this comment, where you’re in pretty treacherous water, commenting on “women’s issues” on a “women’s blog” to women, I’ve got to say this: I admire your candor and your plainspokenness. Keep it up.
Oregon’s got it right, IMO.
http://www.uhavavote.org/votin.....ymail.html
That pretty much takes care of all voting logistics for the voter.
I have never, ever liked Wonkette. She has always seemed to have no reason behind her paricular brand of nasty. Good snark requires ethics and intelligence. That’s why Jane is the Queen.
“And another thing, I think most of them are intimidated by the process of voting and more often than not they don’t think they know enough about the candidates or the issues.” badick
I wonder if they would feel more empowered if )they were encouraged by someone who was more of a peer
2) if their employer invited someone to come and register them at work and
3) if they could go to vote with a partner, like a buddy, or in a group.
Just thinking about strategies…
oilfieldguy 70 — no that was a very affecting conversation. You have a very well thought-out strategy for GOTV. It’s quite labor intensive but also, I would imagine, incredibly effective.
I’ve got katymine’s back upthread - check out the data and resources at AAUW on Women and Voting. I’m an AAUW member, would love to encourage every eligible woman (college student or grad) to consider becoming a member to support equity in education. As AAUW’s tagline says, “Because equity is still an issue.” (There’s even a near-nationwide voter registration form available at the linked site above.)
Voting is an equity issue, too. We women do not vote as often as we should, yet we are the people who by dint of our majority and by virtue of our needs are most affected by voting. We are the low hanging fruit that are left to fall when we are not encouraged to register to vote, to vote often, and to run for office.
zennurse - I gotta’ tell ya’, one of the most successful women we have in local office is a hairdresser; she networks with clients while doing their hair to get support on key issues, gleans resources and information, encourages others to run for office while she has their hair in her hands. IT WORKS. At what other time is a busy woman, working mothers in particular, captive and available to talk and to listen except that half hour or hour in her salon?
We are going to use this methodology, believe me. And we are also going to encourage blue-voting women to support blue-run salons so that we can try to use simple economics to help our own and to use this valuable time to the fullest potential.
We’re also brainstorming about childcare; how do we help single mothers or simply busy mothers with the issue of child care so they can vote? If you are good with kids and have the chops for it, please consider volunteering to help with this in your precinct.
zennurse 76 — thanks, and you said the magic word, “peer.” I don’t think they’re seeing themselves in those who are doing the talking.
More Christys, I say. She is superb.
I’ve been talking politics with my hair cutter for years. She has 2 young daughters and is as mad at what is going on as I am, though she doesn’t keep up with the reading, etc. that I do. We started by talking about West Wing many years ago and it went from there. When I was in before YKos, she told me that almost all of her customers are feeling the same way, some who never talked about politics are now cursing and yelling about Bush. I found that interesting. I may be in MA, but her place is in a former mill town, now exurb, as blue collar as they get around here.
Saw her this week (my hair is now not much longer than zen’s or BarbaraB’s) and she was eager to hear about the trip and what we are all doing. I usually try to talk loud enough with her so the others are able to listen in, which they do.
Every little bit helps.
Teddy SF
I’m either enlightened or stupid. I’ve never given any thought to this being a “women’s blog.” I popped in one day to learn something and I’m still learning. Quality discourse is genderless.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062906C.shtml
More grist for the mill.
Hardly stupid!
advance excerpts of tomorrows Frank Rich column with a damn hard smackdown of Rep. Pete King http://www.editorandpublisher......1002765284
Amen re: Oregon. We still use the punch cards in my town, and I’m embarrassed to say I don’t know if we have used machines in MA, but I have had to vote absentee twice when I was hospitalized and it’s so easy.
RevDeb, Have you ever thought about asking her to use her space for a little voter registration and information party? Maybe inviting a local candidate? Very empowering, used to to it with health care and invite Jean, a radiologist who would wear jeans and answer a million questions. Might make her feel better about her anger.
Jane, peer to peer is the best and most effective way I ever educated anyone, except older folks who seemed to need “the nurse said” or “the doctor said”, although I don’t know that that would translate to politics because of the trust issue. Big diff there, for certain.
Here’s an article about Fighting Dem John Laesch, who Howie got to chat with us earlier today:
http://www.chicagoreader.com/f.....ohnlaesch/
I have always found female-run entities (like FDL) much more civilized to work with …
Damn, I just lost a BIG comment. I hate that when it happens.
Getting katymine’s back upthread with a link to AAUW’s Woman-to-Woman Voter Turnout page. Includes a near-nationwide voter registration form. I’m an AAUW member, primarily because I believe in AAUW’s mission of equity in eduation. As the organization’s tagline says, “Because equity is still an issue.”
zennurse — I’m all over the salon approach; one of the most successful local elected officials we have is a salon operator. She networks with constituents, chats up women with resources and others with needs, encourages women to run for office. All right there in the salon while she’s got their hair in her hands. Where else would a busy working woman/mother have a half-hour or an hour to simply talk and listen? when else are they as captive as in the salon? We’re going to use this as a tool; it’s already working very well through the example I cited.
Voting is an equity issue; women are less likely to vote, but disproportionately affected by the outcome of any vote. We need to explain that to younger women, help them with child care and transportation issues so they can vote. If you are good with kids and/or have the ability to assist with transportation, please get in touch with your local precinct captain/delegate to volunteer to help with either come the primaries and the election.
Oilfieldguy, would you mind giving a few tips as to how you do your soft sell? I’m having such a hard time of it in my area (getting people to believe their vote counts is nigh impossible).
zen,
It’s not her space, other than her chair and work space, but the idea of getting her a pile of voter reg. cards is a great one. She’s on vacation this week, but I’ll do it after she gets back. I doubt that she would have any trouble asking her clients if they are registered to vote.
Side note, I found her through the neighbor across the street, who turns out to be a republican. We haven’t talked much since I had the ReDefeat Bush sign out on my front lawn. One of these days I’ll ask her if she’s still a fan of W.
testing…having problems posting…
Oilfieldguy…
That’s the point. And you make it well. They vote intangibles like values over money. And being against gay rights, for prayer in school, and flag burning legislation does not put bread on the table. Or pay for day care or whatever. But things like outsourcing, anti-labor ideology, rejection of lifting the minimum wage certainly detracts, or perhaps a better way of saying it, subtracts from the ability to bring home the bacon. And what’s particularly curious and galling, is do these values-voters really think the Bush crowd gives a damn about values? They’re being conned. Winning, wealth increase and power maintanence is what Bush is concerned with. I am thinking.
Oilfieldguy — you really should do a post about your “soft sell.” You touched on it a bit in the post you did for us but I’d love to see you elaborate.
I know why Digby and Jane posted the same article–Markos told them to.
Soft sell? Find common ground. And work from there. Perhaps.
Nuts. I think it’s a link I’m trying to embed that’s causing the problem. AAUW’s website has a Woman-to-Women Voter Turnout page under Issues Advocacy, includes a near-nationwide voter registration form.
Will follow up with a comment on salons in a moment…
WELL!!!!! As I live and breathe! Zennurse thinks I’ve hit on an idea…and good ole TeddySF extends an olive branch. Branch accepted, TSF. Folks, I really AM a life-long progressive Democrat. I may not be with you TOTALLY on a few issues…but I always express that as well. Am I “up front”….yeah. It’s just me.
I SELDOM ever speak of my background…for many reasons. What I’ve done as an adult I just keep to myself. But I’ll tell you this much, as to my childhood: I’m the son of a union organizer. I learned how to walk a picket line before I learned how to tie my shoes. United Steelworkers of America. And, growing up in Texas, I got called commie….mafioso…and so forth on damn near every school ground. So…perhaps I grew up a wee bit tough. And I’ll admit, as an adult, I can sometimes be “an obnoxious male”…chuckle. Oh well, ENOUGH about me.
Let’s get those women motivated and voting! I’ll pour a wee glass now, and thank you TSF and ZN for your thoughts.
Ghostman
*ilson46201–Thanks! I’m going right over to the NYT to read in its entirety. I can never go to bed on Saturday nights until I read Rich.
Also, I wish Redshift were here to tell him that I did e-mail both people he introduced me to in Richmond, and now we are Five!! Next Friday is our first f-t-f meeting, and it’s ROOTS to me. Finally! No Drinking Liberally chapter in Richmond, so we’ll be eating and talking liberally instead.
Rayne, check upthread, is it your 78 that you’re trying to post again?
Rayne: both of your comments got caught by the spam filter (dunno why) but they have been sprung and are flying free on this page now. both!
Well…one of those software glitches just vanished my comment. Oh well. TSF, thank you for your comments. Good of you to extend an olive branch….branch accepted! Peace.
Ghostman
That’s great, Rayne, she sounds like a gem. I also used the Tupperware party model, both for HIV education and for mammography, especially for non-english speakers, or folks who were going to “get it” more in their first language. It was Italian and Portuguese here, but others did it with Greek, Russian and of course, Spanish groups. I think candidates can only think in terms of fundraisers and people who may potentially work for thier campaigns. That seems to translate to higher income groups easy to access/ possibly already motivated folks. The challenge is to find the hard to find and reach the hard to reach, forgetting about what they can give besides their vote.
Thanks zennurse - The absentee ballot “project” has me a bit enthused. You know, if you vote by absentee ballot, it can be any week-day before the election as well as that infamous Tuesday.
The talk of the hair salon is the absentee ballot connector for my enthusiasm. My colorist has two active boys and she is fed up with Bush and the GOP. I bet she would love some assistance getting set up with an absentee ballot. She works too hard and too many hours to guarantee that she will have the stamina on voting day to bravely venture out to her voting precinct. There are gals at work (I work for a resort corporation and we don’t get regular holidays or convenient days off) who would love the help to register and get settled with the absentee method.
This could really develop into something civic-ly wonderful!!!
*ilson — there should already be 4 comments from me now on this site upthread…moderator(s) could kill one of the the first two since they have nearly identical contents.
Unlike the usual post that appears pink, these never showed up at all. They probably were held up because of the AAUW website link, although that does seem odd.
There need to be more women in technical professions like software, too, as well as in the voting booth…
I think part of it is that while these men - and a few of the women - are talking macho, and swingin’ it around, the women are doing. They are getting the kids to day care or school, fixing lunches, cleaning the house, running errands, working outside the home, thinking about what to have for dinner, helping with homework, taking the dog to the vet, making the doctors appointments, taking the kids to the orthodontist, going to the store, trying to fit in a workout, making play dates for the kids, taking them to rec league sports, volunteering with Girl Scouts or Cub Scouts, helping out in the classroom, baking cupcakes for the school party, and on and on and on.
Women’s minds work differently than men’s; they run on several tracks at once, which is why we can listen to and referee the kids fighting in the living room while making dinner, and listening and responding at the appropriate points in the story the hubby is telling. We are not flustered by having to do four things, three of them at times that overlap. We figure it out and we do it.
Women are impressed by men who do, not men who talk. We adore the man who doesn’t ask, “how can I help?” but instead actually sees what needs doing, and then does it.
How does this translate to votes? Tell women what you have done to make their lives better, and tell them the things you know still need doing. Speak their language. Do as much one-on-one or small group events as you can. Reach into your own personal life and relate.
How do you get them to the polls? Make them believe that it matters. Use the numbers, point to the close elections, where a thousand votes would have made a difference. Call your local party headquarters and offer to drive people to the polls. Offer to set up child care in the polling place for parents who can’t leave the kids at home.
Try everything until you find the thing that works.