
Because I have absolutely no desire to hit the cocktail weenie circuit -- and because this is a question that has been bugging the crap out of me for the last five years -- I'm going to ask it: why are my tax dollars paying Karl Rove's salary for his butt to park itself in the public space of the West Wing of the White House, but work on Republican political campaigns across the country?
The LATimes has an op-ed today that just raised that question again in my mind, and I would sure like some answers. From the LATimes:
Perhaps more than any other administration, the White House of George W. Bush has mastered the art of mixing politics and policy and keeping track of how federal government decisions can affect even obscure local elections. Rove, with a broad portfolio and extraordinary influence, introduced a new political doctrine, effectively putting the federal bureaucracy and the bully pulpit of the White House in the service of GOP political ends.All administrations are political, of course. But never before has the White House inserted electoral priorities into Cabinet agencies with such regularity and deliberation. Before the 2002 midterm elections, for instance, Rove or Mehlman visited with the managers of many federal agencies to share polling information and discuss how policy decisions might affect key races.
In 2002, Rove told Interior Department officials of the importance of helping farmers in Oregon whose political support was crucial to Gordon Smith, a vulnerable Republican senator. Within months, perhaps because of Rove's exhortations, the agency did just that, supporting the diversion of water from the environmentally important Klamath River for the sake of irrigating farmland. Thousands of salmon eventually died in the newly shallow waters. But the senator secured his reelection.
Other pieces of the plan preceded Bush and Rove. The legendary political genius Lee Atwater masterminded a long-term campaign to redraw congressional district lines, which has given Republicans a long-term edge in House elections that is difficult to reverse.
Let's see: rig the districts; gin up your own manufactured scandal machines; ends justifies all means necessary; maintain power at all costs...does that about sum it up? It isn't new -- the Bush Administration has been doing this since they entered office, but no one ever seems to ask the questions that really need asking about this.
None of this -- NONE -- explains to me how Karl Rove can work as some sort of pseudo-GOP campaign uber-manager from the West Wing, ordering about the various executive branch agencies into a perpetual campaign-mode action plan and the hell with the long-term governance consequences, sending out minions and surrogates to teevee shows across the country and giving marching orders to the folks in Congress (even heading up to the Hill to twist arms on occasion by threatening to withold re-election funds, if the papers are to be believed on this), and receive a public salary for his public duties all the while. Any answers on this? Any campaign law experts out there want to weigh in -- because I'm very serious about wanting to find some answers for myself...
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Fitz!
Fitz!
Dang! Missed it by that much.
Coulda had it, decided to read first this time.
Think any of the WH gang of lapdogs will have the cojones to press on this one? Nah…me, neither.
Give ‘em hell, Christy.
It’s time this country had a debate about this man. He has caused enough debate about others, and now it is his turn. I want everyone in this county to know that this “architect” had a previous career as a draft dodger. It is also time to talk about his immoral, and often illegal election engineering. I think when the American people see the soft, pasty, slime-covered underbelly of this man, they will not like what they see.
It’s time for the Dems to ATTACK Rove - they should know by now that he’s going to do it to them.
oh no it can’t be
Sounds like Christy is contemplating a new pet project.
Take on Rove, hell yeah!
Might need one of Ms. Hamsher’s signature assassination pieces to drive the wooden stake all the way through.
I seem to recall a brouhaha or kerfuffle about the evilness of Vice-President Albert Gore having made some fund-raising telephone calls from the White House . . . he was so pilloried !
This issue has just been bugging the crap out of me for a long time — and I haven’t been able to come up with any satisfactory answers on it. And I am absolutely serious about wanting answers…
Isn’t it illegal to use government resources for campaign purposes?
It’s a simple, straightforward question and a simple, straightforward answer will do.
I’ll point out that the spoof website, WhiteHouse.org, received emails “erroneously” from folks about campaign matters. Were they actually intended for addresses at the domain WhiteHouse.gov? Was this a regular habit, to send emails to/from the .gov domain?
The only other straightforward answer to the retention of Karl Rove in any taxpayer-funded position is that he is the Minister of Propaganda and we just haven’t been formally informed of his position.
In which case, I say FIRE the slimey f*cker.
More alarmingly, John Negroponte seems to helping out this time around and everything he does is classified. He’s untouchable.
Don’t forget Karl’s security clearance, something that no good political operative should be without.
A GREAT post Christy….I really think we have to go agressively after Miss Piggy Rover and the way he operates. Part of that is the press DEMANDING an explanation to your question….I am actually going to email Helen Thomas to ask this….if anyof you have the inclination write to Helen, she is good about this and has responded and asked questions before.
Her email;
hthomas@hearstdc.com
Rayne:
You’ve got it! Rove is just the Minister of Propaganda, and we haven’t been told because the existence of the position is a state secret necessary to fight the war on terrorism!
I’m still furious with his operatives here in NH for tying up the phone banks of the Democratic Party and Firefighters’ Union. And I’m not entirely happy with the Judge involved with the case.
Oh no, they brought up the Mt. Soledad cross in San Diego in the WH briefing. Snow didn’t bring his notes. What a tool….
Isn’t that the truth, Christy!
Bush Admin in a nutshell: politics IS policy IS politics.
What a losing loop. And We the People are its losers.
I don’t know election law so don’t have an answer for you, but I sure hope some here do.
Marry shady lobbyists with crooked insider hacks, and this is what you get.
Unfortunately, just about all of this can be justified in the name of “constitutent services.” Oregon farmers have a problem, go to their elected reps, and voila! I don’t like the policy in that case, but it’s hard to regulate or control what elected reps and administrative officials like Rove do in the course of serving their constituents, when there isn’t an outright bribe being made.
There may be some regulatory issues here, but I doubt it. As a political issue, however, I think this has great potential:
Do you want a government that listens only to its cronies?
Do you want a government that listens only to those who have clout?
Do you want a government that listens only to those that have friends in high places?
Do you want a government that listens only to the political calculators?
Do you want a government that campaigns 24/7/365?
Or do you want a government that governs?
Rayne says
June 26th, 2006 at 10:10 am
Isn’t it illegal to use government resources for campaign purposes?
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We should all know by now that Bush will simply do as he pleases until stopped. These pukes are all about wielding and perpetuating their power.
It is ABSOLUTELY illegal. At least in Congress. I think TEAM LOSER would argue that the “special” anti-coodie force fields that keeps federal stututes and the Constitution from applying to TEAM LOSER is also effective here. If I were their lawyer, I know I would use the anti-coodie/force field argument.
Great question Christy—it has been “bugging the crap” out of me too, for quite a while.
OT If any fdlers are interested in contributing to the live discussion at Wapo, the topic right now is net neutrality.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00735.html
Since he is also in charge of Katrina rebuilding efforts he has some government responsibilities.
But you are right,we are paying him to run RNC re-elect efforts.
Why do we pay for President Bush to travel the country campaigning for Republicans,it’s not like we are a country at war.
How many full days has President Bush spent at the White House since 2000?
Why is Rove officing in the WH? Because he can…and nobody has dared say anything. Too timid, too coopted, too scared of retaliation? It’s bugged the crap out of a whole lot of us, Christy, that this SOB has collaborated in outing Plame which supposedly was a fireable offense and blatantly runs the Republican party machinery from inside the WH. Yet another example of the Rethugs projection of their own corruption… and Bush using others to acccomplish his self-serving agenda. This is about Bush as much as Rove… Taking a page from Rove’s playbook, attack Bush’s strength…his “Brain”…or maybe, Sphincter.
Certainly, Rove could not solicit campaign funds as a public official. But he certainly could talk to campaign operatives.
Maurice Stans (of Watergate lore) was Secretary of Commerce under Nixon and resigned to head the Finance Committee to Re-elect the president.
I suspect he has a gov job title and is answerable to someone above him.. the pres… who doesn’t care what he does… no job description.. no performance requirement.
Who can actually determine who works in the executive branch and what they are supposed to be doing for their paycheck?
They run the government like a private company which is not even accountable to shareholders.
The Rigas tried that with their cable biz, but that WAS a public corporation and they got busted by the AG and shareholder outrage.
The cheney administration has the rubberstamp congresscritters and the lapdog supremes eating out of their hand… and the DOJ is part of the executive. Who is going to rain on their parade? The adoring WOWED pressers? Nah.. they like being near the power…
The system is way broke… can it ever work again? OH… and they have stolen all the money so when they do leave they leave the next “team” with an ocean of debt.
All perfectly true, of course, but I think that you are attacking the symptom instead of the disease. In the modern conservative paradigm, there can be no distinction between policy and politics or between governance and campaigning. The only reason to win an election is to increase your ability to win future elections and to frame the discussion of issues in ways that decrease honest debate and increase the strength of know-nothing feel-good-isms. The indefensible tax cuts, the deficits, the dismantling of social programs, the war, the cronyism, the incompetence, the demonization of science, and Rove, the propogandist-in-chief, are not mistakes, and are not flaws in the program, they are the program. This is the agenda: a useless government that doesn’t even know what its’ job is. Had enough?
TANK at 23 — it turns out that he was never appointed to be in cahrge of the Katrina rebuilding efforts. That was floated out as a distraction during a period when Rove was appearing in front of the federal grand jury again — but he was never formally vested with the responsibilities, they were given to someone else. So he doesn’t have that as a fall back at all.
None of this [explains] how Karl Rove can work as some sort of pseudo-GOP campaign uber-manager from the West Wing
It’s very simple. To summarize Lapdogs — the one-size-fits-all MSM narrative:
GOP good; Democrats bad.
GOP strong; Democrats weak.
Bush up; Democrats down.
Bush straight shooter; Democrats equivocate.
No matter what the news, these all purpose filters will put starch in the GOoPer sails, and leave the Democrats limp.
If really bad news for Bush arrives on the MSM doorstep like a flaming bag of shit, there is always the Clenis and Hillary’s lemon yellow pantsuit to extinguish the flames.
The good news — with Bush at 35% JAR, the MSM has as much credibility as their man crush hero.
Since the Guckert/Gannon debacle broke, I have been sorely tempted to FOIA any and all emails sent to WhiteHouse.gov domain or any other OVP or XO domain that were sent from and to domains like RNC.com or GOP.com or BushCheney04.com or you name it. I tripped on those emails to WhiteHouse.org during research into Guckert/Gannon’s sordid background.
Unless there was an autoresponder that said, “Please send all campaign-related emails to a different domain”, to all incoming RNC/GOP/other Republican committee/campaign emails, these emails are proof positive the administration was using taxpayer-funded resources for the purposes of campaigning.
And that’s just for starters. Want to bet these same emails weren’t archived properly, like the 200 that Fitz received rather late in the Plame-CIA Leak investigation?
OT, but disgusting. howie kurtz is a pig.
via: http://www.boomantribune.com
Howie Kurtz Outs Murray Waas
by Steven D
Mon Jun 26th, 2006 at 12:21:40 PM EST
This is beyond absurd.
Today, Howie Kurtz, the Washington Post’s media critic, has decided to out Murray Waas of the National Journal. What sort of dirt does Mr. Kurtz have on Mr. Waas? What deep dark secret does Kurtz feel compelled to expose? Why, that Murray Waas is a cancer survivor, that’s what:
For a reporter whose specialty is digging out secrets, Murray Waas has been keeping one about himself for a long time.
He was once diagnosed with an advanced form of cancer and told he had little chance of survival. More recently, he had to fight off a recurrence and his subsequent bankruptcy from medical bills. […]
…Did Waas’s near-death experience, and subsequent complications, affect his journalism? How could such a searing experience not change your outlook on work and life?
Waas, who works for the National Journal and has drawn attention lately for several scoops in the CIA leak investigation, sued George Washington University Medical Center for failing to diagnose his cancer, winning a $650,000 judgment. But over the years he has persuaded other reporters to steer clear of his medical history on grounds that it was private — an interesting stance for a journalist who asks probing questions for a living.
Oh my Gawd! Murray Waas had CANCER!!! Shout it to the roof tops! And he went bankrupt because of it. And he sued his doctors for failing to diagnose his cancer. And won $650,000! And he has discouraged other journalists from writing about his private medical history!
My Gawd, what a slime ball this Mr. Waas is, to want to keep his private life private. Why, we just know that it had to have some major impact on his reporting! It explains everything about why Mr. Waas has been such a diligent reporter of the CIA leak case involving the outing of Valerie Wilson! To borrow a phrase, “Not Exactly.”
(cont.)
To be blunt, this is ludicrous. Waas’ past medical condition has nothing to do with his reporting. And it’s no crime to be a cancer survivor, nor to sue your doctor for malpractice.
Waas pursued his reporting of the CIA leak case because he is a good reporter, period. He thoroughly investigated a story which no one else in the media bothered to pursue with half as much professionalism, partly because so many of our big time elite media organizations and their reporters were hopelessly compromised because they were part of the story. TIME magazine, the New York Times, NBC, the Washington Post: all had reporters who were involved in the leaks by Rove, Libby and Cheney.
Thank God we had Murray Waas around. He actually took the outing of a covert CIA operative by the Bush administration, and the resulting cover-up by those same Bush officials, seriously. And this is his reward from his peers at the elite news organization: to have his personal business spread across the pages of the Washington Post, as if he were some low life criminal. To have Howard Kurtz, hypocrite extraordinaire, opine about how all this “messy personal history” involving cancer and ” his near death experience” may have effected his journalism? Mr. Kurtz, this is frankly despicable.
I doubt it will do any good, but let’s bombard Mr. Kurtz and the Post’s ombudsman, Deborah Howell, with emails, and WaPo with letters to the editor suggesting he give us the lowdown on his personal life and asking him to speculate on how that may have affected his journalism. Certainly it hasn’t done so for the better.
Washington Post writers and editors can be contacted by regular mail at:
Managing Editor and Howard Kurtz
The Washington Post
1150 15th Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20071
Email Kurtz here: LINK.
Email for Deborah Howell, Wapo ombudsman:
ombudsman@washpost.com or call her at 202-334-7582.
The e-mail address for letters to the editor is letters@washpost.com.
Bush cannot function with his brain across town, so Rove needs to be across the hall, all the talk about “moving into a windowless office” when Bolten downgraded Miss Piggy notwithstanding. There always politics on any WH staff, it goes with the territory, but the analogy to the Gore fundraising calls is apt. If Rover’s portfolio is ENTIRELY political, can he work in the WH?
This sounds like a question for intrepid girl reporter Helen Thomas, since none of the lapdogs seems to want to hurt their new best friend T-Sno’s feelings.
So Helen, what’s up with Rover’s paycheck and office? Can a purely political portfolio — which is how Bolten has described Rover’s duties now — be funded by the taxpayers? Can he use the WH phones (bet he doesn’t do email anymore!!) ?
Perpetuators of Rove machine don’t think twice about attacking any of their opponents. They must never expect to pay consequences.
No time has been lost in attacking Murray Waas. See NextHurrah’s emptywheel,”Speaking from cancer,” who slams Howie Kurtz for smearing Waas. Top of the fold at TNH today.
The key to this system - and to defeating it - is light. RoveCo politics are like a mushroom farm. They depend on staying in the shadows to protect them from the harsh daylight, and they grow in manure.
And where does the light come from? Congress. Congressional hearings. Congressional oversight. One branch looking over the shoulder of the other. How do you prod congress? The Press - mainstream and not-so-mainstream alike. Constituent anger and frustration can get the attention of even Joe Lieberman - though it may have been a tad slow in getting the message.
Checks and balances, anyone? They worked for 200 years - let’s give them a try again.
You’re missing the point. Politics trumps every other concern. It’s their first priority.
There’s always been a political player in the White House–Bobby Kennedy, John Mitchell, Hamilton Jordan. What is unprecedented (channelling Glenn Greenwald)is the determined flouting of the law by regulatory agencies like the EPA, the FTC and the FDA for purely political purposes. I know, personally, of cases at the EPA where the local agency was told by a political appointee, “Yes, it may be true that they’re breaking the law, but take no action.”
Every press release is vetted by a political operative. This is way wider and way deeper than Rove. What can we do about it? Win back at least on House in 06.
It’s easier to separate church and state than campaigning and governing.
Patrick Lane at 34 - Believe me, I’m not missing the point at all. Their priority is not even politics, it is maintaining their own level of power — politics is simply the means to an end. But that doesn’t mean that these questions don’t need to be asked, explored and answered.
Even John Mitchell had the integrity to resign as Nixon’s AG and take the reins of the Nixon’s reelection campaign as the head of CREEP.
Per everyone else, great question Christy.
Also per Hugh at 10:11, I sure would like to know why Rover needs security clearity clearance for duties which are 100% political.
Murray Waas has an eloquent entry today on Huffpost.
He seems to think, though, Howie Kurtz is a friend, “And if the media critics are right–people like Dan Froomkin, Howard Kurtz, Jay Rosen, and Jane Hamsher–I am doing just fine in covering the story.”
IMO — Murray Waas represents the best contemporary journalism has to offer.
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Whatever happened when Al Gore was making his VP phone calls that had the pundits panties in a twist before his presidential run?
Great post … and good question!
OT:
On CSPAN3 they are showing the Senate Democratic Policy Hearing on Prewar intelligence.
Christy:
Thanks so much for asking this question.
It’s one I ask myself, Mr. LittleDog, and the television almost every day.
What they heck? Weren’t Gore of Clinton fined for making political phone calls from a White House office?
And Sen. Dorgan just mentioned the FRONTLINE program.
Damn, I don’t get CSPAN-3 on this cable line up.
Seems to me this is an excellent question to continue to put in front of the chattering class. I’m going focus on just this during WaPoO chats this week. When a Post Politics reporter answers with the phrase, “Lots of questions on this topic this morning….” that means we’ve successfully flooded the zone. Or the other side has.
So, let’s narrow Christy’s question: “Why is Karl Rove on the White House payroll if he’s ONLY working on GOP success in the mid-terms? Shouldn’t his paycheck come from the RNC and not the taxpayers?”
Is that about right?
Oh, and PS:
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Had Enough?
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AMEN, CHS.
I’m sure they can drag out some WH lawyer to say that, since politcs is policy for this administration, then its a legitimate use of taxpayer money.
I guess
the hairByron York is calling in a few favorsto get back at Waasfor YKos. For anyone who cares to let Howie know how we feel, you can post it atHoward Kurtz will be online Tuesday, June 27, at 1 p.m. ET to discuss the press and his latest columns
Washington Post Columnist
Tuesday, June 27, 2006; 1:00 PM
You know, I read the Kurtz column as being surprisingly sympathetic, to be honest.
It occurred to me recently that the word courtesan would a better term to describe the fawning sycophants who make up the washington establishment these days, media shills, congress, and Demo collaborators. There is an ill-suited air of elegance to the term, but also one of willful acts of ritualized self-deprecation, moral compromise and quiet desperation.
Maybe its not crude enough to describe the moral bankruptcy of these people, but it does create a sense of context in which they operate. Were they merely ‘whores’, they would be available for any ‘john’, but no, these people are courtesans, playing the fawning suitor to the ‘court of the dauphin’, the boy-blunder himself, with all his sinister neo-con regents and handlers.
I admit its a petulant distinction, but when considering the lengths that RoveCo goes to ‘frame context’ for the purpose of controlling dialogue, it would help to perhaps find a set of contextual descriptions that ‘wrap around’ the framework Rove is painting. The term courtesan has the added advantage of being politely derogatory enough to make it into mainstream parlance.
whyte, btw, thanks for the link to Howie.
Seems to me it falls under one of those “frowned upon but legal” practices that is entirely acceptable to this administration and largely to the media who just thinks it’s political hardball rather than corruption.
Personally, I don’t think anyone in the administration should be allowed to campaign or work for campaigns except the VP since he oversees congress and retains a sense of party. Everyone else is no longer working for their party but for the country as a whole.
beard 5 at 46
We don’t get C-Span 3 on cable either, but can access it through the C-Span site on the net.
If you’ve got broadband, you might give it a try.
Remember this from 2002?
“On Monday we learned that in a forthcoming Esquire story John DiIulio, former Bush director of the White House Office Of Faith-based and Community Initiatives, says that politics, not policy run the Bush White House, that speeches come first and policy is hastily and sketchily constructed later, that Bush is kept on the short leash of far right preconceptions of the world that often don’t jibe with reality, and that fear of Karl Rove prevents staffers from providing him with news from the real world that might contradict his extreme, conservative vision.
In DiIulio’s words, “there is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: complete lack of a policy apparatus. Besides the tax cut, which was cut and dried during the campaign, and the education bill, which was really a Ted Kennedy bill, the administration has not done much, either in absolute terms or in comparison to previous administrations at this stage, on domestic policy. What you’ve got is everything, and I mean everything, being run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. [They] consistently talked and acted as if the height of political sophistication consisted in reducing every issue to its simplest black-and-white terms for public consumption, then steering legislative initiatives or policy proposals as far right as possible.” The former White House director confides, “I heard many, many staff discussions but not three meaningful, substantive policy discussions. There were no actual policy white papers on domestic issues. There were, truth be told, only a couple of people in the West Wing who worried at all about policy substance and analysis … Every modern presidency moves on the fly, but on social policy and related issues, the lack of even basic policy knowledge, and the only casual interest in knowing more, was somewhat breathtaking: discussions by fairly senior people who meant Medicaid but were talking Medicare; near-instant shifts from discussing any actual policy pros and cons to discussing political communications, media strategy, et cetera .” DiIulio goes on to tell us that “the remarkably slapdash character of the Office of Homeland Security, with the nine months of arguing that no department was needed, with the sudden, politically timed reversal in June …”
After reading all of Matt O.’s pieces and then adding this, I’m ready for a tax revolt. They’re pissing it all away.
Atwater had a mea culpa on his deathbed-Kove will be evil, I fear for eternity.
Redd,
Perhaps Murray agrees with your reading?
I’m no fan of Kurtz and when I read Waas’ HuffPost entry I flashed back to “Which one of these is not like the other”. The names Kurtz and Hamsher in the same line of praise is, for me I confess, somewhat disturbing.
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Christy, I’ll defer to you 100%.
I have no wish to dislike Kurtz even more than I already do. It’s not like there is a shortage of pseudo journalists in Washington.
Froomkin’s Monday column is up, and right on topic for this thread. Headline on today’s column: “Access for Sale”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00879.html
Abramoff and Safavian are the top two items. He links to a Frank Rich column behind the TimesWall, and also quotes a little tidbit where Rich offers a great piece of snark that fits in here:
Emphasis added.
mommybrain 55 -
This is what we get when we allow people who unabashedly admit to HATING government gain control of it.
Sophist says:
“It occurred to me recently that the word courtesan would a better term to describe the fawning sycophants who make up the washington establishment these days, media shills, congress, and Demo collaborators. There is an ill-suited air of elegance to the term, but also one of willful acts of ritualized self-deprecation, moral compromise and quiet desperation.”
Courtesan can be a deprecating term, but is often associated with court life in fairly advanced stages of court civilization, like Tokugawa Japan or the Versailles of Louis XIV. In the context of DC today, “whore” is probably more accurate, which is why so many have used “whore” to describe these folks.
Christy,
It is a great question and a great graphic.
I’ve sent my email to Helen Thomas and will post one at the WaPoO.
We have to control the narrative and iasking these questions and DEMANDING answers will help.
ATTACK ! ATTACK! ATTAAAAACK ! (in italics)
Christy - let’s start with the Hatch Act of 1939: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939
Do any comparable Federal laws regulate political activity of those at the policymaking level in the executive branch of the Federal government?
ayetolla 6 - it is way past “time for the Dems to ATTACK Rove” but we shouldn’t hold our breath for the party leadership to attack…nor MSM…this is a job for the netroots to step up the attack 24/7 like swarming summertime fireants, err firedoglake pups. Google may prove a ready tool to track his schedule for some effective rapid response team tagging, here, there and everywhere. Count me in!
Operation Create Chimpy’s Legacy is in full swing.
This is the second time in two weeks that I have read Herr Rover refer to Bush as “progressive”.
http://www.time.com/time/magaz.....-1,00.html
-GSD
Pillar is steaming ahead! Hey, Pat Roberts, are you watching??????????
Calling cocktail weenie journalists courtesans will make them think they are on the legal beat.
Nope, nothing to see here — move along everyone. Now, where is that buffet?
Actually, courtesan is a good way to describe them — but it’s kind of high falutin’, and the GOP MSM acolytes are impervious to anything short of flamethrowers and hand grenades.
Sad, but true. Look at the amount of vitriol Jane threw at the WaPoo for lil’ Debbie’s errors — they responded, but mostly they hunkered down.
Yes, but what does Kos say we should think about Kurtz’ spotlight on Waas’s cancer survivorhood?
Did Tony Snow’s cancer experience affect his job performance at Fox & now the WH? No, he’s still an idiot.
Stephen Parrish - I was just trying to link to the Hatch Act and lost the whole post. It has been revised a fair amount since 1939 givin more leeway.
However, I’ve gone back and forth as to why Rove should be covered and that much of what does shouldn’t be allowed.
Also, I don’t know if Rove is in the Executive Senior Service which has different stritures on political activty.
Anne
ok, I’m confused - how can Howie “out” Murray on a story which Murray himself published?
is the suggestion that Murray only published because he expected Howie’s piece or are we jumping a touch too fast here?
just checking
Here’s the link for emptywheel’s passionate piece on Murray Waas and cancer. Several surprises.
BobbyG,
Listened to some of the MP3s at your site last night - until we had a five-hour power outage.
Awesome band. I LOVED “Come Together,” man. Is the backup brass part of your core group or do you hire locals for that when you travel.
Christy,
No word back from Stevens or the Commerce Committee on what they’re trying to compromise on. Not surprised at the no callback. I haven’t sent Stevens money in almost 20 years.
Rove is SO key here as 2006 comes up. He scares the bejeesus out of the press. If lefty blogs could have a role in taking down or even seriously attenuating Rove, the Washington press atmosphere WOULD change, and quickly.
Have been swamped at work today, and dying to comment on all of these topics (more than the snark that’s been all I’ve had time for).
Like many have already said, this is an excellent question, but then, I think the growing list of questions we have for this administration are all excellent. What we never get are any answers beyond (1) no, we aren’t, )2) well, we are, but only a little, (3) well, it’s a lot, but it’s okay because it’s wartime and (4) yeah, we are but I’m the president and that makes it okay. For some reason, that pretty much ends the conversation, except for the moments when Arlen forgets he’s a lapdog and inadvertently starts acting like he gives a crap.
I mean, isn’t that about the size of it?
One of the reasons we are in the mess we’re in is because this is an administration that seems to think that what they are administering is the ongoing power of the Republican party and not the country itself. They do not govern - they campaign. They do not lead the people out of problems that arise - they determine how the problems can best be used to help them and their cronies make money and they kick the people to the curb. They do not obey the law - they defy the law. They do not uphold the Constitution - they wipe their feet on it.
November, people - that’s the key. If we cannot take a majority in November, it will be seen and spun as total victory for the GOP, and further license to gut what’s left of any principles or rights or laws that were supposed to hold them in check.
Teddy Sanfran,
That quote reminds me of my favorite trip to Redstate after the Bush nomination of Harriet Miers.
The inquiring Redstater chimed in. “Let’s wait until to tomorrow to see what Rush has to say before making a judgement on Miers.”
So, have there been any missives from The Kingpin that need action from the Kos zombies?
-GSD
…the White House of George W. Bush has mastered the art of mixing politics and policy…
Oh, that’s simply not true. They are all politics and no policy.
Let’s swiftboat Karl!!
Ed*ard Teller 73 -
The band is self-contained, all local cats, most of whom play in the major casino shows here. They play on Mondays only, for the pure fun of it. They’d like to go full-time, but the financial challenges are considerable.
I can’t imagine how great they’d be were they able to go at it as their main gig.
We’re working on a plan. Link to info about tonight, and the blog…
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/muc/175530332.html
GSD at 65, I think I threw up a little reading that. Good lord, comparing this obnoxious wart to Teddy Roosevelt….I have no words to satisfactorily express my disgust.
i am no fan of howard kurtz but this is the sixth paragraph in his piece:
“I kept it a huge secret,” says Waas, who decided to go public after receiving an inquiry from Washington City Paper and concluding that such questions would continue to dog him.
not sure this qualifies as an outing.
siun at 71, Kurtz was in the print version today, so written before 11pm last night and perhaps posted ?this morning. Waas posted at huffpo today. I’m gonna go with responding.
Christy is spot on with her concern over the merging of governance and politics as symptomized by Rove continuing to draw a GS-32 salary (or whatever his pay grade is) of $161,000 while doing strictly political work. And this does not include a whole lot of perks. I used the word “symptom” advisedly because this is not the disease, but only a symptom of the disease. The disease is that Bush and company have pretty much totally erased the dividing line between governing and politics, and they are now one and the same.
This is not new, and has been going on for ages. What is new is that there is no longer any pretense of propriety. This is just the way it is done.
Remember when Common Cause was a noble effort to keep governing this nation even half-way ethical? Nobody hears of Common Cause anymore, though they are still around, a voice in the wilderness.
Whatcan we do? Keep making it an issuse, just the way the wingnuts kept making Monica’s blue dress and issue. Forget about your Congress critters saying or doing anything. Most of them, Pubs and Dems, are up to their ears in pork and nepotism too. The media dare not bring it up. So it is up to the squadrons of rabid lambs spewing venom to keep on bleating. It may never to any good but we can have fun in the meantime.
Rove is next working on a piece that compares Ann Coulter to Mother Theresa.
Also, look at Fox News. Getting all grumpy and desperate and full of threats now.
Ha…ha..ha….
Losing more ratings points than..gasp…CNN.
http://www.rawstory.com/showar.....=CA6346894
-GSD
Christy, I started searching and found a site that appears to be administered by UVA.
http://www.americanpresident.o.....istration/
I submitted two questions for them. I asked if it was legal for cabinet members to work on political campaigns and I asked where we might find the laws and rules that govern White House employees and Cabinet members.
Remember, John Conyers has an open ethics investigation for this reason…he allegedly “required” his staffers to work on campaigns back home. I think at least one time was for his wife’s campaign for office.
Wayne White(former State Principal Iraq analyst 2003-05) indicts the warmongers– they had no knowledge or experience of the region or Iraq. They pushed evidence aside and in one instance did not even read it. Mentions Bolton’s harassment of at least one person at State.
Bombshell: We were stretched too thin. Centcom was planning on relying on NGO’s for the treatment of Iraqi military and civilian wounded. White reminded them of the 4th Geneva Convention and international law– officers were desperately casting about for alternative resources to provide for their responsibilities.
Iraqis are tough and proud people. The first Gulf war was a rollover– the Iraqis knew they could not win against the huge coalition. Iraqis are very capable as evidenced in the Iraq/ Iran war– they won.
They have a renewable resource– POIs aka Pissed off Iraqis. They will fight.
Afternoon. Let’s see here…..yesssss…..an article about: Karl! Karl The Coward Rove! Draft dodging Karl The Coward Rove. Well, well….how are you today, you little COWARD?????
Sitting around on your fat YELLOW ass on the taxpayers dole? Yes, you are little draft dodger. And the troops are coming.
As for me, I’m on my own track with Karl The Coward. Tell me, draft dodging Karl The Coward Rove…what do you do each year….on Mothers Day??
Bye for now, draft dodging Karl The Coward Rove.
Ghostman
*ilson @ 9, guess who started the kerfluffle about gore’s fundraising calls….none other than boob Woodward…bob?
From Kurtz’ column, it looks like Murray talked with Howie about his (Murray’s)decision to write about his cancer. Given Murray’s style, I suspect that if he felt “outed” he would have said so in his piece. Instead, it looks like Murray chose to give Howie a heads up about his planned column - I may be wrong here and I am no Howie fan but I don’t want to jump him if Murray chose to give him the heads up and I worry that in our very righteous disgust with msm, we can occasionally jump too fast. We need to be careful or our legitimate critique gets discredited.
christy, thanks for raising the subject of Rove on the taxpayer’s dime. it really hit a nerve with me. especially lately, as he’s come out from under his legal rock and is doing more public appearances.
for Rove, a paid White House official, to be giving speeches defaming Democratic liberals, or the cut and run crap he’s spewing is just infuriating. why are my tax dollars paying for someone to lie about me and call me names? how can this be legal?
giving it some air time is good. perhaps there’s something here to work with.
Bush and Rove play by different rules than you and I. I say this because I’m assuming most or us are not engaged in a criminal enterprise.
angie - have a link for that? I’d like to read if you do
bomb blasts in Hillal and Bakuba - multiple casualties in both being reported
siun– it’s testimony on prewar intelligence showing on cspan 3 right now.
This particular committee is pretty good at getting the transcripts up.
I know that this is OT, but no place else to put it right now. Be sure to check the Daily Howler today. Somerby has a section from yesterday’s FDL book discussion. Sorry if someone else has already noted this.
OfT (unless you Rover’s government salary pays to help Rape Gurney Joe):
Joe’s gone real nasty and negative in his mailers to registered Dems this weekend:
http://www.newhavenindependent.....n_lies.php
… unless you agree ….
There was no penetration. I repeat, there was no penetration.
Thank you.
-”Soul Kiss Joe” Liberman
orangejumpsuit @ 82
Common Cause is still fighting the good fight. They are working effectively to protect voters rights, for public campaign financing, net neutrality, to reestablish ethics and accountability in Congress, amoung many other issues.
Chellie Pingree, who narrowly missed defeating Susan Collins in 2002, is now president and CEO. That was a painful loss and was within a few percentage points.
I suggest that another way of taking back the narrative, and putting these kinds of questions that we are asking today front and center, is by making a donation to them today.
can someone tell me why my links never show up?
I do not agree with the Wickapedia interpretation of the Hatch Act. I will admit that back in the days when I was a HAtch Act covered employee it was administered in a much more strick way tha it is now.
When Al Gore got in trouble for the fundraising phone calls it was because of the Hatch Act and federal campaign finance law because he was making the calls ON GOVERNMENT PROPERTY.
Regardless of what level of government you are, you are not allowed to perform campaign work on government proeperty or using government equipment.
So, Pat, YO FITZ! , if you are lurking, and in case you haven’t done so already, take a stroll through the campaign finance laws (possibly even a few state clean elections statutes), before you definatively rule out all possibility of indicting Rover.
Why would this activity fall under the ambit of your investigation? Because the counterattack and smear of Joe Wilson and the object lesson of the outing of Valerie Plame were acts of plain old fashioned dirty campaigning designed to both kill off the faked intelligence/Niger Yellowcake problem that was a danger to the re-election, it was also meant to intimidate both whistleblowers and media outlets to keep their mouths shut before the re-election.
The New York Times held up the printing of how many stories due to pressure from the Administration?? Don’t you think publication of these stories pre- re-election would have changed the result, ya know with the final tallies being so very close and all?
Any man who managed to use a Civil War sedition staute as a modern tool against terrorist mullahs, should have no trouble at all using modern campaign and election law, not to mention federal clean government rules to prosecute such flagerent violations of both the letter and the spirit.
You know, there is more than one kind of election fraud. Not just ballot stuffing. Not just voter supression. Not just uncounted votes. There is also the kind of election fraud that comes from diverting resources that the campaign is not entitled to, to the benefit of the campaign.
Pat, honey, it’s no different than some mobbed up contractor stealing construction materials off a job site, or double billing for the single dump truck load.
You can do this. It’s really quite simple. Well within your skill set.
isis2 at 80 — I think that is exactly right. Good catch!
lhp I left you 2 comments yesterday in earlier threads about your fevers. Toward the end, in the same thread.
lhp, Face the Snark 79 and 85.
I think sonate at 15 had it.
Besides, don’t you realize if the President does it, it’s legal. We pay for lots of lawyer at DOJ to keep reminding us of that truism. They are all-truism-istic about that public service thing.
Howard Beale from way below Re: public integrity chain with Hillman gone:
General Gonzales, then
Paul J. McNulty
Acting Deputy Attorney General
Alice S. Fisher
Assistant Attorney General, Criminal Division
Andrew Lourie
Acting Chief, Public Integrity Section
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I think Lourie’s is the name you were trying to find.
Add on:
Glenn A. Fine
Inspector General
(who did a lovely hatchett piece on Colleen Rowley, while managing to make sure that no whistleblower got any support or back up in the earlier hearings with Kucinich’s subcommittee and who seems to find a abundance of lack of jurisdication — kind of like finding squadrons of rabid venomous lambs — for anything anyone in DOJ does to assist with illegal programs and activities in the White House)
H. Marshall Jarrett
Counsel, Office of Professional Responsibility
(Psssssst - these are the guys who are all so bad they don’t qualify for security clearances - don’t eat your lunch with THEM)