
Former Attorney General John Ashcroft goes where one former A.G. probably should not. John Ashcroft is... "The Insider." Now lobbying in government offices probably nowhere near you.
With a history dating back to the late 19th century, General Dynamics is among the top five defense contractors based in the United States and involved in land, sea and air weapon systems. (Recently acquired Anteon International Corporation.) Officially established under its current name in February 1952, GD is based in Falls Church, Virginia and is the manufacturer of the M1 Abrams tank and the Los Angeles class SSNs (nuclear-powered attack submarines).
In a November 2004 article in the Providence Journal, it was noted that General Dynamics is "the largest maker of armored vehicles for the U.S. military." According to Oakland, Calif. based watchdog, CorpWatch, General Dynamics received almost $10 billion in government contracts and made $1.42 million in political contributions (57% to Republicans) in the 2004 election cycle. (The blogosphere's favorite senator, Joe Lieberman, received $10,000 from GD in 2005. Just one of the many defense industry donors to the junior senator from Connecticut.) And just for good measure, the current Deputy Secretary of Defense and former Secretary of the Navy, Gordon England, served as General Dynamics vice president from 1997 until 2001. CorpWatch summarized the relationship between GD executives and the military:
The Boston Globe noted at the time of his nomination that "Gordon England had no military experience, but he had just the right qualification to become President Bush’s pick for secretary of the Navy: Two decades in the corporate world." Former Pentagon and military officials populate General Dynamic’s Board of Directors, including Jay L. Johnson, Chief of Naval Operations in the U.S. Navy, Paul G. Kaminski, Under Secretary of U.S. Department of Defense for Acquisition and Technology, and George A. Joulwan, former U.S. Army Supreme Allied Commander, Europe.Former Secretary of State Colin Powell had an interest in the company as well. He received $1 million of stock in General Dynamics, as well as more than $20 million in other corporate investments, when he joined the board of America Online.
General Dynamics' ties to the federal government were further strengthened as former Attorney General John Ashcroft's lobbying firm, The Ashcroft Group, was recently hired by GD (via David R. Mark of JABBS):
Former U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft's lobbying firm has been hired by General Dynamics to represent it on "trade and defense issues," O'Dwyer's PR Daily reports in its June 15 edition.[...]
General Dynamics has hardly been hurting for business from the Bush Administration. The Washington Times reported June 13 that "the steady stream of orders from the U.S. Army -- which now total about 25 percent of the company's sales -- provides a solid base that will continue for years." The defense contractor's net sales have more than doubled since 2000 to $21.24 billion last year.
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Ashcroft, who set up his lobbying firm last September, is at the center of that criticism, with some saying that for the nation's chief law enforcement officer to move to K Street was as undignified as it was unusual. Ashcroft is the first former attorney general to become a registered lobbyist. Danielle Brian, executive director of the Project on Government Oversight, told the New York Times that because Ashcroft had worked only in government, "he cannot claim to have any business expertise."
"What is he selling, other than connections and knowledge of how to game the system from being attorney general?" Brian asked. Consider this: After helping prosecute executives at Enron and WorldCom, Ashcroft now says he can counsel similar troubled companies to avoid similar fates -- to be "someone who can take threatening circumstances and neutralize them." (emphasis from JABBS)
Ah yes, the ol' revolving door and the shameless transparent use of government contacts: (Connected) people helping (rich) people (get richer).
Question: When Ashcroft's group seals the deal on a contract for General Dynamics, do you think they will break out the Crisco to mark the occasion, followed by a rousing rendition of "Let the Eagle Soar"? It's probably company policy for one of the best "hired guns" on K-Street.
Related Earlier this week, Senator Byron Dorgan (D-North Dakota) penned an amendment to the Defense appropriation bill in an attempt to reign in defense contractors that have run amok in Iraq. It was co-sponsored by 17 Democrats but Republicans voted against it, leading to its defeat. There should be no doubt that the Republicans are complicit in the fleecing of the American taxpayers to feed the greedy appetite of defense contractors. Bob Geiger wrote June 20 for Democrats.com:
"I think when you are at war, when a massive quantity of money is being pushed out the door, that we ought to decide to get tough on those who would be engaged in war profiteering," said Dorgan in fighting for his amendment last week. "I dare say that never in the history of this country has so much money been wasted so quickly. And, yes, there is fraud involved, there is abuse involved, and it is the case that there is a dramatic amount of taxpayers' money that is now being wasted."[...]
And Senate Republicans still saw fit to reject penalizing companies engaging in overt war profiteering and fraud despite Dorgan's spending a considerable amount of time on the Senate floor trotting out example after example of the hideous abuse that has been occurring in Iraq.
"What we have discovered is pretty unbelievable," said Dorgan last week. "We have direct testimony from physicians, Army doctors, and others about providing nonpotable water for shaving, brushing teeth that is in worse condition as water than the raw water coming out of the Euphrates River."
"Let me describe some of the firsthand eyewitness issues in Iraq," Dorgan continued. "Brand new $85,000 trucks that were left on the side of the road because of a flat tire and then subsequently burned. 25 tons, 50,000 pounds, of nails ordered by Kellogg, Brown & Root (KBR), the wrong size, that are laying in the sands of Iraq. 42,000 meals a day charged to the taxpayers by Halliburton and only 14,000 are actually served."
Senator Dorgan co-sponsored another measure that would create an oversight committe charged with investigating defense contractor fraud. It was shot down also. Said Senate Minority Whip, Dick Durbin (D-Illinois):
"I don't understand why there isn't a sense of outrage in this Congress on a bipartisan basis, on both sides of the aisle, that we are not only being ripped off as taxpayers by these no-bid contracts but that we are shortchanging these men and women who are risking their lives while we stand in the comfort and safety of this Senate," said the Illinois Democrat. "I know Halliburton is a big political force in this town. I know in some quarters you are not supposed to question Halliburton. This is some sacred institution politically. I don't buy it. I count the soldiers that are putting their lives on the line to be much more sacred and much more valuable than any big, huge, no-bid corporation."
Shorter GOP on war profiteers: "Oversight? We don't need no stinkin' oversight."
Finally, this being my first post at FDL since YearlyKos, I wanted to highlight the incredible panel, "View from the Ground," led by Paul Rieckhoff, author of Chasing Ghosts: A Soldier's Fight for America from Baghdad to Washington and executive director/founder of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA). The non-profit IAVA is "the nation's first and largest group dedicated to the Troops and Veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the civilian supporters of those Troops and Veterans." (Read the IAVA's section on "private contractors." Also, the IAVA is sponsoring a project on defense contractors called the "Follow the Money Project.")
Republicans claim they "support the troops" and paint Democrats on the other side of America's men and women in uniform. However, the GOP-controlled Congress and White House slash veterans' benefits and stab them in the back at will. They must really believe that lapel pins, yellow ribbon magnets, U.S. flags, and marching in lockstep with GOP "policy" is all it takes to "support the troops." Republicans talk tough -- and have the t-shirts and bumper stickers to prove it -- but seldom do they ever follow through on the rhetoric; be it body armor, veterans' benefits, defense contractors running amok, or a viable Iraq policy that includes more substance than simply saying "stay the course." That's not a plan. That's a death sentence.
Democrats must take a strong stand in support of our returning vets and expose the empty Republican rhetoric for what it truly is: dangerously deluded.
To support true American heroes like Paul Rieckhoff, help the IAVA.
Other posts in this series:
"Merchants of Misery" and the "Do-Less-Than-Nothing" Congress (introduction), 04.29.06
Houston, We Have a Problem (Halliburton), 05.06.06
Friends in High Places (Bechtel), 05.20.06
Transforming Risk into Opportunity (Custer Battles), 06.03.06
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General Dynamics received almost $10 billion in government contracts and made $1.42 million in political contributions (57% to Republicans) in the 2004 election cycle.
Now *that’s* what I call a return on investment!
Matt O.!
I thought you guys would all like to hear how Joementum is running on $10,000 of General Dynamics cash.
Browse his donors via the FEC website. It chock full of telecom, insurance, defense contractors and pharmaceutical donations.
Baron Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben, the gay German who aided George Washington in organzing our winning Continental Army !
I thought you guys would all like to hear how Joementum is running on $10,000 of General Dynamics cash.
Browse his donors via the FEC website. It chock full of telecom, insurance, defense contractors and pharmaceutical donations.
I would like for all the CT voters to hear about it.
Electric Boats is based in Groton CT at the Submarine Base there where I went to submarine school 15 years ago before being stationed on a Los Angeles class sub. This is a great article but donating to one of the Senators from the state where your company is actually building Billion dollar nuclear submarines isn’t really that damning. It’s just common sense.
I have no love for Holy Joe and can’t wait to see Ned kick his ass all over the Thames River in CT. But I just thought I’d point this out.
All in all this is an excellent post and thank you for it.
Couple of thoughts…
First, there seems to be no will within the GOP to get any kind of handle on the mismanagement of the billions of dollars appropriated during this abominable war.
Second, how much is the war profiteering affecting - or skewing, really - the country’s economic picture. Defense contractors are making money like crazy - is the feeling that we need the war in order to maintain the perception that the economy is pumping along (forgetting for the moment the real worries about inflation).
EEK - major thunderstorm - gonna sign off before the modem blows up!
I’m curious, Matt: when was the last time Lieberman voted against a defense appropriations bill?
Hey Matt O. — GREAT POST!!!
can the graphic be resized? It’s busting the frame wide right . . .
*ilson?
They bought Anteon for 2.2 billion?? LOL, they got taken for a ride. Anteon is full of so much hot air it isnt even funny. Their lack of substance and ingenuity in IT were the main reason I left the military elearning industry a few years back. This is too funny. Anteon’s complete existence bordered around making themselves seem organized and “process driven” just like the big boys at KBR/Raytheon/SAIC/GD just to ride along on their contracts as subs…I guess it worked in the end.
First, there seems to be no will within the GOP to get any kind of handle on the mismanagement of the billions of dollars appropriated during this abominable war.
What we call “waste, fraud, and abuse”, the Republicans call “profit”.
neurophius, it is inconceivable that Joenertia ever met a military appropriation he didn’t like !
Nate, I agree with you. It was meant to get people to look at Joe’s donations. It’s full of defense contractors, some based outside of Connecticut.
I’m not suggesting he’s crooked. I’m suggesting he has a vested interest in supporting the war.
I consider these things cut from the same cloth.
1. Start a war of choice so,
2. the billions spent to enrich the military-indsutrial complex (MIC)are billions that can’t be spent on education, health care, or research into clean and renewable fuel, and
3.outsource jobs to enrich the MIC, deprive the working class of resources, and force poor young people into the military, to fight wars then,
3. Go back to step 1, (Iran, anyone?) and repeat, until once again, the citizen serves the state, and the grand experiment in democracy is over.
I fully expect the Reichstag Fire stunt to be revisited.
ck –
I’ll see what I can do.
I fully expect the Reichstag Fire stunt to be revisited.
I think they’re trying to avoid that by hyping brilliant Reichstag Fire Plots Averted! successes.
better now?
*ilson
I guess we shouldn’t feel sorry for Joe if he doesn’t, by hook or by crook, get reelected to the Senate this November. Imagine the employment opportunities that await him. Is there a law that says members of Congress can’t become lobbyists for some period of time–a year, maybe–after leaving office? No problem, I’m sure the Bush administration can find Joe a comfortable place to sit until he can become a lobbyist.
Thanks Matt O! Another outstanding article. BTW, what reason/s did the Republicans give publically for voting down the amendments?
The utter waste and abuse of the military industrial complex is staggering. The military needs to be reduced to 10% of its size.
This bloated military is consuming all the resources which are needed by the people of this nation.
Too many people buy into the “mission” of the DOD as protecting america. It does nothing of the sort… and no nation or non nation is interested in or capable of attacking and occupying this nation. The worst harm that could be done is not worth the cost of this monster the DOD.
One of the priorities for progressives is to shrink the military and dispense with the insane systems like attack nuke subs, ICBMS, naval battle groups, fighter plans, huge bombers and the list goes on and on…
Thanks for reminding us once again of this shameful waste and abuse of our trust and our taz dollars.
Wasn’t it a former GOP president and career Army officer who gave us dire warnings about the “Military-Industrial complex”. As a Democrat, I sure wish that Republican were president today. I’d hazard a guess we would not be in Iraq today if he were. And the country would be in a whole lot better shape ‘generally’, than it is.
Much Better!!! mui bien!!!
How many omnipotent being are there in the FDL universe, anyway?
after Joe has spent his mandatory one year waiting period in prayer and reflection on how best to serve his community despite the awful shellacking he got at the polls, Joe will announce his intention to become a lobbyist!
Oklahoma kiddo –
That depends on which Ike you were talking about. 1950s Ike or 1960 Ike?
While the seeds of the Vietnam War are usually rested with the Versailles Treaty after World War II, American involvement was initiated under Ike’s watch.
Toward the end of his presidency, he probably wisened up to the MIC and warned against it.
the FDL universe has just one omnipotent being but many manifestations …
Eli at 14:
What we call “waste, fraud, and abuse”, the Republicans call “profit”.
What a normal person calls “criminals, corruption and coverups”, the Repugs call “family values”.
It’s all about gettin’ as much as you can…pigs in a trough!
after Joe has spent his mandatory one year waiting period in prayer and reflection on how best to serve his community despite the awful shellacking he got at the polls, Joe will announce his intention to become a lobbyist!
Who will periodically appear on telly to undermine his former “colleagues” and give Republican talking points that extra veneer of authenticity.
it is hard to believe that jomentum hasn’t switched parties yet.
Nate, I agree with you. It was meant to get people to look at Joe’s donations. It’s full of defense contractors, some based outside of Connecticut. -Matt O
Very good point Matt.
They bought Anteon for 2.2 billion?? LOL, they got taken for a ride. Anteon is full of so much hot air it isnt even funny. Their lack of substance and ingenuity in IT were the main reason I left the military elearning industry a few years back. -Kurotenshi
Exactly what I was thinking Kuro. I remember the Anteon clowns coming to install “upgraded” systems on our boat back in the early nineties. They “state-of-the-art” technology they were peddling was a joke. Most of the ET’s (Electronics Techs) in their young 20’s on board the boat were playing with more advanced technologies in their teens on gaming consoles. The Sonar techs used to have to teach the “specialists” from Anteon how to calibrate their own gear. It was a constant running joke on board.
Eisenhower has always kept his politics close to his chest … the liberal Americans for Democratic Action thought they could get him to run as a Democrat in 1948 …
the FDL universe has just one omnipotent being but many manifestations %u2026
Firegodlake?
it is hard to believe that jomentum hasn’t switched parties yet.
He switched parties years ago. He just runs as a Dem so he can get re-elected in a blue state.
Hey Matt O –
I posted a recipe for South Tucson Green Corn Tamales yesterday, in the Pull up a Chair thread.
It was from memory (like, before you were born?) and could use some current South Tucson updating . . .
What happened to my post? I just posted a good comment that was totally constructive and it vanished?
Eli
That’s right, just because Joe isn’t in the Senate anymore won’t stop the media from using him to provide “balance” as a “Democrat”…whenever they have a wingnut on. Of course, chances are he will agree with the wingnut…
What happened to my post? I just posted a good comment that was totally constructive and it vanished?
I never have that problem.
Nate at 5:29 pm –
It was either snagged by the spam filter, or the NSA will be knocking on your door shortly . . .
That’s right, just because Joe isn’t in the Senate anymore won’t stop the media from using him to provide “balance” as a “Democrat”%u2026whenever they have a wingnut on. Of course, chances are he will agree with the wingnut%u2026
This is why I seem to be the only liberal who thinks reviving the Fairness Doctrine would be a waste of time. They’d just use tools like Joe to provide a figleaf for the Republican narrative.
Nate
Christy has explained a number of times that some comments get caught in the Spam filter without regard to their merit, and with Jane gone it’s a big job to monitor them and get them posted.
ck –
I am not any kind of authority on such things. I am a California native and only been in Tucson since 2002.
Eli
“This is why I seem to be the only liberal who thinks reviving the Fairness Doctrine would be a waste of time.”
I said virtually the same thing in a comment under the Lapdogs post. Except in that case my example of the Democrat-for-all-seasons was Joe Klein. Take your pick.
V.G. –
That’s a good question. I couldn’t find anything with quotes or reasoning behind the vote. Just quotes provided by Bob Geiger from Dorgan and Durbin.
Ok… I’ll try this again.
Nate, I agree with you. It was meant to get people to look at Joe’s donations. It’s full of defense contractors, some based outside of Connecticut. -Matt O
Good point Matt. Without these contractors, Joe’s “funding” would likely dry up fast.
They bought Anteon for 2.2 billion?? LOL, they got taken for a ride. Anteon is full of so much hot air it isnt even funny. Their lack of substance and ingenuity in IT were the main reason I left the military elearning industry a few years back. -Kurotenshi
I was thinking the same thing Kuro. The technology that Anteon was peddling back when I was on a 688 Class was a running joke on board the boat. Most of the 20-something ET’s (Electronics Techs) on board the boat had played with more advanced technology in their home gaming systems in their teens. Our ST’s (Sonar Techs) used to have to teach the “specialists” from Anteon how to calibrate their own equipment. What a joke!
Matt O –
Haven’t you partaken of the greatest food delicacy in the universe –
South Tucson Green Corn Tamales?
I said virtually the same thing in a comment under the Lapdogs post. Except in that case my example of the Democrat-for-all-seasons was Joe Klein. Take your pick.
But is he “officially” a Democrat?
(And what *is* it about Joes and Jasons these days???)
V.G. — This kind of “analysis” is all I can get from papers:
http://www.buffalonews.com/edi.....070380.asp
Same with other papers showing how senators from that state voted.
I would say he is “rumored” to be a Democrat. But it’s often hard to tell.
Nate- As a moderator I am volunteering my time and have done so for many hours most days for the past several months. Valid comments can get caught in the spam filter and have to be checked individually, with an eye to figuring out the problem. I have to say that I am getting increasingly aggravated at the demanding tone voiced by commenters when for some reason their comment does not immediately appear. It is rude and it is inconsiderate.
I just tried again and it didn’t post. This time I copied it just in case. Can I mail it in? It’s relevant as it discusses Anteon. Not sure why it would get tagged as spam though. There were no cuss words and no reference to any government agencies or such. Just a post regarding Anteon’s “state-of-the-art” (/joke) technology they were forcing on the sub fleet and how they kept buying their influence and contracts through the above mentioned government influence peddling.
Very informative post, Matt O. Senator Dorgan is also helping kick-start an excellent hearing by the Democrats tomorrow (note the postscript below).
Right in line with today’s Lapdog theme and the mention of NPR, I was just inadvertently exposed to National Propaganda Radio’s latest Weekend Edition of All Trivia Considered, and noticed a very curious development.
The only bit of non-trivia I noticed during the hour-long broadcast was presented shortly after the top-of-the-hour news update, at the beginning of the pre-recorded program. In the careful kindergarten-level voice of its hostess, we were deliberately and obviously manipulated in the midst of a correspondent’s report from Iraq about the new Reconciliation proposal just made by Iraq’s Prime Minister. Seems to me that this particular segment ought to be a case study in deceptive propaganda and information-manipulation from an untrustworthy source of “news.” Talk about Pravda, Take 2.
The female correspondent in Iraq (with either an Australian or British accent) hemmed and hawed her way, with long pauses, to the answers she gave to the questions the hostess lobbed to her. The sound quality was excellent. She could have been in the same room with the questioner. She replied at length, though in an oddly stilted manner (someone holding a gun to her head…?), to the first 2 or 3 questions. She was then asked for the reaction of the American Ambassador in Iraq to this Iraqi proposal, which the hostess declared he had been working hard to help create. Immediately the correspondent was then heard, clear as a bell, saying ‘Could you repeat the question? I didn’t hear it.’ The hostess repeated her question with less detail. The response - again, clear as a bell: ‘I have a really bad line here…’ The hostess paused, and then asked - ‘Can you hear me now, so and so?’ No answer came back. And the hostess then proceeded to tell her kindergarten listeners - ‘Obviously we lost our connection with so and so - we’ll try again later’ or words to that effect. And that was the end of that (after a few quick soundbites from the Sunday morning shows).
The problem with all this? NOTHING that NPR puts on the air as part of All Things Considered, weekday or weekend (except its regular news/stock market updates with a different announcer) is LIVE. All Things Considered is PRODUCED almost to the point of oblivion. This is especially true in their one hour of pablum-only Weekend Edition, where obviously the main censors are off duty and politics is therefore verboten. Meaning that this alleged ‘technical glitch’ from Baghdad occurred probably HOURS before they took up part of their single hour today to play it for us in all its glory, instead of simply editing it out… Further meaning that they were unable or unwilling for some reason in the intervening time period to reconnect with Baghdad to finish the conversation OR to find a statement somewhere else about the feelings of the American Ambassador regarding this Iraqi peace proposal. [Note that a program broadcast at 5 p.m. in the (eastern and then later the rest of the) U.S. is being broadcast at 2 a.m. Baghdad time — so I imagine this interview was conducted many hours beforehand, yet NPR nevertheless didn’t edit out the awkward breakdown in the interview before airing it…]
“Trust us?” I think not. A bizarre and unsettling episode, to say the least. Just another reason for me to avoid NPR, and their sickening manipulation of reality, like the plague. [I think some of the major local public radio stations need to seriously consider a united move to stop paying for these nationally-produced disinformation programs from NPR, to get the message across - the weekend news programs are almost entirely devoid of content as it is.]
P.S. FYI, C-Span3 will be covering the 1:30 p.m. hearing Monday being put together by Senate Democrats to examine pre-war intelligence — witnesses include Paul Pillar, ex-CIA, Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s ex-Chief of Staff, Carl Ford of the state department’s INR bureau, and the Sunday Times of London reporter Michael Smith who broke the Downing Street Memo story.
ck - yahoo has a report about 5 shot at a Safeway Dist. Center in Denver (sorry, I haven’t figured out how to link yet). Looks like workplace violence… there is so much of this lately.
ck –
First two years in Tucson, ate using a meal plan so I was kind of limited on choices. Plus, outside foods had to be (a) within walking distance and, (b) cheap.
Last two years is mostly nearby fast food, pasta, ramen, home-cooked pizzas, etc.
Working for under $8/hour without a car dictates my eating habits.
Nate, try refreshing the page from your browser rather than the button. I see your comment both times.
Thanks Matt- I thought perhaps you had seen more background discussion.
Valley Girl… I appreciate the response and I wasn’t trying to use a “tone” of any kind. Just very surprised because it was the first time it had happened to me. Believe me I understand the need for site monitoring and am all for it.
Please excuse me if you thought I was out of line. I was only confused and I hadn’t seen the comments regarding issues with posts being caught in the spam filter. Thanks for following up though.
nate, it will be freed by the service desk in time
the term “Democrat” can be used by anybody. if one gets elected on the Democratic Party ticket: that certify you as a Democrat no matter what your positions are. If you are registered to vote as a Democrat OR choose to vote in the Democratic Party Primary, you are legally a Democrat.
In Congress: who you vote for in that first leadership election determines your party-naming.
For future reference Valley Girl… Is there a way to reach the site monitors directly via email for questions or requests? I notice in the “contacts” page it only lists email for the principals.
Nate, you are being a pain in the butt. Your comment was released from moderation. I have no f**king idea why it got caught in the spam filter. Have you tried reloading? Seems like something a sensible person would do. Your comment IS there.
Nate, I saw your comment and it reads:
And please feel free to delete any redundant comment posts or comments I made related to site questions that aren’t on topic with the discussion including this one. Thanks again.
NATE: Chill, please! I have personally released from spam-purgatory both of your comments up into FDL Heaven. Refresh your page and scroll upwards to see both comments…
Matt O –
You are a serious student — I went to Pima College way back when. Plus, it was a lot easier to live cheaply back then.
Anyway — if you haven’t had them, get together a bunch of friends and check out the green corn tamales.
Nate - that is hilarious! I remember it took months for us just to get something as simple as Flash/Flash Server implemented into the Navy requirements so that we could offer something a little bit more interactive than the level 1-2 interactions we were offering the Navy, when they in fact needed 3-4 level interactions in order to satisfy JTA/HLA realtime requirements when training from remote locations - and all that time they were claiming to offer applications like the ones Boston Dynamics creates to train carrier based personnel(which are great, and very much akin to what gamers would expect ~ www.bostondynamics.com ). I look back upon the contract proposals and how they were beefed up in order to attain contractual awards…it was embarrassing and incredibly demoralizing for those of us that really wanted to offer something substantive to the Navy curriculum.
all the highly-trained, unionized FDL moderators got laid off this last week so FDL could buy very expensive tranquilizers for the Poodles — the exchange rate for French medicines in Euros is terrible! This place is limping along with volunteer moderators — we just aren’t as skilled as ‘the regulars’
It’s been a hot afternoon . . .
Time for a nice cool pina colada or beer or whatever for our overheated guests . . .
#7: I remember reading in grade school that the revolutionary troops loved von Steuben, but they always left out the interesting parts. So, was he really? What is the evidence?
Can’t help myself, but the Eisenhower military-industrial complex quote was mentioned, and we might as well have it hear for our reference. Along with some other dead Republican quotes.
Maybe a strategy for the corporate media is to arm Democrats with dead Republican (mostly pre Nixon quotes). Catch the media in a double bind.
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Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. […] Is there no other way the world may live?
“The Chance for Peace” - A speech given to the American Society of Newspaper Editors (16 April 1953)
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience…we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
Farewell speech as President (17 January 1961)
We stand equally against government by a plutocracy and government by a mob. There is something to be said for government by a great aristocracy which has furnished leaders to the nation in peace and war for generations; even a democrat like myself must admit this. But there is absolutely nothing to be said for government by a plutocracy, for government by men very powerful in certain lines and gifted with “the money touch,” but with ideals which in their essence are merely those os so many glorified pawnbrokers.
Letter to Sir Edward Grey (15 November 1913)
Above from Wikiquote, search for names and you will find.
It matters not how powerful the individual may be who is in the service of the State, nor how much wealth and influence there may be behind him, nor how strenuously he may be supported by “big business” and by all that has been heretofore powerful and omnipotent in our political life, if he be the representative of Southern Pacific politics, or if he be one of that class who divides his allegiance to the State with a private interest and thus impairs his efficiency, I shall attack him the more readily because of his power and his influence and the wealth behind him, and I shall strive in respect to such a one in exactly the same way as with his weaker and less powerful accomplices. I prefer, as less dangerous to society, the political thug of the water front to the smugly respectable individual in broadcloth of pretended respectability who from ambush employs and uses that thug for his selfish political gain.
Hiram Johnson, First inaugural address, 1911 (first term as CA governor)
The essential thing with him is popular passion, not a political philosophy. He has no political philosophy. He has no real convictions.
http://www.governor.ca.gov/gov.....al_23.html
A Royalst biography of Johnson
Is he dangerous? He is, only if public passion becomes dangerous and only up to the point where the speakers of revolution pass from the stage and the doers of it rig up their chopping blocks.
http://www.publicbookshelf.com.....hn_ba.html
#69: very expensive tranquilizers for the Poodles
And nothing for the moderators? See where the real power lies. Anyone with a blog better treat the poodle reeeallll well.
Ok everybody… I don’t know how to be MORE sorry than I already am. Contrite, apologetic and asking for forgiveness. I was never trying to be rude or insulting in any way. I was just surprised so I asked a question about what happened.
-I love FDL!
-I think this is a superb post!
-I’m proud to have been able to comment on it with a tiny bit of first hand knowledge!
-I think the ‘crew’ here is absolutely Top Shelf!
-And I’m ALL FOR stringent monitoring of the threads…
So I’m metaphorically down on my knees begging forgiveness and hoping you all don’t have a bad impression of me! :-)
Pretty, pretty please forgive my impertenance and unfamiliarity with Wordpress commenting. If you need validation of my bonafides please ask JA at C&L about me.
oh, Schiess. Preview is not working here so I have an excuse. Read bottom of #70 as
It matters not how powerful the individual may be who is in the service of the State, nor how much wealth and influence there may be behind him, nor how strenuously he may be supported by “big business” and by all that has been heretofore powerful and omnipotent in our political life, if he be the representative of Southern Pacific politics, or if he be one of that class who divides his allegiance to the State with a private interest and thus impairs his efficiency, I shall attack him the more readily because of his power and his influence and the wealth behind him, and I shall strive in respect to such a one in exactly the same way as with his weaker and less powerful accomplices. I prefer, as less dangerous to society, the political thug of the water front to the smugly respectable individual in broadcloth of pretended respectability who from ambush employs and uses that thug for his selfish political gain.
Hiram Johnson, First inaugural address, 1911 (first term as CA governor)
http://www.governor.ca.gov/gov.....naugural_2 3.html
From a Royalst biography of Johnson
The essential thing with him is popular passion, not a political philosophy. He has no political philosophy. He has no real convictions.
Is he dangerous? He is, only if public passion becomes dangerous and only up to the point where the speakers of revolution pass from the stage and the doers of it rig up their chopping blocks.
http://www.publicbookshelf.com.....gton/hiram john_ba.html
Eisenhower was a loud and proud LIBERAL — he was promoted by FDR, who saw his potential, and made the most of it.
When FDR died, the first copy of LIFE Magazine had Ike on the cover — no article, just the cover photo. Do you think Henry Luce might have had an ulterior motive?
It’s okay, Nate — you were just a little over heated there . . .
OT - Tester/Burns debate on C-SPAN (repeat)
10:00 PM EDT tonight.
We have to understand that the Republican party as we now know it does not believe in this government or its institutions. In the nineties, because of their limited access, they were bent on limiting or minimizing it. Now that they’ve had a taste of the money, its bigger than ever. But all it is to them is a vehicle for power and profit.
Once we understand this, we will no longer be bewildered by Congress’ abdication of its oversight responsibilities or the rampant corruption. It’s what these people want. It’s how they operate.
Expecting a Republican Congress to investigate war profiteering is like expecting a bank robber to put the money back. Of course, people of good will would return the money, except people of good will don’t rob banks.
Cozumel - Thanks! Been looking for it.
Nate, sorry but Kobe does not think you are contrite enough and has told the Markos flunky -no bones for you anymore. You are banished from the Realm of Left Thought. The Iron Door is Closed.
But, hey, so what? You make a good point about the practical politics of being a Senator in a state with large naval shipyards and facilities. But for other commenters, what that has to do with supporting the war in Iraq is beyond me. Not too many subs depend on that war. Lieberman can’t use that as any kind of excuse. Seems untterly unrelated to me.
Anyway, the CT shipyards *build* stuff, that actually *works* most of the time. What does that have to do with Bushco Iraq logistics philosophy?
ck #74: you saying Eishenhower running as a Republican was tactics, after too much Dem presidents?
I agree that the Corporate-Military complex is Way out of control in proportion to the other ’sectors’ of the economy, i.e. Education, health, etc.
However, your average worker in defense, there are alot of them, is not a fatcat. If lets say, he/she takes home a $1000 a week, it All goes immediately back into the economy. Most Americans have a negative savings rate. Bottom line is that defense worker’s paychecks fuel local economies, and that’s why some people support Corporate-Military Complex spending, even when a little voice in their heads occasionally says it’s nuts in the long run for the country’s best interest.
Cut off defense spending suddenly and local economies would collapse.
Reminds me of the joke about the old farmer who was told to install indoor plumbing by the Building Code Officer, for the good of the public safety, after using his Out House for 75 years. So he finally stopped using his Out House so he could start enjoying his new indoor plumbing and a week later his well when dry.
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OK, Nate - I’m sending you to the cafeteria for a cookie. But first, stop by the nurses office to get your anti-KingpinKosophobia vaccination. And no crying.
And to all moderators, especially the most talented Valley Girl, we love and appreciate you more than you’ll ever know. Thanks for all you do for us.
in fact, the Occupation of Iraq diverts resources away from naval expenditures — submarines dont work too far up the Euphrates River …
#81: true, but same thing could be said for building sidewalks, schools and training programs for ex-felons. The money will cycle back. And something useful for economic productivity will result. So actually the above would be better. Can you say that about the next Osprey (which is still being funded, last I heard, is that right?) Or the next $80,000 a year private Iraq security guard they hire?
actually Nate was just trying to show how properly rabid and venemous he could get — welcome to FDL !
Nate- it has just been a terribly hard few weeks at FDL. Christy is stretched to her limits with Jane being gone, and everyone is obviously upset about the death of Jane’s mother. And, once people got the idea that there might be some extra help behind the scenes in the form of volunteer moderators, people became more demanding. Plus, they were being rude to each other and getting into trivial fights. It really has been quite wearing for me, at least, and my patience has worn pretty thin. I try to do my best. Both Jane and Christy have commented several times of the past months that sometimes they can’t see why particular comments are caught in the spam filter. Obviously, for everyone’s benefit, it would be the best if the spam filter was perfectly tuned. Frankly, I think that the WP options for this are fairly primitive. And, by the way, the there is a huge amount of spam. At the same time we are looking at discussion comments we are also trying to catch spam that has slipped through the filters. The spammers are always one step ahead. The fact that FDL is pretty much spam free is not just a happy concidence. I trust that explains a bit more fully why I reacted as I did.
The moderation here is excellent, a thankless task done wonderfully. When time permits at appropriate opportunity, I agree with commenter who wanted to see what you have to filter out. VG: that is not a suggestion for you, so don’t get mad. But if I am moderator any time, I would probably record them, if it is possible.
If any moderators feel unloved, I could try it for a post. After being banned from ever doing it again, no other moderator would ever get any complaints.
ck –
As I was reading your comment, the power at my house cut out for 2 seconds and I had to restart the computer. Did you have similar difficulties?
I think its a lightning storm by way of monsoon out right now.
Matt O…
What you say is true re: the Treaty of V. And it WAS during Ike’s tenure that American involvement in Nam began, with advisors. And who knows what else. Things were different then though. Even New Deal FDR types feared Russia and China and it seemed that most everyone in the ’50’s and ’60’s subscribed to the domino theory and endorsed American response to the cold-war. But given what we now have roaming the White House, I’d have to say “I like Ike”. Shoot, I’d be just as comfortable with Hoover, as I am with Bush. Actually, I think I’d take 50’s or 60’s Ike right now. Great post! As usual.
And *ilson46201…33
I know exactly what you mean about Ike’s close to the vest ideology. And certainly agree with you. But compared to what now occupies the presidency, I’d take Ike in a heartbeat precisely because of his seemingly un-attachment to political dogma.
when Roosevelt was starting the Atom Bomb project, he called in the Chair of the Appropriations Cmte who was from Tennessee. FDR asked if he could hide in the budget this rather expensive project. The answer: “Sure! Where in Tennessee do you want to hide it?” Thus we got Oak Ridge …
ck –
I will have to try them. I like trying new tastes.
E*ward Teller’s made a valid point, without mentioning the underlying truth –
The Alaska Bridges To Nowhere are only pork barrel boondoggles, because the GOP has made government spending the enemy.
If we taxed the hell out of all the GOoPer donors that are trying to repeal the Estate Tax, we could have our Electric Boat Yards AND Bridges to Nowhere!!!
meta- thanks. I’ve been doing this for quite a while in relative obscurity until Jane outed me, with thanks. A certain other person here is a much more recent recruit, and still seems to have his sense of humor intact. Please step forward if you wish to take a bow, Mr. X.
just call me “V”