
Supremacist Fantasies on Film
Today's Washington Post tells us:
As fighting in Afghanistan has intensified over the past three months, the U.S. military has conducted 340 airstrikes there, more than twice the 160 carried out in the much higher-profile war in Iraq, according to data from the Central Command, the U.S. military headquarters for the Middle East.
But for me, the money quote is here:
The enemy in Afghanistan is "adaptive" and "very smart," Freakley said. One tactic they have used lately to counter U.S. dominance in the air is to withdraw, when fighting, into compounds where civilians are located, which has resulted in civilian deaths in two sets of airstrikes near Kandahar.
That's asymmetric warfare. Although some asymmetric wars can be won, they cannot be won without the support of local populations. The people of India kicked the British Empire's asses out, even if the British did win the key battle depicted in the film Gunga Din, notably, through the assistance of a local collaborator (depicted in racist tones as a doggedly loyal turbaned lackey).
The U. S. cannot win its current fight against terrorist cells operating within civilian populations militarily, and yet the entire Bushco foreign policy is staked on the notion that it can. Stock market bubbles burst. The idea that America's current strategy can win is a bubble. Start selling short. Remember, there is no actual "war on terror."
Karl Rove wants to squeak out one more election cycle victory using the false "War on Terror" before the bubble bursts, but I doubt events will be kind to him. Americans are catching on. Sadly, Democrats as a whole lack the spittle to call this bullshit for what it is, nervously scanning the polls to find the American people are catching on, yet not at all clear about the magnitude of our folly or what to do next. So be it. It's left to us to lead and tell the truth.
2500 is not just a number. More ominously, our real enemies are growing stronger while we pour away our blood and treasure in Bin Laden's international recruiting and training program (Iraq, Afghanistan). Osama does not need a new base camp: he can train his people against our sons and daughters while we finance the whole thing. What could be better for Al Qaeda? What's more, the supremacist, "clash of civilizations" mindset underpinning our policies proves to people around the world we really are at war with Islam. Bush could not have failed more if he had selected Osama to design his foreign policy, instead of Deadeye Dick Cheney.
The mythology of the British Empire, the subject of Rudyard Kipling's poem "Gunga Din," was founded on racist fantasies of a white man's burden. So too, the "War on Terror," clash of civilizations crowd believes Western Whitey must subjugate the Barbarian Brown Moslem Horde through force and conversion to (Christianist) democracy (see also American conservative racism on display in the right's obsession with brown people crossing our southern border).
But Bushco cannot win people over to democracy, because democracy by its nature requires persuasion, not B-1 bombers. Like Gandhi, we in the grass roots know all too well that promoting democracy requires inspiration, not subjugation. The torture-tainted reign of Buscho and the Republican party has forfeited its ability to inspire internationally. There can be no return to true American strength until Democrats take over, call bullshit on our current policy and proceed to set our own moral and economic house in order. The only positive future for America is a progressive future.
The "War on Terror" crowd likes to bring up Japan as an exception, so let's address that. Japan was a defeated state, a wannabe empire, isolated internationally. There were no Japanese people outside of Japan to come to Japan's aid. It was surrounded by enemies. We had a huge ratio of conquering forces on the ground relative to total population size, something we cannot begin ever to match in Iraq (we had the same in Germany, which had a history of democracy on which to draw as it rebuilt its society). Japanese society was a homogeneous one accustomed to top-down social and political organization. These conditions made it possible to enact the visionary, Democrat-designed Marshall Plan for rebuilding and recovery, but we have abandoned any rebuilding in Iraq, because the people of Iraq won't accept anything we attempt to do. They want to build their societies themselves.
Iraq is a heterogeneous, sectarian powder keg formed as a state arbitrarily by colonialist forces. Its ethnic diversity and ethnic and religious allies within the region give each internal faction natural allies uninterested in a unified, diversified Iraqi state. No one in the neighborhood wants Iraq to become a model for democracy or harmonious pluralism. We cannot begin to approach the number of boots on the ground required to sustain order the way we did in Japan.
Every civilian we kill recruits many more enemies. The Japan example is an historical exception, not applicable to Iraq. The better parallel is to India, and India did not survive British rule as a unified state. Iraq is even more riven by sectarian division than India was. The only question about our Iraq policy is how long we will insist on weakening our military before accepting these blunt, expensive, deadly realities.
Make no mistake: the bubble is already bursting, though our establishment media and certainly our government officials are the last ones to accept this truth. There's a great opening for Democrats to begin to tell the American people the truth, though I understand their reluctance: the first truth tellers will be blamed and savaged for telling us what many people do not want to hear. That work, therefore, falls to us progressive patriots. As ever, citizen patriots must step up to lead, because we love America and the values that have always made us strong.
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I notice the WP, NY Times, etc are trying to ignore the new violence in Iraq. Kinda destroys their ‘Bush on a roll’ meme, I guess. They want to write that Bush is having a comeback so badly, they are willing to ignore reality.
Murtha was great on MTP btw. Loved how he went after Rove and his big, fat backside. Snort.
Great post. There is no “War on Terror”. It’s a fraud being perpetrated on America. Instead, the US is slowly but surely losing two wars of occuption in Afghanistan and Iraq. And when the curtain falls down, like it did on the USSR, it’s going to be ugly.
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Inspireing post as usual, Pach
Particullary when Osama gave us the game plan that he used on the USSR. How really stupid do you think it is when the plan worked to take down the USSR that it would not work on the good old USA.
Pach…GREAT post….again repeat…repeat…repeat…
THERE IS NO WAR ON TERRUH
Karl Rove says there is, but how can you trust someone who is a TRAITOR to our national security, Karl Rove outed a covert CIA operations officer to continue his false WAR ON TERRUH.
Karl Rove is also a draft dodger, who LIED on his application for his 3rd deferment during the Vietnam War, where we lost tens of thousands of our brave national heroes. How can a draft dodger tell our Heroes like John Murtha and John Kerry how a war should be fought.
Oh I Love Gunga Din ! Cary and Doug Jr. are just so a babe-a-licious it’s impossible to resist. Pauline kael pointed out it was basically a reworking of The Front Page.
In any event the REAL movie analogy to keep in mind here is Lawrence of Arabia.
No Dubbya isn’t T.E. Lawrence (evben though Gucky thinks he is) but the situation among the various groups is Plus ca change. . .
There is no war in Iraq. There is an occupation.
I’d agree with most of this analysis, but I’d just mention that the pre-WWII German experience with democracy was quite thin, consisting only of the very weak Weimar Republic which the Nazis had swept aside without much trouble.
Pach’s main point, that we are extremely unlikely to sucessfully impose a healthy western-style democracy in Iraq, is solid. Brzezinski in a recent interview called the goal of establishing a friendly democracy in Iraq a “fantasy” which is probably too nice a description.
This is the point Dems should try to absorb. As bad as things are in Iraq, they are only likely to get worse going forward. Time to come out in favor of the truth. This war was a hideous mistake, and being against it isn’t a political risk, long term. The politically risky thing is to NOT be against it. Quit temporizing and make your stand.
From EPU land:
Pach — Accept Du’s anger. I assume it was directed at all of us, not you alone.
I suspect the primary reason that the Dems cannot articulate a story line counter to the Rove/Bush story line on Iraq is that the only true counter story is the one just articulated by Du. From that perspective, everything else is just illusion, and political opportunism.
The picture he paints is one that most Americans would find profoundly offensive, not just at a personal level but also from one’s sense of national indentity. It just defies human nature to accept such a self portrait, even in abstract terms; it’s hard to accept that everything you’ve been taught and assumed to be true about Americans, America’s role in the world, and what others must think of us is just fundamentally upside down. Indeed, how could any nation accept such a critique, internalize it, and begin to comprehend its ethical implications without suffering from a complete pyschological breakdown? It’s like being told that every thing you believe is, in essence, pathologically criminal.
I’m certain that much could be said to show that his view is only half the story, the worst half, and there is much good from which to build. That is my hope. But the problem that America faces, and that we pose to the world, is that there is no peaceable model for how a nation faces itself and finally sees itself as others see it. It took a total and crushing military defeat for the Germans, for example, to begin to realize that the image many had of themselves, that justified their wars and that accepted or ignored the holocaust, was fundamentally evil, and that they, like all of us, have a dark side that is capable of such horrors, especially if we allow ourselves to be led by unscrupulous demogogues. America is almost there now, and collectively we are as blind as they were then.
The “debate” in Congress this week is a clear sign that this country is not yet capable of self perception in any meaningful sense. And there are no leaders, in any party, and any forum, or any media (with the possible exception of a few blogs) who appear to be capable of holding up an accurate mirror.
I fear we are in for a long, dark period, and so far, I see little that will lead us toward a new enlightenment. In meantime, each us has to be a small candle, and we should watch for each other.
Thanks to Du for caring enough to hold up this mirror, and I hope he will one day come to forgive us, and that we earn it.
Demonization is the key to their power.
It’s certainly true that
the first truth tellers will be blamed and savaged for telling us what many people do not want to hear.
In fact, demonization is pretty much all they have, or have ever had going for them. It’s why their policy is such a miserable failure–because (unlike criminal profilers, who actually catch psychopathic killers) they have no idea what makes our enemies tick or what makes them attractive to others who aren’t fully in agreement, but will support those enemies if we drive them to it. Demonization is utterly incapable of producing an effective foreign policy. But it damn sure can scare the spineless wonders of Versailles.
So, really, the fight is up to us. The Versailles Dems are not our allies, and it’s pure foolishness waiting for them to act like what they are not. We need to break the back of demonizaiton ourselves. No one else is going to do it for us.
Ann Coulter = Karl Rove = George Bush = Your Local GOP Rep
They are all one beast. The have had all the time in the world to get their house in order. And this is the order they have chosen.
Bring it on.
The problem for the MSM with the “phony war on terror” counter-narrative is that it undermines the “Daddy Bush protectin’ us skeered ‘Murkans” narrative.
In fact, it implicitly invokes the “Bush is a liar, the Bush Administration are traitors, and the Bush Administration is the real enemy of the American State” narrative.
And the MSM can’t have that — so it’s “three Hail Bushes, our steadfast leader” and pass the cocktail weenies.
But The Phony War on Terror might be a flex point — as in, a sounbite as the point of the narrative spear that could bring down the whole rotten edifice.
scarecro* 10 has just written exactly what I think but could not say half so well.
Thank you, scarecro*.
Good point about Japan and Germany, Pachacutec, but you forgot to mention one other thing that made Japan easier to occupy - the Allies had killed many of their military age men and destroyed many of their cities. Thanks to the established order in Japanese society, when they were defeated they were defeated as a society. In Iraq, we only defeated the army and Saddam. We didn’t get any of the psychological benefit of defeating a society, and Iraq, like most middle eastern countries, has a very young population.
Psycologically, my guess is they’re not a defeated people, and as with any society where the young predominate, they would be somewhat troublesome no matter who was in charge.
Not a few Americans feel our flag should be flying over Mecca. I understand because of this, coupled with our illegal invasion of a sovereign country all Americans are stained. Presidentially authorized torture, use of mercenaries and the recruiting of terrorists (MEK) to destabilize Iran are what America represents.
And the Eagle feasts on carrion.
as with any society where the young predominate, they would be somewhat troublesome no matter who was in charge
This does, of course, apply to every country in the Middle East and SW Asia, except possibly Israel.
There’s hell to pay for all those dictators and royal families, and their American benefactors and/or allies. Look out. We ain’t seen nothin’ yet, and the bill is about to be presented.
We won’t win in either Iraq or Afghanistan, because the solutions are not military but Bush government can only respond militarily. America, as a country, is blinded by our immense military power. Too bad we’ve gotten ourselves into wars that aren’t about firepower. Along the lines of Rumsfeld’s reported comment about making the rubble bounce in Afghanistan, we can’t bomb or shell our way out of these disasters.
Recent-history examples of how and why we’re going to lose in both places (unless radical policy changes are made) include the Soviet loss in Afghanistan, our loss in Vietnam, the French loss in Vietnam and the Finnish defeat of the Soviets in the Winter War of 1939-1940. It was the Finns, by the way, that brought the world the Molotov Cocktail, named after the Soviet general who led the invasion of Finland. How’s that for a legacy of asymmetrical warfare?
Let’s not get too intellectual. A co-worker told me the other day that people comparing Iraq to Vietnam were stoopid. “Vietnam was a jungle, Iraq is a desert–no comparison.” I shit you not!
Paul Rosenberg:
Nice to see you in these parts!
Oilfieldguy — yes, “Vietnam is a jungle.” That did not stop us from trying to turn its jungles into deserts, by using agent orange and other defoliants, not to mention the 25-ft deep, 50 ft wide pockmarks left by the B-52 carpet bombings. I walked through these man-created “deserts” and the only difference was the stifling humidity.
I like the ‘phony war on terror’ meme.
Oilfieldguy @ 11:47 am (#18) - Yes, we really are becoming too intellectual as a society. Some of us go and look at maps before we make those kinds of statements. Iraq is swampy in the south and mountainous in the north. It used to be a lot swampier, in fact, before Saddam blocked off the water.
Here’s a tip for such conversations next time. You can agree by observing that the Vietcong wore pajamas and the Ayrabs wear towels on their heads - completely different.
OT - If anyone wants to see the Sandra Bernhard thing from the View it’s on YouTube here: (watch for the little twit at the end, flailing hopelessly to defend Laura Bush)
http://tinyurl.com/ljqvx
I admit this is copied/pasted out of another site. (actually, how I got pointed here) — informative…
…”the Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, opened its annual conference on international strategy with a speech from the Navy Secretary in a vast hall, followed by a panel on American power composed of three scholars, all of whom had opposed the war in Iraq. Indeed, in the biographical notes that were given out to the audience of officers%u2014men and women wearing their dress whites%u2014one of the scholars stated bluntly that he had written about the “folly of invading Iraq.”
For an hour the panelists gave their reasons for why they believe America will remain the most powerful country in the world well into this century, regardless of the morass in Iraq. There were about ten questions. The last one was from a Navy commander named Cladgett from Syracuse, who rose in the middle of the audience.
“My question to the panel is, What is the path to success in Iraq?”
There was a damburst of laughter in the audience, then the scholars took it on, one by one. The first, Stephen Walt of Harvard, said “This was a huge strategic blunder, there are no attractive plans forward.” The greatest danger%u2014an international conflict in Iraq%u2014would be there no matter when we left. The next man, Robert Art of Brandeis, said, he thought it was extremely important for America’s image in the Arab world not to have permanent bases in Iraq.
The last one to speak was the one who had used the word “folly” in the program: John J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago. Mearsheimer is 58. He told the audience that when he was a teenager, he had enlisted in the Army. Then he’d spent 1966-1970 at West Point. Then he said this:
I remember once in English class we read Albert Camus’s book The Plague. I didn’t know what The Plague was about or why we were reading it. But afterwards the instructor explained to us that The Plague was being read because of the Vietnam War. What Camus was saying in The Plague was that the plague came and went of its own accord. All sorts of minions ran around trying to deal with the plague, and they operated under the illusion that they could affect the plague one way or another. But the plague operated on its own schedule. That is what we were told was going on in Vietnam. Every time I look at the situation in Iraq today, I think of Vietnam, and I think of The Plague, and I just don’t think there’s very much we can do at this point. It is just out of our hands. There are forces that we don’t have control over that are at play, and will determine the outcome of this one. I understand that’s very hard for Americans to understand, because Americans believe that they can shape the world in their interests.
But I learned during the Vietnam years when I was a kid at West Point, that there are some things in the world that you just don’t control, and I think that’s where we’re at in Iraq.
The panel was over. For a moment or two there was stunned silence, and then applause%u2014at once polite, sustained and thunderous.”
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http://mondoweiss.observer.com.....lague.html
apologies if it repeats any other previously posted. was outta the lake for a bit.
There are two ways to win an asymmetrical war — hearts and minds, or corpses and rubble.
Since 80% of the Iraqi people want us to leave, and most Americans (BushCo excluded) are horrified at the prospect of genocide, it’s time to find the least harmful way out of Iraq.
Never liked Gunga Din. An extremely racist movie.
Kipling right? Ahh. The white man’s burden.
Just coming in from work.
Ring of Fire is on AAR streaming right now, http://www.airamericaradio.com
Talking about bringing law suits in Ohio and against Diebold. I heard some of it yesterday and it was intriguing.
listen in and help us all understand
The way I explain the situation in Iraq is a lot like my oldest son growing from a teenager to an adult. My ex was a super controller type and we divorced when my son was 17. He went form controlling every aspect to his life to what he considered none, so he went into a “girls gone wild” stage. Eventually something occured, the 2×4 of the law hit him upside the head and knocked him into adulthood. Now he is a great Dad with two young girls and a great marriage.
Iraq was controlled by Saddam, super control freek, then the US invades and there is a preception (or reality) of no control. It is “girls gone wild” but where is the 2×4?
The problem is that the USA blew it when there was the chance to gain control and exercise disipline. Was it intential so that the “Big Rip Off” could occur or was it just BushCo Think Tank kids running a country when then did not know how to balance their own checkbooks?
So it is the same decision when you have that older car. Do you keep pouring money to keep the beater going or do you suck it up and buy a new one?
Murtha is right, it is stay and pay…. or learn from our lessons and make an exit stage left?
Ditto Cujo: youth and unemployment and poverty issues - a big headache for anyone in charge
I can’t remember who posted the link to the Globe article on the detainee witnesses, but I’m going to repost it here.
http://www.boston.com/news/wor.....witnesses/
The administration, in response to court rulings, was forced to make some kind of determination - that was supposed to be based on some evidence and hearing/tribunal of some kind - of whether they had misidentified detainees as enemy combatants. The detainees were not allowed to have a lawyer and as a result probably didn’t even understand what the significance of participating or not participating might be. The story talks about, not the current handful (10 or so??) of hearings that were supposed to be going on now, but rather about “Combatant Status REview” tribunals from earlier and how detainee’s requests for exculpatory witnesses and statements were handled.
They give several examples of the kinds of people our military said they “could not find” and they also to take one of the detainees who was told none of 4 his witnesses could be located and, in a matter of days, they proceed to locate the three living witnesses and get the information for the 4th dead witness.
Well researched, investigated, and to the point story.
In one case, the State Department said that it could not locate Ismail Khan , the well-known minister of energy in Afghan president Hamid Karzai’s cabinet, who meets frequently with American diplomats.
In another case, tribunal officials said they could not contact a prisoner in US custody in Bagram, Afghanistan, because the US officials holding him failed to respond to their inquiries.
One of the witnesses that they found for their test case detainee - a man no one in our administration could find - former Afghan Interior Minister Ahmed Ali Jalali
How did the Globe reporters find him? . . . with one call to the Interior Ministry. And they also mention that little known, ultra secret investigative tool - Google. A quick Google search would have also located him: He is in Washington, D.C., teaching at the National Defense University
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Well, while we’re here trying to think clearly, Rumsfeld’s busy ordering 15,000 more troops into Iraq, says RawStory.
An All in the Family quiz for Father’s Day:
Here’s the money quote from the Thomas Ricks article in the WaPo:
Was Mr. Blackton referring to:
(a) The Taliban?
(b) The Republicans?
(c) Both?
If you had to pause to consider your answer, what does that tell you?
Who is our moderator today?
Murtha did indeed kick ass this morning.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13296235/
For yet more perspective - tack on the LATimes op ed piece by Carol Williams, one of the reporters recently kicked off Guantanomo.
http://www.latimes.com/news/op.....t-opinions
Read about a prior mass suicide attempt at Gitmo — it was heavily covered (not) in the press here.
Some props to reporters who are fighting the information wars for sunshine.
Some headshaking for a media that, in general, is not rallying the troops to protect and advocate for those who bring some sunshine to the dark corners of this administration.
Do we need one Oilfieldguy?
We need all the Oilfieldguys we kin git!
katymine –
We (mostly) don’t need a playground monitor, but the Word Press comment software needs a get-out-of-moderation-jail moderator.
I posted a comment that vanished. It referred to an attack made on Jane, CHS, and indeed all FDLer “flying monkeys”. I identified the blogger, who has been banned from this site and others. Maybe the moderator does not want to give this blogger any traffic. I feel it deserves some response.
~~OFG- I did delete the posts- I made that call bec. I thought it would just give that person extra attention. Long history. Started at FDL by attacking JH and CHS for FDL not posting on Jill Carroll (FDL had) and eventually being very abusive. But the person’s own blog spot actually had NO practical suggestions as to how to apply pressure for her release- just ranting. Folks at FDL actually gave a lot of practical suggestions, by contrast. But the abuse just kept coming. Anyway, judgement call here-hope you understand. A moderator~~
A country that runs on oil depends on thousands of oilfieldguys, but we probably have the best one, here.
I can lead people to the site without mentioning the bloggers name. I will not do so until I hear what the owners of this site feel about it.
OFG, it’s visible to me as #27 @ 12:11 p.m.
OFG:
I don’t think a response is needed. People do stuff like this to draw attention.
OFG — that blogger was banned for offending just about everyone. He doesn’t need attention, but that’s what he’s seeking. IMO, let it go.
Been called worse. A flying monkey.
Flying Monkey Lake?
Feeding the Trolls or smacking them down or linking to their sites earns them points for the official GOoPer cooler they’ve been jonesin’ for.
I’m copying the post at 136, last thread, in case somebody can help:
“My system’s blocking me from opening the PDF file%u2026 Help>> Can someone please post it. Also the Washington Post is linking to FDL as a blog talking about the Father’s Day in Iraq article.”
OFG — Sorry, just got back from the store. You wanna e-mail me with the info? ReddHedd AT AOL dot Com.
I must de-lurk..
Oilfieldguy your 41
Since when do they get to decide what we can read?
I’d like to believe there was more substance to the “debate” in the House than was reported in the MSM. Something that would confirm Pach’s view that the “bubble is bursting” for at least some. I was out of country till Friday; was there good coverage of substantive issues, with hints of a counter-view, anywhere, outside of C-SPAN? I saw only the brief references to Pelosi and Murtha.
OFG,
thanks for taking up the Occupation meme upthread
you do not spend billions buidling bases so large they come w/car dealerships and Burger Kings - unless you plaN t/b an occupying force for a long, long time
Preachin’ to the choir I know, but
The GWOT meme has been successful in covering up so much b/c of the W in GWOT - Americans like to ‘win’ their wars - and the Dems aren’t saying shit b/c they can’t figure out how to get out of the ‘wants to lose’ corner they’ve been painted in
Am I a simp to believe that calling it an Occupation could get them out of the corner and give our fellow Americans (less the 20%) ‘permission” to get excised over the day to day tragedy ?
STOP CALLING IT A WAR, - IT’S AN OCCUPATION ! ! !
This is a tough read, but in view of scarecro*’s post referencing the difficulty America has in looking inward, I thought it appropriate. It is well worth reading the entire article, imho.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
With the sun finally preparing to set on the British Empire, the days of conquest and expansion dawned for the nascent American Empire. Pathologically hubristic notions like Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism served to dehumanize indigenous people to justify invasion, theft and murder as acts of necessity to bring civilization to “primitives”.
(snip)
The Bush Regime’s launch of the Project for the New American Century with the invasion of Iraq was not really out of character for the United States. While it was certainly executed with more blatant disregard for international law than America’s previous imperial endeavors, it typifies the American sanctimonious belief that it can do no wrong.
George Bush was simply reiterating America’s long-standing mendacious rationale for its exploitative behavior when he stated:
“What I’m trying to suggest to you that this program is a part of a strategic goal, and that is to protect this country in the short-term and protect it in the long-term by spreading freedom.”
Consider some of the freedoms the United States is spreading:
1. Freedom to work under miserable conditions for a pittance.
2. Freedom to exist in an environment permeated with depleted uranium.
3. Freedom to sell precious resources to soulless multinational corporations at garage sale prices.
4. Freedom to experience a Kafkaesque nightmare including arrest with no charges, no trial to determine guilt or innocence, the endurance of torture, and indefinite detention.
5. Freedom to realize the inherent inferiority of one’s culture, religion, and language, and to cast them aside like sacks of rank-smelling garbage.
6. Freedom to be maimed or killed if one dares to reject the “gifts” of these freedoms.
http://www.informationclearing.....e13655.htm
If that’s how you see it pach, I will desist. I am a pugilist by nature, and defending the honor of Ms. Hamsher, who is caring for her ill mother rates a cheater-pipe shampoo in my book. However, I am more part-time here than most others. I will hold off on this fight until someone says sick’em.
I thought I was just in the “bad kids” corner that when I post a comment the name bar is hot pink for a while until the window is refreshed a few times.
For some clear headed thoughts on asymetrical warfare try John Robb over at Global Guerrillas; he is waaaaay ahead of all the “consultants” and “pundits”
Always an interesting read & also note the John Boyd stuff
“The bond of our common humanity is stronger than the divisiveness of our fears and prejudices.” - James Carter
Awwwwww. Jurassic Dork has a crush on Jane. Isn’t that sweet. It was really nice of him to publish his little hit piece when her mother is gravely ill. What a classy guy!
Naw, katymine — that’s just FDL’s way of giving us a “vanity plate” we can enjoy until the next time we hit Refresh Page.
Steve Gilliard has a partial transcription of the WaPo PDF —
http://stevegilliard.blogspot......ghdad.html
CHS,
you have mail.
I still can’t see the post where I identified the blogger.
katymine — the hotpink merely means that NSA is scanning your post for links to bad people. The longer is stays there, the more they find. Welcome to the “bad kids” corner.
I’m new here but I like the highlighted pink comments because you can scroll up to your place to see if you’ve gotten a response. Ha, no-one really has responded to me much… but it could happen! :)
In all fairness, I haven’t said much. LOL
OFG- did you notice that a moderator comment has been added to an earlier comment of yours?
Oilfieldguy — it likely got caught in the SPAM filter or pulled because, if it is about who I think it is, there are reasons about which I will elaborate by e-mail. But, trust me, there are reasons…
Blank K 12:06
Great link and excerpt. “I understand that’s very hard for Americans to understand, because Americans believe that they can shape the world in their interests” partly (in a cleaned up sanitized no-war crimes version) du’s point from below.
Just to give everyone a taste of what it is like in Iraq… it is day 3 with out AC in Phoenix for me. Predicted to be 110 today. It is 90 inside and 106 outside.
I am on the emergency list for repair but they do not expect anyone to respond until Monday or tuesday.
Thank you for letting me whine…
Oilfieldguy –
I used to joke that if I met Rush Limbaugh in a dark alley, the only question was whether my fists or his face would get out of traction first.
Not anymore — now, it would just be a homicide report.
Not that I’m threatening anyone, but these fuckers piss me off like nothing in my entire life.
posted to quick, meant to add:
Except it leaves off the part where we seem to not only believe we can, but that we are entitled
There’s a War Alright
and the Yee-Hawdists can all but claim victory
War On US Treasury
War On US Military Resources
War On Infrastructure Security
War On US Reputation as a Defender of Human Rights
War On Science
War On Research & Development
WarAnnihilation of Our Manufacturing Baseand JFC,
War On Our Constitution
eat my monkey
Wingnuts come here and throw bombs and get disruptive so we have a moderator to filter stuff. Sometimes it works good and sometimes not so much. For instance if I were to start calling you a bunch of hateful names, i would get one warning. There is no second. We try to stay civilized. That does not stop being criticized though, if it is done about reasoning, not, for instance, excessively long nosehairs.
it’s almost midnight in Baghdad right now so the temperature is down to 93ºF … most likely the electricity is out so there’s no air-conditioning …
“Jurassic Dork”
Thanks for the clue ; ) I just found the site and read it. That idiot got away with blogwhoring here for MONTHS.
OT except as to “you have mail” —
Can anyone explain something I’ve often wondered about: why, though email is usually delivered within seconds, sometimes it takes hours? Last night I had dinner with a golf buddy and asked what our Tuesday tee-time will be. She said, “lotus, 1:30! I emailed you that this morning!”
“No, you didn’t.”
“Yes, I did.”
Well, she had — but I couldn’t know that because it never got here until probably just about the same time as our conversation — 7:34 PM.
Whattup widdat?
Thanks Blank Kludge for that.
John J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago– the man so very many have tried to smear. wow.
Who are the people that communicate with Dubhaltach and markfromireland? We’ve got a lot of ill feelings and misunderstandings here.
VG
No moderator comment. I refreshed the page thinking that would help, it prolly wiped the mod com.
CHS
I thought it was something like that. My insticts were right then not to disclose how I came to that blog. Hopefully the directions I gave you were sufficient. Also VG, you were mentioned. That’s a trifecta fuckup in my book.
(chomping at the bit)
ck # 57
this is a chilling segment…..
I see visions of evacuations from rooftops with helecopters with people holding on to the landing skids….. visions of …. oh wait that was Vietnam wasn’t it?
If Embassy employees think the situation is so dire on the ground to discuss evacuation plans it is more of a mess than we all think.
Lotus: mail involves 4 computers
1. Yours
2. Your mail server/connector
3. Their mail server/connector
4. Their computer
Email is not designed or guaranteed to be speedy, just reliable…
Katymine, I beg to differ with “it is more of a mess than we all think.”
Thanks, *ilson. And yesterday one or more of those pitched a fit, eh?
Awww,
TRex let the cat out of the bag.
OFG - Try #38
Here, kitty kitty puss puss puss
Katymine, go to a movie. Go to several movies. Deepest sympathies on the a/c outage, from down the road.
The memo from Baghdad is chilling in what it says about the real conditions on the ground there. Combine it with reading Riverbend, and we can see the shape of the disaster waiting.
back to the topic: it looks like the Islamicists in Somalia are defeating the new US Allies in Freedom: the traditional warlords. What is the Preznit going to do about this? What can he do about it? What should he do about it?
Or maybe he will ignore it and it all will go away for a while?
Does anyone see Iraq as a Mad Max movie, any of those dark lawless movies of the future where some event drove the world over the edge?
No matter how hard I dig my heals in…. we are all being dragged over that edge…
katymine @ 12:49 pm (#75) - To me, that document was chilling from end to end. Not so much for what it said, because I think most of us could have guessed that much of what it said was true based on what we read and see on the tube, but for the fact that a U.S. diplomat was writing this, and that no one in the Bush Administration acknowledges that this stuff is going on.
My guess is that someone in the foreign service leaked it to the press, but who knows? It might even have been one of Karl Rove’s or Dick Cheney’s enemies.
lotus,
I’ll send TRex over to scratch your eyes out!
VG
Not there. I refreshed the page. It removes the pink ban and probably the moderator comments. No biggie. Just got a return email from CHS who confirmed my suspicions. No publicity for the shock schlock. No sense in polluting an extremely reputable bloggers comments with the vile invective I can unleash on this hack. I’ll just whimper like a dog who wants to hunt, but the master just cleaned his gun and put it up.
…or her gun. Wuups!
katymine @ 12:58 pm (#84) - I think it’s as close to Mad Max as we’re likely to get without a planetary catastrophe.
Katymine -
It’s not whining @ 110 w/ no A/C - good suggestions upthread - go to a movie, gallery, hell I’d even settle for acrowded mall @ 110
OFG — Waaaaaaaah! (sniff) (snort) Waaaaaaaaah!
*ilson at 112:58 — I’d like some credible analysis of who the good/bad guys are in Somalia. A couple nights after the take over of the capitol, Nightly news had on two analysts, whose names I didn’t recognize. The moderator asked “how bad is this,” and to here surprise, both guests said, “this is good.” We’ve been backing the wrong people, and there is some hope the Islamists will improve things. Is this true? And whom do we trust to sort this out? Because the Administration, whom I do not trust, and the MSM who gets its views from the same source, all claim/assume that the Islamists are “terrorists” whereas the “warlords” all believe in the march of freedom. I haven’t a clue.
Cujo359 # 85
With the destruction of the Whistle blowers protections there is no other avenue for goverment employees who see these horrors.
Leaks to the media is the last hope of getting the information out to the public.
CHS,
I encourage you to come out of your shell and tell people how you really feel ;D
Have an update on Ms. Hamshers mother?
Oilfieldguy @ 1:02 pm (#86) - One thing I’ve noticed is that if you’re using the “Refresh Comments” button, you’ll miss comments that are let out of moderation jail after you first loaded the page. The only way to get them is to reload the page using your browser’s reload button.
katymine,
Thanks for that Mad Max image, ugh. Unfortunately, way to close to the truth.
At YKos we saw the video of I think it was the War Diaries (?), video taken by 3 guys on the ground with their commentary. One of the haunting images was the “vehicle graveyard” burnt and bombed out vehicles as far as the eye could see all collected in one huge lot. The audio commentary which still stays with me as they closed in on one steel carcass after another, “Each of these vehicles has a story.” Seeing the wreckage of the steel, it is beyond imaginable to think of the people who were in them at the time of their “demise.”
The total wreckage is incalculable. Soldiers, civilians, infrastructure, antiquities, the US budget, the survivors with PTSD. We are going to be paying for this for the rest of our lives and our childrens’ lives and beyond.
Why?
*ilson — sorry, that was the PBS News Hour, not Nightly News. But the point is that Gwen Ifil was surprised because the answers were backwards from our pre-biased expectations.
scarecro* : the success of the Taliban in Afghanistan was precisely that they curbed the “excesses” of the warlords and brought a certain stability and peace. Is this pattern being repeated in Somalia?
egregious - I am a correspondent of both and would suggest that the “ill feelings” are not the issue. Both Du and mark put their own lives on the line in Iraq and Afghanistan. They have lost dear friends there and Du has just returned for a short break from his service in Afghanistan. While we debate the policies and politics of america, they live with the on-the-ground repercussions and are rightly disgusted with our lack of recognition of the real situation.
Take a look at today’s post on gorillasguides (link in my sig) and read the linked articles about the conditions in Iraqi hospitals, the children being killed as they search the dump for a scrap to eat, the child held hostage at gunpoint by an american soldier, the wounded and dying turned away from iraqi hospitals with no room and no ability to aid the suffering.
We never intended a “democratic” iraq - we are not honorable - and we will not be saved by democrats who even now will not own up to the horrors we have inflicted on the people of afghanistan and iraq. It was under these same democrats that we murdered between 250,000 and 500,000 iraqi children and albright said “the price is worth it.”
Until we face the reality of Iraq and Afghanistan and the brutalities that our soldiers commit in our name funded by our taxes in what OFG so wisely points out is an occupation, Du and mark are quite right to call us on it … and to be disgusted.
Scarecro at 10
I agree with many of your asserstions.
What is du?
Depleted Uranium? I doubt it from the context, but heh it was worth a stab.
EPU?
I have ramped up my engagement of people in my life, and on the street ONE HUNDRED times.
The Truth has Power, Gently Respecting people when attempting to discuss these Very Important time’s has Power.
Discussing a post Nov 7(vote rigged outcomes, anyone) tactic,ie hitting the streets in numbers, is worth considering.
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Leave no authority existing, not responsible to the people.- Thomas Jefferson
Found moderator comment. No offense taken for the deletion.
thanks, siun. ;(
*ilson,
Somali Warlords & Islamists
http://www.sundayherald.com/56121
scarecro* @ 1:05 pm (#91) - I saw those guys on The NewsHour, too (your correction noted). I hadn’t heard much about the situation in Somalia recently, other than that it was total chaos dominated by the warlords. Hadn’t even heard that there was a serious Islamist faction in the country. So I was just a little surprised at this turn of events, to say the least.