
The Republican Party is rolling the dice and hoping for a seven on the "steadfastness and clarity" line, no matter how unpopular President Bush and his poorly planned war of choice in Iraq may be. And they would be correct to say that thus far, Democrats haven't exactly been speaking with one voice on the war, the fight against terrorism and extremist ideology and the way forward in Iraq, in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
They are betting on the fact that this is a huge series of complex issues and that Democrats aren't dishonest enough to lie to the American public with false hope and empty PR slogans like "War on Terror."
But they weren't betting on Matt O., who has come up with a brilliant -- and I mean BRILLIANT -- slogan that I'm bringing to the foreground this morning.
It's time for America to get real.
Isn't that head and shoulders above that "doing better together" crap or whatever it was? Simple, to the point, and absolutely spot on. Imagine the commercials and press events that could be built around that: REAL security for a change. REAL government, open and honest and accountable to the American public. REAL solutions to the problems that citizens have.
REAL government. Not the faux sham of a PR campaign under which we have been living the last five years, but REAL work. It exposes the lie that has been the Bush Administration for exactly what it is: all hat, no cattle, and a whole lot of hot air and fancy backdrops and hand-picked fawning audiences. And nothing of substance in the mix, just a lot of obfuscation and manipulation and bullshit.
Speaking of PR campaigns and bullshit, the Rubber Stamp Republicans in the House are pulling yet another stunt today. And The Hill is falling for it hook, line and sinker:
Republicans have criticized Democratic opposition to this debate as a sign of their splintered membership and “cut and run” approach.
“If you look at the dynamics of this debate, it was inevitable,” Boehner spokesman Kevin Madden said. “If there is any rancor on this, it’s because the Democrats have had trouble coming to an agreement on this.”
House and Senate leaders from both parties were invited to discuss the war with Bush yesterday afternoon.
“Why Democrats would choose to ignore America’s commitment to fight the global war on terror is beyond us,” one senior GOP leadership aide said. “It’s important that Congress stands with our troops who are fighting terrorism around the world so that we don’t have to on American streets.”
Well, now that is just so much crap -- talking points spewed out without any question being asked as to their basis in fact, the veracity of the claims made therein, or even any countervailing viewpoint on how this is a PR slogan and has no real merit with any serious analyst on global terrorism's causes or preventative measures.
And people wonder why we gripe about the shallow end of the gene pool that flits into media work on occasion...in case you are wondering, this was the very end of the article. Go read the whole thing (and someone tell BobbyG to take his blood pressure meds before he clicks the link...), and tell me it's not just a PR article stunt planted by Boehner and company on the eve of their "no politics involved, we swear" pre-election PR festival.
You want to read some thoughts by someone who has put their life on the line, over and over again, in service to this nation? Try Ret. Lt. Gen. William Odom and his thoughts on why getting out of Iraq is in this country's best interest. Or Alex Rossmiller, a former DoD DIA officer who resigned in protest because he was being asked to bend his analysis and thoughts on Iraq and elsewhere to fit into the Administration's pre-set narrative.
The central foreign policy issue for Americans in at least the next two elections is clearly the war in Iraq. I spent over six months in Iraq last year, and many more months working the issue at the Pentagon, and it is beyond my comprehension how a reasonable observer could believe anything but the fact that the Iraq war has made the U.S. less safe. It has overstretched our forces, created a lawless area for terrorists to learn their deadly craft, established a constant source of recruiting for militant Islamists across the globe, and destabilized a region on which we depend for economic well-being. Stay the course is a ridiculous notion when the course is wrong. All real Democrats can embrace a single message on Iraq: Change the course. Change the course.Iraq is an issue that resonates very powerfully at both national and local levels. Further, the broad foreign policy campaign message is a simple one: Do you want this administration to screw up anything else like it's screwed up Iraq? We cannot trust these deciders on Iran. We cannot trust them on North Korea. We cannot trust them on trade, or intelligence, or defense. In 2006 we can establish oversight in Congress, and in 2008 we can elect a president who understands that freedom isn't on the march if you're marching in combat boots.
The fundamental goal of foreign policy is to use international relations to advance American interests. These interests are primarily twofold: security, and economic, or business. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, there was no overarching framework in U.S. foreign policy, and for a while we were mostly reactive, relying on pragmatism to advance our interests. After 9/11, however, anti-democratic forces were once again viewed as a significant threat, and the so-called global war on terror began. The idea was to combine democracy promotion with forceful defense and aggressive action against transnational terrorists. The Bush administration, however, has betrayed this ideal - and this nation - by pursuing bad policy after bad policy, including the epic mistake of Iraq.
I met Alex at YearlyKos, and continued talking with him about national security matters at the Take Back America Conference earlier this week. He's impressive, not the least of which because it so clearly pains him not to be doing the job that he felt called to do in helping to protect our nation. That I have spoken with so many others who are having the same difficulties -- to choose to stay and work for an Administration that asks you to bend the truth to suit its end game needs or to stop working for them out of your own personal integrity needs, thereby leaving the analysis and intel gathering to people who may be willing to bend the truth to suit their own desire for job advancement. That this is the point to which we have sunk is beyond painful, isn't it?
What can any of us do? Well, I can tell you one thing that we can all do today: phone your elected representatives and tell them how you feel about Iraq and the Bush Administration's failed policies. And tell them you expect oversight, accountability, and a better job for all those troops we have risking their lives right now overseas for a war that Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney wanted to prove we could do on the cheap. You can call the Congressional switchboard toll free at: 1-888-355-3588.
Our soldiers deserve better than to be treated as pawns in a grand social and economic experiment for the neocons. We deserve REAL government for a change -- and it's about time everyone in Washington knew we expect it.
(Photo via The Age from Australia. It's an amazing visual, and pretty much sums up my mood this morning. By the way, the American casualty number topped 2,500 today.)
UPDATE: Here's a great reality check on how things are in Iraq. And both a heartbreaking and heartwarming story at the same time. Good read.
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Fitz, Christy, & impeach!
Fitz!
i might add calling our side “team real”…
Got real?
A brilliant slogan and sums up everything that is wrong with Republican misrule.
hey, sharkbabe got comment #0:
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Where can I get the bumper sticker? I have said it many times, even in comments on this site.
It’s time for America to get real.”
I fuckin’ love it. Nice.
I also like the General’s admonition: “Change the Course.”
BTW, have you seen the Democratic platform put out by Pelosi and company? You can see it at the Boston Globe.
Wonder if there are any plans for the day when American casualties in Iraq finally surpass the total Americans killed on 9/11?
Get real… I like that. Nice spot RH. This sums up how I feel much of the time. US citizens need to turn off the TV and get real…
Another zero post, where’s punaise?Good job with the screen grab twolf1!And welcome to the void Sharkbabe!
Now…If only our elected Dems could get real.
Given the GOP’s choice of this as a campaign linchpin and their own internal fractiousness over the issue, this report seems extra germane:
Washington is failing to make progress in the global war on terror and the next 9/11-style attack is not a question of if, but when. That is the scathing conclusion of a survey of 100 leading American foreign-policy analysts.
In its first “Terrorism Index,” released yesterday, the influential journal Foreign Affairs found surprising consensus among the bipartisan experts.
Some 86 per cent of them said the world has grown more, not less, dangerous, despite President George W. Bush’s claims that the U.S. is winning the war on terror.
The main reasons for the decline in security, they said, were the war in Iraq, the detention of terror suspects in Guantanamo Bay, U.S. policy towards Iran and U.S. energy policy.
The survey’s participants included an ex-secretary of state and former heads of the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Agency, along with prominent members of the U.S. foreign-policy establishment.
The majority served in previous administrations or in senior military ranks.
“When you strip away the politics, the experts, almost to a person, are very worried about the administration,” says Joe Cirincione, vice-president of the Center for American Progress, the Washington think-tank which co-sponsored the survey.
“They think none of our front-line institutions is doing a good job and that Iraq has made the terror situation much worse.”
The findings will be picked up immediately by politicians and policy-makers, he adds: “Just about any one of these people saying this would make news. When the opinions come together, it really carries weight.”
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Get real is great. Too bad the heavy sarcasm aspect I would like to use on the Repug’s doesn’t come across in print so well.And Schumer, and Lieberman , ad nauseum.
WOT the hell is going on?
Matt O! I have to go out today but can’t wait to get on the blogs tonight and see what happened in Congress. God, if only the Dems could surprise them with their response. It’s going to be verrrrrrrry interrrrresting. Whatever happened to the flag-burning amendment? I thought it was on the agenda this week. Guess Frist does not want another loss and feels Bush is on a roll with Rove, appearance in Iraq etc. and is trying to make lemondade out of lemons.
Bustednuckles 12 - I feel like Roger Patterson after he filmed bogfoot. Does that make me a cryptopostologist?
I don’t see it as a great theme.
Instinctively, most American folks don’t WANT real. They know deep down that we’ve been living in an unreal world compared to the entire rest of the world and that’s pretty much fine with them. “Real” sounds too tough. Better they continue to live in the ‘Disneyland America’ where we can borrow and spend, worry about tomorrow the day after the day after tomorrow, believe the Fed or somebody will bail out the economy, watch an frequent aerial bombing display from the safety of our Barkaloungers, etc. etc.
In short, it’s great in theory, bad in actual practice.
The Repug’s agenda is sort of “unreal now, unreal tomorrow, unreal forever.” And look how much power they have.
naschkatze — I have it on good authority that Murtha will be speaking for the Dems first and that his speech is a barn burner. Wonder if they have Mean Jean Schmidt teed up to make an ass of herself again? Sure hope she doesn’t wear that red, white and blue spandex ensemble…then again, it was quite the amusing campy snark for all of us, wasn’t it, last time around? *g*
Change the course, indeed! This crap about “Democrats just want to cut and run” can be easily stopped dead. Just say:
That’s like an Enron executive telling us to hold on to the stock.
Want War? Vote Republican!
naschkatze 17 - “trying to make lemondade out of lemons”
or are they trying to make lemonade out of polished turds?
I’M A BUSH SUCKUP !
I like that one, cryptopostologist,rolls right off the tongue.
Completely agree. What they should plan to do (but won’t)–is a scripted, unified, point-by-point rebuttal in the myth/fact, myth/fact format or something like it.
Myth: WMD
Fact: No WMD.
Myth: We need the patriot act.
Fact: We don’t pay attention to it.
The lies are legion. Each Dem gets his shot at a different portion of the R’s resolution. That’s the Majority Leader’s job.
Never gonna happen. But they could make great (and effective) political theater if they did it this way.
Most Americans don’t support the war according to polls. Many of those that do support it do so because they have been fed false information by BushCo - ie- Iraq caused 9/11
Tim: How many dead soldiers are YOU willing to give up for this unneccesary war? How long can you go without lights in your home?
Please, the only Presidents who ever cut and ran were Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon and George Bush on 9/11.
Someone needs to point that out to them the next time they bring it up.
Good spelunking, twolf1. If a similar phenomenon occurred at the other end of the thread, would that make you an endocryptopostologist?
As Elvis C. reminds us:
“everything is less than zero”
Tim,
If only the facts would allow you to test that proposition. All you’ve done is attack motive, not substance. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go buy some more Reynolds Wrap.
While we’re at good slogans, how about calling the Bush II era THE RAW DEAL!
Christy - TRex would make mincemeat of Mean Jean Schmidt, if his heart was in it.
We’ve been getting a Raw Deal, bring back the Real Deal!
Just put the cspan sudio on - hope I can stomach the GOP remarks until I can hear some Dems…
…although, I guess in GOP polls, 100% of Americans support the war. This is based on the fact that they assume if you don’t support the war, you are not an American. It’s the new math.
OT - Arlen Specter now lies to himself per Glen Greenwald:
“In sum, Specter’s legislation amends the provision of FISA which provides for criminal penalties, and then, astonishingly, makes those revisions retroactive all the way back to 1978 (when FISA was enacted). The effect and almost certainly the intent of those revisions is to immunize the President and anyone acting under his authority from criminal liability for violating FISA — just as the Post and the ACLU correctly reported, and just as Specter falsely denied.”
Most Americans don’t support the war according to polls.
Most Americans do support the war according to trolls.
calvin loves it! Far better than the junk they’re using and for which they probably paid a shitload. And, hats off to Gary and “The Raw Deal”.
calvin is so excited that he may not appear to be a finicky eater tonight.
calvin says, “Let’s run with it!”
I just asked an Instant Messenger friend what she thought of “It’s time for America to get real” as a Democrat slogan, without any other commentary.
Response? “I like it. It skews young, which is good.”
“It can be adapted to a lot of different policy issues.”
“It’s good.”
Bingo. Sounds like a winner, folks.
Time for a blogger push perhaps? Rally around the phrase, repeat it, hammer it home with tag lines … get Lamont to adopt it, put it on top MyDD, ask Markos to repeat it during media appearances …
If it catches, then it’s working. If it doesn’t, at least it’s still better than that milquetoast “we can do better if we all try harder and focus-group some more!”
And nothing will say the blogs have arrived than if this becomes the battle cry and banishes that current pablum from the stage. Okay, Lamont sailing past Joe in the polls would also say it, but this would be cool too.
twolf1–YEAH. I’m thrilled to be corrected. Turds it is!
DoD gave Congress a little primer today:
Hastert rolls out 9/11! “Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction”– Ronnie R.
>>>>>>>>>>
The Pentagon armed congressional supporters of the Iraq war with an unusual “debate prep book” on Thursday, packed with ready-made rebuttals to criticism of a conflict that has now claimed the lives of 2,500 U.S. troops.
With the House beginning an election-year debate on the war, the Pentagon suggested lawmakers make the point that “Iraq will become a haven for terrorists, murderers and thugs,” if the United States leaves “before the job is done.”
“We cannot cut and run,” it says at another point, anticipating Democratic calls for a troop withdrawal on a fixed timetable.
http://www.forbes.com/entrepre.....17879.html
I’m in Georgia, Tim. A far hop from NY and Hollywood. The last poll I saw (March, 2006)had Georgians split 50/50 on the war.
Oh Tim, I’m sorry — I forgot that I don’t leave in real America here in WV where we have the highest per capita military service of any state in the nation. And I forgot that I speak each and every week to families that are dealing with loss, with severe injuries, with economic issues as a result of Bush’s war of choice in Iraq — which has diverted real resources and manpower out of Afghanistan where the Taliban has had a resurgence the last few months. And Osama — he’s where, exactly? Oh yeah, still at large. That’s right. And the deficit? Huge. The Medicare Part-D plan? Crap. Our level of cooperative effort and the level of goodwill that we enjoyed after 9/11, even with nations that used to hate us? Down the toilet. You know why? Because President Bush has to demand that everyone in the world do things his way — which is a shit plan for the long term. You want reality, try taking a peek at it yourself. And you’ll see that Reservists and National Guardsmen and Women are hurting because of crappy medical and mental health care. That families of our military vets are hurting economically. That children are being born right now with severe birth defects that may be a result of depleted uranium usage in Iraq. And it goes on and on. We are losing our officer class and the Army and the Marines are being broken for having to carry the brunt of the load of a war with piss poor planning, and your beloved President has held no one to account. Rummy still at the DoD? Yeah, I thought so. You want to bitch about people on the left — don’t live in such a fragile fucking glass house. Because I haven’t even begun to launch all my rocks…
CSPAN - Hastert reminds us that Mali is part of the coalition.
Best we can hope for is that the Schmidt ensemble was destroyed respectfully at an American Legion hall on Flag Day….
21 LindaR says:
June 15th, 2006 at 9:04 am
Or like the captain of the Titanic going full-speed through the iceberg field! (Stay the course, indeed. Find out first what you’re heading into, so you can decide if that’s where you should be going!)
Teddy at 46 — Oh, man. Thanks, hon, I needed that tea spew today. Mwahahahahaha….I’m using that at some point. *snerk*
OT - Christy, I’d like to run a couple of things past you (and the rest of the Firepups):
1. Can a Pardon be sealed? For example, let’s say that Abu Gonzales (or his rep) dropped by Judge Walton’s court last month and with the AG’s inherent power to seal stuff, says “I got a Presidential Pardon for Rove here, so Fitz has to leave him alone, and oh yeah, I’m sealing any mention of this act!”.
Is this even possible?
2. Has the Boy King used his Pardon powers at all during his tenure? Would we even know, given the
paranoiapenchant for secrecy in these folks?Am I correct to believe that there is no law or regulation that prohibits a “Secret Pardon”? Or anything that mandates a pardon’s public pronouncement?
3. WRT to the Sealed vs Sealed case, since this is a Criminal case as denoted by the CR designation, would you give us your thoughts on why it is not US vs Sealed?
After all, who but the US goverment can bring a Criminal case in Federal court?
As a possibilty, what’s your take on the likelihood that this case is US Government (Abu and crew intervening on behalf of Rove?) vs US Government (Fitz and company)?
Now back to your regularly schedule program *g*.
Mac Cleland has a great turn-around on “Cut and Run” Dems. He wants us to say, each time we hear that, “The proper term is not Cut and Run, it’s Correct and Recover.” That’s what they call it in the military, so I’m told, and it also implies a mistake made that needs to be corrected.
It’s time to get real - much more powerful than “Together, We Can Do Better”. Jeez, that about defines the wishywashy qualities that have ben imputed to us over the years, doesm’t it? Who the hell came up with that, anyway? WE should find out so we don’t take this person’s words so seriously anymore. Anyone know?
Getting real is masculine (no offense), forward moving, a push instead of a push-back. I like it a lot, Matt. Are you in California now?
Great post, Christy!
I genuinely hope your implied assumption that a majority of Americans want “real” anything is correct.
I worry that the Brangelina-obcessed, media-manipulated, SUV-driving, crappy-fast-food-eating, sheep may PREFER the comfortable pap they are fed by those currently in power to a message that asks them to think about and make real decisions on real issues affecting their lives. Empty platitudes and patriotic jingoism are more palatable to many these days, I fear.
Hope I’m wrong.
Tim -
I was gonna respond, but…nahhh…your post is self-refuting.
Sorry, Meant to chime in on last thread, but my computer froze and it took forever to get back up.
So as not to EPU myself, I will post here.
Where are all the lawyers in this mess? They are writing Complaints and filing briefs and on their way to the courthouse.
Today alone two new cases:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/n.....plaint.pdf
The national Security Archive is suing the CIA and General Hayden in federal court for the DC Circuit over FOIA access.
http://www.aclu.org/images/spy....._25885.pdf
The Quakers, Veterans for Peace, Greenpeace and a host of other groups, including the wonderfully named Pittsburgh Raging Grannies, have joined with the ACLU to bring suit in Pennsylvania against the DOD for access to the files and domestic spying product amassed with respect to these entities.
Why engage with tim? It’s time for tim to get real. tim repeats the same stale talking points that the Right has been repeating in one form or another for decades now, and reality shows over and over again that it has no use for tim’s opinion. New Yorkers especially have no use for tim’s unrealistic opinions about the way to deter and combat terrorists.
tim … Got Real?
(see, Matt O’s clearly a genius with this phrase.)
The Demoncrats need more than a slogan. They need to fundamentally change their attitude about government and about the direction the country is heading.
We need Congresscritters who are willing to stand up and say “Torture is an abomination and must be stopped,” and “Spying on our citizens is unacceptable,” and “Enriching corporations at the expense of the rest of the population is going to end today.”
Anything less is just more of the same. Anything less from them and we are better off creating a new party and doing it ourselves.
118 Jane Hamsher says:
June 14th, 2006 at 10:57 pm
Oh and the whole thing was too brief. I was always rushing from one thing to another and I missed a bunch of cool stuff. I think next year it has to be longer. Undoubtedly.
And hopefully a little less spread out? My feet were KILLING me.
Maybe you should take a pointer from Kate O’Beirne…..a friend of mine noticed her sensible footwear on Hardball yesterday:
Watching Hardball…I think Kate O’Beirne is
wearing CAPRIS and orthopedic sandals on teevee. Like, she clearly thought they were not going to be visible under the Hardball desk, but she forgets, they do a panned out landscape
shot in which you can see her capris and awful shoes! HA!
Skelton up first; then Murtha– 2 good men!
CSPAN - Murtha just yielded the floor to Ike Skelton who delivered the news that the U.S. death toll in Iraq is at 2,500 and suggested moment of silence - which then took place. Now Murtha is speaking…
Brilliant Skelton re the moment of silence!
WaPo writes today that “Iraq amnesty plan likely to include pardons for those who had attacked US troops only”. And Bush & Co. want to stay the course? The mothers and fathers and husbands and wives and children of all the US troops over there better watch this debate carefully.
CSPAN - Murtha - comparing gulf war 1 w/ gulf war 2…
Mad Dog at 49
Go to the DOJ website, click through to the office of Pardon Attorney. They used to post a list each year. If no list you may have to may a FOIA request. There might be a click through for that, or else you can send a letter.
Whoohoo christy 44!
Tim, you’re getting your information about us from the exact wrong people. The cartoon characters you think we are don’t exist. Why don’t you stick around and read some without getting your panties in a bunch? We only bite asshats.
OT
I wrote a post on my blog on the incredible Firedoglake CIA Leak Investigation Panel. Take a read. You’ll like it.
http://www.evergreenpolitics.c.....ak_pa.html
My Vote for Slogan?
Christy’s
“All hat, no cattle”
Think of it as a talking point, as a theme. Snarky, but resonant.
CSPAN - Murtha - explaining now how in gulf war 1, we used overwhelming force — and paid for it with money from other countries.
now on to the gulf war 2…
hey, tim– where in america do you live? Cause I don’t live in Hollywood or NY and from where I am sitting I don’t see throngs of people supporting the war, in fact most that used to have given up on it and they were the president’s voters.
Your words are cut straight from the administration’s handbook on fear and loathing in the oil rich sands of the East.
CSPAN - Murtha - admitting he believed there were WMDs and that Iraq would use bio-weapons if we went in to Baghdad. Also said he was shaky on the Iraq Al Qaeda connection…
tim is obviously not on team real…
Wasn’t John Kerry’s slogan “The Real Deal?”
Travy 68, well, reality has a well-known liberal bias.
twolf1 and everyone — thanks so much for doing the play by play on Murtha. We’re watching a movie at the moment in preparation for naptime, so unfortunately C-Span just isn’t an option. The updates are much appreciated by this tired momma.
hawkseye at 70 — I believe it was. I think I have a t-shirt to that effect somewhere upstairs…
looseheadprop at 62:
Did all of that, but the DOJ’s Pardon Attorney’s Office lists no recipients under the Boy King’s reign.
And with his crew, I’m not betting that the absence of information is the same as nothing has happened *g*!
CSPAN - Murtha - BushCo had been recommended to use 350k troops in Iraq. “they completely miscalculated the problems we had afterwards” - referring to the looting and big mess that Iraq is today. Murtha told bush he needed 100k more troops, bush said no.
Anbar province– no water, no electricity, no jobs for 2 million people- Murtha.
CSPAN - Murtha - after initial invasion was complete, a report said that things had to be shaped up in Iraq in 3 to 6 months. as we all know, that didnt happen
TROLL
Go Jack!
CSPAN - Murtha - “we’re supposed to be makin progress, that’s what we hear” -then states facts and #s about how the # of insurgents has continued to grow.
Christy and others without video -
Murtha has lost weight, and is wearing a suit he clearly didn’t pull off the rack at JC Penney - Yo Steny, are you watching ?
mad dogs at 74 — I’m fairly certain there have been pardons, because I remember a couple of them had been GOP donors, one of which was a wealthy kid who was smacked with some drug charges, as I recall. The press has covered what pardons have been issued, and a list may be available via the WH Press office website. Try googling it — I know I’ve read articles on the pardons and we’ve mentioned at least one pardon here (at least, I’m fairly certain I’ve talked about them at some point…after this many posts, though, it starts to run together…)
CSPAN - Murtha - 300,000 displaced from fallujah, only 100,000 came back…
CSPAN - Murtha - abu grabass biggest PR disaster since Mi Lai
-what’s the definition of sectarian violence? CIVIL WAR!!!
He’s passionate at this part, is our Jack.
Love waking up to FDL and all these brilliant ideas. Christy, your passion and strength is so infectious. Lots of good thoughts here, as usual. Love Matt O’s slogan. It connotes change and ACTION and solution.
OT-From last night’s late night thread, I had been wondering about the ethnic caucas turnout at YKos. Want to work on Latino rep as we move ahead to reclaim our country.
The Democrats need more than a slogan. They need to fundamentally change their attitude about government and about the direction the country is heading.
But Kurt, that’s exactly what the “get real” theme (or the alternative, common sense, that I’ve been pushing since January) is about.
The GOP has used a combination of empty slogans and emotional button-pushing to get people to vote based on their fears rather than according to their common sense. We’ve paid an awful price for that with Iraq, Katrina, Medicare, etc.
By pointing this out in a consistent, thematic way, Democrats can make being reality-based an advantage. And by causing people to “fundamentally change their attitude” that way, it’ll be easier for them to get support on the specific issues you mention.
Maddaog at 49 somemore
I am VERY perplexed about why it is not US v. sealed myself. Sealed v. sealed is usually used in civil cases not criminal cases.
That has bothered me since I first learned of it.
Also, I read the Citizenspook link somebody put o an earlier thread. Some of it, the runnaway Grand Jury stuff, seemed tin foilish, but the stuff about what Randall Samborn said tied in with something that has bothered me from the getgo with the Luskin phonecall/fax/letter leak.
Luskin is parssing. i posted at the time that I could not understand why PJF did not confirm. Citizenspook found the exact Smaborn quote which was not the “no comment” I expected, but that they would not discuss the status of the investigation.
Yesterday at the Rose Garden presser, I was struck by the tone of voice and facial expression of the President when he said the “investigation is over”
Bush never said that Fitz said the investigation was over—it just reminded me of “mission accomplished”
I am the president, I said it, so it is so,—We make our own reality.
Somebody has been pushing really really hard for the last 2-3 weeks to get Pat to indict or not on Rove. Pat did not budge. Now ONLY ROVES SIDE is saying that it is over.
Pat’s side is refusing to comment on the “status of the investigation”. Not a regular “no comment”.
Pat always buries meaning in every word choice. Think about the layers of meaning in his briefs.
There is no reason to go beyond the two word “no comment” that has served them so well in the past, if they where just being tightlipped.
Nope, they gave two sepeate quotes, that they did not need to give. I am going crazy wondering why.
72% of the troops want to get out by the end of the year and they don’t know what the mission is.
1% of the Iraqis trust the coalition forces.
CSPAN - Murtha - 72% troops in iraq thing we should leave within a year
-42% dont know what the mission is
-82% say econimic condition of iraqis is poor or fair
-1% trust coalition forces
-47% approve attacks on US forces
Excellent slogan for DEM06. However, should be premised by “Republicans can’t govern. It’s time for America to get real.”
CSPAN - Murtha - “we cant stand here in the air conditioned offices and say we support the policy”
Murtha’s speech is full of facts, evidence, and practicalities. Hastert’s was full of talking points and demagogery.
twolf1 @ 76 — “a report said that things had to be shaped up in Iraq in 3 to 6 months…”
Would that be the Friedman report that you’re referring to?
Redeploy and be ready. That’s Goddamn right!
punaise, you’re in fine form today. Didn’t know mincemeat had heart as an ingredient!
BTW, great photos of you the other day. You da stud. Lived in Santa Cruz for 14 years, love that beach.
CSPAN - Murtha - basically saying that the only people that want us in iraq are the nations bush called the axis of evil (china, n. korea…) and al qaeda. because it is depleting our resources and al qaeda gets more recruits.
That’s brilliant! It perfectly sums up everything wrong the the GOP. Anyone can understand it. I think the 70% of us who think the country is on the wrong track will not have put it in these terms, but will immediately grasp it when it’s presented. “Yeah — that’s it. That’s the problem.”
You can plug it into anything. “Real Americans face real problems. Real wages are dropping. Real costs are climbing. Real affordable health care is beyond the reach of most Americans. Real jobs are disappearing overseas. Real families are hurting. Real schools are failing. Real enemies are being ignored while the Bush administration prosecutes paintballers.
“And what is the most real problem the GOP is paying attention to? Gay Marriage.”
And it’s way past time for the Democratic party to get real, too…
Matt O. for President 2024!
Swopa - i’m not sure, just relaying Murtha’s speech on CSPAN, i didnt catch the name of the report if he mentioned it.
Murtha: First Gulf War cost us $5 billion. This so far has cost $450 billion.
Murtha gets applause!
Rhetoric does NOT solve the problem — Murtha
Henry Hyde - talk about a pre-911 mentality!
i’m going to be in the minority here and say that for a national slogan “it’s time for america to get real” is certainly not the best way to get converts.
if someone wanted me to change my behavior and accept their course of action, and they told me to “get real,” i would most certianly bridle at that, and refuse to listen any more.
i have no replacement slogan, and i’m not saying that the underlying premise is false, but i am saying you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. (say, now that’s a catchy slogan!)
as to the war on terror, when it comes to shaping a slogan to help our cause, let’s remember that awol didn’t invent it, he just marketed it the best.
no, the war on terror, if indeed there is such a thing, began at least with the bombing of the marine base in lebannon during reagan’s presidency. it was conducted, if indeed “the war on terror” is anything more than a metaphor, thru-out poppy bush’s presidency, and actively fought by clinton.
don’t know where that leaves us, just saying it might come in handy to remember that in formulating a new slogan.
Christy & Jane-
I thought I’d give you a heads up on Byron York’s latest. I beleive he posted it a few hours ago. I came across it a few minutes ago.
http://article.nationalreview......kyZmViOTU=
Christy,
Please check out www.TheRealNews.com.
No corporate dollars
No government funding
No commercials
No strings
About as real as you get.
If we stop and ponder the likely condition of our military forces in the next few years, both human resources and hardware, what sort of national security are we talking about? Bush and Rummass have burned out the whole system, and the veteran’s won’t be taken care of either.
twolf1, thanks so much for live blogging Murtha. He’s a real patriot who cares about our troops.
twolf1 @ 100 — I was joking. :) (Friedman, 6 months … get it?)
looseheadprop et al.
Been plowing through the Gleeson opinion on the detention of various aliens in NY after 9-11.
See http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06.....ner=MYWAY/
This is a pre-trial motions opinion, and thus is mostly filled with legal theory and not judgments on facts. As I read it, for both the plaintiffs (the detainees) and the defendant (the government), it’s a win-some, lose-some kind of opinion. I’ll await you and the lawyers here as you parse out the legalese, but a couple of things stood out to me:
Ruling against one of the government’s arguments, Gleeson wrote:
“The constitutional rights the plaintiffs [detainees] assert — the rights to due process of law, to equal protection of the laws, and to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures — apply not only to citizens but also to aliens present in our country. . . . Indeed, under the defendant’s [government’s] theory, the plaintiffs would not be entitled to compensation even if they were detained for twenty years before a Notice to Appear was filed, then for twenty years more after they were ordered removed, all with no telephone calls or access to a lawyer. That, of course, does not sound right.”(p. 56)
Of course.
Sounds like some good understated snark to me, and it gives me hope that the NY Times misread the opinion, or puts too much trust in the spinners who fed them the story.
Full opinion at http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/p.....07mo-f.pdf
I haven’t finished reading yet - between the House debate, the World Cup, and getting the kid up and running, it’s been a busy morning.
Thanks for the heads up on Gleeson, lhp. I might not have gone looking for the opinion without your rec!