
I was genuinely quite pleased with Byron York's response to the Plame Panel (which can be seen here on CSPAN). I'd just have to wonder if he was actually there if I hadn't seen him myself. The first two paragraphs he seems obsessed with my day job -- never mentioned during the panel at all -- and then asserts that with my history I would of course only be consumed with the villains of the CIA leak case. My speech included the exactly one (count 'em one) sentence about the BushCo. villains of the story; the rest of it was devoted to introducing the heroes, my primary objective. I hope when everyone from the panel kept calling on poor Byron we weren't waking him up but I think it may be so.
If he was sleeping it was probably for the best, because everything that was said was a complete challenge to everything he wanted to write. As Emptywheel notes:
Byron didn't tell his readers that I told him at least half of the people on the panel, and probably more, had admitted we thought Rove was cooperating (as in big-C, anything you say to Karl Rove can and will be held against you in a court of law). Or that we Plame bloggers, Christy, Jane, and I, were all pretty realistic about the possibility that Karl wouldn't get indicted. For that matter, Byron didn't mention that Murray suggested this whole thing may fizzle. You see, I think Byron would have a hard time admitting to his readers that the Plame panel had anticipated that something like what has happened might occur. Because, you see, it might suggest that the rest of our speculations may come to pass, too. That Karl Rove may flip, that the Conservative project may have started eating its own, that Karl can't even live up to their standards of loyalty, much less ours. Byron was very tenuous about the larger meaning of cooperation, as he has been in his reporting on Luskin's statement. Perhaps it suggests possibilities he'd rather not think about?
"Lather, rinse, repeat" is more appropriate to the handling of hair care products than the practice of journalism, but often there's little else you can do with GOP taking points. And I certainly understand how Byron could get confused.
I was happy with one aspect of York's piece. He seemed to take no objection to my claim that Joe Wilson is a hero, unlike Wankette. I expected this to be the predictable response from the NRO. Maybe nobody wants to be the next Ana Marie Cox? Because I can assure you, that's what would have happened. Anyone who wants to publicly question that fact had better have more war bona fides than just a full head of hair or the wilingness to suck on a vodka bottle for fun and profit, or we'll have us a field day.
Nice piece, Byron. Next time, feel free to join us.
(BTW if anyone has files of the Plame Panel that can be loaded on YouTube I would love to have them.)
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Fitz & Roots!
A respectful suggestion to WFB: Lose Byron, not money!
Jane –
Thanks for another brilliant post!
[My favorite Plame daydream is that Karl is wearing a wire.]
Jane –
I wanted to say I really enjoyed meeting you and Christie at YearlyKos.
I also wanted to point out that the absolutely most odious outrageously offensive and inaccurate Yearlykos article has just been published. It’s the New Republic, of course:
http://www.tnr.com/docprint.mh.....izza062606
jane
For the awful YK New Republic article, we’re already talking about it at Daily Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....173347/995
Note TeacherKen’s comment on the terrible Lizza coverage of the Education Panel.
OT– Neil Abercrombie shows up with his hands tied with ropes! The Dems have their hands tied by the thugs. This is the amnesty resolution.
‘Photo by Snorfbat’- Great Name!
I’m sorry,I haven’y read this post yet,I will though.I’m here to comment on the strangness of this world.Today My Republican Represenitive stands up and says”how can we discuss gay marrage and flag buning in this House right now?And what does that say to the guy about to drive over a land mine?”(paraphrase)He’s right.Where are the Dems?(crickets chirping)((exept for Murta))
You were awesome Jane. I’m still trying to locate a closeup of you.
An off topic startling moment:
When I saw the panel on c-span and could finally see what everyone looked like, I was surprised that Murray Waas was so young. With that name, I assumed he was in his 60’s. LOL
but Jane, he has to dwell on our “obsession” with the villains in order to fire up his readers.
truth, justice, reality….all so over-rated.
(actually I’m kind of surprised he didn’t gloat more about the Rove situation.)
York the Dork. Funny (and weird) how he conflates the phony mystery of VInce Foster’s suicide with the decidedly UN-mysterious outing of a covert CIA officer by the White House.
Kind of like how, even today, Republicans are still connecting Sadaam Hussein with 9-11.
Ah, me. Is it cocktail hour yet?
Hey look! Froma wrote me back:
Thanks for your input. You are correct that most bloggers would probably agree with Lamont’s Afghanistan position. I tried to limit my discussion to the ultra-left blogs.
Froma Harrop
Oscarsmom wrote:
Dear Ms Harrop,
I must disagree with your characterization of the blogosphere as “ultra-left” and “pacifist.” Most bloggers would agree completely with Lamont’s positions as you described them vis-a-vis Afghanistan, etc..
The blogosphere encompasses many different viewpoints, and generally could be described as further to the left than most politicians. But its primary value is in adherence to the facts and accountability. Please keep this in mind.
Thanks, Oscarsmom
A slight tangent here. Did anyone hear Rich Lowry just now, spouting lies on NPR about how the liberal blogosphere was deluded by hatred of Rove into the belief that he would be indicted? Nice platform he has there.
DMM #13–this is indeed a disturbing universe!
Who is your rep, pray?
Has PJF best bud Andrew McCarthy opined on NRO about the Rove thing? Enquiring minds want to know what his addled little brain thinks about it.
Hey, no one sane can really blame us for wanting Karl Rove to go to prison. I’ll own up to that any day.
I found the link to this exclusive on Raw Story: http://realnews.org/rn/content.....tants.html
oscarmom,
Rep.Wayne Gilchrist
I can’t view videos with my connection and this computer. Does anyone have links to the transcripts? I’d so love to have them. All I’ve seen is some great quotes.
TIA
Rule #1 of photos: Identify everybody.
oscarmom,
‘moderate’Republican-and Vietnam vet.I’ve been known to fill his mailbox from time to time,and he always answers,more than I can say for some Dems.And it just kills me to say that.
Rootz!Now I feel better.
Jane,
This too, perfect.
spegettihappens,
I’m betting the hottie is Jane!
DMM - which state?
Come on,we know the players.Don’t know the two on the outside,but left to right,Wilson,Froomkin,Jane.Am I right?
Lobstergirl,
Why down on ANdy Mccarthy’s brain?
Andy has never been a fan of mine, but he is a good lawyer and has a fine mind, and a pleasent writing style.
How he chooses to employ those gifts…, OK, I can find fault with that.But why do you think his brain is addled? Other than his politics.
Jane,
EPU’d from last thread:
Wrt Marshall Whittman - Thanks for another fine post! The question it brings to my mind is:
Just who was the DLC individual that hired this
molequislingperson?‘Cause there’s gotta be a DLC decision-maker somewhere who’s culpable! Or conspirin’ with the RNC!
Maryland
Larry Johnson on the left and Murray Waas on the right.
Hey, no one sane can really blame us for wanting Karl Rove to go to prison.
I want him to be stripped, dipped in honey and staked to a fire ant mound on the north bank of the Rio Grande. In August.
Kuckledragger at 33
that is SOO intemperate. Probably why I am smiling
I think the day the wingnuts start writing good things about us we’re in deep trouble. I mean, I don’t think I’ve ever seen them say anything truthful - it’s the lies and outright distortions the wingnuts require - both the writers and the readers.
I think I’d be kind freaked out if they had gotten it right - or told the truth - like the rapture is coming or something.
Loosehead,
Nothing succeeds like excess!
Pontificator 7 — you mean Ryan Lizza gave off hand-jobbing Chuck Schumer to bash Christy for enjoying her food at a Media Matters dinner? (Yes, the Joe Lieberman Weekly left that out, it’s an organization we work closely with ALL THE TIME. Quite pulicly and unappologetically so. In fact we’ve even fundraised for them in the past.)
Never saw him mixing with the plebes. Small wonder that like Nagourney and MoDo, his article is All About Him and the Beautiful People (such as they were).
Uh, Byron. I’m thinking if a Dem were president and a White House “official” leaked the name of a covert CIA agent (twice) to reporters, indictment or not, he’d be outta there. Whudaya think?
BLITZER: He hasn’t even been charged with anything yet.
PELOSI: No, no, no, no. You’re talking about a — the court of law. I’m talking about a higher ethical standard.
And that’s — there are two different things. We — I believe that members of Congress should be held to a higher standard and a higher ethical standard. And I apply that to all members of our caucus, respecting the magnificent diversity of our caucus.
But, yes, we are high — having a higher standard now. And any member of Congress who has $90,000 in his freezer can be sure that he’s going to hear from me that he or she should step aside.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....om.03.html
BTW,I mean hottie in the most respectful possable way!
Ahh, Valley Girl,
Nice to see you,;) ;). It’s all good.
Gotta go,see you all later.
Rootz!!!
“GOP taking points”
I love it. I don’t know if it is intentional or not, but I love it. I can just see them, cooking up taking points in the GOP crack kitchen: “Take that, and that and take that, too”
BTW, this from JeannieZ a few threads back is AWESOME!!:
“Love the GET REAL thing! Of course, you need to make it into an acronym:
Responsible
Ethical
Accountable
Leadership”
“I’m gonna wash that Hair right out of the man . . .”
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Next up: “You’ve got to be carefully taught”
Don’t mind me - just singing in the shower ;)
I reckon this is the first time in a long time that the Byroscope adopted a wait and see attitude… I think he is scared that his outing at YKos has revealed the truth about his disinformation campaign that is embroidered out of whole cloth by a machine named Rover, et al.
Countess Babula shoulda delivered the piecegoods a wee bit earlier.
York’s column does nothing to discredit those who hope to see justice done in the CIA leak case. He says nothing to refute the left blogosphere’s central assumption: that a group of high-ranking Bush administration officials, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, conspired to discredit and punish Joseph Wilson for telling the truth about the administration’s factual claims associated with its justification to invade Iraq. They did so in part by committing an act of treason, making public the identity of a CIA agent, Valerie Plame, Wilson’s wife.
Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s apparent decision not to pursue an indictment against Karl Rove at this time does not negate the fact that Rove actively participated in the war on the Wilsons. let alone the fact that the war occurred. It in no way diminishes the roles of Cheney, Scooter Libby, or other members of the administration in the war on the Wilsons.
The best York can do is to try to analogize the CIA leak case with the death of Clinton aide Vince Foster, which was investigated to death and found to be a suicide in no way the fault of the Clinton administration. What an absurd comparison. I wonder if York feels his trip to Yearly Kos was worthwhile.
I think maybe I figured out what the wingers who write about YKos are trying to do. They are trying to emulate the fabulous snark of the progressive blogosphere.
Not succeeding very well, mind you, but I think this explains the rather odd tone all these writeups take: they are trying to snark.
i want george w bush to go to prison — recently a judge ruled that bush can hold foreigners without charging them — but the judge is too dimwitted to see that by his own logic a foreign court can let george w bush be held &, as a bonus, can let him be charged with war crimes
Jane -
I am with John Forde at #11. I think you should start selling autographed 8×10 glossy headshots of yourself for say, $100? With all of the proceeds going to the Lamont Campaign.
I’d buy one.
Very nice rebuttal Jane. I think you could have hit him back a little bit harder, but what the hell.
Oh my, that Jane Hamsher photo idea is rather scary. What was Markos saying this past weekend about the cult of personality? Now, a Matt O. action figure, that I could go for….
Peterr 44
“I’m gonna wash that Hair right out of the man…”
heh. South Pacific / Pout Specific
Blather, rinse, reap it.
LHP @29 -
He probably is a good lawyer. I’m not crazy about his writing style although it’s not horrible. I just don’t know how else other than addled to describe someone who writes a column (at a very hysterical pitch) moaning that the media tried to hide the fact that all those dudes arrested in Canada for terrorist plotting were Islamic. First of all, the media I read and watched didn’t try to hide that fact. Apparently only the media he read and watched hid it. Second, it seemed kind of obvious that they were Islamic - unless it’s racist or religionist to assume someone is Islamic just from their name and the fact that they’re being arrested for terrorism (which I grant you, probably it is). I actually want to like McCarthy, I just can’t stand the shrill, deafening rightwing scream WE MUST NEVER FORGET THEY’RE ISLAMIC!! ISLAM WANTS TO KILL US!!! Everything boils down to the clash of civilizations for these people. I mean, I guess that’s their big beef. Unless I’m missing something.
Lobstergirl,
I wasn’t trying to scare you away? It was a genuine question.
FYI: entertaining and well-written article on YKos from our very own Stranger:
http://www.thestranger.com/sea.....?oid=37524
“The Riviera Hotel is a strange place to hold a blogger convention. Located in a low-rent section of the Las Vegas Strip, its aging rooms and tarnished casino speak less of the promise of new media than of the inevitability of decay. Those who organized the event, dubbed YearlyKos after one of the country’s most influential online liberal communities, Daily Kos, didn’t mean to imply anything in their choice of venue. They were simply after cheap lodging and a central location for the first in-gathering of this country’s growing corps of left-leaning bloggers. . . “
I’d go for a Joe Wilson action figure.
I just can’t stand the shrill, deafening rightwing scream WE MUST NEVER FORGET THEY’RE ISLAMIC!! ISLAM WANTS TO KILL US!!! Everything boils down to the clash of civilizations for these people.
_____
Yep. Lotta wingnuts deliberately stoking that fire.
LHP - just trying to figure out what I wanted to say. Maybe I’d agree with him on some other issues, although signs point to no….
Acting as if Lizza is relevant to anything is like acting as if the Knicks don’t suck.
Lobstergirl @ 3:45 pm (#53) - I certainly had no trouble picking up on the Islamic angle in that story. I think maybe Byron just needs to get his hearing aid batteries replaced.
If a “clash of civilizations” can be defined by the nutcases in both civilizations, then we have one. Personally, I wish they’d pick a nice patch of desert somewhere and just kill each other, and leave the rest of us out of it.
I had someone make a similar comment to me the other day.
My response: “You mean ALL of the three billion individuals who practice Islam want us dead. Well, if that’s the case then game over. They got us on sheer numbers.”
blogosphere trading cards
(ooh, you got Pach’s rookie year card? I’ll trade you for a comments-era Billmon!)
LOL more from the Stranger article:
“A conservative infiltrator, who came to YearlyKos expecting to blog about a “freak show,” found himself having to report instead that “people here are largely, disappointingly, golf-shirted, short-haired, and white-bread,” and that “grooming and hygiene are up to Western business standards.” “
And,
“When Maureen Dowd wrote a slightly unflattering column about Moulitsas during the conference, he described her to me, in front of other reporters, as “an insecure, catty bitch.”"
WE MUST NEVER FORGET THEY’RE ISLAMIC!! ISLAM WANTS TO KILL US!!!
They are essentially swiftboating the, oh let’s say, 2.95 billion believers in Islam who don’t want us dead.
I liked those wildlife photographs of the punaise in his natural habitat. ;)
Oh Cujo359 @ 60
I’m seeing pay per view w/ simultaneous webcasts
ARMAGET*IT*ON
JIHADISTS VERSUS YEE-HAWDISTS
have your people blackberry my people
Believe me, I’m just kidding when I say this:
Perhaps Sports Illustrated should do a swimsuit issue featuring Beauties of the Blog? LOL
This thread has led directly (though not exclusively) to the following OT barbaric yawp:
ConSARN Firedoglake!
Do you people have any idea how many months behind I am on my New Yorkers and my Atlantics?!
Aw gawd — we don’t even want to think about my house.
And. It’s. ALL. Your. Fault.
Phoomph!
/barbaric yawp
Sometimes I should just keep my keyboard shut. ; )
Note to B. York, check is in the mail. Scaife
lotus 68, I feel your pain. I add Harper’s to that list. The New Yorker? I usually start at the back, and lately I’ve been getting as far as the cartoon caption contest (for which, by the way, one of my clients had a winning entry!)
Lobstergirl,
Don’t forget, he works for an oragnization that pays him to take that tone. After the Lynne Stewart verdict he wrote this otherwise lovely piece that captured the Lynne I remembered and yet at several spots, and totally out of place in this otherwise nostalgic soft focus essay, where these jabs at the “looney left”.
I read it and thought, he wrote this beautiful piece, took to his editor who rejected it as not fitting their “style”, added what he needed to to get it published and probably called it a compromise in his mind.
I don’t know that’s what happend, I’m just speculating. He signed on with an organization that requires a steep slant to it’s product. THAT decision, maybe I can quarrel with. But being true to his obligation to his employer. I have less quarrel with.
Also, the focus on ISLAMIC TERRORISTS, coming so shrilly from him is understandable. He was part of a group of people who risked their careers and futures trying to speak truth to power and convince Washington and a few juries, that they were not wingnut consiracy theorists making up plots full of camel jockeys.
They were afraid no one would believe them. Some, I think, are still afraid that with the passage of time and folks like Joementumn calling everyone and everything a terrorist, that the American people and the American Government will take it’s eye off the ball.
I agree with him, and our boy Fitz, that there are Islamofacsists out there who are perverting a beautiful religion and culture and who believe that they are waging Holy War against the West and all our decadent ways.
If he sounds shrill, perhaps it is because he, who is privy to a lot of information that will never make its way into the public realm, knows just how much he should be afraid.
Andy worked on the Al Quaeda investigation. Of the material produced by that investigation, I would wager that only a very small fraction resulted in indictment and trial. Think of all the things that prey on his mind with respect to this subject, and he is not legally allowed to warn you. Remember that pesky Grand Jury secrecy?
cbl @ 3:56 pm (#66) - LOL. If only my people had a blackberry, we could accomplish so much.
The White House Press Corps is showing signs of life. They’re still a little miffed about being lied to about Rove’s involvement in blowing Plame’s cover, and the Rove’s-been-cleared theme is allowing them to ask–again–why they were lied to.
Did somebody say something not very nice about Christy? I wanna know what, and I wanna know who, because Mr. ReddHedd and I are ready to be Formidable Opponents!
Lawd, punaise, I (used to) start at the front, and the cartoon contest might as well be at the far reaches of the farthest galaxy, for all I know.
Really miss those cartoons too. ‘Specially the Booths.
Jane 37 — What’s amazing is that Ryan admits its an “off the record” dinner, and then talks about Christy at the dinner. I guess it’s time to convene a blogger ethics panel.
Teddy 75, that’s tellin’ ‘em!
punaise #71–I LOVE the cartoon caption contest! It’s the best change they’ve ever made. I always start at the back now too. Which cartoon did your friend write??
One of my favorites was, “Finally, a faith-based initiative I can support!”
Lobstergirl 18 — I’d like to hear from PJF’s BFF Andy McCarthy on the subject, too.
The Plame leak is to nutty progressive Democrats what the Vince Foster suicide was to nutty right-wing Republicans?
If that’s the case, then what I’d really like to see if Byron York’s article on his friends who obssessed over Vince Foster — an article showing why they’re nutty.
Has York ever written such an article?
I’m using my FDL tile as a coaster right this very moment.
Net Neutrality is dead if we don’t act NOW
Oscarmom 79 - it was the one where there was a job interview in the foreground, and in the background several disgruntled empluyees were chasing after each other with weapons and such. the punchline was “So. How soon can you start?”
(PS - Hi John, I’ve been making great progress on your project….)
Methinks we rocked Byron’s world. He’s writes about us every fucking day. Note to Byron - your hair is not all that.
Jane at 37 — I hate to tell Ryan Lizza, but if he thinks some well executed carpaccio is going to make me giddy and compromised, then he doesn’t know me and my foodie ways very well. It might make me want to get to know the chef better, however, but the hosts? They have to earn the praise from far more than just good menu selection. (And for the record, the carbonara needed work…) For someone invited to an off-the-record dinner designed to open conversation between parties that are often at odds with themselves, Lizza appears to have just closed those doors right up again by being unable to comprehend the meaning of “off the record.” Silly boy.
“…is Byron York’s article” not “…if Byron York’s article…”
“he seems obsessed with my day job”
didn’t catch it til the 2nd read - damn you are smooth girl
Someone thinks like we do:
Jim Dean, bro of the DNC chair and head of Democracy for America, is hopping mad at the DSCC and Chuck Schumer.
We reported yesterday that Schumer pointedly declined to rule out supporting Lieberman even if Lieberman’s allies were to mount an independent bid on his behalf. . .
That really oinked off Jim Dean, who wrote this morning that
“Joe hasn’t confirmed that he’s planning to run as an Independent. But his campaign seems to be laying the groundwork, courting important Beltway insiders from both sides of the aisle. . . . The DSCC’s mission is to elect Democrats to the Senate. Yet in this case, they would prefer to back an incumbent who leaves the party instead of a principled progressive who’s proud to be a Democrat.”
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou.....c_ove.html
In their heirarchy of who’s kewl it’s pretty clear that “hollywood producer” trumps “diminutive New York Times columnist,” “journalist with great hair,” and “ass-fucking bloggeress.”
Too bad for them we got dibs on the kewl ladies.
Lmao,Teddy.
Teddy 75:
How utterly condescending. Well, if he wants to go, we’ll go.
Christy 86 — Remember when I was walking shoeless through the Ventian? I told you that one was going to be trouble.
Sigh. Lizza is gonna get beat up by a girl.
Can I just say how glad I am not to have been invited to that shit? It pays to stay lower on the radar. Instead, I got to hang out with readers.
Pach, Thanks for the nice spew moment. Good one.
He’s just pissed because Christy didn’t know who he was. After dinner I said “who was at your table?” And she said “oh, some guy named Ron.”
Jane at 93 — Yep. I wonder if he’d like everyone to know how he was fawning over Mark Warner after his interview…because that wasn’t exactly off the record.
Christy, Did he ask where the ketchup was?
Busted — I actually felt kind of sorry for him and spent time talking to him because no one else was. That’s what I get for being nice…
http://fora.tv/ has the plame leak investigation panel discussion, they don’t have a way to link internally and there is a free registration but it seems to be complete.
I thought Swank Trattoria was a stripper over at the Crazy Horse Too.
OT? I’m pasting on dinosaur dialup–have a great weekend all.
No better time and place for the Dems to start the Get Real message%u2014America must Get Real again%u2014than this stunt in the house. In the spirit of Captain Kirk, it’s time to game the Kobyashi Maru [sp?]. Yes or no vote? Hell, no%u2014denounce the stunt loudly over and over in clear Get Real terms.
And Dems, stop letting yourselves be rolled over, unite and vote present. Show this political theatre for the stunt that it is.
This is a desperate Republican stunt to take Iraq out of the election equation.
Shouldn’t her name be Anal Marie Cox?
Or is it Anal Marie Cocks?
I think I like no. 1.
Thank you. Participate at will. Tip your waitresses. Good night.
I can tell you, without details, that Lizza was Catty Chatty Kathy with some other folks who, er, spent a lot of time in the press room, warning them by email not to talk openly around us bloggers, because we would write about everything, even if it’s just casual chat. And look what he does!
At next year’s YK, I say people should bring actual cocktail weenies and pass them out to the press. :)
Jnae @ 97 - that is pretty damn funny.
“Jnae” = Jane. But then you knew that.
Pach 94 — Lizza’s already been beaten up by a girl. Whether that has any relationship to the pigtail dunking Christy got I couldn’t say.
Of course, what would I know. I was “just glad to be out of the house learning a few things.” *snerk* That’s just pitiful.
LOL Jane. First link not working, though.
Murray Waas is just too adorable.
Well, Christy, you did ride in on the turnip truck taxi.
Slothrop #102
LOL!
Bustednuckles, sorely EPU’d but if you still need the Clueless link it is http://www.firedoglake.com/200...../#comments
having been to a few high-priced fundraising soirees myself: cocktail weenies are definitely declasse…even my little innercity supermarket sells several brands of those things…
Christy -
You haven’t sent Mr. Reddhedd to Niger lately have you?
without cholera and yellow-fever shots, Mr. Reddhedd can’t even get a visa to enter Niger …
Pach at 113 — Oh sure, you had to bring THAT up. lol Just don’t tell anyone that they picked me up at Bumpkin Holler…oooooops. (I mean, jeebus, Lizza clearly has no children if he thinks you just sit at home and have brain stagnation. Or, if he does have children and thinks this way, someone ought to tell his wife…)
Pach 111 — works for me.
Jane Hamsher @ 4:40 pm (#109) - the “beaten up” link is 404.
shooogarp at 117 — well, no, I haven’t sent Mr. ReddHedd on an all expenses paid junket to malaria central to look into the fascinating topic of why Dick Cheney and his pals are weaselly liars…but hey, we can’t all get the good assignments, now can we? (And can I say that the “wife sent him on a junket/boondoggle” idiocy is still a wingnut talking point is beyond me…like it’s some swanky, ClubMed outpost for wayward public servants or something…morons.)