
The AP is reporting that Lieberman is weighing his options and considering whether to begin a signature campaign to get himself on the November ballot as an Independent. We always knew he had no problem planting a knife firmly in the back of the Democratic party; giving it a little twist must seem like no big deal.
The more I think about the idea that all those Unity 08 pricks setting up shop to "urge" Joe Lieberman into an independent run, the more I want to smack myself on the forehead and say "how did I miss that." I don't know that they'll actually do it, but the framework is certainly in place if the need arises. It's no coincidence that it happening along side the rising power of the Netroots. When the DLC types get targeted for fucking up the party and standing for nothing more than fattening their own larders, they've got to have some place to jump. Now we know where that is.
The polling numbers out today on Holy Joe must have them all in a shitless state of perma-pucker. My jaw dropped open when I saw them myself. According to Rasmussen (via Kos and Taegan Goddard):
- Lieberman 46
- Lamont 40
That's moved from 51/31 on April 27. It is going to take me the rest of the day at least to wrap my brain around the idea that this is no longer a long-shot.
It's still going to be tricky. We're heading into unknown territory; there is no yardstick to measure the new dynamics of this particular race. As Colin McEnroe wrote this morning (via email):
There are so many questions. The main one is: is there some kind of new paradigm working here or not? As far as the poll goes, Lieberman's real number is even softer, because the only stat that matters is likely voters and conventional wisdom says that the falsely self-identifying likely voter is more apt to say he will vote for the familiar name.
On the other hand -- from an operative's point of view, the game works a little differently. The truth is that 20 to 25 percent of the eiligible primary voters will vote in this thing. 20 is the smarter number. So then it's all about phone banks and super-prime voters. You call and you call and you call and you try to nail down and motivate that sliver -- 11 percent of the registered democrats -- that you actually need in order to win. Lieberman has more seasoned people for a field operation. And more resources. The reason he has not bolted toward an independent candidacy -- although he is absolutely thinking about it -- is that the numbers game is a much smaller one and it can be won by very sophisticated people.
Ordinarily, you cannot win by registering new voters and widening the pie wedge.you have to nail down the people who already do vote. On the other hand, it could be a real actual paradigm shift in which case Ned wins. The internet is kind of a wild card.
Colin also has a very good piece up this morning about Lieberman booster and former Connecticut Democratic Party chief John Droney, who yesterday referred the challenge to Lieberman as "terrorism." He's quite a piece of work:
In explaining why he thinks his old buddy Joe Lieberman sould run as an independent, Droney disaparages the people who are likely to show up at the primary polls on Aug. 8. He said, "Every single weirdo in the left wing will be there," Droney said. "That's what the Lamont strategy is all about."
Apparently, if you deplore the stagnating war in Iraq, if your stomach turns to see your country acquire an international reputation for torture and human rights violation, if you look upon Lieberman's blithely unrepentant attitude as proof that he is prepared to make the same kind of mistake again and again, you are a left-wing weirdo. It's the kind of remark you don't want to make about the other team before the game, because it gets taped up to a wall in the locker room and fires up the opposing squad. A smarter guy than Droney would know that.
Actually, there's a sub-text to Droney's remark that a lot of people might miss. It goes at least as far back as 1992 when his total lack of influence with the voters of his own party and his mortifying ineffectuality as a political operative were made manifest. He was chairman of the Connecticut Clinton for President campaign that year. He and longtime Clinton buddy Lieberman were supposed to deliver the state to Clinton, but a bunch of left-wing weirdos showed up at the polls and gave the state to Jerry Brown. It was a humiliating blow for Droney who has always fancied himself a player on the national level.
Matt Stoller has more on Droney. All I can say is, I wholeheartedly approve of the team Joe is putting together for The Cut-And-Run 2006 Campaign.
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Remember that those numbers come with a Margin of Error of 7 (!!!!) so keep that grain of salt handy at least for the time being… but still and all it looks good for showing Joe the door.
Fitz! Gore! Feingold! Ned!
BYE, Joe!
THis was posted on Kos. I have no idea whether it is true:
via Myleftnutmeg.com (1 / 0-)
Recommended by:thirdparty, John Campanelli
Lieberman’s Calling Registered Republicans for Support
by: terhuxtim
June 14, 2006 at 15:57:36 EST5EDT
(You heard it here first, folks! - promoted by BranfordBoy)
I’m staying with my inlaws for the time being who are both registered Republicans, but good people all the same :)
I answered the phone today and who was it that was calling? Why, it was Joe Lieberman’s campaign asking for support and money from my Mother and father in law, both registered republicans.
More about the phone call on the flip
There’s More… :: (2 Comments, 2 new, 106 words in story)
jane, don’t take the rest of the day. time is of the essence. do it NOW!
This is one we can win, Jane. Keep it up.
Who’s next?
regardless of what the odds are and what the outcome is, we need to do every bit of magic we can to help LAMONT!
Can I ask a perhaps stupid question?
Doesn’t this help our side tremendously? Presumably the Republicans will still run someone, won’t they? So it’ll be a three-way race, the Republican for the fiscal conservatives, the Cut and Run, and the Democrat. It’ll be a lot easier for Democrats to support Ned based on the fact that he will run unopposed in the party’s primary.
Anyway, I must be missing something, because it seems like it’d be easier for Ned to win a three-way than a two-way against Joementum.
Oh, one more thing. Is someone going to PAY Joementum to get signatures for the ballot? Or does his one volunteer plan on doing all the door knocking?
oh yeah, that left wing weirdo Jerry Brown who:
1. Ran with a Flat Tax plank (boy is that leftist?)
2. Is now running fo AG in CA (another place lefties asprie to - Law Enforcement)
It seems to me that there is such a vacuum in REAL conservative values, that LEFTIES are filling the void
Weird world we live in
btw - GO NED!
emptywheel:
I think the indy run weakens Joe, as you said.
The real ballgame is the DSCC. If they support Indy Joe over Dem Ned, you have a civil war in the party - one we will win. There will be scalps.
Lamont shook my hand last week, and I still haven’t washed it. We need to win this one; I can’t stand the thought of just another valiant showing. (For that, we’ll have Tasini.)
Absent some kind of discontinuity (major oppo research “find” or nuking Iran or something), Joe’s mentum is headed straight into Hades. A six-point gap and still (I’m assuming) Ned’s name recognition isn’t anywhere near its potential yet.
How do you spell Gurney Boy? “T-O-A-S-T”
What’s really fun to explore, though, is the potential dynamics of a three-way race. Survey data are meaningless now, as voters haven’t even wrapped their heads around characterizing Ned yet, let alone what a “traitor” label might do to G.B. in the general.
Gonna need a boatload of popcorn for this one!
To expand on Emptywheel’s 8-
Wouldn’t those who vote straight party line also hurt Joe’s chances?
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Send a message from the blogosphere to the “traditional” Democrats!
SUPPORT NED LAMONT
This race is about much more than he and Holy Joe.
GIVE–CALL–WRITE–KNOCK ON DOORS
If we want to be a political power, we have to act like one!
An interesting diary on the Unity 08 scenario at dkos: ( http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/13/195748/397 )
Also, apparently Schumer is not ruling out ( http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....164027/963 ) supporting Lieberman as an independent. I honestly don’t know what is the point of a primary if the results of it are optional.
Joe going Indy would *definitely* show as a defeat for him.
If he thought he could win as a Dem, he would never defect. Plus the media will be all over it, and believe me, he won’t come across as a power player.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: the leaders of the national party (that’s YOU, Harry Reid) should meet up with Lieberman about whether he plans to either (a) run against Lamont as an independent, or (b) endorse anyone else against Lamont, should he lose the primary.
IMHO, he doesn’t have to endorse or support Lamont if he loses (who cares if he does or not?) just so long as he doesn’t go over to the other side.
But if Lieberman can’t give ‘NO’ as an answer to both of those questions, then Reid should immediately strip Lieberman of his committee assignments, and let the Connecticut Democratic Party know the national Democratic Party supports Lamont for the nomination.
If Lieberman won’t commit to being a Democrat, then it’s time to toss him out on his ass. If Reid can kick him out of the party, this would be a good time for it.
emptywheel and pach: I’d like to believe Ned would win in a three-way, but click the link on the April 27 polling numbers. The general electorate is a way bigger and dumber beast than Democratic primary likely-voters.
Lieberman needs to be shamed into facing Ned and bowing out if he loses. The mass education necessary to carry Ned to victory in a three-way would make Ned’s campaign up to now look like a slide down the grease-pole (or whatever; I’m all metaphored out).
Thanks, Colin McEnroe — excellent analysis and a beautifully-delivered 1992 history lesson!
Here are some details, FYI, that people may have missed relating to this week’s news about Karl Rove:
1. In the government’s response to the third Libby motion to compel discovery, filed on April 6, 2006 (on pdf Page 9 of 39), is this statement:
“Because the government does not intend at this time to call three of these individuals - Mr. Tenet, Mr. Hadley, and Mr. Rove - defendant [Libby] is not entitled to discovery based on the need to prepare to cross-examine those individuals.”
[The individuals referenced are those the Libby defense had claimed were “potential government witnesses.”]
The AP seems to be indicating today in their reporting about yesterday’s news, that the Libby defense team is planning to call Karl Rove as a witness, however, in which case he would be available for cross-examination by the government. Rove is not, however, in any way central to the government’s case against Libby, as far as I can tell.
2. Putting all the various media reports quoting Luskin et al together, it seems pretty clear that Fitzgerald first called Luskin on Monday to alert him to the forthcoming letter, and then followed up by faxing the letter. Thus there was a call, a letter, and a fax, in the same afternoon, at around 4 p.m. I believe it has also been reported that a further conversation was conducted by phone at about 9 p.m. that night by Fitzgerald and Luskin.
3. Regarding the Libby status conference hearing held Monday at 1:30 p.m.: David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation magazine was present, along with “a few” other reporters. The only facts Corn reports about what transpired at the hearing are that it lasted for about 15 minutes and that it concerned only matters of “bookkeeping.” I find his account, as posted on his blog (thanks to someone here who provided that link), completely irresponsible and inexplicable for a ‘journalist’ (although I applaud his initiative in at least showing up). Because he couldn’t get a comment out of the special counsel after the hearing, Corn asserts that there was no “news” to give his readers. Yet all kinds of clues and inferences could have been drawn from an informed observation of the participants and their discussion. This was, in fact, a potentially explosive conference with respect to issues of privilege, and the fact that it wasn’t is the “news,” etc., etc. At any rate, clearly the transcript won’t take long to produce, and should soon be available, considering the brevity of the hearing.
4. Jeff alerted people at emptywheel’s blog overnight to a story in the New York Observer, which is basically a rant against bloggers by Robert Luskin. Quite the display of pique by Mr. Luskin on behalf of his “innocent” client:
http://www.observer.com/200606.....ory2-2.asp
And finally, a possible silver lining:
I think it is debatable whether it is Congressional Republicans or Congressional Democrats who are more afraid of Karl Rove’s power and influence. I could envision, if Rove had been indicted and forced to resign, that the Republicans in Congress would have felt liberated from his complete control over them via the RNC and its funds, and via his role as one of Bush’s main enforcers. So liberated, in fact, that the Republicans might have reasserted their authority and oversight duties under the Constitution as a separate branch of government (at least for show), thus quickly disappearing any remaining campaign issue in that regard for the Democrats, before the Congressional Democrats could get their feeble act close to ready. In other words, the long-lost conscience of the Republicans in Congress may have reappeared to some degree despite the efforts of Bush and Cheney, with Rove out of the picture.
I am now confident that that won’t happen (unfortunately for our country, but perhaps to the undeserved benefit of the Democratic Party this fall). But if the Democrats want to gain a majority this fall, they will have to do it the old-fashioned way (as they should if they wish to receive a mandate and real credibility with their majority): by earning it, in the face of every last dirty trick Rove will use against them.
At the risks of exposing myself as hopelessly naive:
RGJoe’s apparent frantic willingness to abandon his party in order to keep his seat shows that he believes the people of Connecticut are there to serve him rather than the other way around.
Don’t you think that would generally piss off Democrats, Independents, and Republicans?
And what Professor Foland said: if the participants in a primary don’t have to abide by its outcome, and if the party itself won’t stand behind the winners of such primaries, then what’s the point?
…a shitless state of perma-pucker. heh.
Perhaps we need to express our views to Schumer and Reid as well!
Ralphbon, that April 27th poll is light years ago in campaign time. Totally irrelevant now. (per CT Bob, and it makes sense to me)
Whiny ass titty baby Joe. Can I have his scalp as a souvenir?
From a few threads back . . . can’t repeat this enough!
“I hope every Senator who ignored our faxes and voted for cloture on Alito gets a little shiver when they watch what is happening to Joe.”
D*MN STRAIGHT! (Listening, Maria?)
Schumer’s endorsement of Lieberman as an independent just fortifies my oppinion about the democrats wanting to stay as the minority party.
I will say this, though: I gave $200 to Lamont real early, and I’m feeling mighty good about it now. I was figuring on contributing maybe $1200-1500 this cycle, so that was a pretty big chunk of my political budget, so to speak, and I knew it was a gamble. But I was just SO fed up with Lieberman always having his guns trained on his own party, rather than across the aisle.
They’d just better not try a Hackett job on Ned . . . grrrr
You ready? Put your drinks down and click
HT judyfordean ;)
emptywheel 8 — the pure polling numbers (taken a while back, as Ralphbon notes) indicate that if Republicans are in the mix as they would be in November, Joe stands a better chance. But do these polls take into account the HORRIBLE publicity that a “cut and run” strategy would bring down on Lieberman? I doubt it.
This is getting very, very exciting. Howie, Stoller and I are going to go to Connecticut for the primary. I wouldn’t miss it for the world.
OK…can the DSCC and Democrats in general support an Independent over a true Democrat?
We already know the party has some explaining to do WRT no leadership on the main issue of the day: Iraq, but any shred of credibility the party has will be decimated if they actually give money to independent Liberman.
It will come down to the fact that we have two parties that could give a shit about democracy. Ruthugs who do their best to steal elections and change the rules to help their party and Dems who change the rules to help their party.
Both having records of going AGAINST what voters, their constituents want. So basically all of these jerks just want to preserve their power and the status quo.
So much for our representative democracy. So much for will of the people. Oh and then there is Diebold and electronic black box voting.
Sounds like we need a plan to out the Democrats that decide to support Independent Liberman over Democrat Lamont. What should the consequences be? Target each and every one of the for the next election? Hmm…
Oscarmom 30 — They already tried to “Hackett” Ned from what I understand, and he was having none of it. He stood his ground.
He’s made of tough stuff, that Ned.
Pachacutec #11,
It’s war then. Schumer and the DSCC apparently will support the members of the inner circle instead of the Democratic Party.
Will an independent
leiberman candidacy attracts any voters at all? Of course. Will most of those voters have otherwise voted Dem or Republican in a race between Dem Lamont and Rep whoever? I’m guessing Dem. To me it seems obvious that an independent Lieberman run throws the race to the Rep candidate.
I am near certain that Lieberman will run as an ‘independent’ and can even imagine the Republican candidate withdrawing from the race or running a non-campaign.
If Lieberman wins in November against Lamont it will be the most serious test the Democratic Party has faced in a very long time. If he is not repudiated in no uncertain terms I for one will stop contributing to the party though I might support individual candidates.
That said I think that the voters of CT are smarter than that and that he will not win the general election. I may even move to CT for October to work on the campaign.
emptywheel at 8 Can I ask a perhaps stupid question?
No, I don’t think you are capable of asking anything less than a highly intelligent question :)
Is it not cool to use your real name? I’ve noticed that most everyone has a handle, like a trucker! Some are pretty snappy too! Anyway, my comment is this: I’ve never really liked JoeL. I had hoped Al would pick someone about his age. Silly I guess. But this is even sillier: I don’t like JoeL because he SOUNDS stupid.
JFC! If Shumer ever wanted to exorcise Dems across the US, he may get his wish.
Can’t help but wonder if they have just cut RG Joe loose…
Say it ain’t so, Dildo Joe.
-GSD
Love that Mudcat Saunders… on Tweety now.
Working for Webb and Democrats!
Wadhams (Allen’s guy) not looking so good. ;)
Wow…this has been a busy fricken week!
Branford Boy I happen to know is in FLA right now, so I’m inclined to believe he received the call mentioned in My Left Nutmeg.
The air is fairly crackling with rumors of Joe’s imminent departure; even money has him gone by Friday night. We’ve started a campaign to get all our CT Dem representitives on the record that they’ll support Lamont if Joe hightails it.
I got a new video on my blog, it’s Ned’s radio ad they way it should look on TV.
Tomorrow Lamont will be officially endorsed by both the FTA and CEA, two teacher’s unions that represent over 60,000 educational workers in CT. This is a biggie folks, and Spazeboy will be there with video, so be sure to check out the Ned Lamont Resource at La Resistance later tomorrow.
Yesterday Holy Joe did another sneak attack, this time in my town at a diner, about a half mile from my house WHILE I WAS HOME! You can’t imagine my frustration at that sneaky S.O.B. just showing up like that in secret. Christ, the Iraqi PM had better notice of Bush’s visit than I got from Joe.
We may need to substantial altar our plans in the coming days when Joe flees. Looks like the August 8th primary won’t be necessary, and now we’ll have to focus on November 8th.
I won’t say this isn’t exciting, but I’m all for a few days for a breather!
I am from Texas, but be kind. I would think that an “Indy” Joe would split both the Dem and GOP tickets. He had to have gotten some republican voters after all these years or he wouldn’t be sucking up to them so hard.
But he also has to be getting votes from Democrats who feel a loyalty to him, like maybe older voters. I don’t know. In my World (Texas) if you can get someone to split the ticket you do. (i.e. GOP strategy) It almost always favors the incumbent, probably 99% of the time, but since he is changing parties I don’t know? In my county its 99.9% Democrat, So the primary is the election. If you are the incumbent. The more challengers gets you into the run-off and then likely the win because the other voters won’t vote for the other challenger that came in 2nd.
And if Indy Joe wins then what? He is his own party and free to alieniate who he wants but can ask for money from all the voters? Or will he just go full Republican?
emptywheel at 8: While I it might help Lamont if Joe gives up and goes Indy, it could hurt in other races. I wrote over at Kos:
However, this is an argument for Joe not running as an Independent if he cares at all about the Democratic party, not an argument against challenging him in the primary.
op99:
Does anyone here have access to today’s three-way numbers corresponding to those in the 4/27 poll?
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BTW, emptywheel, you are a ROCK STAR.
“Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence. It is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind those we are obliged to trust with power…. In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” — Thomas Jefferson, 1799
Go Ted
“The Ultimate in Vanity
Exploiting Their Supremacy
I Can’t Believe the Things You Say
I Can’t Believe
I Can’t Believe the Price You Pay
Nothing Can Save You
Justice Is Lost
Justice Is Raped
Justice Is Gone
Pulling Your Strings
Justice Is Done
Seeking No Truth
Winning Is All
Find it So Grim
So True
So Real”
-Metallica
Go Ted!
Forget Fitz
Roots, Grooves, and Love to All
Sorry, meant to delete the “op99″ from #47.
Regarding the Rasmussen poll, it’s based on a very low number of voters, I think 218, and the margin of error is estimated at 7%, so theoretically Ned might be either leading by 1% or trailing by 13%. Scientifically, this poll isn’t very reliable; emotionally (and that’s what counts for a LOT in a campaign) it’s a huge boost to Lamont’s chances. This is one case where I welcome an uncritical media.
Hey, we might as well have it work FOR us for a change!
Oh–and another thing!
I really resent the establishment Dems informing us that we “MUST” get behind the incumbent. Fercripessake, don’t tell the voters how to vote. It really p*sses them off.
The incumbent has no god-given right to stay in office–they should have to earn it just the same as anyone else.
If Lamont wins the primary and the DSCC backs Lieberman, it will be the end of the DSCC as an organization any non-Beltway Democrat would even consider contributing to. And maybe that would be a good thing. We have the netroots to fund authentic Democrats. The DSCC can fight the DLC for corporate backing.
Lieberman on CNN right now pretending to be concerned about government scientists being muzzled by the Bush idea police.
this is where schumer needs to fish or cut bait — if joe bolts & chuck still supports him, we’ll know it’s all about keeping the mossad senatorial caucus at full strength — if hillary supports joe it will kill the two party system, which may well be a blessing
ned didn’t get hacketted because ned has bucks & hackett’s middle class — let’s be realistic: folks from the vanishing middle class have no chance unless they suck up
Good news that Ned has fended off at least one Hackett job . . . more power to him!
I can’t actually envision HOW establishment Dems could support Joe as an indy. After all, he would ostensibly be doing damage to the Dems’ chances of holding on to the seat, and of gaining control of Congress in general. How can that sort of treachery be tolerated, let alone endorsed? I don’t see it happening.
For once the 2-party system may work in our favor . . .
Here’s one more sign - Democrat State Central, which has been agressively ignoring Lamont in the fervent hope he’ll eventually get discouraged and go away, has finally put up a Lamont banner on their front page.
http://www.ctdems.org/index2.php
Every single sign is looking promising!
May Schumer’s and Lieberman’s heavyhandedness come back to bite them. And may it bite the Demo party if it goes along. I live on the other side of the country, but that race in Connecticut will affect how I vote. The system is broken if it comes to that, and to me, a non-affiliated, there would be no more democracy in such a Democratic party than there is in the Rethugs today. A one-party system controlled by money alone.
Jane @ 33 –
Are you sure that the publicity in the wake of a Lieman cut & run would be horrible? I wouldn’t at all put it past the national media to frame it as statesmanlike, a way out of confrontational politics, etc.
…and George Bush says today that calls for U.S. withdrawl from Iraq are nothing but election year politics. Mr. Bush, you may be speaking to your base, but try telling that to the families of those Americans and Iraqi’s who have forfeited their existence on your say so. President Bush is so callous, cynical and contemptable he defies comprehension.
“Droney disaparages the people who are likely to show up at the primary polls on Aug. 8″
Does he live in DC? I am beginning to think there is something in the water there. What explains this type of “thinking?”
I wish FDL would get a shrink or something to explain this. Is it as easy as they are like the “good Germans” during WWII?
And what’s Lieberman’s talking point running as an Independent? That after 18 years and countless favors to pols and voters, he was too chickenshit to present his credentials to Democratic primary voters and abide by their decision? That his election would be universally perceived as support for continuing the Iraq fiasco? That Connecticut voters can show their support for Bush by voting for him? That Republicans should prefer him to the real Republican in the race? That he’d be more effective as an Independent than as a member of a party? How’s that working out for Jeffords and Sanders?
I’m serious. What’s his argument? It’s his arrogant disdain for the opinions of his constituents that’s gotten him into this situation. How does he make chicken salad out of that?
He is a COWARD. Let’s let him know that’s what we think.
How is a COWARD good for our national security?
As a CT Democrat, I can tell you that Joe is toast and deservedly so.
#60
Holy Joe “statesmanlike, a way out of confrontational politics,”
Bwaaaaahahahahahahahaha!!
If people are going to obsess (and why not, I guess) over today’s most recent polling numbers, I’d like to put in a request that we be shown the answers to all of the questions about this race.
Any sort of intellingent handicapping (however oxymoronic that might sound) will need to account for the current state of all-repeat-all likely voters for the general. Dollars to doughnuts, there are more than enough undecided votes in play to swing that election either way.
The “Ned Lamont” that voters percieve now will not be the “Ned Lamont” they’d be voting for/against in November, partly because of his ID, and partly because the context will be different then.
Even if you ask the survey question, “What if Joe runs indy…?” now, the accuracy of voters’ answers would be questionable because he hasn’t bolted yet and all of the resulting fallout hasn’t happened, either. So respondents would just be guessing.
I’d be interested in seeing how many people are solidly in one camp or the other, and trending if available. Those data would tell me (1) if voters are dropping Joe because he’s Joe, and there’s now an alternative; or (2) people are giving Ned a look and liking what they see. Those possibilities have different forecast implications.
The tricky thing for Joe & Co. is that, even though numbers likely will be softer than goose down for a while, they’re going to have to make some big decisions on them anyway. If I were the Tagamet rep in CT, I’d be making out the deposit slip on that quarterly bonus check already.
OK Kiddo 61 -
“President Bush is so callous, cynical and contemptable he defies comprehension.”
You have a gift for understatement.
paging Barbara Boxer….
Tweety jst said the beginning of Bushies speech today was “Churchill like”…do you believe this crap? What an IDIOT
Ron Thompson: Good questions. Between the bankruptcy of Lieberman’s justifications for going indie and the superb rhetorical irony of his cutting and running from the Democratic primary, maybe educating the November electorate to his abject worthlessness will be less daunting than I suggested upthread.
Today in other NedNews, courtesy Atrios:
http://lamontblog.blogspot.com.....amont.html
As per Duncan… “Be careful with this one Chuck…”
Teacher, I need you!
Ron Thompson @54 - yeah, if Schumer really does back Joe as an indy, I suspect he’s going to have plenty of time to regret it. Way to piss on the democratic process and piss off the voters, Chuck.
It’s becoming apparent that labor has had enough of Rape Gurney Joe. With the latest teachers union endoresment on the heels of an AFL/CIO endorsement,Lamont is suredly picking up steam.
Preview would like to be my friend…..
Franco at 71
Actually I think the comparison between Bush and Churchill deserves
more,……….investigation.
“It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half-naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the king-emperor.”
- Winston Churchill, 1930
Part of the reason for the two teacher’s unions endorsing Lamont almost definitely has to do with the fact that Ned teaches a class in business at a Bridgeport inner-city school. Somehow I don’t see Lieberman making that sort of selfless contribution to the community.
Skippy on #107 over at the “Translation” thread, with regard to your post:
Hey, I scooped you both, afterall you ARE quoting moi. ;)
Twould it appear it is *I* who deserves the strut. Moreover, a double strut. :D
I live in NYC & Schumer is threatening to support Lieberman even if he loses the primary. So I just sent Schumer the following email:
You’re a fool to support Lieberman. Anyone who supports the Iraq War, which the U.S. lost when the looting started, is on the wrong side of history. Ned Lamont is by far the better candidate, the kind of person we want to represent the Democratic Party.
And rape-gurney Lieberman???!!! Says a raped woman can easily shop around for a hospital that will prescribe the morning-after pill? Why in the world would you want such a person in the Party? Oh, I forgot. You’re not a woman.
As for electability, have you noticed that Lieberman’s wheels are coming off the bus? He’s getting testy to the point of jumping overboard just from a little competition from someone who’s never been in politics before. Imagine how irrational he’ll get if he loses the primary.
Franco #71–This isn’t the first time for Tweety–after the Decider’s “honest mistakes” confession last month he said he was like Lincoln!!! I mean honestly!!! I cannot watch his bald ballooning head.
Talcott-
I think there were only about three words in that speech that Chimpy would know how to pronounce.
We should concentrate on modeling how this plays out for 2006 only.
THERE IS AT LEAST ONE OTHER UNITY GROUP OUT THERE — besides Unity08. I’ve been sworn to silence, however I do know there are people who are both moderate Republicans and Dems who’ve been working on this for a while now, unrelated to the U08 team. I do not believe them to be sympathetic to DLC folks, although at least one of them has chops working with DLC members.
We have two issues before us:
1) Get Ned elected, regardless of Joe-mentum’s tack. It’s that simple, just keep our heads down, focus on increasing name recognition and getting more endorsements, GOTV.
2) Develop a crystal clear message for the reform Dems (not the Dems affiliated with any unity group or DLC). As I see it, it’s the DLC’rs/centrists who have had problems with messaging all along, because their messages are easily co-opted by the right and because they are ambivalent when that happens. We, on the other hand, are the real opposition party; we are returning to the roots of the Democratic Party and are proponents of the real democratic (little d) process.
All I can say is, hasta pasta, Joe.
Zbig on Lehrer News Hours ripping Chimp a new one…..
I remember commenting about this sizing up to be a perfect storm. Someone commented back about all the hard work and herculean task it would be to unseat Joe. I think I was misunderstood. The storm is the netroots and grassroots that are pissed off and not going to take it an more. We are the perfect storm. I only wish I could dedicate more time to the effort. I’ve had about one hour total on the internet since I left Vegas last Friday. I really enjoyed meeting all of you (who attended) and am dissapointed at those I missed (swopa)
I have an idea for a good post. I would post it on my blog but a) I doubt I’ll have the time to write it for a while and b) I’d like it to be read. If you’re interested Ms. Hamsher, email me and I’ll provide the details. It’s about the flak Gore’s new flick is getting. Gotta run, be back later tonight. Thanks.
rcauthen: the beauty of this race is the national media are bystaners. It’s the CT local and online media who are setting the tone of coverage.
It’s hard for me to imagine anyone voting for Alf’s dad in ANY race.
Check out the actor who played Alf’s father.
Yes, I’m dating myself, but it is a funny comparison. The resemblance in look and tone is rather striking.
Hi all. Just zipping in & out here — back later. How’s looseheadprop’s comeback from the flu progressing, we heard?
C’mon Joe, chicken in:
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…Lamont, a multimillionaire owner of a cable television company, launched an ad campaign this week asking for Lieberman’s support should he win the primary, and promising to back Lieberman should the senator prevail.
“What do you say, Senator?” Lamont asks in the radio ad. “May the best Democrat win.”
Lamont’s campaign manager, Tom Swan, said Democrats want to know what Lieberman will do.
“If Joe Lieberman is considering abandoning the Democratic Party, the people have a right to know it,” Swan said. “Ned is agreeing to abide by the process and respect the choice of the people. Will Joe?” …
Lieberman is so….ugly.
Sorry, but it had to be said. It’s the elephant in the room that everyone is pretending not to notice.
We need more pretty candidates.
So, Schumer supports Joementum whatever he does.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou.....st_14.html
It’s been a while since I sent the DSCC any money, once I realized what a bad idea it was to do so. But I did contribute in the past. I’m going to go back in my old checkbooks and see how much money I sent them, and write Schumer and tell him I want my money back so I can send it to Lamont.
It’s too bad that the House Democratic organization has already taken the acronym “DCCC.” I was going to suggest to Schumer that the DSCC change its name to the “Democratic Crony Campaign Committee.”
#78 CT Bob re: teaching at inner-city schools–
Wow, this Lamont guy actually sounds like he might make a great candidate!
Schumer et al–care to retract before it’s too late??
lotus at 88 — was on her way to the law library earlier, she said, and feeling a bit better. Sure she’ll appreciate you asking. :)
Lamont is pretty.
pach, still here? I’ve got a netroots question.
Lamont is pretty
My head subconsiousness is talking to me again. What I read the first time was Lieberman is petty
If I might, I’ll throw my two cents into the ring.
I think it is good advice to point out that many older voters amy vote for Joe out of loyalty if he goes independent.
So I think it is important for Ned to “remember the ladies” — that is the older female voters of the state. If the Dem voters (and even many of the Repubs) are like my mother, they fought long and hard for women to have access to legal abortions. They know what the world is like wothout that right. They know the right wants to take away that right. But currently the state orgs give Joe a pass on his voting record IIRC.
What needs to be done by Ned, the blogs and people in the state is to connect with those women and compare and contrast Joe’s real position (the real Alito vote and the “hop on a gurney” quote) versus Ned’s position. It’s not just the vote but what the vote means.
These women have money and concern for their younger sisters. Get them inspired and I believe they will carry the day as it spills over to the rest of his platform.
Another Left Wing Weirdo for Ned Lamont!
Joe Lieberman (D-Connecti-Cut & Run)
What if Joe gets reelected and he changes his party affiliation to Republican?
How will Schumer feel then?
Neurophius: the DCCC called me last week asking me for money, and I let them know that I will not donate to any organization that supports people like Jane Harman, that they and DSCC are supporters of spineless prigs like Lieberman. I quoted Jane Harman’s remark that she was the, “Best Republican in the Democratic party.” and the guy was actually stunned. He replied, “She said that ?” and I told him to look it up. He did. He was shocked that they supported Jane Harman. I begged him to do some research on his own and consider supporting netroots candidats. Whenever those people call, let them have it.. the folks they pay don’t even know the truth about who they support.
Color me seriously, truly stunned that Schumer is hinting at supporting Lieberman as an Independent.
I’m stunned.
All hell will break loose if the Democratic Party doesn’t support a winning Lamont. All. Frickin’. Hell.
Does Schumer not know that? Is he so out of touch with the mood in this country that he doesn’t know that such a move would shatter support for the party across the country?
He better figure it out. Fast.
Redshift (#46):
“if he cares at all about the Democratic Party…” ? you know the answer to that don’t you?
Jomentum cares only for his personal agenda which, as we all know, rarely has anything to do with the party, or, if it does it’s a distant second thought after his own priorities have been taken care of.
Go Ned! Dodging the Democratic primary and insulting the primary voters is not going to be easy for RG Joe to spin.
And there’s no point in worrying how this plays out in a three man race in November. Backing candidates like Ned, and having them win, is the only way to get the attention and respect of the politics as usual folks (that includes politicians, party hacks, and media people).
So just take it one battle at a time, and enjoy the victories when they occur.
I see what you mean CHS re my question about Schumer at lunch the other day. Also, it was answered in the first three pages of CtG. The question should now be, how do we show Schumer his error? He is deeply enrenched in his thinking. Is blunt force political trauma the only tool he will Gestalt onto the reality based community? Am I making any sense?
I really gotta run now. You people have no idea how aggravating it is for life to interupt my continuing ed. bbl
Hey–something just occurred to me re: the Chuck Schumer stuff.
If the DSCC Dems swore NOT to support Holy Joe as an indy, that would work to *dissuade* him from turning indy in the first place.
Perhaps they are actually looking for an excuse to jettison him and embrace Lamont–and don’t want to do anything to get in the way of that possibility??
Oilfieldguy at 85 We are the perfect storm. The storm is the netroots and grassroots that are pissed off and not going to take it any more.
That’s it in a nutshell.
Excuse liberties of swapping 2nd sentence with 1st. Your words are poetry and deserve to go far.
These old-timers are not going to know what hit them. Lamont is so overwhelmingly deserving of support, Schumer, et al will certainly face a dilemma of their own making. Let the games begin.