
The LATimes has a follow-up to the Rove/Fitzgerald news of yesterday. And they ask all the right questions this time:
Behind the scenes, however, as Fitzgerald's investigation has shown, top White House strategists had worked feverishly to discredit Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, who had infuriated officials by accusing the White House of twisting intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq.The accusation was worrisome for Bush aides, who knew that the Iraq war would be a central theme of the president's reelection campaign in 2004. So Plame's identity was leaked by anonymous senior officials as part of an effort to claim that Wilson's CIA-funded trip to the African nation of Niger to investigate whether Iraq had tried to purchase uranium ore there had been a junket arranged by his CIA officer wife.
As Fitzgerald's investigation has shown, not only was Rove involved in discussing Plame with reporters, but so was Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, who has been indicted on perjury and obstruction of justice charges in the case....
The hardball proclivities weren't limited to behind-the-scenes strategists like Libby and Rove. The unfolding case would connect their actions to Cheney.
In pursuing the case against Libby, the special prosecutor released documents showing that the vice president was focused on questioning Wilson's motivation and credibility from the moment the article was published, just 10 weeks after Bush had landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier under a banner declaring "Mission Accomplished."
Fitzgerald released a copy of Cheney's handwritten notations atop Wilson's article: "Have they done this sort of thing before? Send an Amb. to answer a question? Do we ordinarily send people out pro bono to work for us? Or did his wife send him on a junket?"
Indeed, the notion that Wilson's trip to Africa was a junket arranged by his wife became a central part of the White House effort to undermine the former envoy, whose lengthy State Department career included postings in Iraq and Africa. The anti-Wilson campaign coincided with White House planning for the 2004 campaign.
Fitzgerald's investigation also led to revelations that Bush — who for months had promised to root out leakers in his administration and punish whoever disclosed Plame's identity — had authorized the release of classified information.
Wilson's contention that so offended the White House — that the administration twisted intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq — has since drawn support from intelligence officials around the globe, including former officers of the CIA. And the Niger uranium case that he described in his controversial article has become exhibit A in the cache of evidence assembled by critics to suggest that the administration cherry-picked intelligence information to justify the case for war. (Emphasis mine)
Well, that pretty much lays out the questions neatly, doesn't it? More of this, please.
Except that is only part of what needs to be discussed. And that it is getting attention 3 years later? Well, it's a bit late, but I'll take it, I suppose.
Frontline has an important piece coming up on the 20th of June at 9:00 pm ET entitled "The Dark Side." I'll let their description speak for itself:
On September 11, 2001, deep inside a White House bunker, Vice President Dick Cheney was ordering U.S. fighter planes to shoot down any commercial airliner still in the air above America. At that moment, CIA Director George Tenet was meeting with his counter-terrorism team in Langley, Virginia. Both leaders acted fast, to prepare their country for a new kind of war. But soon a debate would grow over the goals of the war on terror, and the decision to go to war in Iraq. Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and others saw Iraq as an important part of a broader plan to remake the Middle East and project American power worldwide. Meanwhile Tenet, facing division in his own organization, saw non-state actors such as Al Qaeda as the highest priority. FRONTLINE's investigation of the ensuing conflict includes more than forty interviews, thousands of pages of documentary evidence, and a substantial photographic archive. It is the third documentary about the war on terror from the team that produced Rumsfeld's War and The Torture Question. (Emphasis mine.)
That says must see teevee if I ever saw some. Pass some popcorn and call up the WHIG, the media have decided to make Cheney the story, and perhaps put Rummy in the passenger seat as the expendable duo. Anything to prop up those sagging ratings and public perceptions prior to the fall elections, I suppose, but it's an awfully pathetic strategy to argue that the President of the United States has no responsibility for failed policy initiatives because his top lieutenants are implementing them behind his back, isn't it?
Of course, you can't have people actually thinking about it in those terms: either the President knew and approved of pushing a war forward based on a false information campaign of cherry picked intelligence to sell a bill of goods the American public, or he didn't know all the facts because the President of the United States was bypassed by his own crony minions who rushed him into a war that he wanted for reasons that have not been fully explained to the public. You choose. Uh oh, we need a diversion.
Anyone hear a bus rumbling off in the distance? I hear Karl is a good driver...
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Dubya is on proving that he is in a persistent vegetative state. No offense to vegetables.
President on nation’s TV screens is just saying that the terrorists have one advantage in Iraq that they can get on our nation’s TV screens.
Random thoughts:
Economically, everything fine. Keep tax cuts for the rich because they’re working (keeping the rich, well errr, rich. Oh yes, and those Democrats they’ll raise your your your your taxes ’cause that’s what they do.
Bush responds to the people’s needs (because elections give you a feel for that kind of thing) but not to polls that measure those needs.
Our forces are providing stability in Iraq. Who knew?
Bush also had another looked in his eyes and saw his soul moment in Iraq with al-Maliki. Does anyone besides me find this creepy?
Bush wants to strong arm foreign governments to honor their aid pledges of about $10 billion. I’m sure he’ll have a lot of luck encouraging to throw their money down the same rathole we are.
Bottomline new policy: As the Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down.
Well, let me say, how proud it makes me as an American that after a mere 3 years, thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, and hundreds of billions of dollars that we don’t have we have a new winning policy in Iraq. And if it doesn’t work, well now we can proudly point to the Iraqis and say it’s their fault.
Nice.
Still, I have yet to find one mention of the possibility that Rove is cooperating with the prosecution in any of the Corporate Media’s coverage of yesterday’s announcement by Luskin.
And I really think it would behoove the forces of goodness and light to repeat ad infinitum that Rove is a stool pigeon. Sowing distrust among the opposition, ya’ know.
George Allen is already running scared. They just put up a five foot by three foot sign near Tysons Corner.
Webb! Virginia will help take back the Senate!
Also I got an email from Sestak saying their latest poll puts him exactly even with incumbent Weldon.
Control of Congress => INVESTIGATIONS
OUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Chimpy getting all mad now about his secret trip and gittin all excited bout leedershipp…LMAO
I wonder if over the course of this investigation you’ve learned anything that you didn’t know what was going on in your administration?
Fabulous question from a member of the press! Who wudda thunk it? Peter someone, don’t know his last name.
I’d love to hear how Cheney received the authority to order the shooting down of commercial aircraft. From my look at the command and control structures of our government, Cheney is outside the chain of command unless and until the President is unavailable for one reason or another.
Here’s a question I hope Frontline digs into:
Given cell phones, Secret Service links, and the whole “football” communications structure, how is it that the President was unavailable? Or did Cheney act “for him” in an unconstitutional manner?
FINALLY!!! Chimpy is done yapping.
My guess is that something will happen in August, when Bush is off at the ranch and the rest of the usual suspects are constructively absent.
And Christy, is that bus anywhere near a cliff?
Did anyone hear Mike Malloy last night? I was working and listening.
He had Shelly Drobny, the founder of Air America on and hes worked with Fitz in Chicago. He painted quite a different picture than the hero we have all looked to for salvation.
He had nothing nice to say and his take on the Rove thing was that Fitz does what he is asked.
Seder was horrified and tried to paint Fitz in the golden light but was shot down quite convincingly.
Did anyone else hear this?
unhinged…. you realize that, right?
St Wendeler
Another Rovian Conspiracy
Yay! My posts are rightfully restored!
The Deciderer is opinionating at his Presser at the moment. I wanna puke.
I predicted yesterday right outa the chute that he would stonewall any Rove questions with the “ongoing trial” red herring. And they gave him a pass on that.
Rove is not out of the woods yet.
Preznit no give Peter turkee!
Sure wish someone would ask the Pretzeldent whether he would prefer to work with Pelosi or Murtha as the next Majority Leader. :P
Thank You ReddHedd!
When you have a minute check out the NY Observer piece linked to in the last thread. There seem to be lots of hints about possible backstory there. Also more direct Quotes from Luskin.
Q: why is Luskin giving quotes ot outlets like Jeralyn and Observer? Why not NYTimes and WaPO? Something is up. These guys don’t do media by accident.
I have never understood how the “junket”/nepotism smear had traction. Wilson was a highly regarded ambassador to Irag, and also to Niger. His wife worked in Irag; she was an expert on WMD proliferation. What more appropriate person to send to niger!!?? The word “junket” on the clipped artical is a marching (smear)order to Libby.
“Look, I unnerschtand, it’s Hard Work…”
heh heh, heh heh…
Some good news in the senate fight.
Dewine in Ohio was show to be ten points ahead in a U of Cinncinnati poll some weeks ago. A more recent poll shows him losing.
Another new poll shows the race in Tennessee to be neck and neck. This is the one the dems need to take back the senate. If Ford can win- everything just might fall into place.
OT still, sorry
No one today at President’s press conference asked, Why are we building permanent bases in Iraq?
Hmmm… I seem to be red-flagged. My posts are hanging in moderation an awful long time. Did I do something to upset the hosts?
Didn’t Gimpy order a LOCAL passenger or cargo plane shot down on 9-11?
Besides the Penn state one I mean.
Lucky in a way things were so FUBAR that day the order wasn’t executed.
And then crashcart went a’hunting, got loaded, shot an old man in the face and the heart and ran away from the breathalyzer but that’s another story.
“I’d love to hear how Cheney received the authority to order the shooting down of commercial aircraft.”
Easy, they were having “War Games” on 9/11… Cheney was in charge…
Google it…
Mega EPU’d from a couple posts ago, but it seems on topic here:
Enjoying reading your stuff from Geneva, ReddHedd. The LA Times stuff is great.
I thought the big intellectual argument that the Chimperor Disgustus made at his presser was this…
“Iraq is not Vietnam because it has a democratically elected goverment.”
This, of course, comes as a surprise to those of us who remember several “Democratically elected South Vietnamese Governments” during that conflict.
Anybody got a link? Is there replay or transcript?
lhp - are you feeling better? I had a weird kind of “mini-flu” last week - body aches, skin sensitivity and fever, but nothing else. Did find myself laughing about the fact that it’s hard to tell the difference between a fever and this new age-related thing where I feel like my thermostat goes into overdrive and I feel like I’m glowing…desperately trying not to be a cliche!
Attaturk,
Just as some of us remember watching the last helicopter lift off the embassy roof.
Snowbird - no I didn’t hear it. To go along with other shitty developments this week, Air America is no longer being broadcast in Mike Malloy’s hometown, Atlanta.
T-
Anotherpawn at 26 — I don’t see anything in moderation from you, so I’m not quite sure what you are talking about as being stuck. And as I just got home (again!) late last night from a very long weekend trip to Vegas and then another side trip to DC, am playing with my daughter, trying to unpack, catch up on blogging and news from everywhere else and working on my next article, a little patience from everyone today would go a long, long way. Thanks.
Snowbird: AAR Premium does that …you can get a ‘one day pass’…checkout the AAR website…
I have to listen to AAR on the net…the station that runs it here is powered by hamsters…
If Cheney was frantically ordering them to shoot down any commercial planes in the air then why were the third and forth planes able to fly around for so long without a single shot being fired? We’re talking about fighter jets waiting on standby here, not alot of turnover time there.
“it is getting attention 3 years later? . . .
either the President knew and approved of pushing a war forward based on a false information campaign of cherry picked intelligence to sell a bill of goods the American public, or he didn’t know all the facts because the President of the United States was bypassed by his own crony minions who rushed him into a war that he wanted for reasons that have not been fully explained to the public. . . .”
Yes, the election of 2004.
But let’s not forget something which may be even bigger to Shrub. His so-called “legacy. This historical judgment hangs by many threads, but I think that if the Wilson/Plame “problem persists, if indeed the case for fabrication of the untruth of WMD’s becomes even more firmly established, the whole legacy falls apart. Sure you might argue doing the “right” thing for the “wrong” reasons is one way history could be written (and will by the usual suspects). But, to me, falsely creating the case for war ranks right up there with Tonkin Gulf and other nefarious acts of politicial leaders.
Its a house of cards for Bush. Wilson must not just be challenged. He must be destroyed.
“Look, I unnerschtand, it’s Hard Work…”
And as we all know, Preznit Clusterfuck doesn’t do hard work — that’s for the hired help.
It’s my understanding that Mr. Drobny is not the most allegedly impartial person that might comment on Patrick Fitzgerald or the job he’s doing.
I’m just saying.
-S
Christy - let me know if I can help.
I think this investigation is over …..
Nice catch, Attaturk. I noticed that too. Just before I pressed both sides of my head as hard as I could, screamed at the top of my lungs, and switched off the TV.
is christy suggesting karl’s bus is headed in cheney’s direction? well, that would make sense. he has his 100 mil blood money (and god only knows what else we don’t know about). perhaps he’s outlasted his usefulness. the corporate gangster sponsors have to focus on the future now in order to sustain the freedom to continue fucking the american people after november 2006.
Patriot says
June 14th, 2006 at 7:59 am
I think this investigation is over …..
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Notice how The Decider took pains to spin it thus during the Presser. “…it was a thorough investigation…”
“WAS”?
Patriot–The fact that they cannot comment is a sign to me that it is not over. Rove is a stoolie and probably sports the mark of the sqealer on his ass so like all things Bushco, it remains hidden.
lhp -
I think Rove and the White House realize that Bush and Snow still can’t attempt to spin the whole Plame mess (witness this AM’s presser), so it’s been delegated to Luskin. “There’s good blogger work, like calling CBS on the National Guard stuff, and there’s bad blogger stuff, like Truthout.” He’s put it in a “more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger” tone, but it’s spin, pure and simple.
I like the “unindicted co-conspirator” idea, but for that to come out, doesn’t that mean that someone, somewhere, has to be charged with conspiracy? And if so, who?
That’s a big shoe waiting to drop, and if I were Luskin, I’d be careful how much talking I’d be doing to the media. Maybe that answers your question about why he’s just chirping to Jerlyn and the NYO, rather than crowing about it to the NYT and WaPo. “Let’s just let this percolate out there, rather than shout it from the rooftops. Once it’s out there, let Rush and the ‘responsible blogs’ do our spinning for us.”
I’m still with Christy’s comment yesterday: until I hear from Fitz, nothing’s over.
snowbird42, was that on Malloy’s show or Seder’s? You mentioned both, but they aren’t on together.
The jury is still out on PJF. Instead of putting all our hopes on him, we have to concentrate on changes that we can effect like the upcoming elections. And I was EPU’d on the last post: why is no one, including Dem pols, talking about the tailspin the economy is in with the huge fall in the stock market and rise in inflation? I can understand the MSM giving Bush a tremendous pass on this, but where is the Dem party whose “It’s the economy, stupid” brought Clinton in in ‘92?
Transcript from David Schuster with KO fillin:
http://newsbusters.org/node/5873
OK Irving
What does this tell us about how really really tight the noose is around your neck???
Train is pulling out of the station. Oh, and i am leaning just a tech farther toward Karl as unindicted co-conspirator.
Noron is on shilling for her idol…”The president is upbeat and WILL seize the moment”…what a NORON…LOL
Thank you for the info on the next Frontline. I love that show, and ths series in particular has been an eyeopener. The questions about the whereabouts and status of POTUS and his pet goat while Cheney clearly took command is one that will haunt us forever. I hope someone someday writes a great script about some of the possibilities of what happened that day because we will never know the truth.
it was an interesting switcheroo by the Preznit on the question about outting Valerie: instead of “an ongoing investigation”, now it’s “an upcoming serious trial” that’s the reason not to comment…
Christy, Many thanks to you, Jane and EW for the great work you do for all of us. I have a question that has been niggling me since Rove got his get-out-of-jail card: If Rove were to flip and turn “state’s evidence,” that might keep him out of jail, but wouldn’t it simply finish him as a Republican? How could he possibily spin such a thing? Would love your thoughts.
This president has sure seemed completely unfazed that a CIA operative was outed on his watch and by his own administration.
On the other hand, this president sure seems glad that 9/11 happened on his watch too. He’s certainly made hay while the rain poured.
for your viewing pleasure, the upcoming Frontline on PBS about Cheney vs CIA will be broadcast in HDTV … you’ll be able to see every drop of perspiration!
*ilson46201 54 -
Noting more to see here, folks, just move on now…heh heh, heh heh…
Luskin sez yesterday that they wil make no further comment, Boy King follows today.
Noron is on shilling for her idol%u2026″The president is upbeat and WILL seize the moment”%u2026what a NORON%u2026LOL
The So-Called Liberal Media is just dying to have it’s “Beloved President” narrative back, aren’t they? Too bad their stallion is just a broken down jackass.
And I agree with the consensus: no way is this investigation done.
GW Clusterfuck continues his monologue about how swell his tax cuts are making the economy. The financial community has a different take:
All of them should just keep their mouths shut. And Bernanke? ‘Just shut up!’ ”
But they all got rock-star status and just loved it too much to stop, King said.
“Now it’s blowing up in their face because they were shills instead of quietly running policy,” said King, echoing other analysts’ frustrations.
Their comments came as global markets were being knocked around.
“There’s a massive liquidation in just about everything - oil, stocks, gold, copper,” said Peter Beutel, energy analyst at Cameron Hanover.
Oil tumbled here 2 percent to $68.56 a barrel - which is more than triple its price of $19.73 a barrel in January 2002.
“We’re at the foothills of another energy recession,” Beutel said. “Every time we’ve tripled energy prices, we get a major recession.”
Analysts said they are certain Bernanke will hike rates again this summer.
“This mixture of potentially higher interest rates and an economic slowdown could lead to the next recession,” said Herb Kurlan, president of Vtrader Pro.
New government data yesterday said inflation is rising faster than the government predicted, due to broadly rising costs blamed on surging energy.
The Producers Price Index rose 0.3 percent last month, much steeper than forecast.
What’s more, energy costs have drained an extra $203 billion a year out of consumer pockets since 2003 for vehicles and heating homes - or an additional $525 million more each day than they spent three years ago.
Goopers better buckle their seat belts. It may be a rough November ride. Presidents who fuck up a war and fuck up the economy don’t hold congress.
Anne,
Thanks for asking, I’m up and about and gonna hit the law library today. I probably shouldn’t have called it flu, the official diagnosis is “fevers of unkown origin.” I get them from time to time, really high fever and chills, not symptoms (maybe some muscle aches) but really weird dreams that seem more real than the physical world (delrium?) . Then I wake up after a couple days and the physical world seems real again and I am weak as kitten.
that’s the stage I am at today. I would love to take another day or two to recuperate, but need to get some work done. I have two deadlines meet in the law practice and blew a deadline for the DNC over the weekend and must catch up.
Cloning, must have cloning!! now!
It is time to hammer away at Luskins past indiscretions……I hear from friends around the net…they are digging up plenty….
SamuraiSam…very funny!!!!! Jackass indeed.
I don’t think it’s such a ‘flawed policy’ to isolate the preznit from the evil/illegal doings of the underlings; after all, it worked for Reagan and Bush the First. To me it’s tried and tested technique: how to do all sorts of ugliness and stay in power.
Of course for it to work we (the marks) must suspend our requirement that the guy in charge actually be in charge, actually be capable of exerting command and authority within the organization, and hold the responsibility for whatever the org. does. The media helps accomplish this by framing ‘reality’ more as some kind of entertainment, so that we all can more easily find a way to suspend our usual way of thinking about ‘reality’ and accepting the story we’re being told.
I have a hard time believing that this stuff just happens by chance or imcompetence…maybe another cup of coffee will help…
lhp –
I’ve become a Fitz agnostic, or worse — as in,
Fitz & Rove, BFF!!!
Seriously — Fitz may yet produce something of value; but right now, his work product is very close to he labored mightily, and brought forth a mouse territory.
Look — if you were the CIA Director of Whatever, that pushed the DoJ to investigate one of the most damaging betrayals of a covert operation in the history of the USA, how would you feel about now?
Who needs a Saturday Night Massacre, when you can get two and a half years of Kabuki dance, followed by a Monday afternoon “never-mind?”
Something I’ve learned over the last five years — when it comes to the Bush Family, the fix is in; the fix is ALWAYS in . . .
D. Mason
Jets may be fast but they can not arrive somewhere instantaneously. They need to receive orders, get in the air, and be told where to go, get there, and oh yes, they need to be armed. In the confused situation of 9-11 even with a megalomanic Vice President overstepping his constitutional authority, the likelihood of that all happening in a timely and effective fashion was small.
Bobby G
Luskin may have said not comment, but today’s NYObsever article is just full of comments.
Heee’s spinnin.
Gotta ggo. Work calls
looseheadprop…just as people think it is time to give Luskin a taste of his own medicine…Let’s see what the net comes up with nconcerning him.
Didn’t hear the Mike Malloy interview cited above, but I don’t buy it for a minute. For a more neutral take on Fitz’s pre-Plame career, here’s a PBS News Hour transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb.....d_8-8.html
Two snippets:
Kass is no liberal - far from it. He’s just someone who’s seen Fitz in action, up close and personal.
Oh, and Governor Ryan, mentioned at the end of the PBS piece? He was convicted on all counts.
Chicago Rules, people. Chicago Rules.
Their comments came as global markets were being knocked around.
Bush is about to realize the political cost of banking your economic spin on stock market performance. Never bet on short term movements, whether trading or shilling for political policy. Bush, or at least his advisors, should have known better. The stock market is certainly not the only nor the best indicator of our economic health. A good look at rising consumer debt, rising inflation, rising interest rates and flat wage growth should let the Bush administration know the train’s a comin’ and they’re standing on the tracks. Bush should just ask his dad what happens when a President loses the economy…
from the Miami Herald via Rawstory (and buried in the last graf):
Also Tuesday, the military ordered all independent news media off the base by 10 a.m. Wednesday, and had arranged a flight to Miami to expedite their departure.
A two-sentence email to reporters for The Miami Herald and Los Angeles Times, citing a directive from the Office of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, stated: “Media currently on the island will depart on Wednesday, 14 June 2006 at 10:00 a.m. Please be prepared to depart the CBQ [quarters] at 8:00 a.m.”
The correspondents came down to the base on Saturday to cover the aftermath of the suicides, at the invitation of the admiral in charge of the prison. The Pentagon canceled the invitation Tuesday night, despite protests from the newspapers.
Hmmm. Let’s roll over Haditha AND the Gitmo story. Somehow I don’t think it will work. But they’re still trying and spinning and spinning and spinning.
http://www.dcpoliticalreport.com/polls06.htm
Link to latest polling results on senate races- just move your cursor to the state you want to see.
It’s getting a little better.
Dems need to take:
Pennsylvania
Montana
Ohio
Missouri
Rhode Island
and Tennessee (or some other state)
and hold their own states- New Jersey, Minnesota, and Maryland are all vulnerable. If they pull this off- it’s bye bye gooper majority leader.
Of course for it to work we (the marks) must suspend our requirement that the guy in charge actually be in charge, actually be capable of exerting command and authority within the organization, and hold the responsibility for whatever the org. does.
Isn’t this essentially the same defense Bernie Ebbers, Ken Lay, Rich Scrushi and other corrupt corporate executives have used, successfully in Scrushi’s case? It’s the “Schulz!” defense: “I know *nussink*!”
Anne - for those Power Surges you are experiencing, I have just the thing:
http://www.stopflash-usa.com/
(It’s not the stopflash that makes you invisible to radar.) This stuff is miraculous. I keep it under my pillow and it stops the Power Surge cold.
I am having the same sinking feeling these days that I had during IranContra season - sinking. Same guys involved, same issues - power over-reach, contempt for the law - but they learned from their past experiences. They’ve planned the coup well. *s*
Christy,
In case you haven’t seen it, Bernard Weiner of The Crisis Papers is linking to your “dodging” post.
http://www.crisispapers.org/es.....-skate.htm
T-
naschkatze and rwcole,
This Administration’s mismanagement of the government and the economy over the last 5 1/2 years may finally unleased forces that can not be controlled or spun. They have been using up all the reserves and resiliency in the economy and the underlying structural problems are beginning to show. I like to think that this began with the energy price spikes caused by Katrina. Given their massive incompetence there, it strikes me as poetic justice that the one aspect of that situation that they had little control over: the damage and down time to the Louisiana energy sector created the inflationary spark that could not be tamped down and that it is this that is sending the markets south and bringing down this shell game of an economic policy that they have been perpetrating on us.
in many other incidents our military jets were able to scramble immediately — this time they sat on the ground because cheney ordered them to do so — the story about his ordering them to attack all commercial flights is a cover-up, since by then cheney knew his 9/11 plan had been carried out
Thinkprogress got a copy of the goopers strategy memo for Iraq…take a gander at the liars memo…
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/14/boehner-memo/
I am having the same sinking feeling these days that I had during IranContra season - sinking.
I agree, and I’ve never held too much hope that the Plame investigation would get beyond Libby. These guys are just too good at covering their tracks and the deck is massively stacked in their favor. The hold so many of the levers of power that it’s awfully difficult to trip one of them up.
However, the potential for political damage is enormous if we could just get more of our visible Dems talking about this case. It’s complicated but the American people aren’t stupid. They understand corruption and they understand the ramifications of burning a CIA asset working in nuclear non-proliferation. If we could just get Biden or Clinton to talk about this instead of how much Biden respects McCain or Clinton is worried about video game violence, we could really turn this into a wedge issue against the Right.
naschkatze @ 50
I’d like to address the whole “PFJ doesn’t matter - winning elections does” thing.
Elections matter, and yet they don’t happen in a vaccuum. They have a context, and the context often drives the electorate. Given the current climate of “don’t trust anyone in the media” and “don’t trust the spinners of either party,” Fitz is as close to an above-the-fray investigator as most of the electorate is going to find acceptable. The more that has come out via his filings, transcripts of motion conferences, and such, the more that ordinary people are seeing about the SOP for the government run by the republican party.
So from the standpoint of winning elections, Fitz matters a lot. Regardless of what happens with his investigation, we need to understand it as much as possible, so as to be able to use it as profitably as possible for the sake of replacing BushCo.
I’m not looking at PFJ as a magic bullet to miraculously cleanse the government of corruption, though I surely hope that some of that comes out of his work. What I’m looking for is a return - a broad return on a thousand different levels - to accountability. To Congress holding the Executive Branch accountable, to voters holding their representatives accountable (Hi Joe!), to the media holding them all accountable, etc.
In Chicago, Michael Bilandik (sp?) was the guy who followed the first Mayor Daley after he died in office. He lost his bid for reelection to a full term because of a damn snowstorm. He didn’t get the streets plowed fast enough, a week before the election, and he lost big.
That’s what context can do for you.
Context matters in winning elections, and Fitz is a huge part of that context.
rove was let off the hook by abu gonzales — it was abu who made rove testify five times because abu wanted to put rove on record in extended detail so as to ensure that rove wouldn’t come up with any bombshells that might hurt bush
abu’s worried: presidential pardons are meaningless nowadays — international law is lengthening its reach & abu doesn’t want his master to go to trial for war crimes
is there a reason my comments are flagged? just asking?
Looseheadprop 32 -
Shelly Drobney wrote an article saying the samething (Fitz is a repub tool, etc) in huffingtonpost couple of days ago. I tried to get the link for you, but i couldn’t find. Looks like Ariana took it down (due to reader complaints???)
RH - Don’t know about Rove driving the bus, but I hear Laura is pretty good with that driving thing.
There’s something about Mike Malloy that’s always seemed a little unhinged to me and that’s why I stopped listening to his show pretty quickly. As much as I’d like to, I don’t quite trust him or his guests to deliver quality information. Can’t quite put my finger on why, but there it is…
gladlythecrosseyedbear,
“by then cheney knew his 9/11 plan had been carried out”
for his martian taskmasters, no doubt, he said, checking to see that his tinfoil hat still fit snugly.
oh mommybrain,
synchroniciblog! quit taking the Rx about a month ago (blood clots!) and have been suffering hideous surges, have been tempted to ask others here about non rx remedies - and there it was. am sure it is TMI for some, but it really burns me I went almost 8 years in without a surge or sweat of any kind
thanks a bunch
Christy,
I’ve given up waiting to post this until I get caught up on comments (prolly won’t happen) - I thought you came up absolutely HUGE yesterday, especially given that you were still on the road and supposed to be dealing with another convention.
FDL and The Next Hurrah were islands of sanity on a day when it was in short supply. Thanks again.
Hugh- According to this article they had the orders, need less than 10 minutes to get in the air and less than 10 minutes to reach their target, and when I said they were on standby that means they were armed. Yes routine procedure is to have 2 fighters constantly on standby near the capitol. Yet the plane that hit the pentagon was flying off course for just under 40 minutes. If they really had orders in hand from cheney to shoot the planes down then alot of people along the way really dropped the ball.
Who is the first Sealed, is what I keep thinking about. What if S. v S. is Wilson &/or Plame versus Cheney?
I am inclined to believe this whole story is over. There’s a slim chance Libby might be convicted, but Bush will pardon him within ten to fifteen minutes, and that will be the end of that. It’s the way Washington works.
The one thing that pulls me back into speculation mode, however, is that copy of the NYTs with Cheney’s hand-written notes all over it. This is a loaded piece of evidence–WHO in the hell saved that piece of paper, and why in the hell did they hand it over to Fitzgerald?
I’d love to hear a lawyer’s take on how damning a piece of evidence like that is, given its content and the crime under investigation–how A to B is it? How spinnable? How irrefutable?
According to one excellent analysis I read yesterday (my apologies to the author for not being able to recall who wrote it) it is not likely that Karl was indicted under sealed vs. sealed. (I know, I should just take Luskin and Corallo’s word for it, right?)
The logic for this conclusion is that Karl would be asked under oath if he is testifying in return for immunity. He must say yes if it is true, but if he does, he admits guilt, and that would look very, very bad for both him and the WH.
Now if this is the case, that doesn’t mean that PJF didn’t prepare charges against him and read them to Luskin. It just means that Fitz didn’t actually ask the jury to vote to indict on those charges.
Yesterday’s author supposed that there was a gentleman’s agreement between attorneys and conjectured that as soon as Fitz was able to confidently assert to Judge Walton that there would be no problems with executive privilege, he faxed Luskin a “clear for now” letter.
Which leaves us with the problem of who the “sealed vs. sealed” indictment in the Libby case (1-o6-CR-128) is for, if not for Karl.
Since Fitz’s Exhibts A-C (from the DOJ website linked here yesterday) contain Libby’s testimony re: John Doe, and the Faux Faux Fitz blog has a May entry entitled “Libby and Cheney in Deep Doe-Doe”, dare we hope “sealed vs. sealed” is for Cheney?
I’m begining to think Fitz sold out the American people. Libby is the sacrificial lamb and the investigation stops there. He gets pardoned. Case closed. Amer. people get screwed again.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0613.html
I’ve never seen, frankly, someone involved in an investigation of this kind given so many chances to continually correct and amend prior testimony. There are many prosecutors who would have indicted Rove on his first statement,” George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley told CBS. “He was given a great deal of deference and quite frankly, assistance, by the prosecutor.”
http://www.editorandpublisher......1002652747
If Sealed v Sealed IS Wilson/Plame v Cheney, that solves the statute of limitations problem, right?
al-Scooter at 88 — awww, thanks. But I couldn’t have done it without the heads up e-mail from Holden. As it was, it was all I could do to get two posts in before having to run (and I mean literally RUN) to my panel yesterday morning. I missed the Hillary Clinton and John Kerry speeches that I had wanted to see so I could report back to you guys on them. SIGH Between all the travel and the exhaustion and the being behind on the news, I’m feeling like I will never get caught back up again. (Not to mention the fact that my beloved child just painted the back of our bathroom door with fuschia fingernail polish…)
D. Mason #87
Which article?
For me, the key phrase was in the Time article:
“…absent any unexpected developments, he does not anticipate seeking any criminal charges against Rove.”
That tells me that Fitz knows he’s complicit, he just doesn’t have any evidence, yet. OR it could mean an unexpected development such as Rove agreeing to help to avoid being charged and then later renigging (sp?) on that promise.
Is that phrase Fitz’s way of saying to Rove, “You’d best live up to what you promised, or else.”?
Here’s the article:
http://www.time.com/time/natio.....04,00.html
A junket? to Nigeria? garden spot of Africa? Cheney must have been desperate…
ck - 65
yeah. I am very sketical of Fitzy unlike others who admire or love the guy. Fitz has gone out of his way to give Rove a way out. I am no lawyer or prosecutor but I have not heard of any cases where a prosecutor allowed a potential inditee to fix his testimonies 5 times. Maybe some lawyers on this site can point to such cases.
Rove should have been indited, period but Fitz let him go. The question is WHY. Did someone intefere with Fitz’s investigation ? Did someone pull the strings all along ?
I go back to Fitz’s job again. Bush quietly extened Fitz’s term. We all know our president is a mean SOB so unless you are loyal to him, you ain’t part of the family. In the current adminstration, loyalty counts above and beyond.
jess at 98: How did Bush quietly extend Fitz’s term? Link?
I think Fitz’s original term was supposed to be ending last fall, guess they extended it.
cbl - never took the rx due to too much breast cancer in the family. Tried herbs but couldn’t stomache the quantities involved. I’ve been pretty fried the last few years from changing sleep patterns, surges etc. (hence the original handle of menopausal mommybrain). This stuff at least has let me sleep through the night. Bonus - it’s a woman-powered company!