
I've been a bit busy the last few days (and still am, as well as being exhausted and missing my peanut...again), but after taking some time to do a brief roundabout on the legal news of the last coupla days, I am compelled to jot a few notes on the doings in a few courtrooms.
First, the NYTimes article from David Johnston this morning. (And a hat tip to Holden for the heads up on the article.) If Luskin is coming out and saying publicly that they got a letter from Pat Fitzgerald which says that Rove will not be charged, there are two things that I want to see and know: (1) what does the letter actually say, word for word; and (2) does it say something along the lines of "Please thank Karl for his cooperation in this matter."
Johnston has always seemed to have good sources within the Luskin/Rove camp (although, frankly, who didn't last year when Luskin may have called every reporter in the universe). So it's not surprising that Luskin would pick the NYTimes as his outlet for announcing news of a letter freeing-up Rove (if, indeed, that is what it fully does...although, I have to say, in all honesty, as an attorney you would never make an announcement like this without something in hand from the prosecutor which purports to say this -- you'd never be taken seriously in any other case otherwise...).
Here's what the article does say:
The prosecutor in the C.I.A. leak case on Monday advised Karl Rove, the senior White House adviser, that he would not be charged with any wrongdoing, effectively ending the nearly three-year criminal investigation that had at times focused intensely on Mr. Rove.The decision by the prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, announced in a letter to Mr. Rove's lawyer, Robert D. Luskin, lifted a pall that had hung over Mr. Rove who testified on five occasions to a federal grand jury about his involvement in the disclosure of an intelligence officer's identity.
In a statement, Mr. Luskin said, "On June 12, 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald formally advised us that he does not anticipate seeking charges against Karl Rove."
Well, that's a bit of overhype, frankly. Rove was not the only person that Fitzgerald was looking at in the grand scheme of this investigation. And to spin this as the case being over is laziness on the part of David Johnston -- and the media writ large, frankly -- who have never dug into this case to realize that the players were larger than the Libby and Rove narrative frame that the corporate media types have conveniently used throughout the investigation. And that the be all and end all of the case was not the ultimate criminal charges, but the exposure of the smarmy underbelly of the Bush Administration and their standard MO of attacking, with a vengeance, anyone who dares to question them -- even when those questions are not only appropriate but also expose them in a lie.
I've said this before, and I will say it again: unless and until I hear it from Patrick Fitzgerald, the investigation continues to be ongoing. Which means that there are still potential developments down the road, should the evidence (like handwritten marching orders on the Wilson op-ed in Dick Cheney's handwriting) lead there.
And I've also said this, and it is worth a reminder: Patrick Fitzgerald and his team are career professionals. You do not charge someone with a criminal indictment merely because they are scum. You have to have the evidence to back up any charges -- not just that may indicate that something may have happened, but you must have evidence that criminal conduct occurred and that you can prove it. You charge the evidence you have, you try the case you can make, and you don't go down a road that will ultimately be a waste of the public's money and time once you have ascertained that the case is simply not there. It doesn't mean that you don't think the SOB that you can't charge isn't a weasel or guilty as hell, it just means that you can't prove it. (And, fwiw, those times are the worst of your career, because you truly hate to let someone go when you know in your gut they've done something wrong.)
Jeralyn has been saying all along that she thinks that Rove cut some sort of cooperation deal. I really want to see whatever wording was in (Luskin's words) the letter from Fitzgerald before I get too far down this road on the what's going on speculation. And I'm hoping that some enterprising reporter...cough...Murray...cough...will get the scoop on just what IS going on with all of this.
In his statement Mr. Luskin said he would not address other legal questions surrounding Mr. Fitzgerald's decision. He added, "In deference to the pending case, we will not make any further public statements about the subject matter of the investigation. We believe that the Special Counsel's decision should put an end to the baseless speculation about Mr. Rove's conduct."But it was evident that Mr. Fitzgerald's decision followed an exhaustive inquiry into Mr. Rove's activities that had brought the political strategist dangerously close to possible charges. In October, when Mr. Libby was indicted, people close to Mr. Rove had suggested that his involvement in the case would soon be over; speculation about Mr. Rove's legal situation flared again in April when he made his fifth appearance before the grand jury.
Hmmm...interesting that Luskin, who has blathered about town about every hangnail that he's ever witnessed on any person involved in this matter suddenly clams up, isn't it? And that he mentions the ongoing investigation...and that he limits his comment on speculation to Rove and Rove alone. (Although, he is Rove's paid attorney, so that does make sense in a "you pay my hourly rate and the other guys don't" sort of way.)
Here's what I do know: Karl Rove has been moved out of his palatial White House digs into a smaller, windowless room across the hall. Joshua Bolten has been wielding more and more influence with Bush of late, and Rove has slunk back into the background for the moment. In DC, loss of power and influence -- even if it is only the perception of it -- can be a painful thing. But for Rove, the most painful thing of all would be for the Democrats to re-take Congress. Guess what I'm going to be working on for the next few months? Help me mete out a little justice in the form of a Democratic victory this fall, won't you?
And Dick Cheney? Well, his worst nightmare is anyone finding out about what he has been doing the last five years, hence all the secrecy and the selective classification and such. Won't his time on the witness stand be precious? And wouldn't he just looooove a Democratically-controlled House and Senate? Oh, if ever there were incentive to work your ass off for the Democratic candidate of your choice, this is it.
(And, yes, I will be working sources on this to see what I can find out. In the meantime, take a little while and think about what you can do to help the Dems re-take Congress. It's a proactive step that all of us can take to give Karl and Dick and George and their posse of malignant cronies a nasty case of heartburn...)
On another front, Pat Fitzgerald and Team Libby (or Team Irving, as looseheadprop so lovingly named it) had another status conference in front of Judge Walton yesterday. The news pickings are sparse -- with only an AP article to go on at the time of this writing, and no transcript for the forseeable future (since court reporters have lives and I'm not forking over a bazillion dollars for an expedited copy...). I will, of course, update this when I get more information, but the read on the AP article looks pretty reasonable.
Here is why I say that:
The special prosecutor in the CIA leak investigation said Monday he doesn't expect the White House to attempt to block Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide from using classified intelligence material in his defense to perjury charges.Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald told U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton that the White House has designated certain documents that it is concerned about being made public during a trial.
If those documents are among those that I. Lewis ``Scooter'' Libby wants to prepare his defense, Fitzgerald said, he and Libby's lawyers will work out solutions with the judge in secret under a law designed to deal with defendants' access to classified government information.
It seems that Fitz and John Cline, the Team Libby graymail legal expert, have already identified and narrowed some of the issues that are likely to be controversial for the White House in terms of classified information. And it sounds to me from the quotes that Tony Loci has put into his AP article, that Fitz and his team have already formulated some strategy to end-run a number of these problems in some fashion, so that the potential disputes between the two sides are narrower still.
We've known all along that the multiple requests for Presidential Daily Briefings (PDBs) were going to be not only controversial and unprecedented, but also a hot spot for potential graymail defense arguments. That these seem to have been undercut substantially by the summaries thereof (and good on Judge Walton for that stroke of genius) makes the remaining issues a bit easier to dispose of one at a time. (For those catching up on this case, I did a review of graymail and CIPA issues here.)
Some news in the article on a couple of fronts other than the CIPA/graymail issues. For starters, Fitzgerald has informed the WH of his proposed witness list and said the following:
Fitzgerald also said he doesn't anticipate any fights with the White House over witnesses he plans to call at Libby's trial in January. Fitzgerald has indicated that he might call witnesses ranging from Cheney to former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer and former State Department official Marc Grossman.``The White House is aware of the witnesses we intend to call ... and the subject areas,'' the prosecutor told Walton. ``This is not a crisis that is looming. I want to assure you of that.''
One has to wonder if the WH has said that Cheney will be expected to testify if subponaed. And, if so, one has to wonder further what Cheney thinks about that...and wouldn't that have been a fun conversation to watch as Bush, Bolten, Cheney and Addington discussed whose political future and legacy was the more important one to protect in the grand scheme of things if, indeed, Cheney is on "the list."
Also, Team Libby may be wavering on the memory defense now. And it was already looking fuzzy before we even got to this point. Buried at the bottom of the AP article was this snippet:
Cline also told Walton the defense has not yet decided whether it will call an expert on memory to testify at trial.A key to Libby's defense is whether a jury should believe what NBC's Tim Russert, Time magazines's Matthew Cooper and former New York Times reporter Judith Miller remember about their conversations with Libby - or what Libby recalls telling them.
Perhaps Team Libby has been testing the theory on mock juries and found it wanting. Or perhaps Cline just got the full peek at all of the various means that Libby was using to track each and every thing that Joe Wilson said and did, and the means used to dig into Amb. Wilson's background...and his wife's as well.
I'd sure like to see what Fitz has but, if Team Libby is indeed wavering, it ought to be an awfully interesting trial. On to Libby Defense Theory 3.0 anyone?
In another case entirely, but one that I wanted to note because it is on an important set of issues, a federal appeals panel in Manhattan sharply quizzed lawyers for the CIA about their withholding of documents pertaining to authority given to the Agency to interrogate "detainees" in the aftermath of 9/11. The questions pertained to whether the government was using a "government secrets" designation for the information not so much to protect national security, but instead to cover their own asses and the asses all the way to the Oval Office, potentially.
In an Administration where secrecy has become the standard mode of operation, avoidance of political embarassment should never, ever be allowed as the motivation for governmental secrecy. There must be a compelling national interest to counterbalance the public's right to sunshine in the dark nooks and crannies which are in sore need of oversight. But that accountability has been stymied again and again by selective classification.
This case bears watching...especially given that all of us, every single citizen in this nation of ours, is responsible for actions taken in our name. As such, we have a right to know if our government is taking actions which we would neither approve nor condone. And the Bush Administration has no right to maneuver the laws in order to play CYA because they got caught with their hands in the torture jar. Good for the appeals court for taking an interest in this.
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And, if this does “clear” Rove, in a legal sense, might we infer that Rove has given up information implicating someone bigger?
It strikes me as odd that Fitzgerald would just give up the threat of legal jeopardy as leverage against Rove, to keep the pressure on him and others under investigation.
Patrick Fitzgerald !
R O O T Z ! ! !
what a bummer
think progress says rove will not be prosecuted
these are comforting words but I still can’t cope…
oops, I see that’s already commented on in the ofiginal column…I headed to comments first
silly me
I’ve said this before, and I will say it again: unless and until I hear it from Patrick Fitzgerald, the investigation continues to be ongoing. Which means that there are still potential developments down the road, should the evidence (like handwritten marching orders on the Wilson op-ed in Dick Cheney’s handwriting) lead there.
Exactly. How many times has Gold Bars lied to the press in the past? Gazillions.
And as Jeralyn and you note, all this probably means is that in the war between Rove and Cheney to see who can throw the other under Fitz’ bus, Rove most likely has the upper hand.
WFT ?
Why would Fitz not make the announcement ?
We need to find out what the details are…
I guess David Shuster’s “tea leaves” were wrong and I won’t even bother to mention Leopold.
Trying not to lose hope, but so far not working. I know that the work done at YearlyKos will be invaluable to all of us ‘down the road.’ And that the work, despite what happens this November, MUST continue. And I hope Busby runs again in November. We must keep after them.
but what this does do is allow Rove full freedom to campaign in his most nasty fullsomeness. And we should be watching the ’silver forks and spoons’ (votes) very carefully.
loosetoth: very funny “fitz”
I suppose I should have read the full article before posting.
Sorry for asking questions you’ve already answered…
Yeah, that’s really what depresses me the most — if Rove has slimed his way out of this, he’s going to be strutting around gloating and, more to the point, carrying on campaigning. Oh God, how I detest these vile people.
I agree with GrandmaJ–I worry that escaping this indictment will give Rove a feeling of invincibility and make him bolder still…
I’m hoping that Rover rolled over on Cheney. Wonder how Scooter Libby feels now that he’s all alone holding the bag?
I’m just now reading this and am freaking out because I have to walk out the door now and go to work. I can’t believe that Fitz doesn’t have the dope on this guy. Even if he sang like a canary, which I totally doubt, does that get him off scott free from all the laws he’s broken. I’m speechless.
Well, I look forward to getting back with everyone this afternoon. I’m sure all of you will have a lot to say. I just hope the servers hold up! My heart hurts.
Ah, perspective and hope! That’s exactly what I needed on this dour morning Christy.
Faux News has been crowing about this all morning; it’s sickening.
So Fitz is just clearing the deck so he can get to the REAL indictments, right?
…right? Please?
It is as expected — Rove has cut a deal. I am very surprised Luskin used the “will not seek charges” against rather than the “will not seek any conviction/indictment” against. My guess is that there is some charge (maybe a misdemeanor?) already hanging over Rove. OR, there is a threat of serious indictment if he does not continue to cooperate. It is the only way to keep him on the leash. Unless, of course he is utterly innocent :~)
I would not get my hopes up about “bigger” fish (aka Cheney) but I would certainly expect others (Addington) to be feeling a bit of heat now.
Finally — I like Luskin’s over-the-top complaints about speculation etc.
Call the effin’ Waahmbulance! I mean who encouraged speculation All. The. Time(s).
I read this before commenting….first of all , FITZ!
Second, aren’t we trying to get justice on the Plame case? Lessee, the only thing we got going is a perjury and obstruction charge. This is very important. It will soon become apparent to Libby, his goose is cooked.
Libby then becomes the John Dean of this scandal and begins to drop dime on his boys.
Why will this happen? Because the Dems will ( and need to) take over congress after the elections. This will give subpeona power. Bushco has committed many crimes and misdemeanors in office. A good many of them rising to Impeachable status. The CIA leak case can be examined by the Judiciary or Itelligence Commitees (with subpeona power).
THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!
Help me, Help US regain Washington. The stench is really bad and electing the Dems wont make it smell any better, but the hope for democracy lies in their hands.
I’d like to ask Christy - what’s your reaction to the “Sealed vs. Sealed” case rumor?
Thank you Phoenix Woman @ #8. You took the letters right out of my fingers.
We have no information from any source other than Luskin. None. Are you willing to believe him outright? With no supporting evidence? None whatsoever?
Sure the statements may be true, but they could also be VERY selective about what facts are being revealed. Until the letter is provided (yeah right) or we can get confirmation of the specifics of this letter from someone other than Luskin, we’re basing everything on the statements of a lawyer for a spin-master.
I know it’s not good to speculate too much right now, and it may just be my way of coping, but:
I have a lovely mental image of Rove wearing a wire….
Would it suit Fitzgerald’s purpose (if indeed he’s going after bigger fish) to have the media trumpet “Rove is off the hook” so that those bigger fish get complacent?
Jerry at 21 — I’ve answered that question about a bazillion times, but here goes again: there are any number of reasons that a case gets sealed. Ongoing drug conspiracy prosecution. In the DC Circuit, a lot of cases deal with national security and other matters. Until it is unsealed, it is useless to speculate…and I haven’t seen anything that leads me to say otherwise. My tip to everyone is to read everything with a large grain of salt. And I mean everything.
back to the Sealed vs Sealed indictment — perhaps that is Fitz’s ace-up-the-sleeve on Rove? Perhaps Rove has already been indicted but it will be dropped if Rove cooperates against Cheney? Perhaps the Fitz letter to Luskin means he will not seek further charges against Rove beyond those in the sealed indictment??
Yesterday was my birthday and this was NOT what I wanted for a present!!!! But can I have Cheney w/ ribbins and bows? :)
Christy, thank you again for all you do for your many readers
OT answer to Anne’s 200, last thread:
Morning, Anne. No, I’m on the Atlantic (barely NE of Orlando), and it’s the Big Bend (where Florida’s flaccid peninsula joins the continent, that’s in trouble this morning). A very shallow shelf extends far out into the Gulf over there, making storm-surge an issue for them every time (since wind-bulged water has to go somewhere).
Wonderful rains here yesterday and last night, and I woke to a sound I’ve missed for months: a tree-frog chorus! Best of all, this put a stop to fire season, so I can haul my photos and docs out of those garbage bags piled by my front door, put the cats’ carriers back where they belong, and get on with it.
Savannah and Charleston getting a shock this mawnin’, though. Ooowee.
Mrs. K8. I was thinking the same thing without the wire part. Though the wire makes sense. Dunno. Sounds good, but could be completely out of left field. Man, would I want to hear those tapes though. Wow.
Not knowing what’s really going on is just torture. Ultimately though, the point is that the investigation is ongoing. From what we DO know, it seems Cheney is in Fitz’s crosshairs. Though Rove going down would be sweet, it’s more important for Cheney to be dealt with.
If it’s a Rove versus Cheney thing, then this means Cheney’s going down.
OT–I live in VA–is everyone on board with me voting for Jim Webb in today’s Democratic primary. My Mom sent me a Kos diary denouncing him but Webb has spoken out against Bush and the war and he would be our best shot at defeating George “stupidest man in the Senate” Allen.
The NYT article shows a 5:30 am stamp, Luskin got Fitz’s letter yesterday, nothing on the evening news hour last night … which I would have assumed the better venue for Luskin. Just thinkin …
I hope you guys get good turnout up there in VA. Another important race.
i do think the johnston line about effectively ending the investigation is premature. as christy noted, i’ll wait for fitzgerald to declare that before i buy it. rove is the holy grail (to some) but there may be others.
even if there aren’t it still shows the range of slimy actions these vengeful little minds are willing to take. and cheer up. even if rove had been indicted and convicted, you know the prez would have pardoned him anyway, just like daddy.
If it’s a Rove versus Cheney thing, then this means Cheney’s going down.
I have to disagree. Rove is a minion compared to Cheney, who has entrenched power in extremely elite circles; these people don’t play around,and will not suffer disloyalty from their “retainers” and will not hesitate to destroy anyone as should be patently obvious by now.
The indictments have been QUASHED.
I’m not disappointed at all. I have not been hanging any expectations on the CIA Leak Case.
I have been hoping in all of you. Fitz is a good man. Roots are more powerful. Fitz’s actions are not in our control. Our actions are.
I saw a quickie TV debate with the VA Democratic Senatorial candidates. Webb still supports “Dont ask, dont tell” — his opponent doesnt.
I can’t describe my disappointment if Karl Rove is NOT charged. The only mitigating fact, for me, would be if he cut a deal. That man is evil.
Whatever it means, what it feels is painful…
Double Danm
Hey, I’ve been saying all along that this is now, and has been for the last year and a half or so, a battle between Rove’s camp and Cheney’s camp.
Here’s what I think has happened so far:
Cheney’s guy Libby fell, tried to take down Rove as a means of plea-bargaining his way out of an otherwise-assured prison sentence — and came damned near doing so (why else would Rove need to make five GJ appearances?). But Rove has at the last minute, to secure HIS freedom, promised Fitz to serve up Cheney.
Rove’s evil, but he’s not PNAC. Cheney is PNAC up to his eyeballs. I’ll gladly trade Rove to get Cheney.
So glad to have been @ yKos, and met so many FDLers.
I’m trying to be philosophical about the prospect of Rove getting a pass on this. I remember thinking during the Libby Indictment presser that whatever Pat Fitzgerald could prove was good enough for me. That now seems like a million years ago! Got ahead of myself.
Great observation, though, on Luskin suddenly clamming up… I guess the next thing to get revved up for is Cheney as a prosecution witness!
Christy - I posted this on the previous thread:
What is the likelihood that an agreement to cooperate would be confidential? Suppose Rove agreed to cooperate - could he do so only on the condition that his cooperation not be made public, knowing that by the time the investigation was complete and charges were filed against someone, and his help might have to be made public, that we’d be long past the mid-term elections?
Seems to me that if there is any possibility that the letter Luskin says he received from Fitzgerald contains any conditions or terms, we will never see that letter on the DoJ website, and Fitzgerald will not comment.
It may be more telling than not if Fitzgerald never speaks publicly about the letter.
Fitz’s actions are not in our control. Our actions are.
If that’s true, then why am I constantly going to the bathroom?
j/k…taking back the chambers should be our primary focus…agreed.
The sealed vs sealed bit is by Jason Leopold and can be found at TruthOut. Can you ’splain what it means, Lucy..er Christy?
To Mickey/40, I agree and would just add “excruciating” before the pain.
I was really hoping for Rove get indicted so that he could not focus on the election.
That is the real set back.
The New York Times lost any credibility it had during Judy Millers “era’. This strikes me as a rovian reverse Leopold manuever.A phoney headline. I’ll believe it when I hear it from Fitz.
I’ve DeNiro down for the Cheney role. It’ll be similar to his Al Capone creation.
Costener is probably too old to play Fitz. I’m liking Joaqin Phoenix as the Prosecutor.
Kevin Spacey as Scooter might work.
I don’t really see a romantic interest in this — I mean, who wants the Judy Miller part?
Sunny:
Has the grand jury been dismissed? No.
As Redd says, let’s wait for Fitz to actually do something before we take Gold Bars’ word at face value. And again, I suspect that what this really means is that Rove saved himself by offering up Cheney.
Yeah, FOX is crowing. So? Remember, FOX News thought that Zarqawi’s death would result in a Bush bounce, and, well, that’s not what happened.
“In a statement, Mr. Luskin said, “On June 12, 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald formally advised us that he does not anticipate seeking charges against Karl Rove.”
This does not say, “advised us that he will not seek charges against Karl Rove”
…I don’t anticipate being late, but you never know how the traffic is on the West Side Highway..
So I guess now we get to wait and see if Leopold lives up to his word and dishes sources.
Beyond a reasonable doubt, we can now say Jason Leopold and Truthout are liars and can be banished forever to Wayne Madsen-land.
There is no greater crime than giving false hope to a liberal.
Mr. Leopold, I renounce thee.
Christy,
Can you give us some perspective on the NSA court challenge that will be occurring today?
Bummer about Rover!
Obviously the wording of the letter is extremely important.
The phrase used above “does not anticipate indicting” is interesting to me. Some thoughts/questions:
1. It sounds like pro forma speech in a letter of this type, but I am not a lawyer, so perhaps someone more learned in that area (Christy?) could comment on this.
2. “Does not anticipate” is not the same as “will not.” While I would love to hold out hope for an indictment, I am not doing so in a meaningful way here.However…
3. The lack of absolutism of the statement not only retains the prosecutor’s power (i.e. he is not completely clearing the target) but also leaves me wondering if it is further evidence of a deal. Something like, “I don’t anticipate indicting if your client keeps his half of the bargain.”
Alas, all of this is mere speculation without the actual text of the letter published, but it does keep me wondering.
Mehlman is, of course, already on CNN spewing the talking points this morning. Barf.
Sunny:
Has the grand jury been dismissed? No.
No, but as Christy has explained many times, this is not a special Grand Jury, but one that is being used by all of the US attorneys in the DC circuit.
Tim Grieve from Salon’s War Room has been doing background research on the Sealed vs. Sealed question. He’s skeptical that it means anything.
He also has a very interesting interview with Harry Reid on Salon right now. Worth reading.
The indictments have been QUASHED.
Please back this statement up with a little more info. You keep saying this and we’ve seen ablsolutely no proof.
There’s more to this. Rover cut a deal of some sort. Like Christy asks about the letter…(2) does it say something along the lines of “Please thank Karl for his cooperation in this matter.”
Ned Lamont’s victory getting 33% in the state party convention was bigger than Fitzmas, as I told everyone at the time.
It may be worth revisiting that post:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....be-heroes/
thanks for blogging this christy. i just saw my first article about it online in the guardian…
i need to read all the comments to get up to speed…
fdl is the SHIZ!
Pachacutec - no need to revisit on my end. I recall the post very well (bows and scrapes!)
Laurence O’Donnell predicted that if Rove was not indicted, it would be because Viveca Novak told Luskin (over drinks) that the talk in the newsroom at Time Magazine was that Rove was one of Cooper’s sources. That led to Rove going back to the grand jury to “correct” his earlier testimony. It looks like O’Donnell had it right.
Can’t we ask Fitz to see this letter that “clears” Rove Fitz is working for us taxpayers and its hard to see how outing a letter clearing Rove would in any way hurt his case(s) or Rove’s rights. Quite frankly I think the letter is necesary for I doubt that even neocons think that Rove is innocent. His reputation such as it is could suffer damage!
the economy’s starting to slow down — proof is that violent crime has surged: it always does when things aren’t going well — also, look at the stock market, which will hoodwink investors with occasional & thus unexpected sharp rallies but which is headed much lower
democrats do better when the economy staggers: look at roosevelt in 1932, carter in 1976, clinton in 1992, election years that all came after the economy had hit the skids
i want the bad guys to go into slam but it really doesn’t matter — not even watergate mattered as much as the stock market crash of 1973/74 in setting the stage for carter to win
Christy
About that letter, somebody at dkos claims that NBC was reporting Luskin received a phone call. The washingtonpost doesn’t mention a letter either, just that Rove was formally advised by Fitzgerald.
You think this is just sloppy reporting from either NBC or NYT? And does it matter?
I love what you wrote about using this as vehicle to get the Democrats to take back the Senate and House. Well I just love anything you write, however that is a golden nugget.
For me, the handwriting was on the wall when it was announced that Rove was on the witness list against Libby. While it didn’t mean that Rove would not be charged, necessarily, it suggested, IMHO, that Fitzgerald did not want to get entangled with having named co-conspirators testify against one another.
Two other thoughts: while this is very disappointing (as I wanted to see that fat, dangerous fuck twisting in the wind), it will play into their hands should we, as individuals or collectively, become dispirited because of this. We need to take a deep collective breath and get back to the front-lines of re-taking Congress. Fitzgerald never promised us a rose garden (or THE Rose Garden for that matter) and to a LARGE extent the raucous expectations of Fitzmas were entirely generated within the community. We have to realize that and keep moving on. This is a good lesson concerning wishful thinking.
Also, I don’t think that this is the end of the investigation. Of course, I don’t know one way or the other so its rank speculation on my part BUT it feels as if Fitzgerald has some other cards to play. Maybe yes, maybe no. If no…it’s back to the hard work of creating a Dem Congress. It would be great to get some help from Fitzgerald but if not…we must still proceed with the work at hand.
I dont’ have any proof that the indictments have been quashed. But I can add it all up. Leopolds article, a Sealed v. Sealed on the same day Fitz met personally with the GJ, and now Luskin spinning “does not anticipate seeking charges.” Why could Luskin not have just said that Fitz has cleared his client of any wrongdoing?
Yeah, I read about it in the Guardian and came straignt here to get the “scoop.” :)
Remember that if Rove is not indicted, the real leaker is still in the White House.
That can be used against the Republicans during the elections. IF Rove was indicted, then the Republicans could have done what Reagan did - paint it as if the corrupt pieces of the administration had been taken care of.
But if Rove is cleared..Then the ouster is still in the White House. It’s nothing like the OJ Simpson trial, but seriously, I think people wanted justice to be served in this case. If Rove is let free, people will be frustrated that these crooks got away with another huge crime.
That’s just my amateur analysis. Riding on lots of optimism, of course.
Fitz doesn’t strike me as the sneaky type. I’m not expecting any O Henry-type plot twists. Therefore, I choose to be majorly bummed until informed otherwise.
Oh, and for any TV movie, I vote that Fitzy be played by Michael Moriarty, and no other. Moriarty already has four years of Law and Order; it would be a cakewalk for him.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=.....006Z.shtml Rove lied 9 times&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3
Take a look at this. Is it just bad, unsourced reporting? Have you read this before? I saw this and felt assurred of charges being imminent. Wha’ appened?
I was awake listening to Air America at 5:30 - Ugh! I have waited for the opposite for so long that I thought I was dreaming for a minute. I’m depressed. We know Rove and his tricks. Why does he keep getting away with this stuff?
The Prez will keep him, eh?
OT: CNN had a quick shot of Bush et al at Camp David — Cheney was standing at the end of a row of folk and he looked dishevelled, bloated and sick. It was just a quick image but Cheney’s condition was so obvious…
Never pay any attention to the lawyers. It’s all spin.
And as I’ve said before the real target is Cheney.
CNN reports Reuters says the Preznit has flown to Iraq ! Today was supposed to be the day he was going to videoconference with the “Iraqi cabinet” — I guess he wanted the photo op of him doing it in person…
At this point, I’m going to place a tentative claim on the prize for the “guess who will be indicited, and # of indictments”. It appears I got it close to right but I’m certainly willing to wait a couple of months so all the details can be verified.
It does kinda put the final nail in Leopold’s coffin though.
“Ye shall know the truth.
And the truth shall make you mad.”
- Oscar Wilde
I live in Northern Virginia, and voter turnout is crummy in my precinct and in another I visited. I voted at 8:00 a.m., and I was No. 20 to vote. I am now working in building that houses another voting place, and at 9:00, they had only 17 votes.
I have mixed feelings about Jim Webb. I have to agree that he probably has the best chance to beat George Allen. However, he’s a DINO; another Joe Lieberman. He’s opposed to the war, but apparently,in every other way, he’s a Republican. So, what good is he going to do us in Congress?
I voted for Harris Miller. He probably won’t win, but I voted my conscience this time.
BOY, am I salivating for Murray W’s next piece(s).
May he be on the track of whatever’s making Shooter green around the gills this morning, thankyajesus!
MSNBC reporting that Luskin got a phone call from Fitz last night around 9 pm. Nothing about a letter. Hard to know what that means.
WAY too much to catch up on on these threads. Spend a day on airplanes and the threads bury you.
On another note, YKos was featured on Countdown last night. I am still in a daze over it all. Will need lots of time to assimilate it all.
In the indictments/convictions game, you win some, you lose some. Just think about Libby, Abramoff, Delay, Lay, and Skilling. Big conservative fish. They’re crooks. And the Plame affair isn’t over.
We just have to watch the Republican spin on this, because it’ll become the media’s take on it too. Their spin will be, Rove didn’t get indicted, he’s clean, the whole affair is over, we’re not corrupt, now we’re the ones who can be entrusted with power in this country because we’re clean. And Rove will definitely have the chutzpah to be out on the campaign circuit talking about how Republicans are virtuous and clean and the Democrats are a bunch of lying crooks.
We can’t let the corruption ball be dropped just because Rove walks. We can’t let the subject be changed or it be twisted around to show that the Democrats are the corrupt party.
Thanks, Christy, for excelent analysis as always. Even if the investigation is over (& let’s hope it’s not), the Libby trial will be extremely interesting.
I find an interesting tidbit from The Daily Muck this morning. TPMMuckRaker reports (from RollCall) that Rep. Jerry Lewis has lawered up (in the ongoing Duke Cunningham scandal), and:
Boy, she gets around handling press inquiries. Any similarities to the problems Lewis faces and those of Libby?
TROLL
Rove may have been publicly demoted and moved across the hall into less pretigious office space, but he is reported to be still sitting in on policy meetings.
Anne at 44 (and Jeralyn) are right I think: The language used by Luskin strongly suggests that Rove got immunity in exchange for his cooperation (it is probably the same deal I have been suggesting was offered to Novak way back when. . . )Otherwise he never would have testified in the Grand Jury to begin with.
“Does not anticipate seeking charges” means that if Rove testifies at Libby’s trial as expected, and as his agreement no doubt provides for him to testify, (lawyers call it providing “ongoing cooperation”), then all will be well for him. But if he “goes sideways” on Fitz and testifies differently from what is now expected, he could be charged–w/perjury certainly, and his deal to avoid criminal liability in the larger conspiracy could be “off” as he could face charges in that as well.
All told, a very standard deal and not unexpected. The more interesting issue and the reason for optimism now is that he couldn’t have gotten such a deal without having something important to offer Fitz. The “no prosecution” letter pretty much guarantees that he that he made a good deal. Either he offered up Cheney himself, or he offered up Libby to guarantee a conviction so Fitz can roll up Libby to Cheney. Either way, for me, I see Cheney going down and that’s something I can live with!
Sooo … Fitzmas will fall in the usual season, winter, after all. Only this time, ’twill start around about the Feast of the Epiphany and roll on from there . . .
I still want to know who Woodward’s source was and where that identity could lead…
If Rove has gotten immunity, then Scooter must be rethinking his position too. Maybe Scooter will cut a deal now.
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Question: If he is cooperating then would the lies be forgiven if he came up with the Cheney/Scooter goods?
Re: phone call
IIRC, Christy said duuring the Plame Panel at YKos that the ethical prosecutor makes a phone call at the very moment he concludes a potential suspect is free and clear, so as not to keep anyone who is presumed innocent twisting in the wind. The letter will no doubt be delivered (probably by currier) today.
That’s what the phone call means. In my mind, Rove is either totally clear or has cut a fat cooperation deal, or both. But it still does not matter.
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W in Iraq
When the time comes to vote Leader of the Senate…..
The point with Lieberman is that there’s a good chance he’ll be replaced by a much better (in every way) senator.
Thanks, Christy, for responding so quickly to the news about Rove. I would be more depressed without your analysis, but I know I can count on your acumen and reasoning to keep it in perspective.
You have documented that Patrick Fitzgerald is extremely thorough, so I think he will ultimately forge a bullet-proof case against Libby and that in turn will nail members of the Bush administration under oath, where their penchant for lying will be costly.
You are also right about beating the bushes to get Democrats out this election, so we can beat the Bushes.
VIRGINIA: Democratic primary is TODAY.
Please vote James Webb for Senate.
Webb can defeat George Allen, the other guy can’t.
Quick question - didn’t Fitzgerald, during the Libby press conference, state that he would publically announce the decisions regarding other possible defendants…or something to that effect?
Two things. When I heard the report on the hearing yesterday, it sort of occurred to me to wonder whether Fitzgerald wasn’t waiting until this point on Rove to ensure that the White House didn’t try to cooperate with Libby in a greymail scheme, and that apparently out of the way, whether he would move on Rove now. I don’t know if that’s what happened.
Second, note that Luskin does not actually refer to the ongoing investigation, he is careful to refer to the pending case, which is different. Not that that means the investigation is not ongoing - and in fact the Post, unlike the Times, or someone refers to still unfinished business in the case including Armitage’s status.
In any case, with the recent good news and Bush in Iraq, this is clearly the moment that the Republicans are going to attempt to seize to reshape the electoral landscape in 2006. It is extremely important for Democrats to respond smartly on Iraq.
Fitzgerald knows what he’s doing. He does not have a “frivolous” prosecution record. He’s a domino theory flipper expert.
Leopold was just a messenger and was probably right, but they probably cut a deal, which is why Luskin’s part of the deal is to make the statement and then go silent.
Cunningham wore a wire - why not Rove, as someone fantasized in the comments above. Maybe he’s been wearing one all along…pretending to be in trouble…he’s a survivor. Rove is a master at dirty politics, and the creation of lies his forte. Flipping people like Rove is Fitzgerald’s forte. I’m going with Fitz.
CNN: W meeting with Iraqi PM now. Hope Maliki speaks Chimp better than we can.