Fitz Rootz!

Fitz in court?

Jane - a little warning might have saved me from the Diet Coke that came shooting out of my nose…*g* Brava!

fitz…
ewwww…
isn’t it “bukkake”
anyway, a lovely and well-deserved evisceration

wherein Hamsher woolcotts Cox.

Oh, my.

eponym correction — wolcotts.

Anne @3: That stuff is corrosive. I use it to clean my camera battery connection.

I’ll take Jane in the jello ring against Cox any day! LOL

That last line is paydirt.

Ahbedawg — EPU’d the minute it hatched! Here’s what I just posted below:

OT but important — this EPU’d exchange from [now next-to-]last thread:

Margaret said:

“… The thing that bothers me about the ability to work with and interact with other Democrats through the blogs is that I am often left feeling that, although I share the attitudes and concerns of what you all call [’]progressives,[’] I am left out of true participation in the process. My thoughts are either ignored, or misunderstood. It may be a generational thing, and maybe, I should just leave off commenting and let the rest of you do your thing the way you think it should be done. But, so much of the thinking, sometimes, is too much on the surface, getting into petty analysis of things that don’t matter, and the bigger picture gets lost.

“Attacking politicians, such as Boxer, who has an overwhelming sympathy for most of our causes, backed up by action where it counts, is stupid. A courteous letter to her office, or a phone call would be a finer way to let her know what you think about Lieberman, and your criticisms of her, and anyone else who passes in your cross-hairs, would have more posibility of having an impact. … ”

then mommybrain said:

“Dear Margaret,

“With all due respect, because I know you are coming from sincerity, manners in politics these days get you exactly nowhere. When the [’]other side[’] can say on national tv things like 911 widows and orphans are whores, it’s time to take the gloves off and join the fight on their turf. You want us to sit down, shut up and then raise our hands to see if they’ll acknowledge us? Ain’t gonna happen anymore, on either side.

“In your daily life, manners matter. When it comes to politics, they are playing by an entirely different set of rules and we lose if we don’t play by them, too.”

lotus says:

mommybrain, I could not possibly disagree with you more on this one. The goopers don’t hold exclusive title to the rules they play by, it’s true — but that’s no concern of ours because our project is (rather than learning to play their game by their rules) to impose our own game’s rules (#1 of which is “Integrity every day in every way”).

Their howlingly-incompetent governing policies grew out of their “bright shiny” but 100% spurious politics. The last thing we need to do is follow them there (and the minute we do, I, for only one, am outta here).

That said, I also disagree with Margaret’s first graf. What’s going on at FDL is never primarily superficial (though some of it is, because we’re sane human beings and want to stay that way). Rather, I think it’s our nice balance of serious weightiness and comic relief that keeps this multilogue fizzing so creatively along.

It’s a beautiful heuristic we’ve got here at FDL: our box for putting our chaos in — a container in which we capture and hold zooming thoughts long enough to make sense of them and find out what we think.

Whenever I’m reading to catch up to a thread that was written hours before, I love watching this phenomenon. Example: The other night, when TeddySanFran got upset enough about the “tranny”-bashing creeping into the comments on Ann Coulter to excuse himself for a few hours, the responses of those he left behind gradually, chaotically, led to a sure “sense of the caucus” that “TSF is right, we’re above that sort of thing, so we’re not gonna do it anymore.”

That one is, I grant you, tending to the superficial — but just as often, I watch our finest-minded Firedogs (Jane, Christy, Pach, Mary, Peterr, looseheadprop — and that’s just for starters) trotting about until they Find the Bone (i.e., something absolutely crucial to further our efforts on behalf of our nation’s well-being).

My point is, FDL is all about giving us A Safe Space for thinking out loud and teasing (in both senses of the word) out enlightenment.

And thank the Goddess for it just the way it is!

/speech

Anne Marie “COX” at a Bukkake Festival. Ya gotta luv it!

Sorry Jane, it’s OT and EPU’d but if you had not seen this, you might want to take any BP medicine if necessary.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000881.php

I understand the sentiment but I think you are playing right into her hands.

Cranky

For those of us insufficiently “in,” could someone please identify the people in the photo? I assume it’s Wonkette between Andrew Sullivan and…?

It’s the snark bonanza! Good show, Jane.

It does seem like Cox left the game just before it started getting really good. Now no one cares what she thinks. Pity.

The level of discourse finally has sunk to my level. Thanks, Wanna Marie!

Tell you what: we’ll parachute you into Ramadi, and you can face down the baddies just like Ambassador Wilson had to. Let us know how you do. Can’t wait to hear! Luv ya lots, buh-bye!

truly wolcottian.

fine work of that slag, jane.

Excellent. I was amused at how uncomfortable they both looked at being identified and invited in. York did settle down after a few minutes, but the fact that they really wanted to hang around outside to watch and sneer rather than be a part of things shows just how little they understood what this event was.

Cranky–second-guessing leads to paralysis and Bob Shrum. I think the goal here is a return to conviction.

Wankette’s a silly gossip. Has she ever written anything deeper than a baby pool?

“Wankette”, love it!

Okay, what’s Bukkake (and is it anything like bush[you should pardon the expression]kazi)?

And just for the snark of it, Are we sure it’s not , WANKETTE?

LOl,Missed it by THAT much.

Jane did not mention that at one of the panel discussions, it was announced (by ReddHedd) that Wankette had lost her reporter’s notebook containing notes for a story she was working on, and would anyone who found it please return it. My first thought was, how awful. My second thought was, how could any reporter let that happen? Jane’s post suggests one answer…

Like another commenter, I would appreciate someone identifying the people in the photo. Some of us didn’t make it to YearlyKos and haven’t seen the faces that attach to names. In general, I think, it’s a good idea when posting a photo of people to identify the people in the photo. Just a thought…

Remind me never to get on Jane’s bad side. :)

Oh God, now that is just much too funny for a Monday afternoon! (Shorter version: what the hell is wrong with these people?)

Oh and on the Sully thing? I’m sure you’re anxious to assume the new position, Ana Marie, but%u2026he’s just not into you.

Oh, I don’t know, Ana Marie seems to be obsessed with the butt fucking. Andrew seems to be obsessed with beagles.

What?

What did you think I was going to say?

You filthy bastards!!

Nice job Jane.

Ana Marie Cox was coughed out of the Gawker media machinery, who’s sole purpose is self-promotion. Is it any wonder she parlayed ass-fucking into weenie-eating? She’s been part of the cocktail party circuit since the get go. Her Wonkette efforts amounted to little more than Entertainment Tonight changed to be on the web instead of TV and covering politicians instead of celebrities.

Come to think of it, Wonkette epitomizes what’s wrong with the DC punditry. All they want to do is engage in gossip and go to the good parties. Vapid, sycophantic royal courtiers, the lot of them.

I never, ever want to get on Jane’s shitlist.

You go, girl!

God, I just read her column on Kos, against my better judgement–frickin’ A, she’s as insufferably smug as ever. Such an obvious case of a two-fisted idiot being intimidated by subject matter way, way, way over their heads.

Wankette is ana marie cox, the chick ogling the dude.

The other dude is Andrew Sullivan.

Who is the dude Wankette is ogling?

Leisureguy:

The photo is not from Yearlykos. It is a photo of Wankette with Andrew Sullivan and Instahack, taken elsewhere.

for those sheltered souls who want to ask but do not want zillions of cookies from porn sites: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukkake

heh. I’ve loving this place!

Um, thank you, *ilson.

Oh my.

Blergh.

meeoooow………?

Too in-crowd for me.

Now it can be revealed: Anna Marie Wankette’s lost notebook tells all –

Byron York looks hot; I wonder what he’s doing later?

Who are these people? I don’t recognize anyone!

Where is the buffet table? You mean we have to PAY for food!?!?!

Joe Wilson? Larry Johnson? LOSERS!!! Where is Tom Friedman and David Broder? Not here? And what is with this D-Kaus Y-Kaus stuff? Where is Mickey Kaus? And why are we in Las Vegas!?!?!? Losers . . .

(to be continued)

Bustednuckles at 13: That’s my congressman, sigh. He’s actually really good on a lot of issues (he’s a charter member of the Out of Iraq Caucus, hosted Murtha speaking in his district while he was getting swiftboated, he spoke on one of the shout shows about Schaivo and acquitted himself well, etc.) But he does have a tendency to periodically shoot off his mouth and get himself in trouble.

That said, the Sun Gazette, assuming it’s the successor paper to the Northern Virginia Sun, is the most (only?) conservative local paper, and I wouldn’t put it past them to make him look as bad as possible. (It rings a little false to me; I’ve never heard him use profanity at a public event, for example.) It’d be interesting to know the actual context. Unfortunately, no one else is likely to have taken notes, so if I find someone who was there after this many days, they probably won’t remember any better.

Somewhat OT -
From a longtime lurker and occasional poster I just wanted to say what a kick it was to watch Jane and Christy on the Plame panel on CSPAN. I was so excited and happy to see it I watched it again on the CSPAN archives! I want to say a hugh thanks to Jane, Christy, Pach, TRex and all the moderators and commenters for providing a community to come to and feel a part of — and to feel that there is hope yet to turn our nation around.

Anne-Marie Cocks quote from her litte pissy article;
It doesn’t seem that vital to pay attention, but halfway through the act, a Yearly Kos volunteer stops by the conversational knot I’m in and shushes us. It’s the first sign of militancy and while they may not be reaching for the bayonets, the audience stomps and hoots when Moulitsas takes the stage.

Pretty much sums up her attitude I’d say.

Wankette had lost her reporter’s notebook containing notes for a story she was working on, and would anyone who found it please return it.

boy, there’s a collectible for the Smithsonian.

To think I was going to get my girlfriend a coupon for a facial at a salon…After Googling that word, I don’t think so.

-GSD

Don’t hold back!

Tell us how you really feel . . .

:)

Oh ck — that’s quite brilliant…where’s TRex…I smell a Late Nite….

Podcast Update

In a word… w00t!

http://teocawki.blogspot.com/2.....pdate.html

I think that a new generational baton has just been passed. We may now see contests for writing in the style of Wonkette replacing those in the style of Hemingway!

Wonderful snark, Jane. And welcome home!

And I see that all the smart kids decided to “blog” Wankette today: Meet The New Cokie, by Digby

Lotus at 11 - beautifully said. I think you’ve captured an essence that is perhaps unique to FDL - at least, that’s my take from what I see on other blogs.

There’s intelligence here, and fire, and compassion and truth and conviction - things that are in very short supply in a lot of places these days.

It is a place where gut feelings are tempered and shaped by intellect without losing any punch, which I believe is more effective than a no-holds-barred approach. I have no interest in being pulled down into the mud to wrestle with those who confuse mud-slinging with debate; that demeans me, and by extension, whatever it is I’m trying to say.

With respect to Margaret’s comments, what Jane said about Boxer - and what many echoed in the comments - was not mud-slinging. Boxer stuck her foot in her mouth, at a time, and in a place, where there is little tolerance for getting the facts wrong. Sending her a polite note on Crane’s stationery might be appropriate if Jane had noticed that Boxer’s bra strap was showing, but not for having misstated a central issue in a pivotal primary race.

I would encourage Margaret to continue to chime in; it takes a bit to get your “sea legs” here, but no one bites. For all the anger and frustration we feel, I think we’re pretty genial about it!

Brilliance, Jane, shear brilliance.

You sparkle even when delivering a coup de grace punch.

Huh? Hold on a sec! It’s starting to get a bit crowded under the bus. I agreed yesterday that Boxer should be spared that fate. But if we throw Wonkette under the bus, just who will tell us about all the really important news like

The Giant Penis In Des Moines, Iowa

(Wonkette exclusive! Must credit Wonkette!)

Maybe we need to take a deep breathe and think this over. Not everyone will fit under the bus.

I used to go to Wonkette, but only for the Butterstick posts.

lotus 11,

that is a truly beautiful statement of some very important aspects of FDL and its community; thanks!!!

Jane, I couldn’t agree with you more about W-ette. I was never taken in much by the W-ette phenominon, its content or the hype around it. I always seemed like a less caustic, less reichwingnut and web-based replication of the Ann Coulter phenominon (not even a real picture of her, just a slightly anime-influenced cartoon), which is NOT something to celebrate about today’s political commentariat.

…and now that she turned her site over to some overtly reichwingnut, well…

I’ve visited W-ette maybe 6 times in the last three years, and I probably visit at least 200 different political pages every day (yes mostly of the westward persuasion, but still).

Well done Jane.
Wankette climbed to fame as being one of the kool kids on the side, who went to all the parties but never got involved.

The fact is, she doesn’t understand what she witnessed this weekend. It wasn’t 1000 nerds chasing after celebrity heroes.

I got goosebumps watching the Plame Panel, not in an “OMG, celebrities that I have some claim to knowing can touch bigger celebrities” kind of way.

What struck me was when I watched Joe I got that core of steel bound with an ethical constraint. He’s the real deal. He doesn’t lose sight of the reason why outing his wife is important. Even if the MSM lost the plot long ago.

Despite all the crap flung on him by the flying monkeys of the Right, he still stands tall and proud and that’s what they can’t stand.

IIRC he used to be a Republican and Larry Johnson is a self proclaimed conservative. Both of them have put their country before party loyalty. One day, that will be an important point in the history books, when Wankette won’t even warrant a foot note.

Frankly, I am so glad you and many of the women there flew under the radar. You got more done and made more of a difference while the young bucks “ran interference”. When things change, the establishment sycophants won’t know what hit ‘em.

I can confirm that W’ette’s shorts (clamdiggers, really) were without merit.

What W’ette probably calls multi-tasking you and I would call either 1) being rude, by talking through Ambassador Wilson’s presentation or 2) not paying attention, by crackberrying through all the panels I saw her haunt.

But Jane did neglect to mention the beeline His Hairness made for the corner of our caucus occupied by Matt O. BYork then sat on the floor at Matt’s feet. To which I say, hmmmmm.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…..

I suggest the appellation “formerly popular blogger” precede “Ana Marie Cox” in all references. If there was ever an example of “I’ve got mine, shut the castle gate to keep out those dirty bloggers,” W’ette is it. Her transparent transition to the MSM (Time.com!!) is ludicrous.

oxide,Three Hail Mary’s and Two Our Father’s and all sins are forgiven.

degustibus #38,

Yes, it’s in-crowd. But it’s also important. Ana Marie Cox is the DC punditocracy’s pick to represent liberal bloggers, and she’s never been either of those things. The problem with her isn’t how vapid she is, it’s that she writes for Time under the pretense of being part of the liberal blogosphere. Whenever a blogger ethics panel is formed by the ethically-challenged corporate media they use her as the liberal representative. At which point she spends all of her time trying to sound witty by making insulting comments about people like Al Gore.

As Jane said, her presence lowers the discourse.

You don’t seem to understand: Ana has always gone for conservative guys. It was even weirder when I knew her in the early 90’s, since everything that came out of her mouth was man-hating pseudo-feminist crap that someone else had thought up for her. Why would she go on about the evils of conservative men, only to populate her crotch with them?

A friend of mine (who banged her only to find out that sex with Ana also involved being lectured by Ana, not worth it) summed her psyche up as follows: “complain about daddy, fuck daddy; complain about daddy, fuck daddy.”

That’s about it.

So I figure she’s still acting out the same issues, which makes her a perfect with with the DC political journalists.
.

We’re now four hours after the start of the Libby hearing, and still not a damn bit of news.

I kept thinking all weekend that Ana Marie looked like Kirsten Dunst’s mean older sister. Similar features, but twisted up into a perpetual almost-sneer.

Lotus,at#12,

I don’t think FDL is superficial. I come here because it’s mostly not superficial, as far as Christy’s Posts and some of Jane’s about Plame are concerned. But, at times the meanness and just plain nastiness of Jane’s posts, especially about other women, seem terribly off the beam we should be riding to victory over evil Repubs. (And thanks, for agreeing, that integrity is #1 concern.) Who the heck cares about Wonkette? Cox is totally irrelevant.

Cox…the new “C” word

Redshift says
June 12th, 2006 at 1:31 pm

I kept thinking all weekend that Ana Marie looked like Kirsten Dunst’s mean older sister. Similar features, but twisted up into a perpetual almost-sneer.

Well, you don’t have to ask yourself,What’s up HER butt? She already told the whole world.

Yowza, Jane! LOL

It is so rare. but when one of the BIg Two of FDL get snarky, it is such a treat. And I’ve been waiting all day to see if there would be a response to that Wankerama-ette.
How fun!

Wonkette, the Lieberman of the liberal blogosphere.

ooohhh, Jane vs. Wonkette. Kinda reminds me of Edward vs. Larry over at here…….smite that siwwy wabbit Wonkette…..

http://www.comics.com/comics/p.....60610.html

Man, this is getting inside-baseball. Took me a while to figure out who those other two were. So what the heck were they doing at YK, especially instapud?
More Fitz tea leaf reading, and less Lindsey Lohan style D-listed feuding, please.

Lotus at #11

Thanks so much for your post. You really captured this blog and community I think.

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again.

Ana Maria is Joe Klein in a miniskirt.

With slightly less actual talent, but bigger boobs.

Bionic at 55

The fact is, she doesn’t understand what she witnessed this weekend. It wasn’t 1000 nerds chasing after celebrity heroes.

Summarizes my feeling while reading MoDo’s snarky column as well. She wasn’t engaged in the proceedings one whit. Absorbed nothing of where she was. She might as well not have been there - she just phoned in her usual.

bustedknuckles at 42: Wow. Shushing her because she’s decided “it doesn’t seem that vital to pay attention” and is being an asshole at a public event is just a short step from becoming a torch-bearing mob willing to take up bayonets to wherever Kos directs us. That’s some serious self-centered attitude.

(And of course, conservatives wearing t-shirts about hunting liberals and their pundits saying we should all be rounded up, that’s just humor. Righhhht, no need to worry about mobs with bayonets there.)

OT:

Just got back from Take Back America conference and saw Barbara O’Brian blogging away there…if you have any time go say hi over at http://www.mahablog.com/…they have her in a corner exhibit area with a touch and go wireless connection…

margaret

You’re right of course, Cox is totally irrelevant. While Cox is, at times , clueless, she seldom takes herself as seriously as Coulter or Malkin. I’ve certainly never taken Cox seriously, never seen her as an ‘expert’ on any subject you’d care to discuss with your mother.

What I’d really like to see… is Jane, Christy and Marcy simultaneously go after Coulter and Malkin. But I agree that there is more important work to be done…

YearlyKos on situation room (CNN) soon

Heh, Tbogg is on the same subject,coinkydink?

http://tbogg.blogspot.com/

Janes post is transcendental w/the snark factor.

very nice post, jane.

curious though — who hired Cox over at Time? Same person who hired Cooper?

any comment from our FDL legal experts on the aclu vs nsa case?

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/015071.html

I know there’s a lot of ykos debriefing yet to come, but this seems important, too

I really wish people would stop acting as if readers get any input about what our blogmistresses blog. If a topic doesn’t interest you, you’ll know immediately from the picture and the headline — and you’ve got a mouse that clicks, right? These continuing editorial “recommendations” are a pain in the ass (sorry if that’s a W’ette trademarked phrase).

More, please, Jane, of whatever you’re serving. And, “I’ll have what Jane’s having” is the best attitude, folks.

Or not.

I love you Jane.

Sorry - this “clusterfuck” on Wonkette is making me a little, ummmmm, queasy. A well-spoken, intelligent woman spokesperson/writer here, cattily referring to another woman as a “slag”? Please.

Plus mentions of “assuming a position” and “on her knees” … why do I feel like I’ve just walked into the girl’s washroom at a low-class roadhouse at the height of the evening. Cattiness does not become anyone.

FWIW, I watched the C-Span broadcast, the forum on the Plame affair was great - fabulous! Good work by all. Everyone came across as professional, determined and dedicated and in all, you gave me hope and inspiration. That’s pretty much what I want to remember and that’s why I’ll *always* read this blog.

Yet the discourse above leaves me cold. It’s so schoolyard, so unfunny — and worst of all very “un-Fitz-like”. Have at it of course — but this is one commentary thread I just stopped reading.

Troll who just went over the edge.

Just watched the report on CNN on Ykos. I missed the first part. Anyone have more.

Shorter Jeff Greenfield, the net has arrived as power but if the people don’t like message will it make a difference?

TeddySanFran 80

i love our blogmistresses and defer to their judgement on what to post.

does that mean they never want requests or links to important stories?

if no one here wants my input, i’ll just re-lurk and never resuface…

catfight anyone?

OT -> Anyone heard anything on today’s Libby status conference. I’ve been shackled, toiling in wage slavery and have heard nothing yet. Thanks!!

Plutonium Level Donors ($239/month) get to demand topics from the blogladies here. Anybody else can request politely after searching the site to see if it hasn’t already been covered. The key word is polite.

I have kind of a naive question. I’ve been reading blogs for years (kinda a professional lurker) but I’ve been reading THE Blogs ie Kos, Atrios, here, TBogg etc. Do people read the online blogs of the national press? Froomkin probably yes, but Time or Newsweek? And is there a site to find out readership?

Todd, try sitemeter. They might be able to tell you.

I learned everything I ever needed to know about Wankette the first (and only) time I visited her site and saw that hideous cutesy-wootsy cartoon version of herself staring blankly at me from the top of the page.

I see she still lives down to my lowest expectations.

lotus @ 1:05pm

Boxer’s foot-in-mouth enthusiastic support of Lieberman at YKos was the equivalent of announcing her support for a segregationist at an NAACP convention and then not understanding why the reporter even raised that question at that particular venue. The progressive blogosphere’s opposition to Lieberman goes to the heart of many of the issues that define us.

That act raises a lot of red flags and was very worthy of comment and discussion.

Earlier today I called Boxer’s office. I (very nicely) asked how could Boxer have done this at the convention. Did she not care? Or was this a failure of her staff to inform her? If she didn’t care, why did she bother to come and address us? If it was a breakdown of communications, is there something we could do to remedy that?

I might as well have been speaking to a brick wall. The staffer said she had taken this down and would pass it on. I asked about a response and was told I would have to get Boxer’s ear for that. I asked how I would do that and was told she didn’t know. End of conversation.

TeddySanFran

to clarify my comment, i don’t like to see complaints about what is posted either, so i agree with you to that extent.

i intended my suggestion about alternative topics to be more positive in nature.

sombrerofallout — You’re about 5 minutes away from being banned. You’re always implying some kind of secret knowledge of what goes on at Time Magazine and if you aren’t willing to make more than loaded insinuations you’re out of here. I’m not going to have that kind of bullshit game playing on this site.

Do we understand each other?

Wolf’s Sit Room just had a couple pieces on YKos. One of their cyber babes did the screen touch routine…mostly relying on old pics/websites. Clearly they shoulda been there. When your biggest point is that Warner spent $50M on the party, you are totally clueless.

Jeff Greenfield on the other hand gave an historical perspective of the power of people-driven movements, starting with the civil rights movement’s beginning in churches. A thoughtful piece, well reasoned. Too bad he hadn’t actually been at the event. He and YKos would likely both have benefited. And yes, he gets netroots…and old media.

Big thumbs up for Greenfield; big razzberry to the dimbulb cyberbabe’s report. Hopefully the Greenfield piece will be promptly posted on their website and rebroadcast in later Sit-segments.

My favorite title so far, and there have been many great ones at fdl.

Personally I love coarsened dialogue, so long as it leads to something more meaningful beyond just the scatalogical.

Anne Marie has IMHO always had the opposite effect — she reduces more meaningful things to just the scatalogical. Yawn.

mayan 87, no news has been posted online that I can find.

I hope I’m never, ever on Jane’s bad side! Damn, that was a serious, yet very snarky, smackdown.

Redshift 73 re bustedknuckles at 42 —

The sheer effrontery pretty much speaks for itself, doesn’t it? Not a bad symbol of the DC press corpse, either.

She goes to somebody else’s convention. Talks loudly enough during a session to be a distraction, attracting the attention of a volunteer “shusher.” Then has then nerve and/or utter lack of self-consciousness to write that her shushing was “the first sign of militancy.”

It’s [attempted] castration through derision. Through petty put-down, moot mockery; through off-point off-putting offal. Never through attention to substance.

Never let it be said her ‘observations’ were factual: [continuing] “. . . and while they may not be reaching for the bayonets, the audience stomps and hoots when Moulitsas takes the stage.” Mebbe so, but in the AirAmerica broadcast audience response came across as quite restrained.

JANE!! Welcome back.

Jane: I dream of snarking like you do. Welcome back!

Hey, sometimes half the fun is overdoing it. Here’s a hilarious take-down of Wankette from 2004:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh100604.shtml

What TSF said –

There are thousands of serious political blogs out there, that have ten comments per day among them.

It’s okay to be turned off by a blog post — and the appropriate response it to tune out and come back later.

Part of what makes FDL great is the incredible wit and snark — those are tough to find, and precious commodities. Both Jane and Christy have the gift. Lots of online humor often comes across as mean and vulgar, so we’uns like our delicious FDL snark.

EPU’d also

to lotus:

Margaret,

My name is mommybrain for a reason. I didn’t make myself as clear as I should have.

When I say take of the gloves and join the fight on their own turf, I don’t mean mudslinging or screechy name-calling (although I do have a fondness for snarky nicknames). What I mean is not sitting on our hands and taking whatever they dish anymore. It makes us seem weak.

I mean speaking up when they trash us and defending our positions LOUDLY AND PROUDLY and not letting them determine the direction of our conversations anymore. I realize I’m not one of the finer minds here and can’t always express myself with the eloquence of Mary or Rayne or Peterr, not to mention Jane or Christy, but I don’t mean we should bring the level of our discourse down to meet them.

We do need to start fighting back, not playing dead. And we’ll do it on our terms, not theirs.

I like FDL’s style, hence I follow along closely (when the non-FDL part of reality doesn’t interject itself, that is)

OMG!! The title! I’m in tears. That was too funny!

I need to vigorously disagree with mommybrain.

mommybrain is too one of the finer minds here.

This is the only convention anyone will attend where the point of the exercise is to meet each other. And we did so with so much joy. Attending the panels where our virtual voices were given a room and a podium is so much gravy. Dividing up into regions and states and swapping emails for Roots organizing was a tremendous bonus. There was a shortage of outlets to recharge laptops, so when we found an outlet in the hallway, we swiped chairs from neighboring rooms and formed another community - all communities need a source of energy! Also, a very big THANK YOU to the crews who set up the wifi infrastructure. i’m stuck at the airport - thanks, Pach, for mentioning the airport has wifi - with a late flight and missed connections. Am getting into Boston at 5:30 am Tues, going home to shower and then off to work! Well, the bubble had to burst sometime. At least its in a place with wifi.

new thread

Jane, you are simply the bitchinist bitch on the planet.

Pacifica at 1:53, please note that my 1:05 was quoting someone else on Boxer, not giving my own impression. (Sorry, my fault — I haven’t learned how to do block quotes yet.)

[Turning around to address the whole crowd]

This thread seems a bit tetchier than usual, eh y’all? We’re all in decompression from the weekend, even those who didn’t have to travel. Not a good time to take what Jane or anybody is saying as Grade-A 100%-pure Her, Him, or Me. But it IS a good time to allow all concerned a bit of extra space and time to come home to themselves. Yes?

Dang! EPU’d again — three in a row: my Personal Best.

oh, snap ~ or, gooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaal, rather.

nicely done. just peeked in for a minute, and of course,
can only imagine how much fun punaise is going to have
in this thread…

can anyone throw me a link to the column chisolm mentions (32)?

TIA.

Jane, i love it

this place is popular because it’s fun

if it was too much like obligatory chapel, who would come?

what’s ironic is that wonkette dotes on dogs