
Since I'm filling in this afternoon as the FDL crew recuperates or heads off to yet another blogfest, I thought I'd take the opportunity to dish about Jane and Pach and Christy behind their backs a little. And you too.
I think we can all agree that FDL made quite a splash at YKOS, can't we? I was watching from afar, as most of you probably were, and people came over to my blog drooling over Jane and Christy. (I'm sure they would have drooled over Pach too, if they'd seen him.) The blogosphere was proud as a peacock to have such smart hot women representing them. Not that physical attractiveness is the most important thing, by far, but it certainly doesn't hurt.
The Plame panel was a huge hit, fascinating and insightful --- and regardless of the snooty pooh-poohing of the mainstream bozos, when Joseph Wilson and Murray Waas were given standing ovations, it choked me up, and I'll bet it choked up a lot of people in that room too. I've been following Waas since the 90's when he was one of the few who kept his head and exposed the fetid underbelly of the anti-Clinton movement in Salon Magazine. And any man who was willing to take on both Saddam Hussein in 1991 and the Bush Administration in the spring of 2003 cannot be considered anything but a hero. How proud I was to be a member of this tribe at that moment.
I believe this event represents the beginning of the next phase of the blogosphere. It's still a nascent medium, to be sure, but it's changing so fast it's hard to see down the road even a few months. As I watched and read about the convention I was struck by the fact that FDL may represent the next phase of blogospheric political action. With the Roots project, political theatre like the Rubber Stamp campaign, and Jane and Christy and Pach's public involvement. I think this community is developing into a new blog paradigm --- focused, direct action, not just on campaigns, although that's important, but on long term local development and immediate concentrated effort toward specific issues and causes that feed into the long term progressive strategy. Others are doing similar things, of course, and there will be more. But I think that Jane's vision of internet community action is a little different thing than we've seen before --- starting with her direct campaigns to mau-mau the media and now building a local internet infrastructure by listening closely to her readership and fostering a sense of mission among them.
This is a point that I think the media missed entirely in their coverage of the event. They focused, as the media always does, on the "leadership" talking about blogospheric hierarchy and inner circles and ministries. Very few bothered to focus on the attendees who were there as members of blogging communities rather than as bloggers. And that's where the action is. Instead we get "observations" from such ex-blogging luminaries as Ana Marie Cox in which average blog readers are quoted on their preference for dropping bombs from 30,000 feet above rather than sticking a "bayonet in the enemy's eye." She later brought up "militancy" and "lynching" (apparently because someone asked her to shut her piehole during a presentation.) I think you can see what she was getting at.
As far as I can tell, other than a few observations from reporters about how geeky or how old the participants were, nobody so far has seemed much interested in why people from all over the country, people who are not bloggers and who don't have a profile, spent their hard earned money to come and meet others who participate in this thing of ours. And I think that's the interesting story. Indeed, it's the most important story. People are getting involved. They are personally putting their energy and their time and their money into politics on both the grassroots and the national level because of big communities like Kos, Atrios and FDL and smaller political spaces where the ideas and the dialog get refined. The political conversation is changing. Why, even Tim Russert finally understands that the left blogosphere is becoming a media voice for the Democratic party. (Of course he compared it to talk radio which was a big money, top-down wingnut project -- the opposite of the bottom up left blogosphere. Baby steps.)
I can't tell you how much I enjoyed hearing questioners at the panels asking bright informed questions and adding erudite, well reasoned comments, many of which have developed in our ongoing blogospheric gabfest. These same people (you) are taking those questions and comments to water coolers and dinner tables all over the country and passing them along to the real world. And you are going out and making change based upon what we've learned and how we see politics. This is how movements are made.
The blogosphere has many wonderful leaders and writers, some of them on this very blog. But it's really the blog readers like the Firedoglake brigade who are on the cutting edge of the new American politics. Take a bow.
Thanks to Neutron at Daily Kos for the great pic.
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How long before someone will have info on today’s hearing in the Libby case?
beautiful piece, digby (as typical for you, and I love your blog!)
what matters about the netroots is the ROOTS (and the ‘net)
because of big communities like Kos, Atrios and FDL
Don’t be bashful or overmodest, now. Your site should be on that list, too, at least for the quality of writing, but for other reasons too. It’s at the top of my list, anyhow.
Nicely said. the enthusiasm was contagious.
it feels great to participate rather than observe. thanks digby. your blog is great too!!!
While FDL is my fav. your blog is on my daily reading list. Thanks for the props. Roots!
“The Plame panel was a huge hit, fascinating and insightful — and regardless of the snooty pooh-poohing of the mainstream bozos, when Joseph Wilson and Murray Waas were given standing ovations, it choked me up, and I’ll bet it choked up a lot of people in that room too. I’ve been following Waas since the 90’s when he was one of the few who kept his head and exposed the fetid underbelly of the anti-Clinton movement in Salon Magazine. And any man who was willing to take on both Saddam Hussein in 1991 and the Bush Administration in the spring of 2003 cannot be considered anything but a hero. How proud I was to be a member of this tribe at that moment…”
Exactly. My sentiments exactly. Plame panel was a home run.
I sat down at the Take Back America conference this morning and started talking to the fellow next to me. Turns out he is an avid FDL reader (Unclaimed Territory too) who, like me, appreciates the dialogue that the hosts engage in here, unlike many blogs. Then, at lunch, I was lucky enough to sit down at the table with Taylor Marsh, who I had hoped to meet here! Taylor is super-cool. The conference so far was excellent. I didn’t get to Christy’s panel :(, but a number of luminaries, including Katrina Van Den Huevel gave good presentations on the bankruptcy of the conservative movement and the attractiveness of progressive policies.
More tomorrow, and Sen. Feingold on Wed.!!
peace,
jim
It’s been fascinating watching the So-Called Liberal Media try to squash YearlyKos into it’s “bloggers are all crazy, nerdy, far-left extremist kids sitting at home in their PJ’s” narrative. Too bad folks like Dowd and “Eraserhead” York completely missed the boat, as usual.
Of course, they didn’t recognize the power of the conservative movement when it started either. Until they joined it, anyway…
digby. hurm
klevenstein - I epu’d a response to your ACLU question below.
yeah … why isn’t Byron York actively fighting the Islamofascists over there? http://goarmy.com
I’ve said elsewhere that the MSM really din’t get what was going on.
It wasn’t about nerds who are so geeky they prefer to communicate through machines even though they are mere feet apart.
What they don’t get is that the conference was attended by thousands more virtually. And we virtual attendees were engaged with the physical attendees in real time even as they spoke with each other online.
This mix of in the flesh and online communication shows just how many more can be brought into an event and also how rapidly the message can be spread out and developed.
Not only were we all (real and virtual) attending Ykos, but many were also attending other important political events. So you had people attending multiple events at once. Talk about multi-tasking!
All this cross pollinization and development is what is really exciting and that is precisely what the media seems to have missed, as they focussed on the presidential frontrunners wooing voters with parties.
If they came prepared to sneer, then they got a surprise when they found out that angry doesn’t equate with rabid.
But angry we are.
Thanks, Digby, you were sorely missed at the conference. I’m not surprised that the only observations made by people like Wankette and other journalists seem to focus entirely on the people who were there who mattered the least — the politicians and journalists. Nobody seems to have noticed that the most interesting people there were, as you said, the people who paid their own money to show up and be a part of something. Who are interested in working for change. Putting faces to screen names and meeting people (and their families) was without question the most interesting part of the entire affair.
Do people like Wankette, AdNags and Modo so oblivious and self-involved they just didn’t notice the other 99.9% of the people there? I suppose so. More’s the pity, but they are wholly clueless about both the substance and the significance of the whole affair.
the bankruptcy of the conservative movement
It really feels like it’s dying, doesn’t it? For the first time since 2000, I feel like the country may finally get turned in a better direction. I can’t remember the last time any conservative policy got off the ground in Washington. Nothing but spin and rhetoric.
Is Redd at the TBA conference? Would love to say hey and introduce myself….
Right on Digby.
I had a hair on the arms standing up moment watching it on C-span2. It was awesome.And if some folks don’t get it? Kinda hard to miss a steam roller comin’ at ya.
We need a big blogging conference in the Fly-over states, now. Eschacon in Philly and Ykos in Las Vegas is great, but both are a looong walk from Wisconsin.
Just sayin’
Found it on the schedule!!
OK, finally someone with a great positive suggestion:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2.....oulter_to_ 0612.html
Next, it’s after 5pm ET Do we know where our Libby news is?
I remember watching Jon Stewart on Crossfire. I had goosebumps as I realized I was watching a historical act.
Watching the Plame Panel felt the same.
I expect the ripples from it will spread, in much the same way.
Uh sorry:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0612.html
Since I’m a happily married man, I of course did not notice that not only are Jane and Christy drool-worthy, but a high ratio of the kossacks who attended were just as drool-worthy.
The AP story is out about the Libby trial status conference today (the only link I’ve seen is to foxnews - so I skipped it) - I’m sure others will be linking to it shortly.
It’s all good, sounds like to me, so far. The second PDB document turnover is tomorrow, and NO major obstacles of privilege are being asserted as yet by the White House. A follow-up closed hearing on August 16th to sort out the CIPA details is now scheduled.
I went completely AWOL from my life last friday and I wasn’t even in Las Vegas!
The panel was truly splenderifous, and I too got all choked up more than once.
Major kudos and bravas to Jane and Christy as well as all the other panelists (I am officially in total awe of Joe Wilson having just now learned of his noose-moment with Saddam - so take THAT Laura Ingram!). You are both bright bright shining stars, I am sure the neons of Vegas were dimming in respect, as I was!
I’m not a C-SPAN junkie - I just go there when I know that something of interest to me is going to be on. I was struck, though, by the number of times C-SPAN replayed the Plame panel. Is this par for their course, or a sign of how much of a “public service” this panel was?
And Mary - nice EPU’d summary for klevenstein!
Damnit. I’ve GOT to find footage of that discussion! ACK!
This was a nice post Digby. The gang here do deserve a pat on the back. Big time.
YearlyKos was like a monolith of sorts. The whole blogsphere just made a significant evolutionary jump.
From the bump in the road to the road.
Fight, fight, fight, in a thousand different ways, individually and together. Wonkette turns into a malicious pig, stick it to her (!), make her pay, like Kos said at one of the panels. Loved him on Meet the Press, by the way, the polished persona must have surprised some people taken in by the stereotypes.
No question we are starting the next phase and the underground aspect of this thing (a side effect of being written off contemptuously by mainstream observers) means the maturing process has proceeded in relative peace so far.
I agree focused campaigns are important and it takes a special kind of leader to sense the right time and the right target. Such campaigns not only set the other guys back on their heels (because they know exactly where it’s coming from), but build solidarity withing the group and an education for victory. Think Lieberman.
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I’m glad the punditocracy and the bloggettes missed the entire point — we wouldn’t want them tipping off their buddies to the real threat over cocktail wienies, would we?
Seeing MoDo adopt her “ignorant feminine little me” persona — actually watching it happen! — was enough for me. These conflicted, deluded kewl kidz are terrified they’re missing the next big thing, so they flatter their masters by denigrating us.
Contrast MoDo with Jane’s response to Aravosis after he tried — unsuccesfully! — to define Jane’s presence on the Big Topic panel: “I’m the girl.” Priceless and genuine.
#17
Yes, that’s an excellent point. Was this perhaps the first online convention? I felt like I was there and even caught a good whiff of the excitement. It seemed so to me. (I attended nude, of course, since I can’t bear to wear pajamas, and I don’t miss the sore feet I usually get from conventions.)
I imagine that next year will be even more virtual. It would be interesting to find out how many people followed the events online. my readers certainly did.
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Digby great post! Thank you for your words of encouragement.
Count me in as one who followed events online. It was an exciting weekend!
One of the most pressing issues facing the NetRoots is how to either neutralize or win over the press. Given the oligarchic owners, I despair of the latter but I think we need to figure out strategies for confronting/working with/addressing the media.
Clearly, they have a hard time comprehending a decentralized movement. Maybe it doesn’t compute…we have been systematically taught to knee-jerk look to authority and celebrity. Or, perhaps, it fits their message and “demeans” and “deflates” the movement by making it seem that it is centered around the cult of personality. Given the statements regarding the “Trek Convention” I tend to think it’s the latter. At any rate, this is one small example.
I would be VERY interested in learning what was discussed on this subject at YKos…given that I couldn’t be there except in spirit and computer linkage. Thanks!
hmmmm, let’s just hope that the ‘movement’ isn’t stopped in its tracks through a byproduct of net neutrality being crushed…gee, you don’t think the rethuglicans have realized this just like big business has….just think, rotten political institutions from the top to the bottom, diebold voting machines and now hamper the plebe’s ability to use the internet as a political tool - a rethuglical dynasty in the works?!
Baby steps: because of the excitement of ykos I started making long posts on my own previously dormant blog.
I was also emboldened to take Glenn’s book with me when having dinner with a Congressman. We talked about ykos, which they had “sort of” heard about. Then talked about netroots in general and future impact on politics.
Talk radio…was a big money, top-down wingnut project %u2014 the opposite of the bottom up left blogosphere.
Since we progressives are all about accuracy–this is not quite right. In the beginning, Limbaugh at least was a true populist phenom, much as it galls me to say it. Once the bandwagon started moving, then corporate and other moolah began to grease its wheels.
Christy is (was this morning) at the TBA conference. I have no idea how long she is sticking around. I’ll keep an eye out for her.
As far as helping out in targeted spots, there are a number of places to go. First, of course, is Feingold’s Progressive Patriots Fund . In Pennsylvania, Joe Sestak is trying to unseat Curt “How nutty do you want me to be?” Weldon. Check him out at SestakForCongress . Of course, there are lots of others, like Casey, Lamont, etc. Now I need to put my money (not much left) where my mouth is and find out who’s running against Dana Rohrabacher. My blood is still boiling after spending an hour in the same room with that creep last week!
peace,
jim
More baby steps: from watching especially the Lamont people I decided to crawl out from under my blanket and make calls/send emails to ASK friends to vote for Webb for Senate in Virginia tomorrow. I’m shy, this wasn’t easy.
Calling everyone–if you KNOW anyone in Virginia please call/email and ask them to vote for James Webb for Senate tomorrow. It’s supposed to be a very close race, turnout will be critical.
[returning to blanket and cookies]
I sure felt like I was there too. Without actually having to schlep myself around! I wonder if those of us holding down the fort were even more excited than the attendees!
peterr @ 2:22pm
CSPAN seems to like Joe Wilson. In 2004, they gave a lot of play to a “Books on President Bush” panel that included Wilson. It was such a great panel that I bought the DVD and played it at several dinner parties. It was the first time I saw (rather than just read about) Joe Wilson and immediately fell in love with him. (In the same way I fell in love with Richard ben Veniste when I went to see the Watergate hearings in person.)
And isn’t it CSPAN who was responsible for getting Colbert for the Washington Correspondents’ Dinner?
Digby:
Are you gonna come to the next LA blogger’s party? Did you get Kevin Drum’s invite?
Come on, you’ll have fun!
Ya know,if I believed in the Rapture and stuff,Wankette working for Time has to be one of those unleashing of a horseman moments.I mean,People or US,or maybe the National Enquirer?Sure,she’d blend right in there.Which is proof positive Time has become litter box liner.Gee,can’t even imagine why blogs are popular with smart people,nope,it’s a mystery wrapped in a riddle.
I guess the media types mostly showed up for the food and drink and to huddle together.Why did they bother?They coulda just watched from home on CSpan and the internets.
The Plame Panel was just wonderful,freaking EPIC.I sat here just proud and a bit misty eyed,I probably would have made a spectacle of myself had I been there,lol.
One of the most pressing issues facing the NetRoots is how to either neutralize or win over the press.
Neutralize is probably the most likely option. Most bloggers still at least need the SCLM for sources, if nothing else. They still have the money and resources to do investigative journalism, something that most blogs do not have (though that’s changing).
Speaking as an accountant, I suspect the media views bloggers in much the same way CPA’s view the little old lady and Mom and Pop, Inc. that’s been doing the books since 1954. They see an implied threat from quality work being done sans the academic and peer-review kudos most mainstream columnists respect. They also see that bloggers, for the most part, have no problem with credibility. After all, what conflict of interest do we have? None of us are getting rich writing our political views daily. Many of the mainstream columnists, and Dowd falls into this category, seem to have a very dismissive attitude of bloggers because bloggers write for the sheer enjoyment of it and for the chance to influence the country’s dialogue, without the need for a profit motive.
AP story on Libby hearing today has hit the wires ….
http://www.twincities.com/mld/.....802026.htm
Nothing much there, really.
OT — Jesus’ General has scored another coup — the “most helpful” review on Amazon.com for Coulter’s book.
“How can you not love someone who calls for the bombing of newspapers, demands the conversion of non-Christians by the sword, and mocks the grieving of Cindy Sheehan for her son and the 911 widows for their husbands. Coulter’s popularity is the ultimate proof that America has rejected the old, compassionate, French-minded Jesus of the Beatitudes and adopted the Jesus of Our Leader, a savior who isn’t afraid to […] and slay nations, a redeemer who despises the weak and belittles the grieving.”
Gotta love it.
Webb for Senate
Webb can defeat George Allen in November. The other guy can’t. Take back the Senate!
The Plame Panel was excellent, and the presentations were what I would expect from the level of the participants involved. Thank goodness, for c-span.org.
And, how gracious, witty, and “polite” Jane was. Imagine if she had “let go” as she did in the earlier post, calling me by a word one should use only in clinical fashion at the dog pound. Thank goodness, also for Christy, who maintains her dignity, off and on the Post.
Pacifica -
Thanks for the C-SPAN stuff. As for Colbert, that was the choice of the head of the Washington Correspondent’s association (or whatever the name of the sponsoring group is). C-SPAN had nothing to do with choosing him; they just got to put him up on TV!
Hi firepups. Getting settled back home after an amazing experience at YKos. Thought I’d fire off a few impressions, then I’ve gotta go mow the lawn before the neighbors start up a petition.
Our Goddesses: what everyone has said before, ditto. Both are really warm and personable; hard to fathom how they can bite heads off in print. But thank god they can!
Now for some of the folks you know from comments and the front page, in alphabetical order.
Barbara B. Is one smart lady. A law professor, sharp as a tack. She looks like a Palm Beach socialite (to me anyway), but it doesn’t take long to discover the sharp cookie inside that wrapper.
BobbyG: He was talking to me when he spotted MoDo, and he really did start to hyperventilate, then ran over to genuflect. Other that that one little lapse, he’s a real gentleman and just a total, total sweetheart.
The Brain Family: (Mommybrain, Daddybrain, and Lukebrain). If you can tell the quality of parents by the way a kid turns out, they are great ones. Luke is a talented artist and a budding snarkster. Thanks for giving me dibs on the pony, kid. And Mommybrain, fling ‘em, baby!
emptywheel: We all knew how brilliant she is, but did you know she figures things out faster than the speed of light? The bullshit has not even left a speaker’s mouth, and she has a four page post in mind. I told her I rarely comment at TLH because once she finishes with a subject, what the hell is left to say? She referenced a Kos diarist who likened that phenomenon to “a fart in a cathedral.” She modestly encouraged comments; one really would think her head should be bigger to house all that intellectual firepower, but it’s not, she’s quite down-to-earth.
Kathryn from Ma: a living doll. She is the sparkplug who brings people together and makes sure things happen. Thanks for the loan of the laptop (and redshift and rbg.) (Sorry I didn’t comment from ykos more, guys, but I was lap-topless.)
Katymine: She makes it happen from within the Democratic party in AZ. I warn you, do not try to put any shit over on Katymine, she ain’t buying. As she and TeacherKen helped me out with a minor medical thing, she shrugged off my thanks, saying “we’re Democrats, the party that looks out for one another. The Republicans are the party that looks out for themselves.” That’s it in a nutshell. (BTW, Katymine, brown recluse ruled out, doesn’t respond to Keflex.)
Matt O.: He is just the goddamned nicest
young manperson I ever met. Warm, kind, caring, polite, modest, smart, intense, involved, tall, dark, and handsome (and 2 earrings, you can’t tell from BobbG’s photo). VG was not exaggerating in the superlatives she heaped on him. Matt O for president 2024!Pach: Top secret, sorry. (I will say he is very polished, professional, smart and motivating - a thoroughly impressive guy.)
rbg: Nice legs, nice voice, and a snarky, snarky wit. (”Bible thumper” my ass, buddy, more like bible stomper.)
Redshift: One of the more low-keyed FDLers; very much worth getting to know, quietly funny (he liberates that more in his
comments). Active in VA Dem politics, crappy craps player. Sorry about the sixty bucks.
RevDeb: Activist extrordinaire - I am in awe of the amount of energy she puts in on behalf of abortion rights and other issues. I
will not repeat some of the things that came out of her mouth; her congregation might be listening. ;)
Siun: even us peons could not take a crap at that convention without getting a camera stuck in our … well, never mind. What an amazing job she and the media team did in getting ykos blanketed by the media. Big thanks and big hugs!
TeddySanFran: Wow. Teddy in person is EXACTLY like Teddy on a thread, only a little louder. He is wickedly funny, completely charming, and I just adore the big lug even more upon meeting him in the flesh.
Zennurse: Needs no introduction; not one iota of variance from her fdl thread persona. A real class act, warm and welcoming.
Unfortunately, with such a huge venue, and too little time for the firepups as a group, I did not get to spend as much time with everyone as I would have liked. Hopefully, we’ll figure out a way to rectify that next year. May I say that every single one of you, both at YKos and back home minding the store, makes me so proud to be a member of this outstanding community.
I was so touched by Waas, for some reason I started to well up with tears when I watched him. He’s got real pathos as a persona and he’s had such a hard road.
btw, Digby, in all sincerity, you are a profoundly magnificent writer. I’ve said that many times about you but now I can tell you *face to face*.
looseheadprop (and others who earlier said kind things to me in the last thread) — thank you, my very dears.
Kate O’Beirne’s Teeth — where the hell you teefies BEEN, huh? We so bereft without your hurm, just look how bent-out-of-shape some of us are today!
Margaret and Jane — I was really sorry to see what happened between you two just now, and I look forward to better days between you when Jane’s exhaustion abates.
mayan #36:
I wasn’t at YKos, so I don’t know what was discussed. FWIW, my take is that eventually the M$M will have to find us if they want to continue to grow their businesses.
Using myself only as an example, I watch maybe 10% as much TV as I did five years ago (and I didn’t watch all that much even then), and I’ve gradually cancelled subscriptions to dead-tree publications as I’ve found myself letting back issues pile up unread. Network TV ratings continue to decline, “terrestrial” (commercial) radio is losing audience to commercial-free sattelite competitors, partly because Clear Channel homoginized local broadcasting to save a little money, etc.
Sooner or later, some bright advertisers and media types will decide that their greed’s more powerful than their fear (of us, of RW retaliation, etc.) and we’ll be “discovered” as an audience worth some tailored programming. When that happens, engagement on a serious rather than a superficial level will ensue.
Until then, there’s Wankette.
Greatest hits: Jon Stewart on Crossfire, Phil Donahue & Billy O’Reilly, Colbert at WH Press Corps dinner & now the Plame panel. Memories to cherish when it all gets to be too much.
Media not getting it: deliberately obtuse or just plain brain dead?
A. Liptak on today’s doings in the Detroit NSA case (haven’t read it yet, just bringing the paper in from TS Abu fer ya)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06.....nted=print
Great post.
Heartening event.
Important site.
OK, someone must know of video of the panel somewhere out there? Anyone?! I feel so left out. *POUT*
Contrast MoDo with Jane’s response to Aravosis after he tried %u2014 unsuccesfully! %u2014 to define Jane’s presence on the Big Topic panel: “I’m the girl.” Priceless and genuine.
Hey Teddy!
I loved your comment at #34.
Here’s a question:
Somehow I managed to miss the Aravosis moment. It sounds like a remarkably stupid and sniping comment he made — what was Jane’s response, or where can I find it?
Real life has been grabbing too much attention at this house — sorry to distract the conversation if it’s someplace obvious and I should’ve seen it.
SteveAudio at 45 -
I’m on the westside of L.A. and would love to come to any events you put together! er, unless you’re talking about Louisiana….
Lotus 54 - I’m not kidding. If this bullshit starts to hijack yet another thread I’m deleting and banning. There will be no “better” and anyone who wants to discuss that particular topic is welcome to dig back into previous threads and do so. That has nothing to do with “exhaustion,” how very condescending of you to say so.
Mary, I finally got back here and read your aclu vs nsa sumMary on the last thread.
I love your Nixon/Mitchell reminisce, and though only a young frosh at the time, I remember it similarly.
THANKS !!!
mayan,
I think you hit the nail on the head for me.I like being a part of this movement because of the lack of worship of authority or celebrity.I distrust both.I look to those on this site and a few others who have won me over with ideas and clear reasoning.I’ve gotten involved because of the leaders on this site!I trust them,because they trust us and treat us as equals.
Empty talking points can’t match that!
I am so envious that I was not able to attend. Even if personal issues weren’t there, I am not sure I would have worked up the energy required to engage and attend. But now that it is over and I have been reading about YKos, I am kicking myself that I wasn’t there….
Congrats to Jane and Christy and emptywheel. I haven’t seen the video of the Plamegate panel yet, but I plan on it. Man, that sounds like it rocked.
If you think things are bad for our troops, read this about the Iraqi soldiers fleeing their Army because of no pay, no food, etc.
And chimpy Preznit tells us as they “step up, we will stand down”?
http://www.estripes.com/articl.....ection=104
HADITHA, Iraq — Iraqi soldiers in Al Anbar province are leaving their army in droves, draining much-needed manpower from fledgling Iraqi security forces and preventing U.S. troops from reducing troop strength in the volatile region, U.S. and Iraqi military officials say.
Lousy living conditions, bad food and failure to receive regular pay are the main reasons behind the exodus, which is running at least several hundred soldiers a month, the officials say.
“Many of my soldiers have not gotten paid in six months. Sometimes, they don’t eat for two or three days at a time. I tell my commander, but what else am I supposed to do?” said Lt. Moktat Uosef, a 29-year-old Iraqi army company commander based in Husaybah.
Uosef’s brigade is one of the most troubled. The 4th Brigade of the 7th Iraqi Army Division has lost nearly half its soldiers during the past six months, dropping from 2,200 troops in December to fewer than 1,400 in May, according to Marines who work with the Iraqi unit.
In Haditha, the Iraqi army brigade has been losing about 100 soldiers a month, dropping from more than 2,000 at the beginning of the year to fewer than 1,600 in May, Marines said.
Somehow I didn’t even know this was happening until I saw it while channel surfing on C-SPAN. Two things: 1) Great work to all involved. 2) Can the next one be in Austin? Holding it on a blue island in a red state will drive the wingers more nutters then they already are.
I am a happily married man so of course I did NOT notice that these two brilliant women happened to be drop-dead gaw-juss.
Sorry, off topic
But this is important election reform news
Florida House Candidate to face litany of criminal charges after alleging vote fraud
Hope everyone had a great time at the convention
egregious #42–AWESOME JOB.
And I know how you feel. It was the blogs that finally inspired me to actual political action, too–and then I never stopped.
THAT’S why, my friends, the blogs are going to take over the universe!! FEEEeeel the power!
jim preston @41 and elsewhere,
If you get to talk to Feingold, maybe you could ask him why he refuses to take a stand for Net Neutrality.
I like Russ - I respect a lot of the positions he’s taken on important issues - but this makes no sense to me. Supporting NN ought to be a no-brainer for him. Any Roots folk in Wisconsin (jim? others?) who want to chat with their Senator about this very important issue?
There’s an awful lot on FDL, both in articles and in comments, about how hot certain women we like are, and how, um, not certain women we don’t like are. Now, I appreciate looking at an attractive woman as much as the next straight man, but it seems to me that there’s a certain unfriendly aspect to it.
There are plenty of passionate, brilliant, progressive women out there who look more like Kate O’Bierne than Jane Hamsher (on a good day after a tough diet), and the typical FDL comment thread can’t feel good to them. Now, Jane’s spent plenty of time in Hollywood, so if she were too bothered by the evident requirement that a woman, to be taken seriously, has to do everything a man has to do plus be a babe, she no doubt just deals.
But given the rather nasty flame war that developed on Kos after someone referred to a well-known Kos personality as a MILF, maybe it’s time to back off some on the “femaleBloggerX is so HOT!!!” thing.
Thanks for stopping by, Digby. Your peculiar felicity of expression is always appreciated.
By the way, Jack the Cat is a celeb here in Jersey. The Newark Star-Ledger did a more detailed story, including the fact that Jack is clawless. It was ALL attitude.
Digby,
Just the right post. At just the right moment.
It’s still a nascent medium, to be sure, but it’s changing so fast it’s hard to see down the road even a few months.
Where it is going is toward the science fiction concept of the ‘hive mind’.
john at 68, I just got an email from Grapski. Vicious stuff happening in Florida.
Dear ____, Thanks so very much for your support and contribution. I am just now getting a chance to go through what took place yesterday as I was without internet access till late last night.
Please know how much appreciated your support is - not only to myself but to all of those here fighting in the City of Alachua.
Thanks again,
Charlie
klevenstein - the NYT article linked above says about what I thought it might say after the hearing.
I still think the strong emphasis that both ACLU and Cong. place on the FISA aspects sidesteps their stronger argument - the outright application of the 4th Amendment, aside and apart from FISA. IMO, what Mitchell did in the Keith case was, in essence, to invoke the state secrets defense. He met all three prongs of the Reynolds test in what he did and asked for, he just said “for reasons of national security” instead of saying the words “state secrets”.
I think that, while the focus was on the actual wiretaps, Keith may have also established precedent for how the state secrets defense holds against a claim of government criminal or unconstituional conduct.
We’ll have to see how it plays out, but I’ve been one frustrated, mad, depressed and unhappy camper lately. If you had told me ten years ago that there would ever come a time I’d make a donation to ACLU, I would have been rolling on the floor with laughter, despite having had two friends who each did short stints with them before I knew them.
Listen,
I really love it here and I don’t want to get banned, so I’m gonna sign off for the night a lot earlier than usual.
Hope to see you tomorrow Lotus.
Jane 61 — no condescension intended, but you are coming across as Jane-Hamsher-when-her-nerves-are-raw today.
Small wonder, given the last 120 hours of your life.
I wish you excellent sleep tonight, and that’s the last I have to say about this.
op99 –
Thanks so much for your detailed and interesting report! You confirmed for me my “hunch” about what all these folks are like in person — interesting, fun, smart people, each one a gem.
One thing worried me though, regarding your toss-away remark on the medical problem:
(BTW, Katymine, brown recluse ruled out, doesn’t respond to Keflex.)
Forgive me for jumping in on this, but the way you talked about this reminded me of the god-awful (and dangerous) skin infection I had earlier this year.
Initially I had what I thought was probably a spider bite. That’s how this skin infection frequently initially presents itself, symptoms very similar to spider bite.
Instead, it was CA-MRSA — community-acquired (as opposed to “hospital-acquired”) methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus.
This is a nasty “super-bug” which has become something of a serious epidemic all around the country, but especially strongly ensconced in the Southwest.
Keflex would not even touch it — this skin infection is very difficult to treat, requiring combinations of some very serious antibiotics to kill it. Medical professionals are very worried about its spread, and about how it can mutate.
If you have symptoms like — a section of red and/or swollen and/or hot skin — GET THEE TO AN E.R. IMMEDIATELY.
Sorry for shouting. I’m just concerned for you. If it really is just a bug bite, or if all your symptoms are gone now, then I apologize for jumping in here like that.
It’s just that lots and lots of folks (me included) have no idea what’s happening when it hits. And many, many people believe they’ve gotten a spider bite.
Not treating such an infection a.s.a.p., agressively, can have very serious consequences — some people have had amputations, and worse. Don’t mean to scare you, you know? Just would hate to see somebody (and somebody as wonderful as you!) have a problem.
peterr @ 2:38
The current VP and the incoming President of the White House Correspondents Association is Steve Scully of CSPAN. He is responsible for choosing Colbert and afterwards he was quoted as checking with CSPAN to see if they were still ok with him.
SteveAudio -
Hope I didn’t come off as ‘too cheeky’. I only meant if you’re having an ‘open’ type gathering, not expecting to be invited to an ‘in party’ of established friends, of course.
Oh never mind, if I keep putting my foot in my mouf I’ll be here all day trying to wriggle it out! I’m sure you get my drift.
Jack is clawless. It was ALL attitude.
Damn, Jack should’ve been at YearlyKos. He would have cleaned up at the poker tables.
Zergle @ 2:45 pm (#59 - If you go the C-Span video collection page, it’s there. It’s called “YearlyKos Convention” or something like that.
http://www.c-span.org/VideoArc.....=Issue,MP;
Steve Scully is WONDERFUL imo. I love how he handles the calls and they can be so all over the board, and how he is so respectful and yet non-partisan with everyone he has on and his callers too.
If 25% of journalists were like him, the world would be a 90% better place (still jmo).
Jenny 62/81:
No problem. Drop a comment over at my place, or my email is available over there as well.
http://steveaudio.blogspot.com
The once-upon-a-time-long-ago-and-far-away President Albert Gore will be on Larry King on CNN at 9pm tomorrow discussing inconvenient truths and other topics…
Pacifica @ 81
I
standsit corrected.I heard an interview with him where he was talking about the choice of Colbert, and making it clear that it was his choice as head of the press association (in contrast to his “private” capacity as part of one particular journalistic outfit).
Hey Digby, great to see you here, thanks! Your point is well taken that often the Netroots, this community and often the Dem Party which run from the bottom up … by the time the MSM or Rep’s print their observations they have had to translate their observations into RepSpeak… which means they keep looking for that Godlychosen person at the top who spouts directions to the masses. They ALWAYS miss the point that our strength comes from the base upwards. We rummage around for ideas, debate them back and forth, spring into action, gather in more ideas, spring into action, invite more people in, spring into action, each time moving forward, getting better and better because we love to be proactive; ie, the Towers are struck, don’t tell me to go shopping or duct tape my home, ASK ME TO THINK!
Hi Op99. What Mrs. K8 said! Get thee to help ASAP. I want you to come out here and play craps with me some more! Lukebrain is a budding anar*hist, IMHO. We have to remind him sometimes that not everone feels like we do about the pres.
*ooabby was here on Sunday night. We all said hello.
Keep us posted on the med stuff, ok?
I appreciate everyone’s support Sunday. I was awakened at 8:11 am (weird I slept so late, I’m a crack-o’-dawn kinda gal) by my vet calling to say my cat had passed away in the night. She had some kind of kidney thing that took her in three days. I’m afraid I made Jane cry when I told her. I haven’t told Luke yet and he wants to go get her now, so we’re having THE TALK in a few minutes. Poor kid, he’s lost 2 grandpa’s, 3 cats, 1 dog, and 1 pet rat in his short life. I always say, ya gotta have a strong heart to love a pet.
Life is short, but the days and nights are long.
OT: Mary, Klevenstein - Andrew Cohen wrote about this at his WaPo blog. Nothing new that I can see relative to what you two have discussed already, but it’s nice to see that someone else appreciates the irony:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com....._ends.html
More info on Charlie - here - here and here
This is one of the good guys. Someone - extremely intelligent, and a guy who truly cares about where this country is going
I sent a request to CPAN to see if they would be making a DVD available for the 2006 YearlyKos Convention. Noticed while I was on their site that you can contact them to submit a public event that you think that they should cover. Hmmm… Just a thought.
Hey FDL, are you ready to make an impact in the fight for Net Neutrality?
Josh at TPM has a tally of who’s on board in the Senate.
We need to start fighting soon, but we cannot focus exclusively on the Senators themselves. This campaign must include all media outlets, national and local. We need to get people outside the blog-o-sphere riled up about this as well.
I also think we need to come up with a few crystal-clear examples of why this is critical. Examples of how this will effect free speech and also commerce.
For example. Why not describe it like this:
Substitute In ‘N’ Out and McDonalds for your local favorite places and the issue is clear for anybody.
I’m not saying this is the best analogy, but collectively, we should be able to come up with some excellent ones. Then we need to flood the local media with them.
Kate O’Beirne’s Teeth have been hrrrrm-et(h)ically sealed away
mommybrain, sorry to hear about your cat, and what a difficult thing to explain to a child… I think our love of life, be it human or animal, is one of our strengths.
SteveAudio 86 -
Will do.
Congratulations, all of you.
You went to Las Vegas.
Wow.
great post digby, thanks. love your writing.
mommybrain - very sorry about the loss of your cat. been there, done that - twice recently.
mommybrain -
I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your cat. That will be a hard talk. Jeesh.
:(
I have 2 dogs and a cat. They are like my children. I swear, Lucie has gotta be my daughter reincarnate; big hair, too much energy, and always in trouble. http://www.bgladd.com/Lucie.jpg
Max, our cat, is getting way old. We’ve had him 12 years.
Lou Dobbs is getting just about as upset over electronic voting machines as he is about brown-skinned folk…his new interest is more socially responsible, I’d say…
Mrs. K8, thanks for your concern. The story is, since I seem to get more than my fair share of infections, I take antibiotics with me when I travel just in case. Talked to my Dr. by phone, started Keflex, dramatic shrinkage of inflammation followed. Saw the doc upon my return, am monitoring closely. So all is well and the damn thing looks much better by the hour.