FITZ!!

I’m saying Gore should run. And I’ve seen the movie. Its a knock out, politically, morally, historically. You have to see it to believe it.

aimai

FITZ, FIENGOLD, LAMONT…OH MY!!!

They are scared shitless that he will enter the race and ruin their dream candidate ( and politcal distaster ) Hillary.

GORE!

the paradigm shift seems so…….unimaginable? i guess we really do have to get past the Charlie Brown/Lucy syndrome and Carpe Diem, Wot?
We have had this and other issues handed to us on a platter and now we need some nerve and backbone.

Hello Russ, Al, Jon, Ned, John Murtha and, of course, Jane, Redd and the mighty Fitz.

Gore/Dean ‘08!

50 Ways To Dump The Dubya

It’ll be another 2 weeks before the flick hits the one Indiana movie house that scheduled to play it…

meanwhile, I check daily on the Internets for a “pre-release” …

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Pachacutec,

Is there an echo in here?!! I been beatin’ Gore’s drum for over a year. I wanned ‘im ta run in ‘04. He’s not tainted by an Iraq war vote, he’s got a national political base that cuts large wedges in the Rove’s coalition, he’s from the south and he ken hit the grounbd runnin’ in terms of puttin an effective administration tagether, especially with a democratic congress.

How about this scenario: Democrats take both houses of congress, Fitz delivers treason indictments, Cheney resigns, Bush is impeachedand convicted, Pelosi ascends and immediately nominates Gore in the empty VP spot and resigns. Gore then has 10 years insted of eight ta put the world back together.

KEEP THE FAITH AND STOP SHOOTIN’ YER BUDDIES!!!

seems that most of the blogroots (at this point) would support a Gore/Feingold ticket. or the other way around.

i know i would!

#4 Couldn’t agree more. Hilary is NOT the Dem. dream candidate the MSM is making her out to be for what reason again?…….hmmmmm.
She is the Rethug dream candidate.

Al Gore- the once and future President!

sign me up for the Gore Corps

Dream Ticket: Gore/Edwards.

I love Feingold, but I want him in the senate. [Hillary? She can stay in the senate for a nice long career; consider it payback to the Clintons for the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and NAFTA.]

I blogged a while ago about why we need Gore for Prez. In a soundbite, it’s because we are desperate for a boy scout.

Al Gore trained his whole life to be president. He didn’t take the path animated by greed for money or power but rather by a quaint, old-fashioned notion of service. Hard work (without comment or complaint).

I wouldn’t blame him if he were disgusted by The American People and decided to enjoy the nice life he’s got going for himself now. But if he decides to run, I will do everything I can to help him win.

The movie’s finest moment is when Gore crashes a nuclear submarine through the polar ice cap to test its thickness. In other highlights, our hero flies to the icy cliffs of Antarctica; makes friends with Carl Sagan; and rides a hydraulic lift while shooting a laser. Top that George Bush!

Dream ticket:

Al Gore for President
Bill Clinton for VP

Feingold or Wes Clark would make great VP’s also.

But a ticket reincarnating the Gore/Clinton team that was so successful in the 90’s would be an absolute knockout.

momigo 15
…and rides a hydraulic lift while shooting a laser. Top that George Bush!

here ya go

Gore HAS to run. I swear I have never felt that way about any single Presidential candidate before, including Al himself.

He has to run because he can win. He has the reflected glory of the Clinton-Gore era of peace and prosperity, without the personal, erm, connection to Bill and his shadow that hangs over Hillary. He is from the South. He is seasoned. He is NOT a current Senator and can run as an outsider with the luxury of also knowing the ropes. He can raise more money with more alacrity and fewer compromises than anyone in the potential field and he can galvanize the base quicker than anyone except perhaps Feingold. (I LOVE Russ, but I don’t see him as a 50 state candidate; Gore is.)

He beat Bush when Bush was cool. He can beat McCain. He can beat Allen (the likely nominee, IMHO). He can beat Guliani. He can beat Frist. (OK, Pepe LePeu can beat Frist, but still…)

He should run because he is right, as Pach has shown. he is the best person for the job.

Will he? Yes. It is his duty. He is a veteran. His country calls. He must.

Saw it last weekend, and highly recommend it. If you’re on the fence about the validity of global warmimg concerns (as I was), you certainly will understand how very real and very dangerous it is after you leave the theater.

The film opens in Scottsdale on Friday. I just bought my ticket for the first showing.

Al Gore for president (but would he only get one term since he was elected in 2000?)

Wes Clark for VP ( He has the credibility to extract us from Iraq. I wish he’d extract himself from FOX’s payroll).

http://www.firedoglake.com/200...../#comments

Rushton,

Ditto
Ditto
Ditto

Close the damn link.

Thank you. Now where was I?

I’ve seen the documentary. It’s definitely worth seeing. It’s not very harsh on Bush et al, except to the extent that any laying out of facts is harsh on them.

Me, I’d vote for Gore, but I’d actually rather that someone else ran for Pres while promising to put Gore in a cabinet-level postition responsible for overseeing an Apollo Alliance-style program. (And promise to fill other high-level positions with people who are knowledgable and passionate about related fields, rather than well-connected cronies.)

If he does run and he does win, the Republicans are going to be damn sorry they let all of the power of government go to the executive branch. Not that Gore would abuse it, but any Republican argument against his actions will fall flat. On the other hand, Republican arguments fall flat now, and it doesn’t seem to matter to the media.

FRank: what’s going on?

close link - sorry, was that me?

What’s with the pink banner on my comment 23? (this is a test to see if it happens again from this computer)

I preferred the evil mirror-universe Gore, y’know, the one with the beard.

1,174 days and the killing goes on and on and…

Fiengold needs ta be in the Senate to take over as leader from Harry Balless. Hillary stays in the senate and keeps the corporatist wing in the party insted of breakin off to a “third way” movement. Spitzer leverages the NY governorship into Schumer’s seat and Pellosi pumps some political iron and gives Rahm Emmanuel a vasectomy. In the meantime, President Gore and Vice President Schweitzer save the world.

How’s that for a script…think Jane could that one into production?

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THERE’S A LOTTA FIGHT LEFT IN THE BASTARDS!!

I think it was momigo who did it. My browser is still doing all kinds of weird stuff. I have to open a new window just to submit a comment, and I keep getting punted to another site. Grrrr.

Anyway, I think that one big thing that will influence Gore’s decision to run will be, of course, the weather. If we have another bad hurricane season or some such, he’s in. If this winter, or the next, are unusually cold, he’s out. And no, I don’t mean that I don’t believe in global warming. But global warming is a slow process, and you can still have cold years. The average American will see another nasty hurricane season as proof of the harmful effects of global warming, and they will see a cold snap as proof against it. It’s totally unscientific, but that’s how most people think.

Norske 32, I like the way you think!

Gore evokes enmity and fear on the right because he does have an intimidating intellect and profundity of political vision which, together, put to shame everyone of their contemporary heroes including the dumb Boy King whom they adore.

Moreover, the pundits in the traditional media simply cannot handle the obviously extensive base of knowledge and experience that Grove embodies, unlike the run-of-the-mill politicians who give them comfort and security in their ignorance. And so, out of a sense of inferiority, they treat him as a laughing stock by invention and innuendo.

can we frame the debate on global warming such that:

– conservation is patriotic, brave and good for the country and the soul and the earth
– energy profligacy squanders our future, hurts the earth, and makes us dependent on the people on the planet who we are fighting in an endless war right now

for starters …

i have to wait 8 more days before it opens here in connecticut.

“heaping septic mountains of flying wingnut feces” - too funny!

they’re a septical crowd

It would be so positive to hear a candidate of optimism instead of the “y’know, there’s a monster under your bed” crowd we have in office.

If he can shed the monotone and deliver the speeches theydidn’t televise (practically the vigor of a gospel minister by some accounts) well, Reagan closed the dismal 70’s with well-done delivery and a message of hope that bridged the middle.

whoever runs, a key is to convince the working and middle class R’s that they are being manipulated with no chance of the polarizing issues (fear of the other du jour - gays, aliens etc.) ever being definitively dealt with anyway, so why not vote for their children’s health and education and 2: we don’t need to live with this fear all the time. Vigilance yes, vigilantes no.

“%u2013 conservation is patriotic, brave and good for the country and the soul and the earth
%u2013 energy profligacy squanders our future, hurts the earth, and makes us dependent on the people on the planet who we are fighting in an endless war right now”

and spin it to the evangelical and SUV reliant crowds

Jeez — THIS is where ever’body went and lef’ pore li’l me all alone (still needing an translation from *ilson)!

HI Y’ALL! That was weird.

(now to read post & comments)

if gore picks feingold i’ll vote for him but if he picks that clown edwards i’ll vote for the marijuana party’s candidate

edwards thinks unions create jobs — the dumb schmuck equates entrepreneurs with large corporations that downsize & outsource — he’s so busy being a legal asswipe that he doesn’t see the need to encourage entrepreneurs — america has become a country where it’s hard to work one’s way up: strange as it sounds, europeans & asians enjoy more upward mobility than americans do — that’s because edwards & his fellow shysters make certain that no entrepreneur goes unpunished

OfT Bolton Calls on Annan to Repudiate Aide’s Remarks
By WARREN HOGE
From the NYT’s, Published: June 7, 2006
UNITED NATIONS, June 7 - John R. Bolton, the American ambassador to the United Nations, called on Secretary General Kofi Annan today to repudiate “personally and publicly” critical remarks his top official made about the United States, but Mr. Annan turned aside the challenge.
Calling the matter “very, very grave,” Mr. Bolton said he made the demand in a morning phone call in which he told the secretary general, “I’ve known you since 1989, and I’m telling you this is the worst mistake by a senior U.N. official that I have seen in that entire time.”
The official, Mark Malloch Brown, the deputy secretary general, assailed the United States in a speech Tuesday for withholding support from the United Nations, encouraging its harshest detractors and undermining an institution he said Washington needed more than it would admit.
“The prevailing practice of seeking to use the U.N. almost by stealth as a diplomatic tool while failing to stand up for it against its domestic critics is simply not sustainable,” Mr. Malloch Brown said. “You will lose the U.N. one way or another.”
Responding to Mr. Bolton today, Mr. Annan’s spokesman, Stphane Dujarric, said: “The secretary general stands by the deputy secretary general and agrees with the thrust of the speech. This is not a criticism of the United States, it is call for greater U.S. involvement in the U.N.”
The showdown was provoked when Mr. Malloch Brown said in his speech that although the United States was constructively engaged with the United Nations in many areas, the American public was shielded from knowledge of it by Washington’s tolerance of what he called “too much unchecked U.N.-bashing and stereotyping.”
It is highly unusual for a United Nations official to single out an individual country for criticism,
“Much of the public discourse that reaches the U.S. heartland has been largely abandoned to its loudest detractors such as Rush Limbaugh and Fox News,” Mr. Malloch Brown said….”
IMHO Malloch Brown got it exactly right.

i saw an Inconvenient Truth over the weekend at the Sunshine Theatre, where a new show began every half hour. The audience applauded at the end. I plan on buying the dvd as soon as it is released, and I have been telling EVERYONE to go see it. It is the perfect anti-dote to Ann, the beast of 666’s latest rantings about librul “pagans and druids” and the notion that good Christians should burn as much carbon as they possibly can.

Frank #37
What are you saying that I did? I’m confused…

Frank Probst says:
June 7th, 2006 at 1:36 pm @33

I don’t think that those of us stuck in the middle of the country will see it that way. It’s the 7th of June and the temp is 85F. It’s too early in the year to be that warm (that’s a late June, early July temp for around here). Yet, this past December (around the 15th-ish) it was -20F. We’ve had an actual 100 degree temp swing in less than 6 months. It just isn’t *right*. Tornado season came about a month early as well this year (and stayed late last year).

Something is wrong with the weather. We haven’t had a true winter in a very long time and are due a serious reality check. That -20 in December is not out of the ordinary, while a bit chilly, it’s within the normal range. I’m thinking of temps below zero long enough that 0F feels downright balmy. (there was one winter where -15F one day felt really warm after 3 days at 30 below.)

wxyz 16 –
This came up at times during the 2004 election, but it can’t happen. To be the VP you have to be qualified to be Pres., which Bill isn’t.
This, of course, assumes we still have a Constitution in 2008.

I haven’t pledged to see the movie. Wasting gas and pouring out the CO2 to drive 160 mile to Denver for a movie about global warming seems hypocritical to me.

and who was it that Gore picked for his VP?
and who didn’t carry HIS OWN STATE in 2000?
and who ran a disastrous campaign in 2000?
and who was it that rolled over when James Baker and the texas mafia showed up in Florida????

Gore had his chance and he wasted it. He is not the democratic Reagan. sorry.

I love Al Gore and have snail mailed him a couple of times, once after he said he wasn’t jumping into the fray in ‘04 to tell him he should stay in the public eye, since I found his speeches optimistic when I otherwise feel pessimistic about the American Way of Life. The last time was recently to say, “Hi, I think you should run!”

I love that he’s an intellectual, and the glorifying of stupidity is making life worse as anyone can see. I bet he’d be a shoe-in. He has made lots of speeches that could be put on cheap DVDs and distributed during a campaign; even if the media skewers him as they are wont to do, people who don’t know that much about him (but are newly curious because his movie shows he’s not the guy they thought he was), they could see him in action. And we could hear about his trip to New Orleans to help people. I love that guy.

oh NOrske @ 9 -

I see now my fevered progressiove dreams were not fevered enough - 10 years of Al Gore ?!?! I cry for happy

dviper, you’ll get the rose color until you refresh the page (dunno why, but I like it).

undercoverdick, use of the word “shyster” is a RILL quick way to lose all cred around here, bro.

Movie was great. I thought I knew this stuff having read the entire New Yorker series but it was still an eye opener.

You can’t help like this Al Gore too, when you see the movie.

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Rusty,

Either you are a troll or yer stuck somewhere back in November of 2000. The Nazi coup has educated all of us - what we AND Al Gore have learned since 2000 has created the opportunity for a real progressive movement in this country and one which can put some controlls back on corporate political power.

KEEP THE FAITH AND MAKE EVERY SHOT COUNT!!

Howabout a Gore - Clinton ticket? W/ the Big Dog running the UN?

Frank Probst #33:

But global warming is a slow process, and you can still have cold years. The average American will see another nasty hurricane season as proof of the harmful effects of global warming, and they will see a cold snap as proof against it. It’s totally unscientific, but that’s how most people think.

How ’bout this? I was visiting SF last year, driving w/friends down the Embarcadero. Looking over, you can see the bay waters so close up to the shore. I got this mental vision of the waters gradually rising enough so that one day, suddenly, there appeared, at high tide, this waferthin sheen of water on the street. And it was back the next day, and the next, etc. Imagine the reaction.

Frank 33: Global warming can also result in localized cold phenomena, and extreme weather events of many kinds.

As the old saw goes: Everybody talks about the weather and that gives us daily opportunities to talk about global warming. I talk to everyone who mentions the weather about climate change…the bus driver…the mail carrier…the folks at the Grange Coop…my neighbors….

“Warm day.” Sure is. Part of that global warming and climate change Al Gore has warned us about for years.

“Lot of rain for this time of year.” Yeah. Must be the change in precipitation patterns that accompany global warming. I wish people had listened to Al Gore a long time ago.

“Freak hailstorm!” I know. And we can expect more extreme weather events like that with global warming. Did you see Al Gore’s movie? Really made me worry how our orchard crops are going to do. Could be a real blow to our local economy. Thank goodness we still have a little time to do something about it. Do you want to borrow my copy of Al Gore’s book?

Everybody talks about the weather, but Al Gore does something about it.

I would always admired Gore and would love him as President - not only does he care deeply about the right things and have integrity, but he’s a very experienced pol who would bring a great staff to the WH and get things done if he had a Dem House or Senate (as opposed to say, Jimmy Crater who was over his head dealing with the Beltway establishment from the outset).

Big downside is the Kool Kidz of the mainstream media absolutely LOATHE him, and their corporate masters will encourage them to take him down as Gore is very definitely not under their control. IMHO he has to find a way to turn that around with some sort of Clark Kent to Superman moment to capture the public imagination.

Any ideas, anyone….?

Norske - i assure you that I am not a troll and I am not stuck in 2000.

rcauthen - fortunately, you are incorrect. Clinton can run as VP. Here’s a link to the analysis:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/L.....ton.08.01/

The Constitution permits Clinton to be elected vice-president, and if necessary to ascend for a third time to the presidency as careful attention to the language of the 12th and 22nd Amendments shows.

The 12th Amendment would allow a Clinton vice-presidency. Its language only bars from the vice-presidency those persons who are “ineligible to the office” of President. Clinton is not ineligible to the office of president, however. He is only disqualified (by the 22nd Amendment) from being elected to that office.

This is no mere semantic distinction. Article II of the Constitution carefully defines exactly who is “eligible to the Office of President”: anyone who is a natural born citizen, at least 35 years old, and has been a U.S. resident for at least 14 years.

For example, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is ineligible for the office of president because she is a naturalized, rather than a natural born, citizen. Accordingly, the 12th Amendment renders her ineligible to the office of vice-president as well.

But Bill Clinton can serve as vice president, because the 22nd Amendment’s prohibition on running for a third presidential term is not a condition of the office of president.

The 22nd Amendment states: “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person [who has served more than half a term] shall be elected to the office of the president more than once.”

The language is quite clear. It places no limits whatsoever on how many terms someone may serve as president, only how many times he can be elected.

In other words, the 22nd Amendment does not set conditions on what the 12th Amendment calls eligibility to the office of president. Anyone who is born here and has lived here for 14 years becomes eligible to be president on his or her 35th birthday and is then so eligible forever.

maybe change is coming–

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/.....balwarming

We have a saying here in the Pacific Northwest;
if you don’t like the weather,Wait ten minutes.

Often this can be a true statement.The winters have been out of whack here for a number of years already.

AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Tweety and Mehlman!

Blood is pouring from my eyes/ears!!!

quick Urban Pirate– pressure! Clench your eyes shut, put your fingers in your ears and scream la-la-la-la-la til it’s over!

undercoverdick @ 43,

Of course, another way to look at that is lawyers like Edwards are to sole means, sans meaningful regulation and oversight, for the citizen to bring a corporation to justice.

I’m not anti-business - I’ve worked for a great outfit in my life. I am for the regulation and oversight, beacuse I’ve worked for a real crappy one, too.

A good outfit doesn’t fear reasonable regulation, because they are performing at a higher standard anyway.

A sorry outfit cuts every corner they can get away with.

“the Republican party is the Big Tent party” - Ken Mehlman! (just now on Hardball)

lol

Old Gardener, that’s also my understanding of the long-term effects of global warming: that it will lead to more extreme temperatures on both ends.

I read one prediction - can’t remember where now, but it was a creditable source - that said if things continue as they are, only the center of the planet - i.e., ten or fifteen degrees on either side of the Equator - will be habitable. Everything north and south of that will be too cold, and most of it will be covered in ice. And the tiny habitable strip that’s left will be hit by frequent storms so violent they make Katrina look like a gentle spring shower.

OT — Ohio is a mess, per the last post. We need help. Believe me, a LOT of people care about the future of this state. We are running as fast as we can and getting nowhere. Tomorrow morning, Ted Strickland, the Democratic candidate for Governor, is holding a press conference. As you know, Kenneth Blackwell, the Ohio Secretary of State, runs our elections, and at the same time is running for Ohio Governor as a Republican. Strickland is expected to state that Blackwell should hand over responsibility for running the election as long as he is a candidate. Can anyone out there spread the word about this? I realize the MSM sucks, but maybe we can find one honest journalist willing to cover this story? Thanks for letting me comment OT.

What: Strickland Press Conference

When: Thursday, June 8, 10 am

Where: King Arts Complex, 867 Mt. Vernon Avenue, Columbus, 43203

I’ve seen the film. I pledge to buy the book and DVD to some relatives.

Why does everyone want Gore to run for President? You want a nice daddy figure or a philosopher king? I think he can achieve more by working outside of that particular straight-jacket. There *are* other important jobs.

Have the next (Democratic) president make him the US ambassador to the Rest Of The World (with a portfolio of “Hey, we’re sorry about the last 8 years”), or UN, or head of IMF or something.

Meanwhile, let’s make him a head of a large energized environmental movement. “A” head, not “the” head.

Read Tim Flannery’s depressing, frightening book “The Weather Makers” if you want corroboration of Gore on global warming. Critics are doing the ad hominem thing to Gore, but Flannery has major dispassionate scientific cred, and his book oughta scare the crap out of everyone. If we don’t start taking concerted measures, people 50-100 years from now will be in a literal world of hurt.

I was fortunate enough to see Gore give his presentation (essentially the movie is a concert video of it with some juiced up production values) live during the ‘04 election cycle. I left the room, with many oof my friends, wondering where he was hiding his true self in ‘00. He was terrific. For now I think he is playing his cards exactly right. Let the bedwetters wet their beds…they will end up with diaper rash. When nomination time comes closer he will have plenty of time to make a well grounded decision.

Dear Pachacutec:

I loved your ‘ten years of Gore’ post so much, I’d ask you to marry me, but I believe you’ve indicated that you’re already ‘taken.’ Too bad, ‘coz we could have even done it legally in my home and native Canada. Oh well. [Do you have a like-minded brother who’s available?]

I have also thought that Gore is the best Dem for ‘08. Your list includes many of the political reasons why he should be the candidate; my reasons for wanting him to be the next president are more connected to moral and emotional aspects. There have so many moments in the last 6 years that I have been so disheartened, depressed and sickened by the kind of bullying, divisive, smearing and generally immoral behavior elevated to new levels of acceptability by this administration, that I’ve come to think that only a Gore administration would have a chance to bring significant healing.

God, I hope you and I get our wish.

Lotus: “Aum Mene Pedme Hum” is the ubiquitous Tibetan prayer : Hail to the Flower of the Lotus Blossom. That’s what’s written on Tibetan prayer wheels. In 1968 I placed a digital version on the University’s 20 Megabyte spinning memory drum…

AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I changed the channel.

CAME BACK TO TONY PERKINS!! (and a club for growth weenie)

Must. not. lose. it.

I tell ya. Thank god for the “blogs”. Remember when all we had was this shit, day in and day out?

Namaaste, *ilson. Blessed is the lotus that resides within.

angie 65

quick Urban Pirate - pressure! Clench your eyes shut, put your fingers in your ears and scream la-la-la-la-la til it’s over!

phewwww…that was a close one. good thing we have a medical professional on duty at FDL!

“We’re not going to stop until marriage between a man and a woman is protected,” said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan.
_____

How is it not now “protected”? HOW does the “marriage” of a gay or lesbian couple have ANY effect on a hetero marriage?

I know a gay couple, dude that works for my wife, and his partner. They been together as long as we’ve known them, many years. Were they to “marry” my life would not change one iota.

I hate this bigoted bullshit.

They’re scared of Gore because;

He’d tell the DLC, Shrum, et al, to go f*&% themselves.

He’d expect Dems in office to actually deliver, instead of clutching their pearls and chanting woe-is-me, it’s-not-our-fault.

I’m sorry, but “pledging” to see a movie is just retarded. I might see it, but I’m not going to pledge to see it.

editor @ 69

was trying to find some polling on the governor’s race - how is Strickland polling against Blackwell ? and how much, if any support is he getting from Natl Dems ?

Gore never got a fair shake.

Dean never got a fair shake.

Busby never got a fair shake.

Notice a pattern? Why is it only Dems get assinated/die in plane crashes?

*sigh* Al Gore is sooooo sexy.

btw “Lotus” checkout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus-Eaters

Ooo, ‘at’s beautiful, *ilson.

The land of the lotus-eaters (’round there by Greece way) be my territory. Us lotus-eaters, we fergit stuff. See? I done already fergot my -lander . . . (Think I may a-leff hit in thet l’eau tousse last night. Boy, was thet stuff hard to drift away to sleep on, uh-huh. I gotta ask thet punaise teach me the trick a-thet.

Alrighty now, thank yew an’ carry on . . .

undercoverdick (#43): you’re way off base about edwards. i don’t know where you got all of that but you need to go back to school and do some real research. edwards isn’t my first pick, in fact, feingold is, and i’m cool with al as well. edwards is definitely for the little guy.

Pach, need some corroboration for global warming?

Let’s activate the way back machine and go visit Jim Hansen again

Owe you a Coke, *ilson.

fwiw, Al Gore was always the DLC candidate par excellance

anyone else having trouble with loading Raw Story ?

This also goes to what I’ve always said about Michael Moore - his films are so smug and conceited that it greatly reduces their impact to little more than preaching to the choir. He need to take some lessons.

cbl, no, but I’m having a helluva time loading FDL.

Thanks Angie. Re-watched John Stewart last night w/ Bill Bennett. Better now. That was close.

See Tweety blast Busby for “encouraging illegals to vote”? They are all so full of shit.

Oh, BTW, Dow closes at 10930. Another GOP meme fails the “reality test”

We’re all sooooo fucked.

heh– punaise, my little sister taught me that years ago and it works for all things unpleasant like rethugs on teevee! I’ve had to use it a lot these long chimp years.

Righty: I’m stupid and say the stupidest things but it’s okay because I believe in God. If you say my position on x is stupid it’s because you’re a God-hating liberal.

DLC: Eek.

Lieberman: Amen.

Hillary: Let’s bomb Iraq again.

Gore: You’re wrong. Here’s what’s right and here’s what I think we should do.

Righty poops pants. QED.

never mind, good ol Hooterville High Speed strikes again !

The movie starts here Friday. I went to see Thank You For Smoking this weekend and the trailer ran the just before Smoking. People are talking and eating during the trailers but as the Gore preview unfolds I notice there’s suddenly no noise in the theatre. Looking around I see everyone in the place, and it was well attended, not just focused on the screen, but leaning forward. As the preview ended, there was silence, then a audible exhale, and people talking to each other about it. Seemed not just positive, but potentially paradigm shattering.

Well, you know that the Rapture is due any day now so it really doesn’t MATTER about global warming. Global warming? wait ’til GOD sees all you heathen libruls roasting in HELL. Then you’ll beg for a little Global Warming. it’ll be quite a relief, it will.

Gack! Le loup-garou & the UN moustache!

No way I’m unmuting this teevy!

cbl @ 81

I know of no polls on the Ohio Governor’s race(but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist). If I can find out, even much later, I will comment.

Thanks for asking.

Norske: I think Rusty @ 50 was responding to my post, and I think has a point. While we would love Gore, there’s a lot the slime machine would (unjustly) throw at him and a lot of folks who’ll buy the crap. You think Kerry got it rough? They’d also have a field day with Gore’s childhood and conveniently forget W’s. Suddenly the heir to a political and wealthy family would become a liability.

Rusty - I guess my point was mainly about a message of optimism going a long way whoever runs and I’d really like to see one that could send that and be one with a plan (and knows what a contingency plan is).

I think we as a country (ok a whole lot of us) have lost all power of critical, analytical thought and we’ve reached a level of cynicism that we consciously don’t really care what the candidate says or if they have substance to back it up as long as it’s what we want to hear, not what we need to.

Urban Pirate @ 69

do we really know Patsy Cline was a democrat?

laurie at 36

Thank you for the tidy little sentence I will repeat to my family again and again.

Here’s the anti-Gore campaign, from the right:

Science is for fags. Gore is a fag. Gore is a lunatic extremist. Fuck the fags and Mexicans. America, Fuck-yeah.

Here’s my dream team:

President- Al Gore
VP - Russ Feingold
Secretary of State- Bill Clinton
Secretary of Defense - Wesley Clark
Secretary of the Interior - Robert Kennedy, Jr.
Secretary of Labor - John Edwards
Attorney General - Patrick Fitzgerald

The Republican Party is a big tent. It is a three ring fucking circus.

-GSD

pach @ 104

Well, that about settles it.

OT - I’m no fan-o-Hillary, but at least she’s defending her constituents: (cnn.com)

Clinton slams Coulter’s ‘vicious’ put-down of some 9/11 widows

WASHINGTON (AP) — New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton lashed out at Ann Coulter for a “vicious, mean-spirited attack” on a group of outspoken 9/11 widows, whom the right-wing television pundit described as “self-obsessed” and enjoying their husbands’ deaths.

…

“Perhaps her book should have been called ‘Heartless,”‘ the senator said.

“I know a lot of the widows and family members who lost loved ones on 9/11. They never wanted to be a member of a group that is defined by the tragedy of what happened.”

The New York Democrat and former first lady said she found it “unimaginable that anyone in the public eye could launch a vicious, mean-spirited attack on people whom I’ve known over the last four and a half years to be concerned deeply about the safety and security of our country.”

The senator spoke after delivering a speech on protecting children from exposure to sex- and violence-saturated media.

oregon dave- can you check to see if the Safari problem has been fixed?

Ofg, that sounded like one beautiful wedding. Long happiness to all!

First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
- Mohandas K. Gandhi

Thanks lotus!

Spector is the lead chameleon in the Big Tent. Punk.

As well she might, punaise!

AC has undoubtedly ruined herself across the board, this time. I swear, hard to tell which the whitecoats will snag first, AC or A.Bag.

Good to see everyone railing against Coulter, except thats exactly what she wants. Attention.

Why doesn’t Clinton take the opportunity to hang her around the Republican Party’s neck?

We know tweety would never say the obvious, but Clinton should have, I think.

Republican Mouthpiece Ann Coulter.

Speaking of - Anybody catch Buchanan the other day - “we’re not racist, we just was a mono-cultural society” ?!?!

Pach 104…

LOL!!!