A recent article in The Forward told an all-too-common story of immigrant workers in a meatpacking plant in Iowa:
One of those workers — a woman who agreed to be identified by the pseudonym Juana — came to this rural corner of Iowa a year ago from Guatemala. Since then, she has worked 10-to-12-hour night shifts, six nights a week. Her cutting hand is swollen and deformed, but she has no health insurance to have it checked. She works for wages, starting at $6.25 an hour and stopping at $7, that several industry experts described as the lowest of any slaughterhouse in the nation.
Juana and other employees at AgriProcessors — they total about 800 — told the Forward that they receive virtually no safety training. This is an anomaly in an industry in which the tools are designed to cut and grind through flesh and bones. In just one month last summer, two young men required amputations; workers say there have been others since. The chickens and cattle fly by at a steady clip on metal hooks, and employees said they are berated for not working fast enough. In addition, employees told of being asked to bribe supervisors for better shifts and of being shortchanged on paychecks regularly.
"Being here, you see a lot of injustice," said Juana, who did not want her real name used because of her precarious immigration status. "But it's a small town. It's the only factory here. We have no choice."
Almost lost in the grand debate over immigration policy filling consuming the media and political campaigns is discussion over the work environment of the millions of immigrant workers in this country– both legal and illegal. But peruse a list of recent workplace fatalities and you’ll always find a high number of foreign names, workers from Central America, South Asia and Africa who fell from buildings, dismembered in machinery, crushed in trench collapses or shot in convenience store or taxi cab robberies.
Immigrants made up 14 percent of the U.S. workforce and work-related fatalities and injuries among these workers has been rising at an alarming rate. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the number of workplace fatalities among Hispanic and immigrant workers is climbing far faster than their percentage of the workforce. 902 Hispanic workers were killed in 2004, the last year in which statistics are available. This compares with 794 in 2003 and 533 in 2002. 164,000 were injured on the job in 2004. According to an AFL-CIO analysis of BLS data, Hispanic construction workers were nearly twice as likely to be killed by occupational injuries as their non-Hispanic counterparts in 2000. While the share of foreign-born employment increased by 22 percent from 1996 to 2003, the share of fatal occupational injuries for this population increased by 43 percent.
Surprisingly, homicide, not construction work is the leading cause of traumatic workplace death for foreign-born workers in this country, accounting for one out of every four fatal injuries. The second and third most frequent types of fatal events involving foreign-born workers were falls to a lower level (15 percent) and highway incidents (14 percent).
The media began paying closer attention to the plight of undocumented workers two years ago with a series of award winning articles by AP reporter Justin Pritchard who told of how “The jobs that lure Mexican workers to the United States are killing them in a worsening epidemic that is now claiming a victim a day,” and described in gruesome detail how “workers are impaled, shredded in machinery, buried alive. Some are as young as 15.”
But the problem is not just limited to Hispanic workers. The death of Jian Quo Shen in a 2004 trench collapse in New York City revealed the underworld of a growing number of Chinese workers finding jobs in construction through help-wanted ads. The projects, often run by Asian construction firms, remodel or demolish parts of existing structures in order to convert them into buildings that can pack in higher numbers of low-income residents. Safety precautions, such as fall protection or trench boxes are generally ignored.
Most of the causes of the carnage among immigrant workers are also well known. The main reason is that immigrant are employed doing the most dangerous jobs in the most dangerous industries and tend to work in the less-skilled and more dangerous occupations such as construction laborers, helpers and roofers.
Between 1996 and 2001, private construction, retail trade and transportation and public utilities (counted as one industry) were the three industries in which fatally injured foreign-born workers most frequently were employed. Nearly one in four fatally injured foreign-born workers was employed in the construction industry. Another one in three was employed either in retail trade or transportation and public utilities. Industries with the highest fatality rates for foreign-born workers include mining, construction, transportation and public utilities and agriculture, forestry and fishing.
Reports by Human Rights Watch, the Government Accountability Office and the UCLA Labor Occupational Safety and Health Program have shown that other causes for high rates of injuries and fatalities among immigrant workers include:
- Lack of Knowledge About Safety and Health Hazards: The jobs that many immigrants do are new and they are not familiar with the hazards of the jobs. Furthermore, they generally do not know about OSHA or their right to request and inspection and have their name kept secret
- Language Barrier: This goes deeper than inability to speak or understand English. Many immigrant workers are illiterate in their native language. Spanish language fact sheets don't help in that situation.
- Exploitation: Immigrant workers are frequently sent to do the most dangerous work.
- Intimidation: This is closely related to exploitation. Immigrant workers are much less likely to call OSHA -- assuming they know about their rights -- than American citizens. If they are illegal, In addition, they often fear government officials, even those who are there to help them. This stems not only from the fears imported from their own country, but also fear of the "migra."
Intimidation Of course, we don't really know the full extent of injuries (and possibly deaths) among undocumented immigrants. Undocumented workers are far less likely to report injuries, get workers compensation or complain about unsafe working conditions than white workers. Immigrant advocates warn that as soon as an undocumented worker gets injured, the employer often threatens to call immigration authorities if they report the injury. According to a recent Associated Press story:
Bob Hernandez, a community activist in Wichita who often works on behalf of injured Hispanic workers, said many companies hire undocumented workers in construction and other high risk jobs because they know they will not complain if they get hurt. "It is rampant, and that is why they do it," Hernandez said. "They know the jobs are dangerous. One way of getting around the liability is, hire someone who doesn't have much legal recourse."
Some companies such as Gold Kist poultry company, which are not overly concerned about their employees' legal status when they were hired, were suddenly outraged that they were "illegal" once they were injured and attempted to pay workers comp. Many immigrant workers aren’t even aware of their Workers Comp rights. A Massachusetts Department of Public Health Survey of 1,400 injured workers found that more than half of the foreign-born workers questioned had never heard of workers’ compensation, compared with 15 percent among U.S.-born workers. A UCLA study found that Hispanic workers were not familiar with governmental agencies that could assist them. Less than 10 percent had ever heard of Cal-OSHA and no workers surveyed had contacted CalOSHA for assistance.
Some are even trying to make the failure to pay workers compensation to undocumented workers official state policy. In South Carolina, legislators have attempted and failed three times to exclude undocumented workers from the workers compensation system. Just to add insult to injury, South Carolina's workers comp law allows payments to foreign beneficiaries to be limited to 50% of what a Canadian or U.S. worker would receive. This is a state where only 2.7 percent of South Carolina's 1.97 million-member work force were Hispanic in 2002, yet 6.5 percent of the 107 workplace fatalities that year-- seven deaths -- involved Hispanics.
An unintended (hopefully) consequence of the anti-immigrant fervor is that immigrant workers are not getting adequate care after they are injured, because they being arrested and deported if they call medical authorities. Last month, for example, an immigrant worker was seriously injured in Middletown, Connecticut after falling off a roof. He had no fall protection, even though OSHA requires guard rails and harnesses when working more than six feet off the ground. The man's co-workers, who were also Hispanic males, tried to provide first aid themselves instead of calling 911. Thirty minutes after he fell, neighbors finally called 911. And the workers weren't just being paranoid. Police arrived and called federal immigration authorities who took the men into custody.
Advocates for undocumented workers say the episode, which unfolded just before noon on Butternut Street, illustrates the vulnerability of those who have come to the United States illegally to find work. "This case is not an aberration," said Kica Matos, a lawyer who directs Junta for Progressive Action, a New Haven-based immigrant advocacy group. "We deal with cases all the time with immigrants who were injured in the workplace." *** Maria-Cinta Lowe, executive director of the Hispanic Center of Greater Danbury, said the workers in the incident were on the job, had not committed a crime and should not have been detained, especially considering the chance of immigration law reform. "People are really afraid," she said.
Let Them Die?
Despite the clear moral problems with allowing any workers -- "legal" or "illegal" -- to work in unsafe conditions, to make it difficult to receive workers compensation, to fear reporting injuries or unsafe conditions, these stories in newspapers and blogs generate an amazing number of negative comments from people who seem to think "illegals" are getting what they deserve; that the penalty for working illegally in the United States should be death -- execution by falling from a roof, or being crushed in a trench.
Their arguments can roughly be summed up as follows:
What don't you understand about the word "illegal?" We should be using any means to deport them not encourage them to stay by making their workplaces safer. In fact, if we keep them out, or send them home, we're actually protecting them. And why should we be spending our tax dollars to protect criminals or give them workers compensation? This kind of whining just shows why you liberals who support illegal immigration are soft on national security.
Aside from the obvious cruelty and lack of compassion, what we have here is a failure to understand that by making immigrant workers more afraid that they will be deported if they complain about unsafe conditions, or call OSHA or file a workers comp claim, they're actually making the hiring of undocumented workers more attractive to employers, not less.
In addition, if employers are free to hire and abuse undocumented immigrants without fear that they'll complain about their safety conditions, US-born workers will feel that they need to accept the same unsafe conditions or risk being replaced by undocumented workers who don't complain. And finally, we're dealing here with workers who arrived in this country after risking their lives crossing the desert in order to find a job. For better or worse, unsafe working conditions are just another risk that many of them will take in order to feed their families.
What Is OSHA Doing?
To its credit, OSHA is aware of the safety problems with immigrant workers and has taken some steps to address it. Unfortunately, it's been more like one step forward and two back.
As far back as the late 1990's, the Clinton administration began targeting the Susan Harwood Worker Training grant program toward unions and non-profit organizations that showed that they could work in high risk and immigrant communities. The five year grants were awarded to organizations that could actually establish relationships with immigrant churches and community organizations, and not just translate factsheets into Spanish.
In February 2002, OSHA announced an initiative to address the increased safety and health risks of immigrant and Hispanic workers. Despite its best intentions, however, the AP's Pritchard found two years ago that federal and state OSHA programs were having trouble hiring Spanish-speaking inspectors – even in states that hive high numbers of immigrant workers such as California and North Carolina.
And at the same time OSHA was allegedly attempting to address the immigrant worker safety problem, the Bush administration was attempting every year to eliminate the Susan Harwood training grant program. And every year the Congress has refused to eliminate the program, extending the orginal grant program to the present.
Another area where OSHA is hurting, instead of helping immigrant workers is its failure to issue a standard that would be particularly significant for immigrant workers who work in dangerous industries like meat-packing, poultry and construction: the Employer Payment for Personal Protective Equipment standard. The proposed rule which would require employers to pay for the safety equipment that must be provided by employers under OSHA standards, went through the rule-making process during the Clinton administration and has long been ready for final action.
Despite a petition from the AFL-CIO and Congressional Hispanic Caucus to issue the final standard, OSHA has continually put off action. Most recently, acting OSHA Administrator Jonathan L. Snare testified before the House Appropriations subcommittee that he could not give “a specific time, whether it’s several months or several years down the road.” And whatever good things OSHA actually does threaten to be undone by the part of the federal government in charge with controlling illegal immigration.
Last year, immigrant workers at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in Goldsboro, North Carolina were ordered to attend a mandatory safety training the following morning. When they arrived, however, the doors were locked and the "OSHA Trainers" revealed themselves instead to be agents of the the federal Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), a division of the Department of Homeland Security. The immigration agents took into custody dozens of undocumented workers from Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador and Ukraine. Coverage in the workplace safety blog, Confined Space, led to protests by labor unions and front page coverage in the New York Times. Even OSHA strongly objected to the impersonation of its inspectors. AFL-CIO Executive Vice President Linda Chavez Thompson explained the problem:
Not only do such tactics scare workers away, making it less likely that workplace dangers will be exposed, but these tactics don’t comply with the government’s own policies. It is OSHA’s policy to keep the identity of those who file complaints confidential and not to collect data concerning citizenship status. The reason for these policies is simple: if workers believe that they or their families are at risk of being deported, they will not speak out about dangerous or unhealthful conditions. ICE’s actions not only undermine OSHA’s mission, but they also seriously erode the trust between agencies charged with protecting workers and the immigrant community.
Despite the protests, ICE at first stuck to its guns, citing national security concerns and the importance of such tactics in keeping employers from hiring undocumented workers. Finally, they backed down and promised to stop impersonating OSHA. But the damage may have been done.
What Are Unions Doing?
In many industries, such as meatpacking, the influx of immigrant workers, many of whom are undocumented, corresponds to the decline in union representation, and a resulting decline in wages, benefits and safety precautions. According to a report by the US Department of Agriculture’s Economic Research Service,
in 1980, 46 percent of workers in the meat products industry were union members, a figure that had remained stable since the 1970s. However, by the end of the 1980s, union membership had fallen to 21 percent. Declining rates of unionization coincided with increases in the use of immigrant workers, higher worker turnover, and reductions in wages. Immigrants make up large and growing shares of the workforces at many plants. Labor turnover in meat and poultry plants is quite high, and in some worksites can exceed 100 percent in a year as workers move to other employers or return to their native countries. The frequent movement of immigrant workers among plants and communities limits the opportunities of unions to organize meat and poultry workers.
Understanding that exploitation of immigrant labor -- even undocumented immigrants -- woudl undermine the pay and working conditions of all workers, the labor movement, which had been strongly in favor of immigration controls, decided that it made more sense to ensure that undocumented immigrants have the same rights that legal immigrants and American citizens enjoy -- and then organizing them.
Although their working conditions and pay cry out for improvement, immigrant workers are generally more difficult to organize. A recent article about conditions at an Iowa meatpacking plant told of an organizing drive that had failed even though workers complain about lack of training, short paychecks, not being paid on Jewish holiday, barely any break or lunch time, low wages and safety problems.
Spanish-speaking community leaders in Postville said that last year's union drive failed for the same reason that the grievances have not been made public before: The workers have a well-developed fear of being fired or deported. Many of the workers are undocumented immigrants, according to numerous workers, community leaders and the local priest.
"If you're not treated well at work, you tend to keep your mouth shut and go deeper until it becomes, well, unbearable," said Father Floyd Paul Ouderkirk, Postville's Roman Catholic priest. Ouderkirk previously had ministered in other Iowa and Texas slaughterhouse towns. In those other plants, Ouderkirk said, the workers had been less afraid to speak up and had labored in more tolerable conditions.
Workers also reported that management threatened to fire them or call immigration if the union won the campaign.
The labor movement is divided, however, about the best way to move forward. The AFL-CIO is heavily involved in the current immigration debate, calling for an immigration system that protects all workers within our borders—both native-born and foreign. The federation's policy focuses on the reasons why people are coming to the U.S – the failure of Latin American country’s economies due to the North American Free Trade Agreement -- that is causing Latin American workers to flock to the United States in a desperate search for jobs to support their families. The AFL-CIO is opposing the guest worker program supported by the Bush’s administration and the Senate in a recently passed immigration reform bill sponsored by Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy and Republicans John McCain:
We’ve seen employers turn tens of thousands of permanent, well-paying jobs in the United States into temporary jobs through the use of various guestworker programs. The temporary guestworker jobs come with few or no benefits, lower wages and often are staffed through temporary agencies, whose fees come out of workers’ pockets. The foreign workers recruited to fill these jobs remain legally tied to the employers that recruited them and are thus naturally vulnerable to exploitation.
The Service Employees International Union (SEIU), whose memberships included large numbers of immigrant workers, on the other hand, is supporting the Guest Worker program. SEIU heads the Change-to-Win coalition, the group of unions that broke away from the AFL-CIO last year. While both SEIU and the AFL-CIO any immigration program should be accompanied by full protections and the promise of a path to citizenship, SEIU believes that guest workers program is the best way to move forward, while the AFL-CIO things a guest worker program will just create a group of second-class workers.
But a shocking series by the Sacramento Bee last year showed that just because immigrant workers are here legally doesn’t necessarily mean that they won’t be abused. The Bee reported on the 10,000 “pineros” working in the US forests who are hired legally on H2B visas, at the invitation of the federal government, to plant trees across and thin fire-prone woods out West as part of the Bush administration's Healthy Forests Initiative. The story told of immigrant forest workers who
are gashed by chain saws, bruised by tumbling logs and rocks, verbally abused and forced to live in squalor. Rainstorms pummel them. Cold winds sweep over them. Hunger stalks them. And death claims them. Across Honduras and Guatemala, 14 guest workers lay in tombs, victims of the worst non-fire-related workplace accident in the history of U.S. forests.
The paper reported that federal officials overseeing the work witness the mistreatment and wretched working conditions. But they don't intervene. And, where government oversight of contractors exists, it's often inconsistent.
Community Activity
The good news is that there are more community groups working to ensure safe working conditions for immigrant workers. In Boston, a project called Project COBWEB (Collaboration for Better Work Environment for Brazilians in Massachusetts) has been organized to educate and organize immigrant teens about the workplace violence hazards of retail work is being organized. Organizers include parents of teens who have been killed, staff from the University of Massachusetts at Lowell and the Massachusetts Coalition on Occupational Safety and Health (MASSCOSH).
Some community coalitions are working with the federal government as well. Justice and Equality in the Workplace, is a Houston based coalition organized in July 2001 to help inform Hispanic immigrants about their rights as workers and to uncover illegal employment practices and discrimination.
The coalition is made up of the U.S. Department of Labor's Office of Federal Contract Compliance and Wage and Hour Division, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the Mexican, Colombian, Guatemalan and El Salvadorian consulates, the City of Houston, the Harris County AFL-CIO, the Catholic Diocese of Galveston-Houston, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, the Hispanic Contractor's Association in Houston, the Associated General Contractors of America's Houston chapter, the Houston Chamber of Latino Business Owners and, lately, OSHA. The coalition uses billboards, fliers and videos to advertise a central telephone number for immigrants to call if they are being mistreated or become aware of violations.
The tips are then passed along to the EEOC's Houston office, the Labor Department's Wage and Hour Division and OSHA. The program has been effective, leading to discrimination lawsuits, payments of back wages and OSHA investigations.
Conclusion
Because of the inherent problems with OSHA, immigrants legitimate fear of their employees and immigration authorities, the UCLA Labor Occupational Safety and Health Program study found that the best solution may be for OSHA and state authorities to provide grants and other resources to organizations that workers trust:
community-based organizations, clinics, and worker advocacy groups that work with, or provide services to, immigrants. This will allow them to provide training and educational materials for immigrant workers and also serve as an extension of governmental workplace health and safety agencies by reporting possible labor law violations and injury/illness cases.
Ultimately our worth as a compassionate people depends not so much on whether we let immigrants across our borders, but how we treat them when they get here. Right now, we're not doing too well.
Jordan Barab blogs at Confined Space .
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Upton Sinclair’s classic novel “The Jungle” was precisely about the unsafe working conditions for immigrant workers in the U.S. meatpacking industry 100 years ago.
Another great and true post, Jordan. The expoitation of immigrant labor is the one reality that makes me think that more strict entry policy is needed. It is also the reason that this country is unikely to do anything to stem the flow of immigrants to factories and fields across the country.
Thanks
and GO BUSBY!!
punaise, your summary of my run-in today with the gendarmerie was correct. What’s funny is that I am managing the very likely successful campaign of the guy that will be the next city-councillor covering the district in which the campus is situated. Also, tomorrow a State Senator is calling the Chancellor about running taxpayers off the campus …
Jordan, thank you. Another shame for America. We have so much work to do and so many things to atone for.
OT: Niewert at Orcinus has written a good article about the Unger article in VF on “black psy-ops” http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2.....y-war.html
Cool, it’s Jordan night!
Can’t wait to dig in ot this post.
If we had any question at all about the fact that we are going back to the glorious Gilded Age of the early 1900’s, this post confirms what we all expected. If we allow this to happen to immigrants, it eventually happens to all workers.
OT: I left a link to the transcript to the Cafferty File report angie was referring to in the previous thread. Here’s the URL:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-132329
It’s a fun read.
Thanks Jordan. Whew. A lot to absorb here. BTW, if you have time to edit the article, it would be great to add at the bottom “this is part of a continuing series… at FDL- titles with links to earlier FDL posts- highlights what a great resource this is. Thx.
EPU’d x 2:
Cujo359 (179, 11) - great snarling spineless dog analogy
New thread on http://mydd.com covering MT-Sen and CA-50.
(EPU’d) Christina Pelosi will be live blogging CA-50 at
http://www.challengernet.com/H.....fault.aspx
*ilson - I was going to mention the taxpayer angle. That’s your campus! Well, if your candidate wins they’ll be rolling out the red carpet for you, huh?
thanks sanitas !
*ilson46201 (8) — Thanks for that link to Unger’s VF article. More validation about the nature of contracts with Rendon, Lincoln Group, SyColeman et al for “information management” in lieu of the allegedly defunct OSI.
So what’s your take on the sitch in Canada…is this a convenient psyop to prop a semi-friendly like Harper, while encouraging an escalation of the terror alert here to prop Dubya?
Fantastic post. Thanks very much. FDL should have an archive for great pieces like this. This is like a tutorial. FDL night courses next?
amazing post, indeed.
Garrison Keillor (@ salon.com):
“…You might not have always liked Republicans, but you could count on them to manage the bank. They might be lousy tippers, act snooty, talk through their noses, wear spats and splash mud on you as they race their Pierce-Arrows through the village, but you knew they could do the math. To see them produce a ninny and then follow him loyally into the swamp for five years is disconcerting, like seeing the Rolling Stones take up lite jazz. So here we are at an uneasy point in our history, mired in a costly war and getting nowhere, a supine Congress granting absolute power to a president who seems to get smaller and dimmer, and the best the Republicans can offer is San Franciscophobia? This is beyond pitiful. This is violently stupid.
It is painful to look at your father and realize the old man should not be allowed to manage his own money anymore. This is the discovery the country has made about the party in power. They are inept. The checkbook needs to be taken away. They will rant, they will screech, they will wave their canes at you and call you all sorts of names, but you have to do what you have to do…”
_____
A-fucking-MEN!
the Canada situation sounds hyped … sounds like some amateurish but enthusiastic brothers were easily caught - even the 3000 pounds of ammonium nitrate were sold by govt agents to them. They were being played for months! It does kinda defuse the border problem with Mexico with an even bigger border up north undefended.
Rayne– they keep playing up the internet linky thing and my gut feeling was that the next step is capturing our net freedom (such that it is) and locking it away…..
*ilson, yeah but Canadians arn’t brown.
While we are at it, let’s show compassion for the poor animals maltreated throughout their lives and then slaughtered so that we can enjoy ourselves at the dinner table.
“The lives of billions of animals on American feedlots and factory farms are horrible to contemplate, an affront to our image of ourselves as humane.” Michael Pollan.
http://pollan.blogs.nytimes.com/?8qa [Times Select]
BobbyG, thank you for that. But something thunderstruck me as I read it:
(a) Garrison Keillor has won wealth and fame for writing well then carefully polishing his stuff to that level of shine.
(b) I’d run WAY out of fingers and toes trying to count all the folks who, right here, communicate, analyse and amuse to that same level OFF THE TOPS OF THEIR HEADS.
That’s the truth, and it stuns me daily.
Cheers for sharing one of my favorite thinkers and speakers and writers of our time, BobbyG!
The blog Failed Messiah has been trying to hold AgriProcessors to account for quite a while now. It seems that AgriProcessors, owned by the Rubashkin family, is the largest slaughterer of Kosher meats in the USA. The owner of the blog finds it amazing that the meat can be certified as Kosher given the documented brutality towards the animals, to say nothing of the people who work there. He’s got lots of good stuff there, all of it incredible.
Well, I favor the AFL-CIO view on opposing Bush’s Guest Worker Program. It’s nothing but a form of corporate welfare for his big business buddies. I think it’s one more reason why we need to shore up our borders and start sending enforcement officers into these plants and arresting illegals. It eventually forces these companies to hire American workers who WILL complain about working conditions, and even organize.
In the meantime, this article doesn’t paint a very good picture at all about these workers. They are being used up by the corporations…almost a legalized form of murder and amputation. Very, very sad.
Thank you for this very thorough article.
Ghostman
Polls open 55 more minutes in the California Primary- go Busby!
Don’t know about the guest worker thing. You’d have to have some numbers to figure it out it seems. On the one hand- it would probably draw more workers. On the other hand- it would give them legal status which would preclude payin em at illegal levels.
Would the net effect be to raise or lower wages? Don’t know without numbers.
31, rwcole…in my opinion, the net effect of NO guest worker program, with illegals enforcement, would be to raise wages and improve working conditions. But…you also asked for numbers…and I don’t have those.
Ghostman
oh, rwcole…I don’t think a guest worker program precludes the company from paying low wages. All the program would do is say to the immigrant you have “official permission” to work at company “x”. Doesn’t address required wages or working conditions.
Ghostman
Amen on the concept that once they get away with the immigrant workers, they’ll move right up the ladder onto everybody else…
It surely can’t be a hard sell to around 60% of the people to believe that The Decider, Deadeye, Herr Rover, Abu Gonzales and the rest of the merry maruaders would sell the average schmoe down the river for a Yoo Hoo and a cremehorn.
-GSD
C’mon CSIS get off your butt!
rwcole @ 7:11 pm (#31) - I think it would be difficult to get reliable numbers from something that’s principally an underground economy. No matter what happens in the way of legislation, I think it will just be a case of pass the legislation, and (assuming signing statements or other shenanigans don’t gut the bill) wait for the results to appear.
lotuslander 26 -
Point taken. And, I agree. That’s why I continue to hang here. My contributions are minimal. What I learn is invaluable and humbling.
angie -
Yeah, I like what he writes over at salon.com
Let’s go Buzz-Bee…
As to the Canadian head chop caper…haven’t there been quite a few of these big busts….and later on as they prosecute it turns out to be a mentally challenged roach coach driver who was accidentally roped by the FBI into buying a stinger missile because the Arabic word for “steak bomb” sounds like the words “steenger meesiles” in English.
-GSD
Back in. OnT, thanks to Jordan for this comprehensive overview. I had been wondering lately about things like worker training and recourse that have non-wage effects on home-grown workers. This gives me a good start.
OT, sorta… the Canada situation sounds hyped … as increasingly do they all, when you look back at them. I distinctly recall Rumsfeld, who fancies that he can take any of us off the dribble, going off quite frequently in the earlier days about how this war would demonstrate the efficacy of psyops, new vistas would be exposed, thresholds crossed, i’s dotted … Now of course it’s clear to at least 70 percent of the public that he meant us.
Human Events Michigan straw polls are in for the Bush Party.
Tantalizing Tom Tancredo Tickles The Top Spot
http://www.humaneventsonline.c.....n_michigan
-GSD
No write-ins for Pinochet, or the Shah of Iran or John Bolton’s mustache.. surprisingly.
Very thought provoking, Jordan. Who in the media will stand up and point out that our american way of life depends on a giant blackmarket of labor. Just like any other blackmarket protections are limited, and it doesn’t just affect those participating in that labor market, it spills over into adjecent areas. (decoded for the trolls: when illegals die in our factories, we are damaged also.)
Iowa Democratic gubernatorial primary…
From Kosearlier today:
But early returns (10% reporting) are showing Blouin with a 3:1 lead over Culver:
http://www.swingstateproject.c.....ntan_1.php
Way too early to know if this led will hold.
Hmmph. We’ve been pissing about meatpacking plants since about 1906, and still can’t get it right.
I remember reading a while back about Henry Ford’s $5/day. He made a big deal about it, said he wanted his workers to be able to be customers, too, yadda, yadda, yadda.
The real truth of the matter was that, in 1912, Ford modified his assembly line process, and the work became so brutal that his turnover rate in 1913 was 380%.
He had to more than double the rate of pay to keep people in a job that was killing them.
He didn’t fix the problem with the work load. He just paid people enough to keep them from leaving as quickly as they did before.
Where did he learn his assembly line tricks that made the work so onerous? From the meatpacking industry.
By 1931, Henry wasn’t much concerned about his “customers.” He was, instead, blaming the Depression on the poor: “These are really good times, but only if you know it. The average man won’t really do a day’s work unless he is caught and cannot get out of it.”
At the time, Ford was personally worth (in 1931 dollars) $200 million, but he refused to even donate to a discharged workers’ compensation fund.
What changed all that? Eventually, unionization.
Unionization even changed the meatpacking industry, but illegal immigration was used to break unions in that industry. It’s a perfect example of why any program giving the employer an out will ultimately be exploited to the employer’s advantage.
GSD
There have been two with minimal arrests.
Excellent post, and a story that needs to be told!
First, any and every job site should be safe. You get safety by training employees, keeping your equipment and facility in good repair,and aggressively seeking out compromises to safety (both material and in attitude). This takes a commitment from the top. We have multitudinous prime facie cases where corporations cannot be trusted to accomplish this; think Sago. CEO - Masters-of-the Universe make large $$$ because of their knowledge and skills. OK, when their safety standards fail, send their asses to jail. They’re paid well to know what’s going on in their company (I bet the SOB’s know if the thought UNION crosses your mind - watch them spring into action then!). Not gonna happen so long as we send Republicans to the White House. NMB, NLRB, DOL and OSHA appointments matter.
Second, corporations should get HAMMERED for hiring illegals - we know they’re going to exploit them - why let it happen? I don’t mean a few paltry fines here and there. I mean CEO perp walks.They’re paid plenty to know what’s going on in their company. Not going to happen with Republicans running things.
Third, the exploitation of illegal immigrants is the canary in the mine shaft for legal workers. Assume you’re a step or two up the pecking order from illegal immigrants in your workplace. Assume corporations continue to get away with employing them. There is tremendous pressure on you to accept risks you would not ordinarily take, because, hey - get uppity and the next guy across the Rio Grande gets your job!
Fourth, until laws like NAFTA force corporations to pay a living wage to employees in the host country, this tide will not turn.
Robber Baron extraordinaire Jay Gould said “I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.” That’s not all that different from what Jordan describes.
Ed N Sted @ 7:41 pm (#42) - What’s the story of the two Democrats? Is either one progressive enough to merit attention?
In defense of Michigan - we are a blue state.
OT:Eliot Spitzer is ahead in NY by 50 (nope, not a typo). Christ, no wonder Weld dropped out. Spitzer beats all challengers by that kind of margin. (Man, I got a thing for tough prosecutors lately. Noice.)
http://www.newsday.com/news/lo.....-headlines
diogenes @ 7:44 pm (#45) - At the very least, fines for hiring illegals should at least equal the difference in costs with hiring American citizens and providing them a safe and legal environment.
Hell, it should be double that.
Either way, you need to significantly alter the cost/benefit ratio, and radically increase the odds of getting caught.
Oh and that Kathleen Blanco is all set to pull a Mike Rounds from South Dakota and sign a total abortion ban……
Hope she loses re-election.
-GSD
Jesus Whirling Christ:
The CIA knew where Eichmann was for two years before the Israelis got him.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/.....index.html
And now, of course, we’re gonna have to nuke Iran to make up for it ….
Mr. Barab’s article, and the comment 45 by diogenes paint the entire picture in exacting and perfect detail.
And, as an added bonus to Democrats….you get a bunch of American workers back in all those plants…many, many of them will not only vote for Democratic candidates, but in their off time will volunteer down at various campaign offices…phone calls, stuff envelopes, you name it.
Ghostman
The chicken plant near us is staffed almost entirely by Maya. It looks like there’s a habit of employing indigenous immigrants.
EPUd: Olbermann on Ann Coulter.
“Unionization even changed the meatpacking industry, but illegal immigration was used to break unions in that industry. It’s a perfect example of why any program giving the employer an out will ultimately be exploited to the employer’s advantage.”
Pretty simple cure for that, throw the employers in JAIL.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/.....C1324.html
Polls close in five minutes in California. Bilbray is said to have a big lead in early absentee ballots.
Cujo359 @ 48,
In egregious cases,
http://www.workingimmigrants.c.....mmigr.html
I’m thinkin’ a major hit right off the bottom line.
The greater of 5% or $ 5 mil?
They can afford it - they pay the top execs that and more.
lastest on Montana from MyDD
http://www.mydd.com/
*By the way, I’m now using the Billings Gazette and the Tester blog instead. Much better than the other site.
*Tester 5,615–2,806. Its 2-1 for Tester now.
*Tester 4,706–2,459 Morrison. These are all absentee, and I don’t want to get over-confident, but how could Morrison really come back from an absentee deficit like this?
pseudonymous in nc @ 7:53 pm (#52) - Who was interviewing Olberman? He sounds like Bill O’Reilly.
what about the NY AG race, anyone ?
Thanks for this post, Jordan. My hands ache for these workers.
Here in my area of Ohio we have a basket factory where lots of people get carpal tunnel injuries; we have an embroidery factory–same story. But it doesn’t compare to what you describe.
Okay, the polls are closed in California — has Busby won yet?
Bush/Rove stick the final knife in Katherine Harris–the final payback for helping to adminster a Bush 2000 victory.
NYTimes front page…Harris a “pariah”….
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0606.html
Thanks guys, glad to have helped you when you needed me.
-GSD
Excellent Post! Thank you!
diogenes @ 7:58 pm (#55)
2000 employees x 3 yr x $50K /employee = $300 million
x 2 = $600 million
And that’s just for the employees “Amador” recruited 1995-1998.
I think $50k is a good estimate for that time period. I used to price professional non-union engineers at about twice that. Tyson was paying those guys, excuse the expression, chicken feed.
*ilson, that was when literature was actually read! (4) Garrison writes so beautifully, but seems to stand for little. Where are the Danes when we need them?
Weld has an issue with consesutive law, which I don’t really understand.
In Alabama, kooky, disgraced former Judge Roy Moore is getting his head handed to him, bad hair plugs and all…
He is losing by the batshitloads.
-GSD
Cujo359 @ 63
Ohhh, I like your math better!
Do we still get a perp walk?
ck,
“Okay, the polls are closed in California %u2014 has Busby won yet?”
Coupla things I heard on CNN earlier today…
1) The results probably won’t be known until after midnight, eastern time.
2) If it’s a CLOSE race, because of the absentee ballots, it could be weeks.
Dunno what to believe, probably number one.
hell, fine ‘em a dollar….but put them in cuffs!
Ghostman
The early absentee ballot will be the first numbers we see. They were pre counted I believe. The late absentees may not be counted for a day or two.
I will see some of you’ll in person later this week..
peace to all,
the
Not today, Mr. Wallace.
“George C. Wallace Jr., son of the former Alabama governor, was trailing in the GOP primary for lieutenant governor to Luther Strange, a Birmingham attorney.”
-GSD
diogenes @ 8:13 pm (#66) - For that kind of money, you probably don’t need one. Of course, if the bosses don’t think they’ll be caught, it doesn’t matter, but if there’s a fair chance they’ll get caught, and everyone else they compete with faces those costs, there’s much less reason to try the illegal route.
To me, perp walks are like capital punishment - not a real deterrent if no one thinks they’ll be caught anyway.
Not that I’m against jailing people, but I’d be more inclined to jail them over the bad working conditions in the article. To me, that’s worth jail time. Might help if there was an amnesty program for potential illegal immigrant witnesses, too.
When John Corzine won his Senate seat, he spent $70 million — much of it his own money. They ran the most intense Knock and Drag GOTV ever — and it showed at the polls.
Why can’t other Democrats do the same — instead of 300 GOTV volunteers in CA-50, why not have 3000?
Inquiring minds, and all that . . .
If GOD was to answer my Prayer tonight Jordan Barad would be Sec. of Labor before the sun set tomorrow. Why don’t we hear such WISDOM FROM the afl - cio SHAME SHAME !!
Yes but maybe someone should tell these poor victims to work elsewhere. We are all the masters of our own destiny. Even illegal immigrants. If you’re gonna go out and make $7.00 max. then go wait tables somewhere. Anything else. What kind of person cuts animals into slabs of meat anyway? What an angel!
Gimme a break. I hate the Repugs and I really do want to call myself a liberal but, man, where are you going with this? It’s this kind of stuff that makes me feel stupid I wanted to call myself a liberal in the first place. Am I supposed to cry because some woman chose to come here with no job and decide to live in goddamn rural Iowa?
Please don’t ask me to feel sorry for these poor immigrants working a job that sucks for peanuts. BTW my wife is an immigrant. A LEGAL immigrant We went through 4 years of hell with forms, fees, and attitudes to get her a green card so she could work here legally.
Life is up to you and the decisions you make. Get a better job or go home where you don’t have to work at a slaughterhouse.
Jeez..
California Results:
http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/usrep/all.htm
So far —-
District 50 - Democratic 11.4% ( 57 of 500 ) precincts reporting
Chris Raye Young 1,405 10.4
Francine Busby 12,036 89.6
…and who knows which precincts are in and which are outstanding…
OT But watching Jon Stewart with Bill Bennett.
What a pompous windbag Bennett is. He is full of slogans but no understanding.
According to him all you gays out there are already part of families. You are sons and daughter, brothers and sisters.
You just can’t play mommies and daddies.
Geez, these guys make me sick.
Sorry, Bill, America is no longer the last best hope for freedom. There are plenty of great countries where 2 people are allowed to create that bedrock of social stability — marriage — regardless of of gender.
Saying you are free is a lie when you are actively working to take away people’s freedom.
Jon Stewart is great!
ck @ 8:21 pm (#73) - Looks like MoveOn has something called a “virtual GOTV” program or some such. Sounds like anyone can do it from anywhere in the country. That could make for a much better GOTV during primaries.
Is Billy Bennett laying odds on the Busby - Bilray balloting?
Chris Bowers at www.mydd.com has called Tester the winner in the MT primary. Very nice!
GSD sez:
Oh and that Kathleen Blanco is all set to pull a Mike Rounds from South Dakota and sign a total abortion ban%u2026%u2026
Hope she loses re-election.
Truth to tell, I have a hard time imagining she’ll even want to try. If she does, I doubt she’ll survive the primary.
NYTimes front page%u2026Harris a “pariah”%u2026.
Without having read the article, I predict the understanding is that A.Bag’s a pariah because everybody knows she’s BARKING MAD — boogiegoobieboo (etc., etc.)
Curious- those must be the PRIMARY results- not the special election results. The two races are being held at the same time.
Here in Alabama, the happiest return I saw was Gov. Riley getting about 4 times the vote of Roy Moore, of “Roy’s Rock” fame.
BTW, my good friend Lynndie Maddox, working for ACLU, was responsible for removing the rock, and I just sent her a congratulatory e-mail. Considering her stance cost her her private practice because preachers were preaching a boycott of her from the pulpits, and she had to move from her home in Brewton to get away from death threats to herself and her dog (one of which came by phone from a local church “Fellowship Hall” -the idiots neglected to *67) she must feel particularly vindicated right about now.
The problem with criminalizing employers of illegal aliens, is that you make the crime Working-While-Hispanic.
Illegals are not undocumented — they have Social Security cards and whatever else is required. Employers are not in a position to become document checkers. But the bottom line is, the GOP wants it both ways; they want cheap labor they can exploit, and they want to bash immigrants for their nativist base.
The Modern GOP — taking Hypocrisy where it has never gone before . . .
rwcole — sorry — I was excited about posting link and didn’t read carefully. California Secretary of State is updating results every 5 minutes. Just FYI.
One very interesting comparison of employer practices that has been making the rounds in business/economics circles is Wal-Mart/Sam’s Club and Costco. The short version is that although Costco pays its employees more, they end up getting more out of them and have far lower training costs due to much less turnover.
The full text of one such article comparing the two companies is at http://www.brennancenter.org/p.....0622.html, but the money quote is this:
Short-term vision when it comes to business practices is shortsighted in the extreme, whether we’re talking about legal or undocumented workers, union or non-union, or anything else.
Would to God that some of these so-called business managers should bother to look beyond next week’s production targets. Not only would it make their jobs easier, but it might even save a few lives and limbs along the way.
ck, you got that right.
Cujo359 at 8:25 pm –
The MoveOn GOTV is a phone banking program; what John Corzine took to new levels was Knock and Drag — knock on doors, drag ‘em to the polls.
Effective Knock & Drag requires a high level of voter identification, and coordination on election day.
Also John Tyson won the Dem primary for AG over the flake who was denying the holocaust.
John Tyson has been a fantastic Mobile county DA, who is not shy about prosecuting white collar criminals, and has been very good about intervening, and not prosecuting, young people who are in trouble. Endorsed by the Alabama Educational Association (teachers Union)an entity my Grandmother was a member of for many decades.
sunny, please pass along a WHOLE big buncha thanks to Lynndie Maddox, ya-he-uh? Yowzer!
lotuslander, I sure will, honey-chile!
Love it!