
Dear Wall Street Journal:
I will type slowly, as if speaking to small children who clearly have comprehension problems about large world events and ethical issues such as lying to federal agents and endangering undercover CIA operatives and such.
Today you write:
All of this matters because it suggests that Mr. Fitzgerald is scrambling even now to explain why a seasoned attorney such as Mr. Libby would lie to a grand jury. The prosecutor's original indictment doesn't mention a motive. And his mention of our editorial suggests he's now trying to invent a motive out of Mr. Libby's attempt to defend the White House from Mr. Wilson's manifestly false allegations at the onset of a Presidential election campaign. (Mr. Wilson joined the Kerry campaign until he was dropped after the official probes destroyed his credibility.)There is all the difference in the world between seeking to respond to the substance of Mr. Wilson's charges, as Mr. Libby did, and taking revenge on him by blowing his wife's cover, which was the motive originally hypothesized by Bush critics for the Plame exposure. The more of Mr. Fitzgerald's case that becomes public, the more it looks like he has made the terrible mistake for a prosecutor of taking Joe Wilson's side in what was essentially a political fight.
Might I suggest you take your own advice from back in June of 2005:
To the extent that the Washington Post's reporting influenced Judge Sirica, it played a critical if not decisive role. The reporters' task is of course to report what they can find out, and it's notable that in their Watergate coverage Messrs. Woodward and Bernstein played the role of old-fashioned diggers, not cable-TV partisans. The rest of the press corps ultimately joined their digging, and Nixon came to have few media defenders.That was all very different from the Clinton era, when many good reporters did similarly important digging. (Susan Schmidt at the Washington Post and Jeff Gerth of the New York Times come to mind.) But far from being praised for their enterprise, they often became pariahs at their own newspapers and the targets of White House attacks. Much of the media took political sides, rather than stick to their higher obligation of ensuring that a President doesn't misuse his Constitutional authority. This was the motive for our own extended coverage of Whitewater and the other ethical corner-cutting of the Clinton years. (emphasis mine)
Why, here's something that I dug up that you might want to read -- it might help you to understand the "ethical corner-cutting" and the issue of "stick[ing] to your higher obligation of ensuring that a President [and his political staffers don't misuse their] Constitutional autority." This might make all those clouds disappear a bit for you:
With respect to Miller, the special counsel seeks evidence regarding two exchanges with I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff and National Security Adviser: first, an in-person meeting in Washington, D.C. on July 8, 2003, and second, a telephone conversation on July 12, 2003. Before the grand jury, Libby testified that although he had previously learned about Wilson's wife's employment, he had forgotten it by July 8 and recalled no discussion of Wilson during his meeting with Miller. (I-105, 134-35, 279.) As to the July 12 conversation, Libby stated, "I said to her that, that I didn't know if it was true, but that reporters had told us that the ambassador's wife works at the CIA, that I didn't know anything about it." (I-208.) Because other testimony and evidence raises oubts about Libby's claims, the special counsel believes Miller's testimony is "essential to determining whether Libby is guilty of crimes, including perjury, false statements and the improper disclosure of national defense information." (8/27/04 Aff. at 28; see also id. at 1-2.)The special counsel's argument is persuasive. As Libby admits, in mid-June 2003, when reports first appeared about the Niger trip, the vice president informed Libby "in an off sort of curiosity sort of fashion" that the Niger envoy's wife worked at the CIA's counterproliferation division. (I-50-55, 245-46.) In addition, handwritten notes by Libby's CIA briefer indicate that Libby referred to "Joe Wilson" and "Valerie Wilson" in a conversation on June 14. (8/27/04 Aff. at 12.) Nevertheless, Libby maintains that he believed he was learning about Wilson's wife's identity for the first time when he spoke with NBC Washington Bureau Chief Tim Russert on July 10 or 11 regarding coverage of the Niger issue by MSNBC correspondent Chris Matthews. (I-162-69; 8/27/04 Aff. at 9-10.) According to Libby, Russert told him, "[D]id you know that Ambassador Wilson's wife works at the CIA? . . . [A]ll the reporters know it." (I-166.) Claiming to have been "a little taken aback by that," Libby testified, "I said, no, I don't know that intentionally because I didn't want him to take anything I was saying as in any way confirming what he said, because at that point in time I did not recall that I had ever known, and I thought this is something that he was telling me that I was first learning." (I-166.)
Russert recalls this conversation very differently. In his deposition, describing Plame's employment as a fact that would have been "[v]ery" significant to him --one he would have discussed with NBC management and potentially sought to broadcast--Russert stated, "I have no recollection of knowing that [Wilson's wife worked at the CIA], so it was impossible for me to have [told Libby] that." (I-43, 32.) Asked to describe his "reaction" to Novak's July 14 column, Russert said, "Wow. When I read that--it was the first time I knew who Joe Wilson's wife was and that she was a CIA operative. . . . [I]t was news to me." (I-433.)
Also contrary to Libby's testimony, it appears that Libby discussed Plame's employment on several occasions before July 10. (See 8/27/04 Aff. at 11-12.) For example, then-White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer recalls that over lunch on July 7, the day before Libby's meeting with Miller, Libby told him, "[T]he Vice-President did not send Ambassador Wilson to Niger . . . the CIA sent Ambassador Wilson to Niger. . . . [H]e was sent by his wife. . . . [S]he works in . . . the Counterproliferation area of the CIA." (II-545-47.) Describing the lunch as "kind of weird" (II-590-91), and noting that Libby typically "operated in a very closed-lip fashion" (II-592), Fleischer recalled that Libby "added something along the lines of, you know, this is hush-hush, nobody knows about this. This is on the q.t." (II-546-47.) Though Libby remembers the lunch meeting, and even says he thanked Fleischer for making a statement about the Niger issue, he denies discussing Wilson's wife. (I-108-09, 156, 226-27.)
As to the July 12 conversation, * * * * * [REDACTED] ** * * *
Libby called several journalists, including Cooper and Miller. (I-202-03.) As Libby tells it, Cooper, whom he reached first, asked him why Wilson claimed Cheney had ordered the trip, to which Libby responded, "[Y]ou know, offthe-record, reporters are telling us that Ambassador Wilson's wife works at the CIA and I don't know if it's true. . . . [W]e don't know Mr. Wilson, we didn't know anything about his mission, so I don't know if it's true. But if it's true, it may explain how he knows some people at the Agency and maybe he got some bad skinny, you know, some bad information." (I-203- 06.) According to Libby, Miller, too, said something that "triggered" him to mention that "reporters had told us that the ambassador's wife works at the CIA." (I-207-09.)
In contrast, in a deposition limited to Cooper's contacts with Libby (see II-32-33, 107), Cooper said that he (Cooper) asked Libby "something along the lines of what do you know about Wilson's wife being involved in, you know, sending him on this mission?" (II-53.) According to Cooper, Libby responded, "[Y]eah, I've heard that too" (II-54), which Cooper took as confirmation (II-81-91).
* * * * [REDACTED] * * * * *
Given the evidence contradicting Libby's testimony, the special counsel appears already to have at least circumstantial grounds for a perjury charge, if nothing else. Miller's testimony, however, could settle the matter. If Libby mentioned Plame during the July 8 meeting--and Miller's responses to the documentary subpoena suggest she has notes from that conversation (see 8/27/04 Aff. at 19-20)--then Libby's version of events would be demonstrably false, since the conversation occurred before he spoke to Russert. Even if he first mentioned Plame on July 12, as he claims, inconsistencies between his recollection and Miller's could reinforce suspicions of perjury.
What's more, if Libby mentioned Plame's covert status in either conversation, charges under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, 50 U.S.C. § 421, currently off the table for lack of evidence (see 8/27/04 Aff. at 28 & n.15), might become viable. Thus, because Miller may provide key corroboration or contradiction of Libby's claims--evidence obviously available from no other source--the special counsel has made a compelling showing that the subpoenas directed at Miller are vital to an accurate assessment of Libby's conduct.
Regarding Cooper, * * * * *[REDACTED] * * * *
...In any event, as with the Miller subpoenas, the evidence sought from Cooper appears essential to accurate understanding of events and could obviously provide information unavailable elsewhere. Thus, again, the special counsel has shown that this evidence is crucial to accurate decision-making by the grand jury.
As to the leaks' harmfulness, although the record omits specifics about Plame's work, it appears to confirm, as alleged in the public record and reported in the press, that she worked for the CIA in some unusual capacity relating to counterproliferation. Addressing deficiencies of proof regarding the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the special counsel refers to Plame as "a person whose identity the CIA was making specific efforts to conceal and who had carried outcovert work overseas within the last 5 years"--representations I trust the special counsel would not make without support.(8/27/04 Aff. at 28 n.15.) In addition, Libby said that Plame worked in the CIA's counterproliferation division (I-53-55, 245-46), * * * * * [REDACTED] * * * * *
Most telling of all, Harlow, the CIA spokesperson, though confirming Plame's employment, asked Novak to withhold her name, stating that "although it is very unlikely that she will ever be on another overseas mission . . . it might be embarrassing if she goes on foreign travel on her own" (II-168-69), a statement that strongly implies Plame was covert at least at some point. While another case might require more specific evidence that a leak harmed national security, this showing suffices here, given the information's extremely slight news value and the lack of any serious dispute regarding Plame's employment.
Finally, while it is true that on the current record the special counsel's strongest charges are for perjury and false statements rather than security-related crimes, that fact does not alter the privilege analysis. Insofar as false testimony may have impaired the special counsel's identification of culprits, perjury in this context is itself a crime with national security implications. What's more, because the charges contemplated here relate to false denials of responsibility for Plame's exposure, prosecuting perjury or false statements would be tantamount to punishing the leak. Thus, given the compelling showing of need and exhaustion, plus the sharply tilted balance between harm and news value, the special counsel may overcome the reporters' qualified privilege, even if his only purpose--at least at this stage of his investigation--is to shore up perjury charges against leading suspects such as Libby * * * * * [REDACTED] * * * * * (via Talkleft's transcription)
Gee, that does come from a Federal Judge, but let's just assume he's not some partisan crazy with an axe to grind, shall we. (Especially given his long record on the bench and all that points to his being rather cautious on matters of national security.)
Try spinning your inaccuracies on a public that is less willing to see them for what they are: a desparate attempt to prop up a failing administration and its failures, and to cover the ass of Scooter Libby and his cronies for breaking the law. Try practicing journalism for a change instead of working as an extension of Tony Snowjob's press office. You'll find it infinitely more rewarding in the long run. The facts are what they are -- and making excuses for one lawbreaker after having going over the top in so many other cases only shows you for the shills you are.
And it does a disservice to your readers, who are neither stupid nor dupes. You and your Republican Rubber Stamp Congressional cronies would do well to remember that your shrinking constituency does not include only zombie rubes who are willing to lap up whatever spoilt milk you happen to be serving that day.
PS -- Try talking to real lawyers who have spent time in a criminal courtroom, who can tell you the difference between presenting evidence as part of a 404(b) "motive, opportunity, intent" sort of thing, and not for the "truth of the matter asserted." You'll find it might make your reporting more, dare I say, accurate in the future. And pssst...PR flacks who pose as knowledgeable legal information sources often...erm...aren't. There's no substitution for checking your facts, even in a shrill editorial.
PPS -- Apologies to the ladies of the Chicken Ranch -- the use of illustration in no way equates you with the level to which the WSJ has sunk.
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OT: the picture of Bush, a gay man, pushing forward an amendment to demonize gays….the hypocrisy is stunning to say the least.
Remember the 200 overnight visits by Jeffy Gannon Guckert, the former male prostitute? Who the hell was he visiting overnight in the W house? Laura? Jenna?
His longtime lover, Victor Ashe, A Tenn. mayor.
Read this and it all becomes clear:
http://bushssecretlifein84.tripod.com/
Wow, fired up today Redd. Love the post. Go get’em!
WSU=Wall Street Urinal
go get ‘em Christy! Fab graphic!
OT and sad– Billy Preston, RIP.
Sock it to them, Christy! Keep the attention on the real matter at hand: TREASON!
Smackdown!
(Is that Paul Gigot bending over to get spanked?)
Wow, that’s quite a dismantling.
Whoo Hoo
ReddHedd doin’ what she does best!
The Plame panel is gonna rock this weekend!
One would hope that the shills at the WSJ know the Heimlich manouver, they should all be choking on their own words about now.Zinger, Christy.
just ass-king: uh, isn’t she bending over forward?
Everybody else,
thanks I wrote down all the HelenThomas suggestions and will take them with me.
You know as I read each of them, I thought “of course”, It’s just the brain freeze from idolizing her too much
fitz!
and bless you, Christy for your passion and energy
and..er…thanks for the graphic - a blast of Sunset Blvd. in the early 80’s….looks like the back end of the ladies who were “talking” to the clients…err…drivers.
I doubt the WSJ editorial team and the Sunset Blvd workers share dress codes, but their ethics are obviously cut from the same cloth….
Thank you. This needed a clear response.
I think the WSJ suffers from a syndrome that’s a result of a two party system. They’re not interested in the facts…they just want to make sure ‘their side’ wins.
Redd hits those bastards with the chair! Yow!
the difference between the wall street journal and the washington post is that the deranged people (and i mean that clinically, as any longtime observer of the journal’s editorial page can attest: these people are psychologically troubled individuals) who control that real estate do not infest the rest of the paper’s excellent reportage.
meanwhile, at the wapo, the deranged editorialists clearly also infect the once-pretty-good reportage to the degree that the wapo is losing credibility by the day.
which is to say two things: a.) it’s a waste of time to try and educate the wall street journal editorial board on the facts regarding anything. they are congenital liars who live in a propagandistic universe - notice, for isntance, the standard tripe about wilson’s “manifestly false allegations;” b.) on the other hand, at least the wall street journal is still a credible new source, so the damage is thankfully limited: no one reads the wsj editorial page for help in making up their mind about anything.
I understand your pain. You arguments are impassioned and accurate. But if the WSJ were fair, balanced, and intelligent, I might read it. I haven’t read it for years.
The Plame panel is gonna rock this weekend!
Indeed it shall … and yes, Christy/Redd, I will be there.
For anyone who’s interested, I’ve also posted the first part of an update/review of my analysis of how the Plame leak occurred, in preparation for the festivities.
That article sounds like a Rovian press release. Is Mr. Rove gearing up the wurlitzer to deal with some bad news due soon?
I’m confused - why is his motive - “why he lied” - such a mystery? He lied to the reporters he talked to because he didn’t want anyone to know that the effort to smear the Wilsons was coming directly out of the highest levels of the White House, and then he lied to investigators and the GJ about the fact that he had lied to reporters, to cover his ass. He felt comfortable lying because he knew that the reporters would never willingly out him as a source, and he failed to anticipate that the reporters could be compelled to testify about their sources.
For those of us who will not be there, is there going to be live blogging or post blogging on this weekend’s festivities?
Zing! You are smokin’ today, Christy - wow!
I couldn’t even get through the entire WSJ piece, because I knew after I read the first paragraph that it was nothing but crap. Honestly, as bad as the stock market has been lately, you’d think there would come a point where the All Screed Journal would stop carrying the administration’s water, but guess they’re in it for the long haul.
What a bunch of amoral losers…
loberstergirl
I think you just wrote Fitz’s opening statement to the jury for him.
That’s the whole case in a nutshell.
just so there’s not a scintilla of doubt as to their agenda -
(you may want to grab bp meds prior to skimming)
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avoiding the acronym in this context, but I am not a lawyer: does motive even matter? A lie is a lie is a lie.
If ever the perfect pic with the perfect post…THIS IS IT!!!
ROFLMAO!!
Pass the tissues please!
I think he lied not because of his role in the smear job itself, but because once the CIA referred the matter to DoJ, he was afraid he was in violation of - at minimum - the IIPA.
You’re hamstrung by trying to explain legalities to people who find the word “lie” to big to understand. I suspect that words larger than a preposition would be incomprehensible to them.
FYI– cspan 3 is broadcasting this now:
Civil Liberties and National Security Needs
Government Reform, National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations
Shays, Christopher U.S. Representative, R-CT
Kean, Thomas H. Chairman (2002-2004), National Cmsn. on Terrorist Attacks
Hamilton, Lee H. Vice Chairman (2003-2004), National Cmsn. on Terrorist Attacks
“Too big”
*sigh*
Proofreading after posting isn’t much help.
Go, Christy! They sure got your Irish up this morning!
Please, someone,refresh my memory - what ethical corners is Clinton accused of cutting? Aside from whitewater (nothing) and Monica (no comment, or I’d never stop), oh, and being a Democrat, what else? The meaning of “is”?
howard @ 11:07 am (#17) - Unfortunately, you’re correct. The publishers of the WSJ largely confine their fantasy life to the editorial pages. I still count it as one of the country’s best newspapers. The WaPo is no longer in that category, and hasn’t been for at least a decade, IMHO.
I posted this on another thread - any observations?
Cooper’s Credibility in Question
http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/index.php?p=179
“Should Matt Cooper’s credibility be put in serious question during the trial, however, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney might yet beat the rap.”
Personally, sounds like an exaggeration, but IANAL.
lhp,
don’t know about YKos liveblogging, but here’s a link for 3 days of live streaming via Air America for just $10
http://www.airamericaradio.com/yearly-kos/
See brain outrace fingers:
“Because other testimony and evidence raises doubts” (graf 1, bq 2)
“The facts are what they are %u2014 and making excuses for one lawbreaker after having going over the top in so many other cases only shows you for the shills you are.” (last sentence, next-to-last graf)
Aryan Coulter is gonna be real mad now– family members of 9/11 victims will be testifying today…
heh.
“And so it was that the first cracks in the vast wall of power widened ever so slightly. Nearly imperceptable at first, they slowly gained momentum — the momentum of a hundred billion pent up frustrations. And the builders of the wall looked on in silence at first, seeing but not understanding. As confusion turned to realization, they scrambled to make repairs. Only then did they discover it was far too late. For a change was coming…”
punaise,27:”avoiding the acronym in this context, but I am not a lawyer: does motive even matter? A lie is a lie is a lie.”
I would think it would make a big difference to the jury if it can be shown that Libby had a motivation to lie.
cbl @ 11:12 am (#25) - just so there’s not a scintilla of doubt as to their agenda
Who are “they”?
Just thought it might be interesting to reflect back on Fitz’s words at the October presser regarding motive:
I tend to agree with punaise (also as a layperson) that motive (or at least, proving motive) is not all-important. I mean, it’s not like this is a murder trial where the killer doesn’t know the victim, doesn’t have any connection to him, and there doesn’t seem to be any reason why. This is a situation where we can all guess and presume what the motive was. Just because it can’t be proven doesn’t mean it’s not already in everyone’s heads. It will be in the jury’s heads, I’m sure.
Here is the Fitzgerald filing the WSJ is refering to;
Libby or the other government offical testified that Libby transmitted, through another government official, a copy of portions of the NIE to the WSJ.
The WSJ doesn’t deny that they recieved “a copy of portions of the NIE”.
The WSJ states that Libby was not their source. Fitzgerald never made that claim.
The WSJ never denies the allegation they refer to about Libby playing a role, but they imply that Libby didn’t play a role by conflating these statements.
For a shill publication, whose sole purpose is the consolidation of wealth in the fewest hands possible, ANYTHING that threatens the job that the administration has done toward that end [Dubya, Darth and crew have accomplished in less than 5 years what took Reagan 8 to do!], threatens its sole purpose. Accuracy, candor, facts, and fairness have no use for shills who ‘religiously’ embrace ‘exceptionalism’ in the pursuit and maintenance of Advantage. Core mission overrides cover story for both the administration and its shills. WSJ bleating about Fitz is like the cries of idiots, ’sound and fury, signifying nothing.’
Christy.
Wonderful post as usual. Don’t know what we’d do without you guys.
A question, please, relative to Fitz’s’s irving & rover projects:
I heard a short bit yesterday about a settlement of sorts in the Wen Ho Lee suit, with news orgs settling with Lee out of court rather than divulge sources (?).
It was mentioned also that the Supremes earlier wouldn’t take up a related Lee-case issue.
Would any aspect of the Lee court situation outcome hold possible hints for what is apt to happen in Plamegate?
Yeah, all those poor reporters who valiantly tried to report all the terrible non-crimes that were committed by the Clintons in the years before Bill was in the White House. They were sooooo demonized. It was brave of the WSJ to keep that flame alive, to inspire them to keep Whitewater alive long enough for Bill to get caught in a fib about a totally collateral, personal indiscretion.
Just as it is important now for the WSJ to pretend that lying under oath about the very thing being investigated — something that compromised a CIA agent and a CIA operation in a matter of vital national security — was just part of a political dispute that is of no moment. Because maybe the whole thing will just go away.
I have to read the WSJ every day because of its coverage of deals and litigations my firm is involved in. Despite its generally good news coverage, it galls me to have to pay for that privilege.
Cujo 41
I think “they” are the VRWC - Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. The WSJ is one of their many propaganda tools.
shall we extrapolate here?
the WSJ is deeply disturbed that bush is being emasculated in the only way that matters to them, war profiteering. they are making this clear in the last ways that they have left to them.
what happens if the people elect reformers in this country?
WSJ loses, their clientele loses. Why? because basic human rights, civil rights, health care rights, education rights and other mundane things will be important again. This disturbs most of the powerful politicos and others that work with them in profound ways. It indicates that their 15 minutes of fame may just be waning and they will look for other jobs. But in their rear view mirrors they know their sucessors will be looking to try them for crimes, and they may lose their pensions and actually have to do jail time for what they have done. they don’t like this potential outcome.
democrats and republicans alike are nervous that they have skeletons about to be exhumed. and so we come to the precipice;
will they help the election be a real one, and not a set piece like the last two? or will they whine and do nothing as the fascist manifesto prevails?
human nature would indicate the mostly sociopathic group will do the latter. Since most of them have done things they justify as being within the law, but a law they passed to relieve themselves of having to follow the law of the land.
hope to be wrong
b.grueskin@wsj.com - Managing editor
dave.pettit@wsj.com “”
t.cullen@wsj.com - Asst Mg editor
j.fry@wsj.com - “”
Punaise,
Picky, picky… ass backwards… or forward.
I think the real point here is.. any which way they succumb is regarded the same as their mission style accomplished moment
Is the WSJ actually saying that Libby was “responding to the substance” of Wilson’s report when he revealed that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA? Have they documented how Wilson’s report is “manifestly” false? Has anyone ever said why Wilson’s wife recommending him for the mission has anything at all to do with the accuracy of his findings? The WSJ’s arguments are bizarre on whole other levels beyond the legal asepcts.
For those of us who will not be there, is there going to be live blogging or post blogging on this weekend’s festivities?
I will attempt to live-blog the Plame session (and will accept bribes from panelists to avoid snarky remarks about their clothing). :)
Lautenberg ripping into the rethugs on the Senate floor:
This will be the first time we wrote discrimination into the Constitution. The only other time we restricted rights was Prohibition and that ended quickly. The preznit rallied his right wing base the other nite against the courts.
This threatens civil unions and domestic partnerships, too. The motive for this amendment is not morality, it is pure, raw politics. They have their backs to the wall. This is a salvage operation for the republican party. This is political gay bashing. This is a shameful attempt to divide the american people. This is the anniversary of D-day; today we are working to undermine the memory of those.
punaise at 26
Yeah, motive will matter if the defense is innocent mistake.
Not every mistatement to the government is a crime. If you do you taxes and transpose a number by accident, it’s not a crime, it’s a clerical error.
If you do it on purpose to avoid paying your fair share, it’s a crime
Motive? Motive? Don’t need no stickin’ motive when you are following orders.
But if motive is a thing of interest, might want to consider what the WSJ motive was. Team Libby is coming to the end of their high-flying discovery adventure. [Soars like the Hindenburg.] And Babs, et al, probably know very well what hand Fitz is holding. What they don’t know - and what the admin is getting very anxious about - is how that hand is going to be played by Fitz-GJ.
The only motive I can think of for the WSJ is to pressure that hand to be played sooner (now that the discovery gambit is pooping out) rather than later (say near the mid-terms).
taking Joe Wilson’s side in what was essentially a political fight
Talk about being divorced from reality! Taking Joe Wilson’s side? He has nothing to do with this, it’s between the CIA and whoever blew Plame’s cover. A “political fight”? Is that supposed to be a blank check to cover what this moron (whoever it is) can’t argue?
It seems that the smart people on the right have already gone into hiding and this is all we’re left with, sadly.
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See, Wilson’s wife sent him on a junket, see? A junket!
Then, Wilson tried to help Kerry (friend of Jane Fonda) run for president, see? That discredits Wilson. Wilson is, hereafter known as “Wilson the Discredited Friend Of Jane Fonda”.
Seems to me that motive is a pretty important part of the charge. Libby had to do what he did INTENTIONALLY in order to be subject to prosecution. His argument is “Look- I was a busy man- I just forgot- give me a break”. Fitzy must show that his lack of candor was intentional and done to protect himself or others.
This should not be difficult. That the WSJ pretends to believe the “I forgot” defense should disqualify them from ever again having an ounce of credibility in the land of the living.
Feingold on CSPAN-2!
The amendment is not about protecting marriage. Those of us who oppose this support freedom, the freedom to choose your lifestyle.
What matters right here is politics and elections.
Too bad, America.
yay Lautenberg!
Now Feingold up!
Petro at 34
Judge Walton’s decision said that the earlier drafts of Cooper’s article had to be turned over in discovery because htey were “arguably” impeachemt evidence, since there were changes from draft to draft.
His description made it sound like he was just cutting off another avenue for Libb’s appeal, not that there was any kind of Cooper smoking gun.
it did not make the ahirs on the back of my neck stand up. I have no worries there, but they are trying to make Cooper feel the need to buy a case of Maalox
I just want to be on the record with you here on the enormous “FUCK YOU” that I still feel ringing in my head after reading those unbelievable two paragrpahs. I can not wait, when I get charged with lying to a grand jury and obstruction of justice, until the Wall Street Journal climbs aboard my legal teams’ bus and defends my criminal lies in their widely-read pages, saying, “But where’s the motive?”
Really beyond belief that they would so blatantly lie.
Libby was questioned during the Justice Department investigation into the outing of a CIA officers identity. An investigation that was requested by the CIA and okayed by then Attorney General John Ashcroft. People questioned during such investigations aren’t necessarily under suspicion, just like people questioned during a murder or a robbery investigation aren’t necessarily under suspicion. But when they start lying to investigators, they get increased scrutiny, and deservedly so, since lying to investigators is, of course, in and of itself a crime.
Libby was questioned by FBI agents. He lied to them.
Libby was then questioned by Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald, who took over the case after Ashcroft recused himself. Libby lied to him. Under oath.
Those are crimes. There is nothing missing in regards to “motive,” there is simply the fact that Libby lied. If we never found out why he lied, he would still have lied. And that is a crime.
I know you’ve said this, Jane and Christy, but I wanted to say it too, partly to myself. Thanks for staying on this story and countering these huge-voiced lies with the simple thruth. God almighty, what liars.
Aussie’s come forward with their version of the family values debate:
There’s a lot of families and services that are going on and the last thing you want is someone conducting a spiritual service and a cemetery reflection time for family and a brothel going on next door,” he told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio on Tuesday.
“It’s totally inappropriate. There’s a place for brothels and a place for cemeteries and we don’t believe the two mix.”
I don’t know if this has been mentioned before, and if it has my apologies, but C-Span will be covering the YearlyKos convention Friday and Saturday.
Here’s the diary details, and comments:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/6/134450/2070
WOOHOO! I get to ‘be there’!
cujo359 @ 41 - I was speaking of WSJ’s diarreheaists at their Political Diary
and I asked this question yesterday - why would Wall Street support this cabal ? is there anyone left with some interest in the long term ? - hell, my 401k would settle for mid-term at this point !
Down now down 82. WSJ ed board needs a fun distraction today, I surmise.
Russ: We should not play politics with the lives of gays and lesbians — they should not be used as pawns in a political exercise. They are our friends and family members.
He stated he supports gay marriage.
And wouldn’t it be hilarious if today’s WSJ editorial made it into one of Fitz’s filings too?
We know the man loves press clippings. You have to think this one is sitting on his desk now covered in Post-Its. Or maybe he just wrote WANKERS across the whole thing with a Sharpie.
And I need typing lessons. “DOW now down 82.”
Make that 101.
Keep up the great work, but I am beginning to wonder if the WSJ and other news sources do this JUST to inflame readers, and therefore, increase their influence by having all the comments and activity. Just so exceedingly disgusted with LIES (oops…misinformation!).
Nice job, Christy.
pollyusa — thanks for highlighting that particular part of the disingenuous WSJ article. Well done.
The question is: why are they doing this and at whose bidding? What do they hope to achieve? Surely no one expects the government to pull the rug out from the Fitz investigation. And how does trying to trivialize the investigation or undermine Fitz’ credibility help the WH at this point? If there had been no indictments so far, I might have a notion, but given the indictments, and all the discovery that has filled in a lot more of the overall story, I don’t see a useful pro Libby or pro WH strategy here. Fitz is not going to back off the investigation nor can he unindict Libby. Indeed, public pressure from the WSJ, if that’s what we can call this, might serve to expedite further indictments by Fitz, if Fitz were suscetible to such pressure (unlikely). Would that help Libby? The WH?
DOW down 96–blood keeps flowing. Where’s Clusterfuck?
orangejumpsuit 40
I would think it would make a big difference to the jury if it can be shown that Libby had a motivation to lie.
looseheadprop 54
Yeah, motive will matter if the defense is innocent mistake.
thanks - further validation for leaving the lawyerin’ to the experts!
In New Mexico.
Thanks lhp at 11:39, that really helps.
GW Clusterfuck- the president from HELL- is in New Mexico observing how border control agents are trained and educating them with a dose of his profundity. Poor Bastards!
cbl @ 11:45 am (#64) - I think there are very few on Wall Street who take a long-term view these days. Stock prices rise and fall based on quarterly performance thanks to day traders and money market funds, among other factors. As a result, it’s nearly as hard to find CEOs these days who take a long term view of their companies’ growth.
Any lucky duckies who ARE going to YKos, give me a shout TODAY if you want to get together for a beer (or sparkling water)sometime Wednesday or Thursday. opera99 att rochester dott rr dott com.
rwcole 63,
I think more brothels are needed in this country. There, apparently, isn’t any place anywhere for brothels in the US, whether they be located next to a cemetary or otherwise.
Is that Howard talking? I do see your point. The righties down under (as they do all over the globe) begin by chipping away at the morally valuable brothels.
lhp,
along the lines of your comments at 54
if you’re so inclined, take a peek here - my gut’s saying possible acquittal. not tecnically, but I’m seeing how a jury may be sympathetic to this character and give hm the benefit of the doubt
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000825.php
Terre 64
Thanks so much for the heads-up! I was hoping against hope that C-Span would get into the YKos business.
I bet a lot of us will be there “in spirit” cheering on the panels.
Wahoo!
scarcrow
I wondered that myself when I saw it this AM.
Could this be part of the “scoop” by Jason Leapold? Tweety talking about a Rove decision in the near term? etc?
Are they dumb enough to think that will pressure him to move one nanosecond before he is ready?
Maybe he is feeling a little pressure. the other day there was an annoymous quote from some friend of his saying “one hot day” when we least expect it… .
Maybe they think if they make a big enough noise, bang pots and pans and blow noisemakers and airhorns, they can spook him into pulling the trigger sooner rather than later.
FOOLS
It is not just writers like Prestowitz who are sounding alarms. Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of GE, reflects on the growing competence and cost advantage of countries like China and even Mexico and says, “It’s unclear how many manufacturers will choose to keep their businesses in the United States.” Intel’s Andy Grove is more blunt. “America … [is going] down the tubes,” he says, “and the worst part is nobody knows it. They’re all in denial, patting themselves on the back, as the Titanic heads for the iceberg full speed ahead.”
Much of the concern centers on the erosion of science and technology in the U.S., particularly in education. Eight months ago, the national academies of sciences, engineering and medicine came together to put out a report that argued that the “scientific and technical building blocks of our economic leadership are eroding at a time when many nations are gathering strength.” President Bush has also jumped onto the competitiveness issue and recently proposed increases in funding certain science programs. (He has not, however, reversed a steady decline in funding for biomedical sciences.) Some speak of these new challenges with an air of fatalism. The national academies’ report points out that China and India combined graduate 950,000 engineers every year, compared with 70,000 in America; that for the cost of one chemist or engineer in the U.S. a company could hire five chemists in China or 11 engineers in India; that of the 120 $1 billion-plus chemical plants being built around the world one is in the United States and 50 are in China.
Newsweek
Seems that the WSJ might better spend it’s time looking at the incredible decline in infrastructure we have seen in the USA since the heavy investment of the fifties. Our physical infrastructure is deteriorating. Investing in plants, equipment, adequate roads and railroads, bridges, dams, etc, are all now seen to be a sucker bet. The investment in higher education we saw during the sixties- 2% student loan programs with principle forgiven for those who chose to teach our children- all these things have gone the way of the sabre tooth tiger. We are a complacent, fat nation, mouthing fire while the hungry nations of the world eat our lunch. Our symbol- our very personification- is GW Clusterfuck- the president from hell- who thinks things will be fine if we just keep borrowing more.
O brothel, where art thou?
The reason motive plays a role is that the defense argument is, in part, that he had no motive to lie, so how could what he told the FBI or the grand jury be lies?
But, the defense contends - he may have forgotten or misremembered the chain of events (so busy, you know, and really this was a detail he just couldn’t be bothered with), and told inconsistent stories as a result, but the defense - again - is that these misrememberances are benign because he had no motive to lie.
The key is Valerie Plame. If the smear had been carried out entirely against Joe Wilson, and without one whisper about Wilson’s wife from anyone associated with this, we would not be dissecting this because there would be no case. Smearing is part and parcel of inside-the-Beltway politics; it would have been no skin off anyone’s nose for Wilson to have been stripped naked and flogged on the Capitol steps.
This is, in the end, about a man (or several men, if you - like me - are hoping for more indictments) who carried out the directives of his boss, and in so doing, may have violated the IIPA, which carries serious penalties. For Irving to tell the truth put him smack in the sights of IIPA violation, and that’s what he was trying to avoid by lying to investigators and the grand jury.
This was never about getting out the truth of the president’s assertions, or the untruths of Wilson’s op-ed. They were screwed on that one, because the president and others in his administration had already repudiated the 16 words. They thought they could emasculate Wilson by making it look like his wife threw him a bone and had him sent on a “junket,” and they thought they could get away with using his wife to do it.
A lie is a lie is a lie, but some lies carrry more consequence than others, and Irving was trying to avoid some major consequences.
I haven’t read these yet, and don’t expect they’ll soothe us any, BUT Raw Story has:
“FBI releases small part of Vice President’s FBI records, withholds 89 percent of files”
and
“The Cheney file: Prominent Watergate figure John Ehrlichman made request for FBI review in 1969…”
http://www.rawstory.com
Feingold did a great job of deconstructing the proposition that this amendment was necessary to get beyond “activist judges” . He said, citing various supporters of the amendment, that they weren’t sure what the effect would be on civil unions, and on benefits allowed couples in some states as though they were married. He said, that in the end, these questions would be decided in the courts.
Further irony seems unnecessary at this point.
“Why DFA Believes in Ned Lamont”
Interesting post at Kos about DLC turning like an angry dog on the DFA. It’s worth a peek I thought.
Plano- actually I just thought it was funny that we are spending our time arguing about whether gays should be able to sign a relatively benign contract between one another and in the rest of the world the issue is not “should there be brothels?”- but how close should they be allowed to a cemetary. Cracked me up.
I guess the WSJ has forgotten that the case hasn’t been tried yet. Just because Fitz has not cleary specified a motive to their satisfaction in the limited filings that have been released to the public, doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a strong case. Apparently, they are unable to read between the lines what every one else has been able to pick up. Maybe they need a new pair of bifocals.
The question is: why are they doing this and at whose bidding?
My guess is that they are trying to create enough noise and doubt about the case to make a pardon possible prior to Cheney taking the stand. If they can convince some portion of the population that the charges are weak and politically motivated, they have a defensible rationale to stop this sooner rather than later. The republicans don’t want this thing owning the headlines around election time this fall or in 2008.
lhp @11:04 sez-
You know as I read each of them, I thought “of course”, It’s just the brain freeze from idolizing her too much
Once, when my dad worked at the LA Times, I went to a Dodgers’ playoff game with him. We were way up behind left field, the foul pole perfectly placed in our field of vision, and I was seated next to Paul Conrad, whom I idolized.
Well, in addition to being talented and famous, he is also over 6′ tall, an imposing presence. I was, at first, tongue tied and red-faced, trying to think of something suave to say. AFter our first beers, he said something, I don’t even remember what, that was so silly I laughed out loud at the realization that he was a also a real live person in addition to being a Pulitzer winning cartoonist. From then on, it wasn’t so bad.
The answer, by the way, is 660 yards. Brothels are OK as long as they are 660 yards away from the closest cemetary.
CBL at 79
In all honesty, I have not really been following the Safavian case that closely. It seems like such a slam dunk to me. I was shocked he went to trial.
I saw him once giving comments to the press, he does not have charm, charisma, whetever it is you need to win sympathy.
He just seemed smarmy and cunning.
From what little I know of the case, his testimony was a hail mary pass. I really don’t know why he didn’t plead out.
Terre at 64: C-Span will be covering the YearlyKos convention Friday and Saturday.
Thanks for that info Terre!
Word to the wise: that means we who can’t be in attendance are going to be watching to vote on who is the most sartorially impaired *g*!
xyz- best speculative explanation so far in my opinion. Kudos. They know or expect that the pardons will be rolling out within a year or two- and Herr Rove is likely to be indicted on similar charges. This is “vaccine”.
Okay, I’ll admit it. With such a dizzying array of names and dates and conflicting recollections of coversation has me so thoroughly confused. But fundamentally, I’m bright enough that my mother calls me sun. I see a tactic of obfuscation to deceive, not the judge, but the steno courtiers and thereby, the public at large.
However, the fundamental issue is that a serious breach of nationally security has occured subsequent to a terrorist attack on America by those in the highest levels in the halls of power. Lies were told and a CIA operative was exposed just to protect the administrations lies on their relentless march to punk a boogeyman prior to their re-election.
It’s easy for someone like me, with great demands on my time, to get lost in the fog of this issue. But the hideous nature of the overarching goals should not be displaced by confusion. An illegal war created through lies and trashing of the character of Joe Wilson by treasonous exposure of his CIA operative wife.
xyz - very insightful comment. I am the “other” xyz and have been posting here for a couple of months now. I think you might have been posting here first. Starting with my next post, I will start going by “wxyz” so we are distinguishable.
“It’s totally inappropriate. There’s a place for brothels and a place for cemeteries and we don’t believe the two mix.”
Um, is he saying that the brothel is conducting its business in the cemet