Glenn Greenwald's background as a First Amendment attorney has enabled him to do more than almost anyone to follow the subversive efforts of the Bush Administration to twist and contort the law as it spies on the nation's citizens. As he asserts within the title of his new book -- How Would a Patriot Act? Defending American Values From a President Run Amok -- his critique comes from the perspective of a patriot, not a partisan. Even as he exposes the deep criminality of the intent and the mafia-like discipline of partisan enablers like Alberto Gonzales and Pat Roberts, he does not shy away from criticizing Democrats like Jane Harmon who, in her position on the House Intelligence Committee, has attempted to legalize the President's wanton disregard for the rule of law rather than call him to account. It may be a GOP-led effort, but they did not pull it off without an awful lot of help.
In reviewing the book, Lex Alexander at the Greensboro News-Record has this to say:
Greenwald has aimed his book at all Americans, not just liberals or conservatives, for he believes the overarching constitutional issues raised by many of the president’s actions are not partisan but, rather, go to the heart of what it means to be an American. In light of the big picture this book so clearly describes and so strongly documents, it stands out among the many recent books attacking the Bush presidency and deserves the widest possible audience.
Glenn begins his tale as a personal journey, told from the perspective of a not-overtly-political individual who felt there were enough checks and balances in the system to keep the government from doing much harm. I think it was the way many felt during the Clinton years; things may not be going swimmingly but the economy was healthy and the adults were in charge. We often felt we had the luxury of worrying about other things.
That luxury no longer exists. George Bush now regularly asserts his right to ignore any law he choses, and as Christy mentioned this morning, Dick Cheney and David Addington have busied themselves recently with going through legislation to find other laws to ignore via signing statements. We have an administration that has set up a limitless network to spy on terrorists, who openly count anyone that doesn't agree with them as "terrorists" and "traitors." Who have thrown out the writ of Habeus Corpus and hold people indefinitely without charging them, who proudly assert their right to torture, all in their pursuit of a "war on terror." Glenn's book rightly asks -- given the situation in which we all find ourselves at the moment, what would a patriot do?
One of the problems with following a complex situation like this over time is that details get dropped from memory, or never find their way into appropriate context. Glenn does an incredible job of corralling them all together into a tight, burning narrative that makes you want to go knock on your neighbor's door, sit down over coffee and explain the whole thing to them.
Glenn begins in the 50's when Harry Truman created the NSA, but the story starts to pick up speed in the 60s when the government began listening in on the telephone conversations of people like Martin Luther King, Jr., Jimmy Hoffa and Jerry Rubin -- and according to Time Magazine, US Senators in both parties felt their phone conversations were subject to bugging. After Richard Nixon turned wiretapping into an art form, it lead to the formation of the Church Committee which issued its report in 1976.
Says Glenn:
Even back in 1975, when the NSA's surveillance capabilities were primitive compared to today, Sen. Church was stunned by what he learned regarding the breadth and scope of the NSA's powers. As The New York Times recently recounted: "'That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people,' [Church] said in 1975, 'and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide.' He added that if a dictator ever took over, the NSA 'could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.'" (p. 16 -- my emphasis)
But as Glenn points out, at the time these activities were not strictly illegal. Public concern on this front, generated by both liberals and conservatives, lead to the passage of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, signed into law by Jimy Carter, which provided judicial oversight to wiretapping activities in order to limit abuses (and as Glenn notes, such abuses were not the domain of either party -- Nixon merely picked up where Johnson left off).
It's no surprise that the Bush Administration has taken a wrecking ball to the FISA courts. As Glenn notes:
Prior to the December, 2005 disclosure that President Bush violated the law, nobody had ever suggested that the FISA framework impeded necessary eavesdropping. If anything, the FISA court has long been criticized by liberals, conservatives, libertarians and everyone in between for being too permissive, for allowing the government whatever eavesdropping powers it requested. Indeed, its reputation for granting every eavesdropping request made by the government is so widespread that it has long been ridiculed as the "Rubber-Stamp court."
Relevant statistics more than support those criticisms. According to statistics compiled by the Federation of American Scientists, from 19178 until 2001 -- the year President Bush ordered eavesdropping outside of the law -- the government submitted a total of 13,102 requests to the FISA court to eavesdrop on Americans. The FISA court approved every single request and only modified the requested warrant on a grand total of two occasions.
Nevertheless, the FISA court still performed an extremely important function -- it ensured that Presidents were not eavesdropping in secret on Americans, but instead, always with the knowledge of at least one federal judge on the FISA court. And when a President knows that any eavesdropping he orders will be known to a FISA judge, the opportunity for abuse is, for obvious reasons, greatl diminished, if not entirely eliminated. That is how and why the severe eavesdropping abuses of the 1960s and 1970s essentially disappeared once FISA was enacted. Presidents were still able to engage in legitimate eavesdropping as aggressively and potently as ever before, but their potential to abuse this power was greatly diminished by oversight.
FISA worked exceptionally well under multiple administrations of each party. It worked all the way until October 2001, when President Bush quietly decided to order the NSA to eavesdrop on Americans in violation of FISA. (p. 25-26, my emphasis)
Those four paragraphs say more to me about the way the Bush Administration operates than almost anything I've read. Generations of wisdom and careful legislation, enacted on a bipartisan level to assure appropriate checks in the system and observed by Presidents of both parties, swept away by a ruthless tyrant with respect for nothing and whose arrogance is only outstripped by his insatiable appetite for absolute power.
One of the things that makes this book so remarkable is its timeliness; it was written in a mere 6 weeks and quickly published in order to be available for people trying to wrestle with the complexities of this imminent crisis. Give it to your friends, your family, your co-workers, buy a copy for your local library, write your local newspaper and demand it be reviewed (despite its remarkable climb to #1 on Amazon on the first day of its pre-sales, relatively few major media outlets have reviewed it -- you can be sure that no such fate will befall Ann Coulter's next magnum opus.)
It's an extremely important book sure to awaken the true patriotic impulses of every American still capable of feeling them, and Lex Alexander is right in saying that it deserves "the widest possible audience." It most certainly does.
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Among other things, a patriot would weep at what is being done in the name of preserving our freedoms from outside attack.
It’s becoming more and more apparent to anyone paying attention that we have a gaggle of fascists in the White House.
This is not a metaphore- or a simile. I don’t mean that we have people who ACT a little like fascists, or who Smell a little like fascists. No- I mean we have fascists- real live fascists- running this country- and it’s only when you realize that that you can make any sense at all out of what’s going on.
Fitz, Feingold & Greenwald…three true American patriots. We can only hope that one day the history books will recount that they were victorious against the forces of tyranny.
rwcole 3 — one of the startling things about the book is seeing the utter lawlessness of the aministration all laid out like that in one very quick read. It presents a rather irrefutable case (as Glenn always does) which goes to the heart of what you’re talking about — there is nothing Democratic about what is happening.
Greenwald’s book is important for many reasons, not the least of which is how accessible it is. It is short, inexpensive, concise, well written, direct to the point, put issues into their historical context, and avoids language that is esoteric. The average person can read and digest in just a few hours.
But more than anything else, Greenwald has hit the nail on the head when he points to basically uncontested consolidation of power in the executive branch — and the president’s belief that he is above the law.
I’ve just gone back and purchased 10 copies and will be giving them to people I think will read it.
I was kind of hoping Glenn would drop by for this discussion.
Jane- I firmly believe that american democracy is in a fight for it’s life in this country. There is nothing on the agenda that is more important- not the war- not traditional politics- nothing. We have no idea how far these fascists are willing to go to retain control of the finanicial and military resources of the United States- but from what we know already- they don’t seem to have much restraint.
Jane — it this doesn’t fit, just delete. It’s long, but I think goes to the questions Glen raises.
We still do not know what, if anything, can bring this Administration down, short of the end of its term in January 2009. Like others, I once thought that Bush would, sooner or later, go the way of Nixon, and all the parallels to how that happened seemed to be falling into place. Surely the country could see the comparison, see the dangers to our governing institutions, and even see the danger to our national and domestic security from having an Administration conduct the country’s affairs in so shameless, unlawful and incompetent a manner. But even the cynics among us never fathomed the depth of the Congress’ complicity, and I at least naively assumed that even Bush’s crowd might possess some honor and would eventually see the need to step down for the good of the country. Alas, they have none.
What to do? There is a unifying theme that runs through Glen’s posts, as well as many of Jane’s and Christy’s posts, and has been eloquently emphasized by Pachacutec and other guests here. There is a shared diagnosis of the underlying problem:
Putting aside the lack of leadership and the complicity of both parties, all important, the country’s government is in a near death grip of a group of people whose philosophical approach to governance and international relations is fundamentally inimical to human values (and not healthy for the planet, either). There is a contempt of human life, particular the lives of the less favored (and almost darker skinned, and non-Anglo), who are persistently referred to as “them,” “aliens,” “foreigners,” “terrorists,” “insurgents,” and so on. Even when dealing with “Americans,” this group shows clear preferences for corporate intestests over common intestests, for the needs of capital over the safety and health of workers, for benefits and tax breaks for the richest over the needs of the middle class. And there is a willingness to drive wedges between those still tenuously in the middle class and those still aspiring to get there, and a willingness to manipulate religious prejudices to stay in power. There is a persistent disdain for any decent understanding of the common, public interest and an willingness to use the powers of government to pursue the public interest against the demands of the powerful. There is a cynical disregard for the foundations of democracy — free speech; an free, independent, and vigorous press; the right of every citizen to have his/her vote counted; and stong opposition to an open government whose deliberations and information are made transparent and accountable so that citizens can intelligently participate in their own self governance. And there is no respect for the Constitutional principles, about which Glen has been so eloquent, that hold the country together and keep it from sliding into tyranny.
Internationally, this group has a belief in the inherent right of the United States to impose its will on all other lands and peoples to secure its economic interests. To this end, there is no human in any foreign land whose life cannot be sacrifed in pursuit of those ends. There are no exceptions for “civilians,” whether men, women, the elderly, or children.
Words fail. It is simply an immoral, appalling philosophy, and it deserves to be opposed and derided by every human it seeks to victimize.
It seems to me that part of our job as patriots is to keep pointing out how evil this philosophy is, to point accusing fingers at its witting proponents and its unwitting shills and apologists, and through exposure, derision and shame, do all that we can to discredit the leaders of this administration, the neocon “thinkers” that defend them, and the corporate media flacks that unthinkingly spout their nonsense. We must make supporting this Administration and its policies morally and politically untenable, and then hold the media and all political leaders of both parties accountable for how they respond.
And that is exactly what I think Glen, Jane, Christy and many others in the progressive blogs have been doing. You are the patriots.
rwcole says:
May 28th, 2006 at 2:05 pm
Should we differentiate between fascists and authoritarians? Since I haven’t read How Would a Patriot Act?, I don’t know whether Glenn Greenwald has differentiated in his book between fascists and authoritarians.
The best solution to a pile of manure is sunlight.
Thankfully, the government still has a certain number of employees who believe in the rule of law, several of whom enabled certain reporters to win Pulitzer prizes this year.
Abu G. and Gitmo torture became public because insiders had had it with the “nothing to see here . . . move along” attitude from those at the top.
The NSA eavesdropping became public because insiders had had it with the “we always get warrants” nonsense from on high.
The CIA secret prisons became known because someone got fed up with the hypocricy of the US speaking out on human rights failings elsewhere while doing the same when it suited our purposes.
The Cheneys, Addingtons, and others can only do their work in the shadows. (Energy Task Force, anyone?) The more light that is directed their way, the harder it is for them to get away with what they are doing.
What would a patriot do? Blog! Publish! Write! Shine that light, and get a couple hundred friends to add their flashlights to yours.
I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
alive as you or me.
Says I, “But Joe, you’re ten years dead.”
“I never died,” says he.
“The copper bosses, they killed you Joe,
They shot you dead,” says I.
“It takes more than guns to kill a man,”
Says Joe, “I didn’t die.”
Says Joe, “I didn’t die.” . . .
I saw a great exchange on Glenn’s site that explained it all:
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R: Colbert’s attack shows lack of respect for office of President which is blah blah treason
Q: So what about the people who attacked Clinton so personally and visciously?
R: Clinton was a disgrace, the comparison makes no sense.
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Law supposes some logic, abstract thinking, and an idea of rules. Fascism is just bile and blood. The problem is not the fascists, who are always there, it is and has been the “well meaning people” who insist, against all evidence, that we can come to an accommodation with these people.
Glenn quotes Russ Feingold following the AUMF vote:
All I can say is…the checks have bounced, the balance is long overdue, and it’s well past the time that this loan is foreclosed.
scarecrow 7 — I think that’s absolutely on-topic. I was just thinking of Atrios’ post on Peter Bienert today, and the common thread amongst all those who have switched horses on the war always seems to be “yes but the Bush Haters….”
Now aside from the fact that they then go on to accuse those of us who have viewed everything the Bush Administration has done through an appropriately skeptical eye of engaging in a coarsening of the dialog that they themselves do when they invoke the term “Bush haters” to dismiss our (justified) criticisms in the first place, and then frequently go on to accuse us of somehow having been wrong to be right (a la John Dickerson), one has to wonder — what exactly do they think is the correct response to this lawlessness?
They’re usually so busy floundering in self-justification they stop a bit short of providing the answer. I myself am quite angry at this “slide into tyranny” that Glenn’s book so eloquently portrays. WTF am I supposed to think?
I have some sympathy for the Jane Harmon Democrats, just as I had some sympathy for the Gang of 14 Filibuster killers.
But the problem is, if we don’t fight now because the issues are too hot or too cold or too obscure or too obvious, when will we fight?
If Abraham Lincoln had fought the Civil War this way, the Confederate States of America would still have slavery.
I’ve asked my local library to get this on the list of “new books” for branches to order. I’d like to tie up my Senators and Congressman and read this to them.
Is it possible to turn this into an audio book and get it onto iTunes and Audible.com? We must get the word out.
Peterr 8 — The best solution to a pile of manure is sunlight.
I have to wonder what would have happened if this stuff had gone down 10 years go. The GOP machine was so successful at putting the Whitewater non-story out there for years and there was no pushback, nobody seemed conscious of the fact that it was quite plainly bunk. If there was no Glenn Greenwald, no blogosphere, where would this conversation be taking place? Risen, Lichtblau and others did a great job in bringing the story to light in the first place (albeit a year late, thanks Bill Keller). But the battle of the spin, the day-by-day debunking, the holding politicians in check has been done largely by Glenn and promulgated by those who link back to him.
I sincerely believe that Jane Harman would not be backpeddling, nor would her challenger Marcy Winograd be nipping at her heels, if her complicity in all of this hadn’t been dragged into the sunlight by people like Glenn. That’s just a function that the NYT, and certainly the WaPo, are not going to serve.
It would really be nice if TOR (The Onion Router) got some funding, so that we could better protect our digital papers and effects from warrantless seizure by the lawless administration:
Note that traffic analysis is the technology we’ve been told the NSA is using.
Here is a useful overview of who is using Tor and why. For example:
You can donate to Tor here. Contributions to Tor are tax deductible.
Note that any Beltway consultants who fail to advise their clients of this technology are (1) obviously lacking in due diligence and (2) are going to look awfully foolish when the blackmail stories start coming out…
Granted, this is a technical approach that can’t solve the larger political problem of restoring constitutional government to the United States; but in the meantime, we can at least protect ourselves and our privacy.
I’ve detailed some of my experiences with tor at Corrente.
How Would a Patriot Act?
The internet has put a crack in the cw. Glenn’s book serves to further widen it.
I say forward! and into the breech.
We cannot call ourselves Patriots if we do not do something now
It is up to us. No one else seems to care, but they will if they truly understand what is happening and what is at stake. Educating our neighbors is the most vitally important thing we can do for them. We are our brothers’ keeper.
I don’t know why my post was deleted. It was about the book. I don’t know why every post I make is “moderated” even though I’ve been occassionally posting for a few weeks. See http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-101132
To whomever is deleting and moderating… note: I expect you to delete this too but want you to know I’m not happy about not being able to participate.
Heirofpatriots — Our spam filters are frequently throwing things into moderation for reasons we don’t even know, but to the best of my knowledge none of your comments have ever been deleted.
I agree. It is a tempting response to personalize our hatreds, so I guess we should expect that some may actually “hate Bush.” But one doesn’t have to hate this man to despair over what his Administation has done to our military, to Iraq, to our Constitutional checks and balances, to our political rhetoric. Nor it is hating Bush as a human being to argue strongly that dismantling or undermining Social Security would be a tragedy, that sanctioning torture is unconcionable, and that ducking responsibility for creating a climate in which torture seems the order of the day is unacceptable. You are right to ask: “what do you [press] expect me so say in the face of these horrible policies?”
The more subtle point is about what language we use to express our outrage. There are, as far as I’m concerned, no epithets too strong from what we have seen this Administration do. But which ones we use to try to wake up the country is a different question. What I find interesting is how all of us have changed our speech — even as our anger has increased — in recognition that we need to reach a wider audience. It is as though all whom we needed to convince were sitting in their church, and we had to speak from their pulpit.
I have been been reading Greenwald’s posts since almost the beginning of his blog, I think. His commitment to the Constitution and Bill of Rights has been the main appeal to me, and I wish I could figure out how to put those documents’ names in 36 point or larger here and ask our “lawmakers” to bear them in mind as they collect their salaries and uphold their oaths.
Yearly KOS may be a perfect opportunity to get the message out to some of our elected leaders that “we the people” do not want our constitution trashed.
Ask them if they intend to stand by their oath of office and defend the constitution or do they intend to remain silent and let Bush and co. shred it. Don’t let them waffle. A lot of damage can be done between now and election day.
I’m reminded of the “Profiles in Courage” postings a while back. Murtha and Mora stood up and called it as they saw it. The JFK library took note, and gave them an even bigger platform to stand on.
That’s what I love about FDL, both those who write the posts and those who comment on them. It has become a place for reasonably coherent and focused debate/discussion, and provides a platform for action when a consensus of some kind coalesces. Think about how FDL took part in holding Joementum’s feet to the pro-choice fire for his oh-so-holy “it’s only a short walk to the next hospital” nonsense.
Jane @ 11 - Institutionally, the NYT and WashPo are fast discovering that they aren’t the only game in town any more. Their work is being challenged, checked, and held under a microscope unlike anything they’ve seen before, from both the left and right. Even in-house, things are awkward. Both Dan Froomkin and John Harris take the work of reporters who cover the White House and string together what they see. Froomkin creates his WH Briefing webcolumn, and Harris strings together the Post political coverage. Five times a week, Dan Froomkin’s editorial handiwork appears, and five times a week he puts John Harris’s skills to shame.
scarecrow @16 -
You mean we’re becoming “more sophisticated” in our language?
Damn! I was just ready to toss out a “dead or alive” cliche.
scarecrow 21 — I think “hot” rhetoric has been one of our most effective tools, and that’s why it comes under fire from those who accuse us of being “Bush Haters” (as if that’s not hot rhetoric right there). Somehow we are supposed to be measured in our tones while they’re tossing eliminationist fantasies around like live hand grenades whenever the subject of brown people comes up. Yes we’ve changed our tone. When we speak like a bunch of wonks they accuse us of being wonks and nobody listens.
I’d be delighted if we had the luxury of sitting here and civilly debating the fine points of the interstate commerce clause, but our opinions on the topic really don’t have much impact right now. I haven’t called for any violence or physical ill to befall George Bush, but you wouldn’t know it from those who want to write of all our criticisms as “unhinged” and the purview of “Bush haters.”
It’s where we are right now.
Haralambos — I agree, Glen’s posts are keepers, and our MA group has left a couple of them re NSA surveillance with our Senator on a recent visit. But Glen is doing more than that.
On several occasions he has critically examined what the Bush apologists are saying, and he has decimated their logic and moral framework. He is dismantling their moral legitimacy. Or in Jane’s terms, from posts last Winter, Glen has been systematically discrediting their “brand.” It’s effective, it’s relentless, and it’s necessary. And as the book’s popularity sends more readers to his site, it will become more effective.
Note also how well what he does complements the two very different styles of Christy and Jane. I’d go into rhetorical wars with these three on my side any day of the week.
Slightly OT: anyone following the Hastert/Jefferson story closely? I have made my best guess over at my site, and I would appriciate any feedback people can give me on my theories and opinions, but this is quite a complicated battle, and any help would be greatly appriciated.
I’m giving a copy to my father, a lifelong republican. I think he is ripe for it. Last time I was over to his house there was a copy of the Fedralist Papers next to his chair. Start the meme creep amonst his circle, like roots into the mortar of a wall
The book is so compact and cogent, I really think the decision of the etsbalishemnt is to try to ignore it in hopes it will not gain real traction.
Accordingly, I relly think we should campaign to get it reviewed in the establishment media outlets, or hold them all up to mockery.
Can someone generate a list of targets? Maybe I should ask RP people to write LTE’s to local papers about this once everyone gets back online next week.
As far as waking up the slumbering about the reality of this govt goes- I’m not sure it can be done. They will sleep on peacefully through the whole thing- until they are told that their participation in the anachronism of voting will no longer be required.
About the only possibility is to try to elect dems and give them a shot at it. They may be every bit as complacent as the goopers- but we have nothing to lose. If that doesn’t work- MOVE!
rwcole?
I ain’t movin. They will have to pry this country out of my cold, dead hands.
scarecrow:
The key here is diversity of tactics. What Glen does is great, but at the same time, the gound is prepared for a reception to Glenn’s kind of work by the strategically calculated, ad hominem mockery and rhetorical brutality we sometimes employ.
Pach 30 — I think that’s a great idea. If media outlets aren’t reviewing it we should be causing a stink.
Peterr 24 — I’m working up my opening comments for the Plame panel right now, and I’m going to be certain to offer my thanks to the NYT and WaPo for leaving a hole so wide in the story’s coverage you could drive a truck through. Without the dearth of coverage provided by the traditional media, we wouldn’t be nearly so popular.
This unitary president “concept” is bad. Really bad.
Katrina was incompetent, tax cuts were a total disregard of the needs of the needy (and the middle class), ditto or social security, the Iraq war rested on imperial hubris, but what Glenn exposes is what’s actually illegal.
I’m 54 and I’ve always been a democrat but, during democratic or republican administrations (even Nixon!), I always felt that we would muddle through the hard times. Now I feel as if I’m in a car and, in that slow-motion time-stopping way, I’m gonna crash.
It’s Glenn’s book that shines the light a shows us how to climb out of the wreckage.
The best, likely, outcome of 2006 is Dem House and tighter but still Rep Senate. Pelosi has said she will initiate early hearings dealing with admin. behavior. To paraphrase, how many divisions does the House have? Bush will invoke executive privilege, national security, house can’t have hearings because their security clearance isn’t high enough, etc.
In dealing with an executive branch that has utter contempt for the rule of law who or what
would compel any co-operation with House over-sight. I guess the current attempts to expose NSA actions will be the bell-weather. The administration has blocked congressional action, cut off follow the money, and is now trying to kill court action against the tele-coms due to national security concerns.
I don’t think, even with a House majority, the Dems have the guts to shut off the money. Where is the leverage?
Jane — I have long since learned to accept your judgment about when to use “hot” rhetoric and when not. Took a while, but I’m a little slow. I no longer care what the Bush apologists think about you/us and no longer seek a dialogue with them. Anyone who woulld shill for those policies would have no problems smearing you/us. Let them call us names; they’re beyond hope of persuasion. We only need to worry about when they [rarely] respond with a logical counter-argument. Having Glen there to help you dismantle those feeble attempts has been very gratifying.
It’s the potentially persuadable folks that interest me, and unless I’ve misinterpreted, you’ve started speaking more to them, n’est pas? And Christy’s style fits right in; it has universal appeal when she talks in plain language about just doing the right thing.
Those who won’t fight for their country when all that is required is a trip to the ballot box are pretty unlikely to pick up arms and endanger their lives against tanks and automatic weapons.
No- if this isn’t stopped in the next couple of election cycles- it won’t be stopped at all.
I think we have to accept that a sizeable majority of at least the “first-tier” MSM has simply lost sight of its role when it comes to what constitutes “the public discourse”.
They prefer to be spoonfed and inbred, and if they have any memory of life outside of the one in which they now live, it’s been self-suppressed quite well.
Likewise, while the blogs do what they can to counteract the worst excesses of the present situation, They still reach only a fraction of the public. We’re able to counteract memes to some extent, but we aren’t reaching out to enough people.
And that in turn means that we’re going to need to create our own non-internet media for those that don’t use the internet for that purpose.
The existing MSM won’t listen to us for the most part. They fear us more than anything else, and we can expect the pushback from our efforts to make them be stright with the public to increase as the war in Iraq gets worse, as Cheney pushes us further toward an attack on Iran, and as Fitzgerald shows just how much in bed much of the Beltway Media was in facilitating the scandal regarding Valarie Plame.
The content exists in the blogs, but we need to figure out how we can effectively create and fund such endeavors.
I think we may be on the verge of a new wave of publishing that can be as big, if done right, as the “city papers” growth of the 1970s-1990s. But in this case, it could be national.
My two bits…
Elizabeth Doughty 35 — I’m 54 and I’ve always been a democrat but, during democratic or republican administrations (even Nixon!), I always felt that we would muddle through the hard times. Now I feel as if I’m in a car and, in that slow-motion time-stopping way, I’m gonna crash.
I think it was the Gore movie that pushed me over the edge. I watched it and I thought two more years of this, can we make it? There’s so much that needs to be done right now, and not only is it not getting done, the people in power are actively persecuting anyone who wants to immplement desperately needed forward-looking policy.
It also gave me a bit of hope, though, that there was movement afoot to create some awareness of the monumental problems we face. I really urge everyone to see the movie, and talk about it with your friends. It’s critical that this consciousness take hold.
Steve- I think you’re on it. Dems best hope is for control of one house by a couple of seats- and they’ll have plenty of yellow dogs on board to weaken even that slender hold.
I believe that they are willing to conduct serious hearings- the question is how far they are willing to go if and when Clusterfuck fights back. Ulitimately- unless they are willing to cut off funds and/or impeach- they have no power at all. They’ll be kids runnin ta tell teacher that Johnney is pullin their hair again.
scarecrow on 27–thanks and to the FDL folks thanks. Perhaps OT but Christie’s bite yesterday focussing on “empathy and respect” resonates with me as a frame (hate this way of thinking of these issues), because I would add that I think the Constitution and Bill of Rights are the basic (legal) minimum and “empathy and respect” the emotions or reactions that made these principles possible.
Pach - agree. It takes a variety of skills to win a political struggle. What I worry about is what if we created a strong political movement from the roots up, but the mechanisms for picking the top generals were hopelessly flawed? The essense of your work is to help create a higly motivated, but also highly informed, cadre of activists. Would such a group follow another weak leader? Should it?
The complete failure of a so called “conservative” like Judge “strict constructionist” Bork has really angered me. FDL has really educated me about Republican welfare and Judge Bork is living on it with “Irving” Libby at the Hudson Institute. They wanted Bork to criticize the Harriet Meiers’ SC nomination and he did. They want him to remain silent as Bush destroys the “separation of powers” and he is.
scarecrow: Some insignificant miniblog is calling us out for “hate speech” for the “Rape GUrney Joe” appelation. They cited my post about the HRC, Lamont and Lieberman.
Since hate speech has a definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
Hate speech is a controversial term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a group of people based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, or disability. The term covers written as well as oral communication.
. . .and “Rape Gurney Joe” does not fit it, and since they are feeling enough of our pressure to whine about us (this was a GOP site defending one of their own, Rape GUrney Joe), I take immense satisfaction in the charge.
It’s the succinctness of the book that amazes me, and like Pach says: cogent and compact. It’s a lightening-flash of the whole inter-related picture of Constitutional abuses. The sheer readabilty of it makes the information thoroughly accessible and comprehensible.
Alas, there are those who just will not read. Among my friends/acquaintances, those who might be inclined to engage in a thought-provoking read are also pursuing careers, getting further degrees, or now raising families and simply really don’t have the time. On the other hand, those not inclined at all toward serious non-fiction reading will, nonethless, engage in social discussion, ie. shooting the shit.
Therefore, my suggestion is to re-read the book again and again until relating its key points, their flow, and most of all their inter-relatedness are easily speakable and adaptable to any social setting. And then do it, over and over, in every possible situation.
scarecrow: I’m not sure I understand the hypothetical scenario you’re getting at. I’d like to hear more, but also want to help keep this thread on topic. PLease send me an email at pachacutec01 at gmail dot com, when you have time, to help me understand what you are getting at in your 3:16.
Palamedes-I agree with you about the MSM. It’s pathetic the debate has about whether this has been illegal or not. There’s no wily interpretation the MSM has to make. All they have to do is tell the truth.
For god’s sake, reading your kid’s diary (actually IM’s) is wrong even if you think some of her friends are just about mini terrorists, but what Bush is doing is overwhelming scary.
Why are more people scared?
Steve @ 31 - The leverage isn’t so much about shutting off the money, but in the control of the cameras. Right now, the Unitary Presidency and his willing peons in the House and Senate are directing the movie they want to see played. That’s why they get so pissed at leaks - someone is spoiling their show.
Even if the Dems only control the House, that gives them the power to hold hearings, turn the cameras on, and point them whereever they want. If BushCo Industries wants to bar the doors of the White House and refuse to participate in the hearings, saying “no cameras allowed,” then they will forfeit the means of putting their message out. The Dems might not “shut off the money,” but simply by being able to hold hearings and talk about the money, they will be able to move the agenda much more than they can at present.
Jane @ 29 - You/We spend lots of time dissecting the reporters’ work, but the greatest sins in the journalistic world right now are being committed by Editors. The weight given to trivial matters (Brangelina, anyone?) and the virtual silence around the lack of oversight by Congress over intelligence matters and general Executive Branch activities is astounding.
Have at ‘em, Jane. I can’t be there, but I’m sure I’ll hear about it somehow. Probably not in the pages of the WashPo, though.
Hayden, the architect of the program is now promoted to hed the CIA, an obvious endorsement of the illegal warrantless domestic spying program. Will these “doormat Dems” ever say enough? Does a person exist, that is so heinous, besides Charles Manson, that could screw up bad enough they would not get festooned with medals and rewarded with promotions? Glenn’s right in that you expect ambitous people to increase power, but in a zero sum game, someone has to give up power. Congress has allowed it and Dems share some blame in all this.
Good afternoon all! I love these book threads. They’re the ones I read long into the wee hours of the morning. I just got my copy so I haven’t had a chance to read it. I just wanted to share a quick story about my brother. He’s 65, retired Army lifer….has lived in Germany for quite some time, but has close ties to home (South Bend, IN). I hadn’t talked to him in a while so I called him this morning. It’s usually a poltical rant with us but he’s always leaned more independent or Libertarian whereas I’m a radical Democrat. Anyway, he is incensed about Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Crony Cabal and what has inflamed him is the power grab. He even mentioned the Unitary Executive bit before I could even start in about it. It is beginnig to sink in in quarters I never expected it would. I just ordered him a copy of Glenn’s book and one for our Dem nominee for our congressional district. Thank you so much for writing it. We should all carry it…in our pockets and purses.
One of Glen’s recurrent themes is the importance of Constitutional principles of checks/balances and those in the Bill of Rights. But it’s not clear that even in the Nixonian period, the majority of Americans fully understood or appreciated how important these were. What I recall is that when the time came, a handful of very impressive people stood up and spoke clearly and eloquently — Archie Cox, Richardson, Barbara Jordan, Holtzman, Rodino, Sam Ervin — and they persuaded the Congress — and the country — that something as drastic as impeachment had to be done — even though there were still many Nixon apologists shilling for the President and trying to undermine the investigations and the Watergate hearings. The press was divided. Are there enough of these patriots today?
What would a patriot do? With great war whoops, a patriot would throw the f*cking tea in the harbor to serve them notice.
We’ve already been using our “hot rhetoric”, been reasonable, been silent. We’ve even tried to get our own to see it our way with little success, even with point men like Feingold (via a call for censure) and Gore (via his speech at Constitution Hall co-sponsored by ‘wingers). And voting them out? Hah!
Obviously we need to try a different tack.
It’s time to hit them in the pocket books. I suggest we abandon all paid corporate media as they are only mouthpieces of the corporatist-authoritarian junta, boycott them completely and use only indy media from here forward until such a time that the corporate media comes around or fails. If in 12 weeks they haven’t clued, we step up to targeted strikes — not a full-on general strike, but close.
We throw their tea with which they intended to make a profit into the briny deep. And we get their attention by the short hairs of their wallets well before the election in NOvember.
I’m reading my book now and I’d just like to add that not only should we carry it in our pockets and purses…….we should carry it in our hearts too.
Peterr–I believe it IS about shutting off the money. Steve’s on the mark. These guys are terrible at governing- they are very GOOD though, at power analysis. If they can get away with stiffing congress- they will do it without compunction- claim that they can’t testify at the hearings due to national security- or executive privelege- or some such- and force congress to force their hand.
If congress isn’t willing to do it WITH THE ONLY CONSTITUTIONAL TOOLS AT IT’S DISPOSAL- the power of the purse and the power to impeach- they’ll be laughed at.
Hi Jane–
I’ll go see the Gore movie when it gets down here to Annapolis, MD, in spite of my fear of feeling too sad and too helpless. I’m glad it is hopeful.
I know this is off-topic but I was reading NYT rural life columnist Verlyn Klinkenborg and he was writing about the weather diary of his upstate NY farm for the last 200 years. He said that he is devastated (his word) that now we have a responsibility and effect on the weather. I understand what he’s saying, even on a beautiful sunny day like today.
Re: scarecrow at 27, “relentless” and “necessary”: yes we need to keep hammering on it and to make the erosion of these guarantees (no longer guarantees if Glenn’s and others’ words and analyses are to be believed) a major campaign issue.
On the meme of “empathy and respect,” (again I hate this way–meme–of putting it), my country has sent thousands of young people off in wars that make no sense to them or us and this government has cut their benefits and refuses to even acknowledge thet they are dying.
We need some state funerals, at least to honor them, not to mention benefits and recognition of the damage we have done to others, thus the “empathy and respect” focus.
Rayne- I think that we’re well past the time for boycotts. That’s like defending yourself with a toothbrush.
We either win congress and convince em to fight fascists or we lose.
While waiting in the dentist’s office, I was reading HWAPA…the hygienist took the time to check out the text as I explained that Glenn Greenwald was a non-partisan attorney specializing First Amendment cases who felt our country was facing a Constitutional crisis. I think if I had had another copy on me, she would have borrowed it immediately.
It’s time to carry a backup copy, one with an explainer bookplate in the front that says it is a topic of discussion here in FDL, and to forward the copy to the next patriot upon completion. I know I’m ordering another one just for this purpose.
Pach — I meant a “weak” Presidential nominee in 2008.
hoosierville — good for you. One of the nice things about the book is that it is, as Pach says, so compact. It’s very cogent and persuasive and I am certainly going to be reading mine again and again. My CtG held up under a 2nd reading, I’m sure Glenn’s book will only get better too.
rwcole: Your last statement sums up the political end-game of the 2006 elections. I think the executive branch actions with regard to NSA spying are the pre-view for what is the future for the rule of law in this country. If the career people in DOJ, Military, and Judiciary don’t stand up to the political hacks, we are really screwed.
I think the next three years will be the most significant since 1857-1860. The problems are different but the psychology of the majority is the same.
Tangential to topic, or maybe not: about editors fwiw.
That’s where the twisting takes place, in most cases, whether intentional or sloppy. Used to be editors were writers who got promoted. Now that’s pretty much not the case, or so it seems. I wrote CD reviews for a while, mostly with no editorial interference. One review was not to the ed’s liking, and her re-write CHANGED THE WHOLE MEANING (sorry, gotta learn html), not just the language. I mean, she put forth an entirely different proposition, and not because I was unclear. It was never published because I refused to okay it.
So it’s the editors we have to call out. Early and often.
rwcole (58) — if the press continues to f*ck every one of our candidates between now and the election, you can kiss winning Congress goodbye. Look what they’re already doing to HRC, for crying out loud.
Winning Congress will take more than media boycotts; it’s going to take going door-to-door to ensure that every swing vote and every progressive vote is activated. We’re already doing that, worked a phone bank this weekend, doing door-to-door next two weekends.
But the f*cking corporatist-authoritarian mouthpiece must be dealt a blow if we are going to win enough swing votes to make clear and convincing — read: uncheatable — margins in November. This is the time when patriots must pull out all the stops and do it ALL, sound the alarm AND throw the tea in the harbor.
Late to the party again,but I did do my homework.
And now, Abu Gonzales is showing off some big ole shiny knives to reporters who publish misdeeds by the administration. Now, here is a conundrum:
Glenn has made it pretty clear that the administration is a fugitive from justice, and has avoided at all costs, any judicial review of this program. Illegal programs cannot be classified. If charges are brought against reporters for disclosing this program, due to it being classified, will the administration have to prove to a court of law the legality of it, therefore qualifying it for classified status?
rwcole-
I agree with you about the Bush Administration’s pitiful governance.
The constitutional abuses of Bushco are also yet more incompetent governance. Sneaking around, lying, making sure you’re not caught in those lies, all that obfuscation and lack of transprancy makes for bad governance. Guantanamo and black prisons is the horrible goverance of justice. Do we really need torture in our toolbox for governance?
If committing constitutional crimes doesn’t get you, how about tying it to incompetence, along with Katrina?
I hate to say or even think it, but the book is not funny. Before you howl stop and think. How did Al Franken sell so many copies of RLIABFI? He didn’t have a radio show. He didn’t have a TV show. The Blogs were in their infancy. His only exposure for a couple of years was the chat shows and “Politically Incorrect” (BTW, it’s no coincidence that Maher was forced off the air). The book sold because it was funny. And you better believe that book did a lot to turn back the rushtide in the West and Northeast. Lots of the same info was in that book as is in Greenwald’s but HWAPA’s not funny! I read this earlier today: Carol Burnett says Comedy is Tragedy Time. We don’t have the time anymore! Hell, Colbert won’t have Glenn on, but he’ll book Ponurru in a hot minute, ’cause it’s funny when they squirm.
Steve- I’m on the same page. The election is the key first step. Dems need to win one house. Next- they have to fight. Are they willing to do it? Won’t know until the time comes.
Steve and rwcole - Let me revise and extend my remarks, as they say on The Hill . . .
By controlling the cameras, the Dems would have the power to shape the public perception of the White House in ways that would make the funding of dubious projects that the White House is pushing for all but impossible.
Look at the micro-case: earmarks. Earmarks work because they generally show up without fingerprints. On the other hand, when people have to actually defend something questionable - in public, with the lights hot and the cameras rolling (or whatever the digital equivalent is) - that’s when business as usual grinds to a halt. The Bridge to Nowhere got smacked around because someone put it on the proverbial front page, above the fold, the Distinguished Senator from Alaska’s clout notwithstanding.
If the Dems show some spine with the cameras, the light they can pour on constitutionally-dubious behavior could be enough to bring the level of said behavior down by several orders of magnitude. End them - no. Reduce them - definitely.
Another example: Murtha’s hour of glory on C-SPAN when he took on the republicans singlehanded. The Republicans thought they could get the Dems backed into a corner with the cameras, by forcing a primetime debate on withdrawing from Iraq. Their problem was that the Dems let Murtha take the whole Republican caucus on by himself. The Republicans gave two minutes to this one and three minutes to that one, which gave each of the speakers a chance to say “hi” to the folks back home. Murtha, on the other hand, had the place to himself to beat and beat and beat on the administration for dumping on the troops, mismanaging the occupations, failing to plan for the peace, etc. Instead of backing the Dems into a corner, they painted themselves into one instead. To a lot of Joe-Six-Packs out there, Murtha came off well and did a lot to get rid of the “Dems-as-Hanoi-Janes” nonsense that many Dems are afraid of.
Properly handled, hearings can make issues disappear before you need to vote on funding. No one likes to be made to look like a fool in public. Especially if they live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
The whole book hit me like a combo of punches,when I got back up off the floor,I was one pissed off dude!
This struck me very hard,from pg.96″But one can protect against the threat of terrorism with courage,calm and resolve-the attributes that have always defined our nation as it has confronted other threats,including many at least as signifigent.Hysteria and fear mongering are the opposite of strength.The strong remain rational and unafraid.”
Truer words were never spoken and in the actions of our government we find the allies of the terrorists,stoking up fear far in excess of the capabilities of the ‘enemy’
A dem congress would mitigate to some extent the news bias issue. As it is, the media has to suck gooper dick to get stories. That’s not the whole problem- but it’s a lot of it with a totally gooper govt. With a dem congress- they’re goin to have to play it straight or they’ll be cut out of half the action. Same for corporate donors who are going to have to start writing two checks- not just one. EVERYTHING changes when congress changes leadership.
I saw on one of the blogs(maybe this one) this morning that Bush was quoting Truman.Bet he did’nt quote the speech on pg.103!
1,164 DAYS AND THE KILLING GOES ON AND ON AND…
“How would a Patriot Act?”:
rwcole saddled up a rhetorical hobby horse of mine for the last few years and I think it’s a part of the answer to Greewald’s question: we need to not only acknowledge that we have full blown fascisti runnin’ the country but we must start usin’ the term as part of our everyday political vocabulary. The American people are way ahead of the “progressive” strategists on this point. I think that we could get a real argument goin’ in the corporate media if we start advancin the term fascist in everyday terms on the blogesphere…the “blogs” are beginnin’ ta drive the level of political argument since the nazis have been tankin in the polls.
If you look at the possibility that the Quissling candidates like Harmon in California, Lieberman in Connectecutt and Montgomery in Montana are all in danger of bein knowcked out in the primaries, I think we better wake up and find out where the people are goin here id we wanna good spot in the parade.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BE AFRAID TA CALL A SPADE A SHOVEL ER A REPUBLICRAT A FASCIST!!
DMM -
Shorter version of Bush at West Point: “The buck stops there. With you, that is, ’cause I’ll be gone before it’s over.”
Doesn’t anyone in the media remember that Truman made his reputation during WWII running a commission charged with investigating war profitteering?
By the way, how’s that KBR audit coming, Dubya? (Oh, wait a minute. . . that would mean letting the sunlight in on some of that manure. Never mind.)
DMM 70 — Hysteria and fear mongering are the opposite of strength.The strong remain rational and unafraid
Very nice quote from Glenn.
An important idea related to the book, elliptically covered, is that the “War on Terror” is a sham. Atrios made this point earlier today, though many others have made it as well.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/200.....4773673694
My Spidey sense says more on this point is coming from our side.
Is the WOT a pretext for expanding executive power, as Christy wrote about Cheneney, Addington and the signing statements earlier today?
Has this gutting of the Constitution been the whole point all along?
Peterr 74 — the Truman Commission on War Profiteering is one of my pet bugs. I have absolutely no idea why the Dems aren’t calling for it to be reconvened, at least none I want to think about for too long.
And winning congress goes farther than voting Dem. It requires involvement and voting at the primary level as well. You need real candidates who both care about these (constitutional) issues and are willing to take a stand.
So don’t get discouraged, because this is going to take at least one more Congress election cycle. The progressive challengers that have stepped up this cycle are just priming the pump. Next cycle those challenges will be stronger and more numerous.
Either that or we lose.
Pach 76 — Atrios’ point this morning was very well taken. Any legitimate battle against terrorism is almost wholly separate from the Bush definied “war on terror,” which basically means an excuse to call anyone who opposes his power grab a traitor.
His trumpeting of the phrase demeans the efforts of those who genuinely care about defending the nation from real threats of terrorism.
I was very interested in Glenn’s description of how he came to be concerned about the Bush administration’s post-9/11 behavior, especially since he says he “was among those who strongly approved of his performance” after the attacks.
I have to admit I was far more skeptical initially. After all, it was my belief from having tracked Bush’s record on antiterrorism work before 9/11 that his atrocious handling of the issue was not likely to change afterward. I too supported the decision to invade Afghanistan, but felt that even that was badly mishandled, and when the focus shifted to Iraq, I knew we were in trouble in terms of making serious headway against terrorism.
Still, I think my red flags went up at the same time as Glenn’s (pp.2-3):
“What first began to shake my faith in the administration was its conduct i the case of Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen arrested in May 2002 on U.S. soil and then publicly labeled “the dirty bomber.” The administration claimed it could hold him indefinitely without charging him with any crime and while denying him access to counsel.
I never imagined that such a thing could happen in modern America — that a president would claim the right to order American citizens imprisoned with no charges and without the right to a trial. In China, the former Soviet Union, Iran, and countless other countries, the government can literally abduct its citizens and imprison them without a trial. But that cannot happen in the United States — at least it never could before. If it means anything to be an American citizen, it means that we cannot be locked away by our government unless we are charged with a crime, given due process by the court, and then convicted by a jury of our peers.
I was alarmed by the Padilla case as well, and for the same reasons — but from a somewhat different perspective.
I had spent much of the previous ten years researching the incarceration of Japanese Americans during World War II, the results of which I published in my book Strawberry Days. And what I knew, all too well, was that American citizens have been imprisoned with no charges and without the right to a trial; I knew that the United States government had in fact abducted its citizens and incarcerated them without a trial, it had locked them away without being charged with a crime.