
It's amusing, frankly, that the Republicans have suddenly awoken to the dangers of a Chief Executive who has decided that he is a law unto himself. Suddenly, all that rubber stamping for the Imperial Presidency has lost some luster -- at least for the Republican leadership if not the whole of the the GOP rank and file. From Dana Milbank at the WaPo:
The radicalization of Denny Hastert has been a marvel to behold after years in which Bush has urged him to stay on the job because of his fierce loyalty to the White House. First, Hastert groused about the Dubai port deal. Then, he criticized the administration's ouster of CIA chief Porter Goss. Now, his fury about the office search has come like a nor'easter merging with the tropical depression congressional Republicans already find themselves in -- and it's getting stormy on the Hill.House Republicans huddled over Twinkies, chips and soft drinks for nearly two hours last evening about the constitutional impasse, even after Bush tried to defuse the conflict by sealing the seized files for 45 days. The House Judiciary Committee chairman, James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), announced that he would hold a hearing titled "Reckless Justice: Did the Saturday Night Raid of Congress Trample the Constitution?"
"Every two years, I stand in the well of the House and raise my right hand and swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States," a high-minded John Boehner (R-Ohio), the House majority leader, told reporters.
"We need to protect the division of powers in the Constitution of the United States," the speaker himself said -- over and over again.
Suddenly, all the issues that seemed so pressing a few days earlier -- war spending, immigration, gas prices -- were on the back burner. Emerging from the meeting of House Republicans, GOP spokesman Sean Spicer said members were willing to come out and talk about oil drilling; not a single journalist accepted the offer.
The newfound passion for congressional prerogatives has amused Democrats, who have complained for years about what they say is the administration's contempt for congressional authority. The White House has stiffed requests from Congress on such key issues as probes of Hurricane Katrina to the eavesdropping programs at the National Security Agency.
Whether it is fear of their own offices being searched next -- or this was a wake-up call as to the repurcussions of allowing the boy king to always get his way on our constitutional system of government, I have no idea. But in standing up to the President and the Executive Branch on this, they are correct.
That's right -- don't choke on your coffee. I said that they were correct -- even though they are standing up for the rights of a Congressman who allegedly accepted a bribe (caught on tape) and then stuffed the bulk of the cash in his freezer. And you know why this is? Because the law applies to everyone. Period.
Oh, and a note to Bushie: pissing off Sensenbrenner by going back on your word and making him look like a patsy on the immigration issue? Not the smartest thing you've ever done. He's got a big ego, and a very big power chair in the House -- and you can ask Bill Clinton about this one -- he's more than eager to use his seat to make your life as miserable as he possibly can.
The separation of powers question comes in because the FBI entered Jefferson's office -- in a Congressional office building -- at a time when Congress was in session to conduct the investigation.
Absent some extraordinary showing of that sort, an executive branch investigative agency would not have the authority to do this sort of search on Legislative branch property. It has never, in the history of the Congress, been done before. It's really unprecedented -- that's why I'm wondering if there was an extraordinary show of cause in the warrant as to why this needed to be done, because I can't think of any other valid reason for a federal judge to grant them access under the "speech and debate" protections that usually are in place.
And I do wonder why it took the FBI months and months after allegedly finding all this cold, hard cash in Rep. Jefferson's freezer before they decided to search his office -- at a time when GOP corruption stories were all over the news.
I mean, honestly, the timing is a little weird and I wonder what they needed from the Congressional office that they didn't already have with their videotape of Jefferson allegedly accepting a bribe, the videotape of him allegedly removing said money from the back of the briber's car and taking it to his own and then the alleged finding of the cash in his freezer. Why raid his Congressional office when you have a case that seems pretty darn solid? There are investigative reasons to do so -- but it was a truly unprecedented move, and one that ought to have required very extraordinary circumstances before it was executed.
I suppose my confusion arises from the fact that Duke Cunningham, former representative from California who has now plead guilty to bribery charges, wrote out a "bribe menu" on his Congressional office stationary...and they didn't search his office. And Tom DeLay has been running a virtual KStreet ATM machine for the GOP out of his office...and it hasn't been raided. Or the fact that Bob Ney's office has remained intact. Or...well, you get the picture.
And because this is the Bush Administration, you can color me slightly suspicious about the timing and the motivation on this -- even as I sit here thinking that Rep. Jefferson ought to consider resigning. Now.
Either way, though, the Speaker and the Minority leader, as well as the Senate leadership are absolutely correct in standing firm on their "speech and debate" rights to no searches. This was put into place to prevent the sorts of abuses of the King going into the houses and/or offices of his political enemies to gin up a case against them (sound like any Administration we know?) -- and they are absolutely correct to fight any weakening of this protection tooth and nail.
I'd do the same thing.
This area of Con Law wasn't my specialty -- so anyone who has worked on the Hill with Judiciary or otherwise who has done work on this area please feel free to chime in -- but I think I'm remembering my American history correctly on just why this was specifically set up as a protection for Legislators.
And given the erosion of the Constitution under the Bush Presidency, I have to say that it's about damn time they took a firm stand on something -- anything -- without making their jobs wholly obsolete.
Digby has some more thoughts on this which, as always, are well worth the read.
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FROOTZ! OK - now that I’ve read the article… I have a certain bitter laughter that THIS is what finally gets the Congress’ panties in a twist… but I’ve had a lot of that lately…
gotta go to work.
The House Judiciary Committee chairman, James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), announced that he would hold a hearing titled “Reckless Justice: Did the Saturday Night Raid of Congress Trample the Constitution?”
What did you expect from a president who opined that the constitution “is just a
God damned piece of paper”???
MORNIN Redd. Great piece- thanks- and needed- no one else seems to want to say what you said.
The Rubber-stamp Republicans created this unitary Frankenstein’s monster, and now they’re shocked, shocked, I tell you to find that they forgot to include an “off” switch.
I guess it all depends on whose ox is being gored. Or, in Hastert’s case, whose big fat ass is being gored. You can probably hear the sound of Congressional hard drives being scrubbed all the way from Rehoboth Beach…..
I am shocked, SHOCKED! that Denny was huddled over twinkies for two hours.
I would have bet at least double that.
Meanwhile, Tweety went on about how Bush was “a little Lincoln” last night, which made me sick until I realized I could turn the tables and make Old Abe a “little Bush”
One thing it does (the raid): it gets the case a lot more airtime, providing a whole ‘nother side issue to keep it in the foreground. It’s not about how many cases on both sides of the aisle, it’s about how much media space do they occupy. One Dem case that occupies a large amount of media space is equal to 15 GOP cases that occupy, collectively, the same amount. See? Both sides do it!
Jefferson should bloody well resign, and should have done so before this happened.
While traveling today I’ll be reading Glenn Greenwald’s book. Didn’t we used to have a tripartite system?
The law is how we mutually agree to live with each other. Shredding the law means destroying that social contract. Then it’s just back to raw power, warlords.
What do we want military folks and government employees to do, obey the law or do what the King says? People are getting conflicting orders.
My proposed campaign platform revolves around our mutual agreements:
Domestic policy: the Constitution
Foreign policy: Geneva Conventions
Are they really concerned about the separation of powers? Or is this just a tricky way to keep a fallen democrat in the news for long enough to convince the public that corruptioin is just as prevalent on the other side of the aisle?
I bring you Hastert in his element through the magic of Photoshop!
EPU’d from last night:
Does the GOP seek to escape from the scandals that are legion by turning the whole government into a constitutional food fight? I’m hoping Principal Fitzgerald is watching the cafeteria exits.
Politically, the Dems should wash their hands of Jefferson. Claim he has the right to a fair trial, etc, but relieve him of his assignments in the interim. Disappointed in the CBC, perhaps Pelosi should have done a better job of reach out / briefing ahead of time.
Can they change caucus rules to relieve Jefferson of committee assignments? (Opposite of the Delay Rule, and wrt committee asssigments instead of leadership positions)?
Inquiring minds…
I think this is a put-up. I think that the White House expected (or asked for) this reaction. Think about it: how much material is there in the offices of (12 ) Congress members implicated in the Abramoff scandal, in the (12 ) offices of Congress members implicated in the Cunningham scandal, in the (x?) offices of Congress members involved in either the NSA spying scandal (the few who were notified) and any as-yet undiscovered scandal(s)? Much of that content could lead right back to the White House, including emails that must have been sent to/from the White House and the Bush/Cheney’04 campaign. This was a pre-emptive move to keep anybody from digging around, gives Republican Congress members (and the White House) a safe harbor for their illicit doings (like day-trading on pending legislation).
The bonus is the use of a dirty Democrat for this purpose; they can now work on seating a Repug in his seat once he finally is coerced into leaving.
Never underestimate how criminal this administration is; they’ve already decimated nearly every government agency, spent billions on their own profiteering. And they won’t give up without a fight.
GW Clusterfuck went on teevee with the poodle last night and said that he had made a mistake to tell the insurgents in Iraq to “bring it on”. HE said that the remark was misunderstood in some parts of the world.
Let’s think about this for a minute- SOME parts of the world? How bout HERE? And just how was the remark misunderstood? I interpreted the remark to mean “If you want to attack american troops- we welcome the attacks- cause we’re gonna kick your asses.”
Just what OTHER way is there to understand the comment? Anyone? How do you misunderstand “bring it on”?
EPU’d and OT-
TRex,
Have you ever listend to Sean Insanitty’s radio show?
I find it amusing that one of his musical lead-ins is Carmina Burana by the German Carl Orff.
Carmina Burana’s full title translated in English is this, “Songs of Beuern: Secular songs for singers and choruses to be sung together with instruments and magic images”.
It was composed in the mid 30’s and was one of the most popular songs composed in Nazi Germany.
The brain damage sustained from cognitive dissonance when his church goin’ everyman schtick pipes up and the beautiful music fades is irreparable.
Isn’t there a police force employed by the House, or a Sargeant-at-Arms who could have served the warrant and retrieved the evidence? Seems rather indelicate to invade the Congress’ turf. Do I wonder if AG Gonzales was making some kind of statement with these actions? “No one and nowhere is beyond the reach of His Unitariness. Now shut up and vote like you’re told.”
Don’t be deceived. This is going to turn out to be another classic con-job.
The Bush administration is insulating itself from future Congressional subpoenas (after the midterm elections), by raising the “separation of powers” issue through this ploy.
I predict they will back down, let Jefferson off the hook, and then use the same arguments back to Congressional Democrats when they start to subpoena Bush administration officials and documents to investigate the bullcrap they have been up to for the past 5 years.
And letting Jefferson off the hook is a brilliant move, in itself. Oh no! A black congressman is a thief and nobody can or will do anything about it! All those people talking about “rights.” Grrrr… Damn those Democrats.
The Jefferson thing becomes extended and aggravated in the media as a result. The Culture of Corruption meme gets turned topsy-turvy, with Jefferson as the poster-child for corruption, not Abramoff or Delay. We might Expect some Willie Horton-type ads with Jefferson’s picture.
It would look less phony if they would defend all parts of the Constitution and not only the part that protects Hastert from getting caught with his pants down with Jack Abramoff!
Exactemente, my flying elephant friend…
The fact that Congressman Jefferson is so obviously (to even a casual observer) corrupt is NOT the reason for the search.
Jefferson’s obvious corruption was merely a lubricant. As mentioned in the post, dozens of other Congressman had equal amounts of obviousness in their corruption, Cunningham being perhaps the best example.
But Cunningham et al were WHITE and REPUBLICAN. Therefore they are not subject to unprecedented Executive branch intrusion into Congress.
By targeting a Black Democrat, Bush Jr. et al probably figured that their Republican Congressional pals wouldn’t recognize the stink of tyranny in their offices.
Bad luck, though: Republican Congressmen supported Bush Jr. for their own interest and power, not his.
And Bush Jr. has now openly declared aggression against his own minions.
Is it time for a new baronial revolt, a Beltway Magna Charta?
I love the republican’s full steam ahead attitude when everyone’s rights are attacked because they don’t affect them personally. They feel that they are insulated from anything that ordinary people are subject to. Now when it suits the WH’s purpose to turn on one of their own, those like Hastert get all uppity over their rights being assulted.
Every single person in the world is ultimately a tool to the Bush administration if and when the need arises.
Christy, it may be the first time a Congressional office has been searched like this, but it’s certainly not the first time the Executive Branch has executed search warrants on the offices of another branch. I can think of a time when I lived in Chicago where a big investigation of judges came down hard. One of them screamed about separation of powers, but it went nowhere.
I don’t recall where I read it (the Post?) but i read that the judge who signed this warrant penned an additional note on it to the Capitol Police. Obviously the judge recognizes that this isn’t business as usual, but the judge also could see what the FBI had already and approved the warrant.
(I can’t believe I’m defending the Bush Admin on this . . . )
As for what they were looking for, well, if you’re bribing someone who has only one of 435 votes on something, chances are you’ll need more than just that one fella to get what you want. Either there’s more bribe money being tossed around, or the briber has confidence that the one rep will have the clout to bring some others along. Jefferson is on Ways & Means, but he still isn’t what I’d call a big fish in the pond of Congress. I’m betting that they’re looking for more on other folks.
Which brings me to Delay, Ney, and Co. IIRC, they have cooperated in the various Abramoff investigations (at least to this point). A marked contrast to Jefferson. If they haven’t cooperated, and there’s probably cause to believe that there is evidence in those offices, then bring it to the judge, get the damn warrants, and go get it. Bring along the Capitol Police, to make sure no congressional perogatives are messed up, but there has to be a way to search for evidence in a congressional office.
The one time the Bushies get yelled at for illegal search, and it’s the time they actually went and got a warrant from a judge. Talk about irony.
IANAL, and you are, so that makes me humble in pushing this, and I am certainly open to correction. But still, if this reading of the “speech and debate” clause is correct, and if Jefferson did take a bribe, then his error wasn’t in accepting the money, it was in failing to keep it in the FBI-proof freexer at the office!
I assume that the warrant issued to search Jefferson’s office was issued by a Bush appointed rubber-stamp judge. I would expect Abu Gonzales to refuse to cooperate with any Congressional investigation on the grounds of protecting national security under the powers of the Unitary Executive Authority. This will in turn be upheld by more rubber-stamp judges. Game, set match.
What makes the repiglicans such magnificent bastards is their ability to use different outcomes to their advantage.
The administration stands down on Jefferson - Hastert et al. are defenders of the constitution; and corruption and scandal are “bipartisan” — Jefferson keeps doing his Adam Clayton Powell strut, out on the street due to a “technicality”
The administration prevails - joonyah’s g-men take on corrupt congressman, and corruption and scandal are “bipartisan” and you don’t need any latin (e.g. quid pro quo, etc) to understand $90k in a freezer. Talk about cold cash (ba dum bum).
Good Morning Everyone
Christy, thanks for this post - was gonna go O/T and ask about it in Late NIte - but the kids were having so much fun thought I might ask you today
Although I’ve been coming here for a while now - I still count the blessings of this informed community -
*ilson invoked the principle of the Speech & Debate clause immediately
rwcole - you are looking like Sybil the Soothe Sayer more and more everyday - you made a comment when GWCF was sliding from 38% laying out how things would go as his numbers dropped and a ’suddenly emboldened Congress’ was right there btw 33 & 30 % - good God -It may sound sensible to everyone now, but at the time of your comment, many of us commented on how ‘blue sky’ it all sounded
don’t mean to embarass you guys, but I’m a half full kinda gal and credit where credit is due . . .
Christy thank you for clarifying what is at stake here - could not get my brain wrapped around it yesterday and your post clears it up and erases the ambient noise quite nicely
And being able to produce a corrupt politician on demand from Louisiana is about as hard as finding flies on dogshit.
I am sure DOJ weighed the constitutional pros and cons but just couldnt resist in that Jefferson is a democrat and black and of course the fact that all that cash was tucked in his freezer. They know thats what people will remember once the dust settles.
Morning, Christy - hope everyone at your house is on the mend; just keep telling your husband that the early childhood years are an immunity-building experience that he will - eventually - be all the better for. He may not buy it, but that’s the “lemonade” you make from this particular batch of lemons. *g*
Anyway, there’s something about this that smells a little funny. Am wondering if the left hand and the right have once again forgotten to check in with each other to see what is going on. Or, in the alternative, if the left hand is sick and tired of being trumped by the right and finally figured out a way to get back.
Is there any possibility that the FBI took the opportunity that the Jefferson investigation presented to deliberately trigger this constitutional free-for-all? Could they be so tired of being involved in things they feel are in violation of the constitution that they decided to do something that would make these people sit up and take notice? Yeah, I know there are any number of Republicans under investigation, who also have offices on the Hill, but I think if it had been one of their offices that had been busted into, the outcry would have likely been more about the FBI trying to get even with the GOP for being marginalized by the great restructuring than about anything as high-minded and principled as a constitutional issue.
But there it is. Separation of powers, front and center. I absolutely agree that the law is supposed to apply to all, but the delicious irony here is that while the GOP is currently only focusing on the immediate breach of constitutional authority, they do not seem to realize that everything they are saying about it is going to come back and smack them in the head like a 2 x 4.
On the other hand, in order to believe the FBI did this knowing what would follow, one would have to believe that they are not the stumbling, bumbling Keystone Kops they’ve been portrayed as being.
Rayne @ #13 and Redd, … you can color me slightly suspicious about the timing and the motivation on this…
I agree. This is all win-win political theater for the GOP prior to the 06 elections with a Republican President at 30% in the polls.
Cry me a river and paint me the victim. All the better to distance me from that nasty Imperial Presidency that I am in no way connected to…
Wasn’t Rove on the Hill twice in the last week on the immigration issue?…and other items one can suspect.
on second thought, bushco always backs away from a court challenge…. until now. let’s put on uncle karl’s magic glasses and take a look at the situation.
president invades halls of congress seeking evidence of a crime. congress resists. case goes to court. administration puts up a weak argument. court finds for congress: no FBI searches of congressional precincts.
fast forward to 2009, with a democratic administration. president (clinton / kerry / gore ) sends FBI to search hastert’s office. speaker pelosi assents to search. hastert objects, cites jefferson v. FBI 2006 precedent.
hastert and GOP win. if bush loses this battle, the GOP wins the war. how very clever of karl to lose this battle and inoculate the GOP against future investigations.
I think it was a twofer for Bush. Highlight the corruption of a Democrat, and put the fear of God in the Republicans for even considering crossing this administration.
I have an issue with this whole thing. I’m sorry, but it is NOT OK for the Congress Criminals (every damn one of them) to have a safe zone (their offices) in which they can hide the evidence and ill gotten gains from their criminality. It is not the right message nor a righteous message to claim that you can stash the bodies in your congressional office and no law enforcement can touch it.
I want EVERY office searched, without warrant. I want them to eat the shit they’ve shoveled on the rest of us (the “little people”). Where was the outrage over warrantless spying on Americans? Where was the outrage of secret searches, gag rules, library records searches, military spying on Quakers, etc? ONLY when the shit smell starts wafting through their “holy” offices do they get their dander up? BULLSHIT!
I am friggin PISSED that they are getting all upset over a search of a CRIMINAL’S office (redhanded, ON VIDEO, taking a goddamned BRIBE!) - via a valid warrant signed by a friggin judge! THEY get the Constitutional treatment with the FBI actually getting a warrant from the Judicial Branch. This wasn’t the Exec run amok…shall we now claim that it is the Exec in cahoots with the “evil” Judicial? Give me a break!
How dare they whine about a search conducted AFTER the FBI, in one of the few times in the last 5 years, actually got a legal, binding, Constitutionally required WARRANT?
I’m glad that another progressive agrees with me on this, Christy. Though what’s bothering me about this has little to do with Jefferson. In his case there was a legitimate warrant, drawn up by a legitimate court. Jefferson also refused (or had been dragging his feet for months) to comply with a court order to produce the documents in question. Sounds like Jefferson had it coming, in other words.
What’s been bothering me is the rhetoric from fellow progressives — Aravosis, for one — who have implied that what the FBI did is a good thing, that “Maybe a little excessive executive branch police power would be a good thing for Republicans and Democrats on the Hill alike to experience,” to quote big John, himself. This kind of rhetoric only plays into the hands of the Bush junta.
If you’ll allow me to don my tin-foil hat for a moment, these types of raids, if allowed to occur in a piece-meal manner, could whip-up public enmity of congress to such a degree that Americans might begin to believe that we don’t need a legislative branch of government. Let’s just have the president rule by imperial fiat, in other words. John should really think twice before popping-off like this. And don’t get me wrong: I love his blog, I just wish he would sometimes take a more measured approach when responding to certain news items.
And then there’s Dumbo’s argument, that creating a precedent preventing more such raids would give the corrupt GOP carte blanche to continue its corrupt ways.
The opacity of the Bush junta makes me think that anything is possible, though I’m inclined to think that Dumbo may be on to something.
Rayne (#13) might have it right: “I think this is a put-up. I think that the White House expected (or asked for) this reaction.”
It draws more attention to a Democrat and, by the happiest coincidence, allows the Justice Department to wander around his office, looking for evidence that would incriminate Jefferson further and also explore his connections with other members of the Congressional Black Caucus and House Democrats.
Now that they have seen what they wanted to see, Hastert kicks up a fuss, George seals the evidence, and the Justice Department pretends to forget what it has seen.
Is there any possibility that the FBI took the opportunity that the Jefferson investigation presented to deliberately trigger this constitutional free-for-all?
In a word? NO. Sorry, the FBI didn’t act all on their own (or on the sole command of Abu Gonzales). They went to the JUDICIAL BRANCH and got a VALID WARRANT. End of story.
No free pass for ANY congress criminal. No safe zones wherein they get to hide their crimes from law enforcement. If THEY get a super secret stash (their office) upon which NO legal authority can lay eyes, then we ALL get one.
The FBI also wants to question a number of Congresspersons regarding the NSA leaks. (Raw Story).
This is George W. Bush we’re dealing with here. The question “What if these powers end up in the wrong hands” is not about the hypothetical future.
This administration has systematicaly tried to weaken the legislative and judicial branches against the unitary executive, and it seems almost certain that they’ll use the present “bipartisan” corruption scandals to attack Congress itself.
DrBB, matthew - you hit the nail on the head. Without this stunt, there would be a finite amount of time the press could dedicate to covering this story before folks would cry foul - there would’ve been a backlash in the black community and Democrats would’ve looked persecuted by the press if this story was drawn out for an unusually long time.
But now…we’ll be lucky to shake this story by ‘08.
Rather Roverian, don’tchathink?
Praedor at 33 — I think if you re-read what I wrote — the reason the warrant may have been potentially lawfully granted is IF Jefferson was thought to be trying to use his office as a loophole to thwart the investigation, to hide evidence there or something like that. You don’t get to cheat — whether you are an elected official or not — in terms of a criminal investigation, and that would have been a good argument in my mind to allow a search. (Which does away with the whole safe in the office thing, Peterr.) I am NOT saying that any member in Congress ought to be exempt from following laws — hello, that would be the opposite of everything I stand for and have said here — but the President and the Executive branch have to follow those laws as well.
Our legal system functions best when there is a robust challenge on BOTH sides of the issue at bar. That Congress is willing to push back for a change, instead of just rolling over, is a good thing in my mind. Maybe they’ll start doing it more often (not holding my breath, but still…)
“I want EVERY office searched, without warrant.”
Instapundit said the same. Our nation is blessed with lots of proto-fascist morons.
Not only that, but if serious discussion of Bush’s expansion of executive power ever comes about in the public arena, the “separation of powers” dialogue will already have been poisoned in the minds of the public. (”Separation of powers? We talked about that last week. It was just some bullshit excuse for criminals to try to get off the hook.”)
Dear FireDogLake:
I put up a post on another link on FDL about this same issue (’sealing the documents’), however, with the exception of one post ahead of mine, the last post prior was about 7 hours earlier…hmmmm…anyway, reading these posts, I think Dumbo, Rayne and myself are definately on the right track: this is about future leverage, ’cause corruption isn’t bipartisan’. On the one hand, I believe Dumbo’s analogy is quite insightful, however, on the other hand, I don’t see people of color conjuring conspiracy out of 90 grand in Jefferson’s freezer (provided of course, there is footage of said retrieval…), but it is possible (both ways…that it IS a set up, and that conspiracy can be conjured…).
Also, another poster asked what’s it about (sealing the records): I think what it’s about is this: when they’re ‘unsealed’, there’s gonna be a whole lot of information there that wasn’t there when they were sealed…
Meanwhile, I’ve been coming to FDL daily for probably 3 weeks now, and find the whole ‘Fitz’ thing amusing. I also go to Stratasphere and, at this point, tend to believe the guy’s last bubble popped.
What would A.J. think, if ALL his posts opened with a trail of “Fitz”, “Fitz”, “Fitz”, etc.? Nah, he’d probably just delete them all…
Have a lovely day FireDogLake…
Sincerely,
Welch
OT but really cute song and cartoon
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I don’t think Bush is that smart. I do think that there are people in government who resent having been used as the tools by which this administration has carried out clearly illegal and unconstitutional activity.
Who knows? This administration has so abused their power and shown so little respect for any constitutional and legal principles that it’s almost impossible to know who’s doing what, and why.
All I can say is that if this were done with the intent of somehow benefiting the GOP, I hope the 2 x 4 is made of steel and not wood, so that when it hits them in the head, it does the job once and for all.
I hear joonyah’s gonna learn to play the violin…
but the President and the Executive branch have to follow those laws as well.
Any HINT of defending the desire of Congress criminals to keep their crimes hidden makes me see deep, deep red such that it is difficult to think straight. That said, I fail to see where, in this case, the FBI (Exec branch) failed to follow the laws. Criminal Jefferson blew off a subpoena. The FBI went to an entirely separate but co-equal branch of government, the Judicial, and got a signed warrant. Where is the failure to follow the law here by the Exec? The Exec has spit upon the law in most things up to now but THIS time they did it fully within the law. Where’s the violation?
I’m just waiting for the attorney representing either Congress or Jefferson (and you’d better bet Congress will intervene in the Courts) to make the capper argument on why the District Judge should vacate the warrant and return everything seized:
“You’ll rule in favor of us if you want to keep your job.”
It will come down to that. Watch.
Instapundit said the same. Our nation is blessed with lots of proto-fascist morons.
Mine was hyperbole. I said it to highlite the warrantless searches that the Congress is OK about…when it involves the “little people”: US. It’s OK with them, whatever the hell the FBI, military, NSA, CIA, Whitehouse Chef Corps, whatever, wants to do to US but when they get any hint of “the treatment” (In this case with a binding, legal warrant signed off by a judge from the NON-Executive branch, they spit blood. I call BULLSHIT!)
Scribe — funny how GOP Congresspeople are going to have to now deal with some of the lovely folks on the bench that they threatened after the whole Schiavo mess, isn’t it? Yeah, irony abounds in this whole situation…
The warrant is probably warranted (please help me) but as far as execution, something should have been done to address the constitutional concerns (re the executive branch rooting through the drawers of the legislative) Two that come to mind: the FBI could have coordinated with the House Sgt at arms to be present to represent the legislative branch’s interests, or a special master could have been appointed to go through the records to sort out the political (and protected) from the criminal (and germane) fruits of the search.
“Thereupon Charles, followed by three or four hundred armed swordsmen, went down to Westminster, entered the house of commons (which none of his predecessors had ever done), and told the members present that no person had any privileges when charged with treason.”
Godfrey Davies, _The Early Stuarts 1603-1660_, Oxford 1959, p. 123
I figure it has more to do with the Patriot Act, giving BushCo all the authority he needs to order a search… perhaps he told the judge to order it…. who knows. But while CONgress has given everyone over to the BushCo for searches and seizures via that act, I reckon they forgot to include themselves as obsolete.
Let the search stand and let the fighting about Patriot Act begin!!
“Any HINT of defending the desire of Congress criminals to keep their crimes hidden makes me see deep, deep red such that it is difficult to think straight.”
You are NOT thinking straight. The problem is the precedent involved in using the police (executive controlled) against Congress. This is not about Rep. Jefferson.
Will Bush take advantage of this opportunity to attack and weaken the institution of Congress?
How could he not, being the man he is?
I am not defending Jefferson or Hastert. But this kind of thing is worrisome for institutional reasons, the more so because Bush is in power.
In third-world countries they often send the police after the legislature, and total executive dominance is often achieved that way.
When I see the House GOP defy the administration over something that doesn’t have to do with immigration, I’ll give the idea that they’ve reclaimed their authority more credence.
Until they do something against Bush for the good of the nation, I’m an agnostic on this issue.
Thank you, Christie, for bringing some common sense to this issue. The comments in the lefty blogs have mostly been out to lunch. The power to investigate is the power to destroy.
Is Jefferson corrupt? I don’t know. But better a corrupt congressman than one who votes the way the FBI tells him. How did they get a videotape of him? Sounds like a sting operation. There is a fine–or nonexistent–line between a sting and a frame-up. I do not understand why everyone is rushing to condemn Jefferson on the word of the FBI. A government that kidnaps people for rendition is perfectly capable of framing a congressman. But even if Jefferson really is as corrupt as everyone alleges, you don’t go searching congressional offices.
You are right about the timing issue. This is all to make the “culture of corruption” a bipartisan issue.
I keep wondering if this 45 day cooling off period by Bush is really more of a 45 day hostage period for Hastert to back down from his majority majority position (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/22/AR2006052201516.html) and deliver an immigration bill for Bush’ legacy prior to the fall elections. Consider the likelihood that his office has incriminating documents as the Wapo article today states:
“As was reported last year, Hastert was among four House Republican leaders who signed a 2003 letter to then-Interior Secretary Gale A. Norton in an effort to block an Indian casino opposed by tribes represented by Abramoff. Shortly before the letter was sent, Abramoff hosted a fundraiser for Hastert’s political action committee. In January, the speaker said he would give to charity the donations, estimated at $69,000, that he received from Abramoff and Abramoff’s clients.”
Bush has the authority to return the documents today, yet rather than do that he proposed this “cooling off period” which just happens to coincide with the July 10 date that the Senate reconvenes possibly to work out a compromise bill (or not)on immigration. Given the importance of the immigration bill to his legacy, party, midterm election platform, Florida vote, why did the Decider use a cooling off period at all? The coincidence that the cooling off period coincides with the period during which the senate and house work on reconciling their immigration bills seems important and suggests that the Decider may be telling Hastert either deliver an immigration bill for me to sign or face investigation, including uprooting your office for incriminating documents, and unleashing the prosecutors on to your doorstep. The additional benefits folks here have described (such as in 10 or 18) is just icing on this particular cake. Isn’t blackmail a particular strength of the Shrubs?
Are we sure that the Bush junta hasn’t already done some warrantless sneak-and-peek searches of Congressional offices? They bypassed FISA using their Unitary Executive Authority on the grounds that FISA would never approve of the NSA domestic spying program. Obviously FISA would never permit searching of Congressional offices either but that still wouldn’t stop the Bushies. Does anyone else remember the burglaries at Kerry campaign offices during 2004? Unitary Executive Authority is the wild card that trumps everything, it’s even better than Catch 22.
Christy, the biggest questions you raise in your post, IMHO, are “Why raid his Congressional office when you have a case that seems pretty darn solid?” and “why it took the FBI months and months after allegedly finding all this cold, hard cash in Rep. Jefferson’s freezer before they decided to search his office”.
The feds have a case against Jefferson, and the folks who handed him the money. Given the unprecedented nature of this, I think they must be after other, bigger fish. Yeah, he’s on video, but what if there is something there that leads the fed - and a federal judge - to believe there are other folks involved, and that the evidence of this is on Capitol Hill? I can’t come up with anything else. If Jefferson was the top person they were after, the video would have been enough. Bring in the media’s cameras, do the perp walk, and get the FBI’s bright shining faces on TV. No, they want something - someone - else. Bad. (Fitz-like bad, even.)
And your second question - why take months to go after whatever they think is in the office? My hunch here is that it was like the guidelines for going after a reporter’s notes. Before a judge will sign off on that, you are supposed to have exhausted every other possible means of getting the information that you are looking for. (Not that this is always done, mind you, but them’s the rules.) The FBI tried asking politely, then finally went to the judge and said, “Here’s what we’ve got; here’s what we think is in the office; and here’s why we think it’s there.”
I find it hard to believe that a judge - even a hardcore conservative - would sign off on a warrant like this without a lot of careful consideration. “Today, it’s a congressional office, but tomorrow it might be mine . . .”
Two that come to mind: the FBI could have coordinated with the House Sgt at arms to be present to represent the legislative branch’s interests, or a special master could have been appointed to go through the records to sort out the political (and protected) from the criminal (and germane) fruits of the search.
Now THAT I can get behind. They got a warrant, they get to search. The office of a congress creature is NOT hallowed ground immune to law. That is the sort of crap the Criminal in Chief in the Whitehouse would claim.
Get a judge to require the return of ALL the documents, under seal. Then handle it as described by knuckledragger. The separation of powers is protected but they congress criminals are still subjected to the rule of law. Same law as the rest of us.
A couple of cents: First, what cbl (26) said. Ditto all of it.
Second, egregious (9) nails the platform with “Domestic policy: the Constitution; Foreign policy: Geneva Conventions”.
Third, a wish that video will surface and get wide play showing what Richard Wolfe of Newsweek described so chillingly on Olbermann’s Countdown last night: Right after Shrub’s pseudo-sincere expression of regret, complete with a “choreographed” look heavenward, he looked down at the front row of assembled journalists and flashed them his toothiest, cocky-jock, “Heh-heh, Good actin, huh?” grin ever. I have to think that even some of Bush’s backwash base would be creeped out by such a vulgar display.
Denny Hastert, “huddled over Twinkies, chips and soft drinks…”, is an image I could have done without. Hastert is full of Twinkies. I propose he forever be refered to as Denny “Twinkie” Hastert.
On a lighter note, if you start to see Bush and Congress as one big criminal enterprise (I’m thinkin’ “black-ops” contract graft) then their public behavior begins to make more sense. The Dems can’t really take a stand because they and the Repugs are all (with few notable exceptions) corrupt and the “Boss” has the goods on them all. I’m having a hard time getting the tin foil off my head, but when I do I would have to agree with Dumbo at #18. Nobody can do creepy, twisted, evil politics like this
“Administration”. I would relish jail for these sacks of sh*t, but surely there must be a Hell worthy of their residence.
I think Bush is really pissed that his congress-critters are acting uppity and at some meeting, using many Goddamns and fucking this and thats, let it be known that the psychopath-king would like a lesson sent to his minions.
Since the House Repub leadership are all felons, an FBI raid on a House office should put the fear of GWB in them. This little ploy may have backfired. Bring on the popcorn.
well said, john emerson. . .(#51)
Morning all, the Senate confirmed Hayden ;(
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Poli.....id=2007944
I’m skeptical that this is anything other than a well-timed political maneuver to try and knock apart the “culture of corruption” frame for the upcoming campaigns.
Look at all it accomplishes: puts a Democratic face on political corruption with the added advantage of Jefferson being from New Orleans and a black man to boot. Some percentage of folks will be happy to lean into the inference that New Orleans was a political snakepit before Katrina, somehow justifying or at least partly negating BushCo failures in that catastrophe a bit.
Putting Jefferson on the front burner is a two-fer, at least.
And what fraction of the public will follow all of this with a tenth of the attention to detail, adherence to principles and healthy skepticism on display in this thread?
I shudder to think.
Oh well, off to my own food fight over project overruns…
I am waiting for Bush to send the 82nd Airborne into D.C. in order to shut down the “out of control” congress. Wonder what Hastert and Boner will do then?
Also, OT:
Looks like the selling power of Mary Cheney is anemic indeed. Her book sales as of yesterday, courtesy Andrew Sullivan:
“25 May 2006 04:49 pm
She got a reported $1 million advance. She has had a blitzkrieg of publicity. And according to Bookscan’s data yesterday, she sold a total of 1,633 books last week. Her year-to-date sales are 4,091.”
-GSD
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I just don’t see this as biting Democrats. With the exception of the Congressional Black Caucus, I don’t hear anyone going to any lengths to defend a congressman who appears to have been caught red-handed. The message from the Dems has been, “we don’t need - or want- people to identify us as tolerating and overlooking activity that looks criminal.”
By making this a constitutional argument, there is no way they can avoid having to answer questions about where they were on the constitution as this president and this administration used it to trample on the rights of all Americans, to broaden their power and to justify immoral and illegal activity. What’s their answer? “That’s different?”
The horror here is that it took a possible breach of their own privacy rights to make them sit up and pay attention. No one who has been upset about this president and this administration ever wanted anything more than what we thought we were all guaranteed. Any breach that directly affects the rights of members of Congress is but a continuation and extension of activity that has been allowed to happen on their watch. That they may have paved the way for this to happen to themselves doesn’t mean we should allow it to happen, but action on this particular breach is not going to stand if it is not followed by serious and principled action on ALL the constituional issues that are on the table.
Fedlawyerdog #55:
Thanks for bringing to light those “coincidences”. It’ll be very interesting to watch what happens to the House immigration bill going forward. Even if such a stratagem wasn’t part of the original plan, Rove’s still pretty adaptable when it comes to leveraging circumstances.
“Create chaos, and then swim through it.”
Sounds right.
Con Law–I sense a pregnant turn of phrase.
GSD,
If joonyah sends in the 82nd, he might find a brigade headed the wrong way down Pennsylvania Avenue. A lot of those guys have had more than one rotation through Mess o’potamia.
Redd
It is not often I disagree with you on the law, but I gotta today.
The Speech and Debate Clause was originally intended to prevent arrests for actions within hte well of the chamber. I know it has been extended by case law to include alllegitiamte legislative activities (I did a brief on legislative priviledge about a year/18 mos ago and still remember a couple of things)however, the clause itself has specific exceptions, including for FELONIES.
Based upon the really spot on “Cold Hard Cash” post you had a few days back, I am confident you agree that a $100,000 would qualify as felony in any jurisdiction. Not only that, but they actually went and got a feakin’ warrant!! JeeWiz, followed the law.
This is not a speration of powers issue and Hastert is either blowing smoke or as someone upthread said “it’s about who’s ox is being gored”
I personally think this is yet another bright shiny object meant to distract from the Safavian trial by focusing everyone one the brite shiny corrupt democrat over here.
That’s why Hastert is stroking over the ABC report that he is a subject/target and calling that payback.
Hastert shoots the Jefferson thing to the front page for several news cycles by manufacturing a “constitutional crisis”, so ABC points out how much that could hurt is Hastert gets to sit on that front page with Jefferson (ABC must know about the “chicgo way” too!)
I’ll tell you what IS A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS, is the WH interfering with a Justice Department criminal investigation. WTF is that?
The Solicitor General is not an authoized holder of GJ material. I think this MIGHT be (though I have no time to research it today) a Rule 6e violation and a freakin felony of it’s own.
I have no memeory of ANY similar action by a WH with respect to a GJ investigation. This trounces on the judicary and totally steps on the quasi independant status of DOJ.
I am stunned by this. Q: Can anybody think of a rpior similar event in US history? I really want to read up on this, but can’t think of where to even start.
I do not understand why everyone is rushing to condemn Jefferson on the word of the FBI.
There are a few things that are beyond reasonable question: Properly obtained DNA evidence is incontrovertable. Clear videotape, untampered with, is incontrovertable.
Jefferson HAS allowed the GOP to slap the Dems with the slop of corruption now. Before it WAS entirely a GOP problem. Now, thanks to Jefferson, a corrupt politico from a state that has “enjoyed” a LONG line of very corrupt politicos (I used to live in Louisiana), got caught red-handed, on tape, taking a bribe. No one twisted his arm, sting or no sting. NO ONE forces you to commit a crime, you ALWAYS elect to commit it. Consciously. He was later nailed with most of that bribe money stashed in the place and in a manner we ALL keep our cash (that’s sarcasm): in the friggin’ freezer wrapped in foil. He blows off a valid, legal subpoena. Warrant and search insues. Makes sense to me.
Pelosi asks, rightly, for him to resign his post but he refuses. HIS career and personal desires are FAR more important than the good of the party or the country. He wants his, screw the big picture (very GOP of him). Because of this, the GOP can now get some traction on the whole “it’s bipartisan” crap about corruption. Before it was purely a GOP stench but Jeffy fixed that. The runny crap has been spattered over all of them.
Kiss the “Culture of Corruption” meme goodbye, as it was applied to the GOP. It can now be applied to ALL of them, nullifying the advantage it gave the Dems.
Well played Jeffy.
Praedor,
I moved to Baton Rouge in 1983 to start grad school at LSU. We’d been in town about a week, and my wife and I watched the local news one evening, including a brief interview with Edwin Edwards concerning his candidacy for governor. Asked about his chances in the race, his lips drew into a faint grin, “the only way I can lose this race is to be caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl.” He got 77% of the vote.
Producing Jefferson at this time is like Bullwinkle pulling the rhinocerous out of his hat. Didn’t even know his own strength…
Specter on the floor talking about NSA.
looseheadprop @ 72, I’m sure Hastert knows all about about the “Chicago Way.” His district isn’t in Chicago, but it’s close enough . . .
Specter says that AG Abu’s testimony to the Judiciary was stonewalling plain and simple. Does not know if recalling him would be useful at all.
BTW
If there is going to be widespread coverage of corrupt congress critters, maybe it is time to revisit ABSCAM and see if any remnants of that flow into the current scandals?
Slow Down Folks!
The Repubs ain’t acomein’ to thier senses!
Thanks to Chimpy we’re gonna be talking about
William Jefferson, a Democratic bribery scandle, for the next 45 days. And the Repubs will make the most of a democratic bribery scandle for the next forty five days. At least!
Carl Rove>The Abrahamoff Scandle gone from the headlines
Knuckledragger,
From what I have read and seen, it looks like the G-Dubster would have a hard sell if he tried “crossing the Rubicon”.
But, let’s not say that he wouldn’t try it.
By the way, I love the new “Frank Luntz” focus group Bush. All apologies for his “tough talk” now. As with everything he does, it is phony.
The Tony Blair handjob show is too much for me. The two combined down’ reach 50% in any polls.
-GSD
The reason the stink of corruption sticks to the GOP is because of the way the party has handled the revelations about their own.
When you block ethics investigations, when you re-write the ethics rules to benefit the corrupt, when you don’t maintain a standard that does not tolerate corruption, you don’t get to take the high road when someone in the other party gets caught with his hand in the freezer.
And when the party of the guy with his hand in the freezer asks for an ethics investigation of that person, and asks him to resign his committee membership, and some in that same party call for him to resign from the House altogether, the message is that that party has standards, and is not interested in fostering an atmosphere that is conducive to corrupt and illegal activity.
My dad used to say that when you point your finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you. The GOP can rightly decry Jefferson’s behavior, but it does not negate their own transgressions, and rings hollow in light of the way they have handled these issues within the party and within Congress.
Peterr, Oh, I’m sure Haster does too. What stuck me is that ABC seems to have caught on.
If they keep Hastert right next to Jefferson in the story, it dis incentivises Hastert to keep the “constituional crisis” going.
getting ‘address not found’ for CSpan.org links…
So, Arlen thinks Gonzo stonewalled. Sound impeachable to me.
CNN is reporting shots fired in the Rayburn Building; Capitol locked down.
The stonewalling of the Congress and the Judiciary in particular, is because of the expanding Executive. The Executive has the power to veto, not cherry pick with signing statements.
Specter railing against the corrosion of the separation of powers.
If you add Jefferson’s office to the WHOLE mix it gets even more interesting. After all, the Rep’s may be arrogant but they’re not stupid (well, not always). Comin down the pike at them imminently is Karl’s Come to Jesus Moment, another Official A named, Congressfolk named in unpleasant investigations surrounding Wilkes & Abramoff, etc etc - well of course Bush & Blair were forced to admit they were wrong on tv, and we all know just how bad things have to be to get even a squeak to be muttered so the level they had to go to to distract was pretty high up there. Hastert’s reaction wasn’t just a ,”Oh shit I could be next moment”, he’s choosing his outrage here and he really wants Separation of Powers not just in the Constitutional sense, but in the sense of Rep re-elections as well. Hastert hit a tipping point and he may be pissed but he hasn’t disengaged his own personal tactical senses and with Congress’s poll #’s in toilet, he recognize this moment to fight.
Boi Boi
You are as much a cynic as I am. Someone upthread also mentioned a coincidence between the “cooling off” period and the date for the conference committee on the immigration bill
Last week the spinning pundits (even Tweety) were saying that if Bush fails to get an immigration Bill passed, his presidency is for all intents and purposes, OVER.
I am highly suspicious. And I don’t think Congress is on solid legal ground here.
I am failry certain the WH is on NO legal ground by seiazing the the warrant return materials.
About the only folks who seem to have even a nodding aquaintance with the rule of law in this incident are the people who applied for a warrant and (assuming the aplication was legally sufficient) the judge who granted it.
The juroisdiction over the warrant procedes is the judge’s, not the WH. This is crazy.
…minutes after Hayden’s CIA confirmation…
And Arlen…
looseheadprop, your question about prior instances of executive meddling in DOJ investigations brought to mind one stunning example: Archibald Cox and the Saturday Night Massacre. Of course, that didn’t work out so well for the executive in question. I’m sure there are other instances, bipartisan in nature, but much less flashy and so they don’t generally make the papers. You might look up some old FBI agents or federal attorneys, who might comment upon some of their “unsolved” cases after a few beers . . .
And Kavanaugh confirmed to the Court of Appeals.
Gack!
Dirk Kempthorne also confirmed today as Interior Secretary.