
David Shuster had a catch-up report on Hardball this evening regarding the Fitzgerald investigation and Karl Rove's numerous trips to the grand jury. With all the tea leaf reading and big question asking that everyone has been doing surrounding this case, Shuster went to two former US Attorneys for some information and opinion/analysis.
And the word from both former USAttys wasn't good for Rove. In their opinion, at least, the fact that Rove has not yet been cleared, even after his unusual fifth appearance for testimony before the grand jury, is a sign that Fitzgerald is seriously considering indictment. I have to say, and it's not just wishful thinking on my part, I agree. Had Fitzgerald been swayed by Karl's last minute attempt as ass-saving maneuvers, he would have already let him off the hook.
But that hasn't happened.
According to Shuster, there are serious questions as to whether Fitzgerald believes Rove with regard to his testimony on the conversation with Matt Cooper. This is evidenced by how many times it has come up during questioning before the grand jury -- at least via the leaks we've had from Gold Bars Luskin and others on Team Karl. And it was something that Rove expressed to friends after his last round of testimony -- that the questioning was detailed and very thorough -- you don't bother with sharp questioning if you aren't very, very interested in the answers that you are given.
A big consideration for any prosecutor is whether a reasonable jury would find in the government’s favor at trial. You don't bring a case that you know is a loser -- at least not if you can help it. You either keep investigating until you nail the SOB, or you don't bring the case. The public doesn't need to have its time or its money wasted on a trial that is a loser from the start -- sometimes, it is to the state's advantage to press a difficult case, because the matter is that important or the stakes for the victim require it (it's true for a lot of child sexual abuse cases, where you have the word of a small child against an adult, and the odds are rarely in your favor in those cases...but you bring them anyway because it is important to the community.)
But where you have a choice, especially when you are dealing with a prosecution of a high level government official, that indictment needs to be solid and as airtight as you can make it. It's just the way things are, and I'm certain that Fitz and his team are being very, very careful to keep mistakes or missteps to a minimum as much as possible. Scrutiny of the case – being certain that it is thorough and that Fitz and his team feel confident that they can win at trial – is certainly a consideration.
Sol Wiesenberg, who was a part of the Starr investigation team, so he's no Democratic apologist said that Fitzgerald is likely going through chronologies and transcripts to be certain everything is in order prior to bringing charges. Wiesenberg says he thinks that if Fitz believes that Rove is guilty – even if it is only one count – then he believes that Fitz and his team will file the indictment for that one charge.
Here's the consideration as a prosecutor: if you are looking at a potential defendant, and you know in your gut that they have done something wrong -- that they have broken the law, that they are trying to get away with it -- you don't let them go. And you charge them with what they have earned, but even more so, you charge them with what is appropriate to their conduct and that you can prove straight up with a jury.
Compared to other independent counsel investigations, Fitz’s office is very small, Wiesenberg says. And everyone has other jobs in other offices -- Shuster played a clip from the Fitz press conference where Fitz is talking about having a full-time position in Chicago, his former chief investigator was the head of the Philly FBI, all the assistants working with him are from other US Attorney's offices. None of them are a full-time staff for this investigation, and his team consists of five total attorneys.
When you consider that, as well as the flurry of paperwork with which they have been hit by Team Irving (h/t to looseheadprop on that one), you begin to get a sense of the long, long days and nights that each of these people is working, don't you? And why this has taken time to meticulously be put together, piece by piece, all the while dealing with stalling and manipulation and who knows what else from those under investigation.
28 days after the last grand jury testimony is not a huge period of time. That's how long it has been since Rove testified and, honestly, in investigative terms for a federal prosecutor or even for a state one, that's not an enormous amount of time to track down all the loose ends, fit them into the whole of the narrative and see how that may or may not change your perspective on charging or not charging.
Shuster says that one thing is crystal clear in all of this: the investigation and focus on Rove continues. The only question at this point is whether it has shifted from "if" to "when?"
UPDATE: Raw Story has the full transcript from Hardball and the Shuster segment.
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ABCNews is reporting that the FBI is investigating Speaker Hastert wrt the Abramoff scandal.
Great Fitz fix!
Praying for Kobe. Can’t find anything in RC Canon law against it.
The interval between Rove’s last GJ appearance suggests he dug himself in even deeper with new lies.
Happiness is no anonymous sources.
The house Republican leadership is now asking for the return of the material confiscated during the FBI raid on Jefferson’s congressional office - based on the concept of constitutional separation of powers! Who knows? Looking back years from from now, this event could be the turning point.
Shuster is right: It isn’t if, it is just a question of when. Which I’ve been saying all along, but noooooooo, why believe an omniscient evil parallel universe…..enough of that.
Mary - BSD is defined at the end of the last thread. Did you mean German Shephard/Dachsund (which was funny)?
Okay, Mr. Smartie-Universe at 6… *g*
Seems like the Friday before a three day Memorial Day weekend would be an ideal time for the indictment. It would receive plenty of press coverage.
For LHP and Hilde, from the last thread:
A long, long time ago, back when viscious, negative campaigning wasn’t quite as accepted as it is now, I remember some pundit saying that it was the way campaigns had to go to differentiate themselves from opponents because there was so little difference in policies.
Perhaps the netroots cure to swiftboating might be found higher up in the process: getting candidates and platforms that are so substantive that nobody wants to dwell on the negatives. Just a (final) thought.
In an age of instant gratification this post went a long way in reminding that some things don’t just simply pop up because we want them to. I still have hopes that Jason was well informed and the timing of when the indictment/s were announced was the only thing off. Any bets on who will be Official A???
OfT: Maybe this is why Speaker Denny is so upset about the FBI showing up last weekend at Rep. Jefferson’s office and then carting away so much stuff?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl.....ficia.html
EPU’d answering EPU.
German Shepard Dog = GSD.
I do a double take everytime I see Granite’s abbrev - but I am a huge GSD fan in both categories, so it fits. ;-)
GSD is pretty commonly accepted in the “dogworld” of breeding and performance. BTW - how many know that GSDs are called Alsatians in the UK?
Friday would be a nice time, but Fitz doesn’t think about the media, he just thinks about the case. If it’s not Friday, it will be another day. But it will come.
Shuster has been pretty solid, not making random comments, reporting just the facts and giving background. Just the kind of thing they hate.
Talk to me Hugh!! Link?
P.S., “28 days after the last grand jury testimony is not a huge period of time.” How can you say that? It’s fo-o-o-o-r-e-e-e-v-e-r-r-r-r!! LOL
I’m not sure if this is related to the ABC report, the link is from Business Week, April 2005 on Hastert’s connection to Abramoff:
Denny Hastert’s Late Payment
“A long delay in paying for a fund-raiser at an eatery owned by scandal-plagued Jack Abramoff could prove embarrassing to a GOP Mr. Clean…”
“The house Republican leadership is now asking for the return of the material confiscated during the FBI raid on Jefferson’s congressional office - based on the concept of constitutional separation of powers!”
I don’t know, it might be a little late for them to be asserting their “powers” at this point! Quite laughable, really . . . LOL!
Oscarsmom TeddySanFran has a link at #11. I’m afraid I heard it the old fashioned way with my ears listening to TV.
This is my favorite part of the link at #11 (Thanks, TedSF):
Click here to read Brian Ross’ latest report on the bribery investigation into Rep. Jefferson.
Click here to see the charges on Abramoff’s AmEx Bill.
Click here to check out the bribe menu of convicted Congressman Duke Cunningham.
Click here to read Brian Ross’ story on Abramoff accepting a plea bargain.
Click here to read Brian Ross’ report on “Delay’s Lavish Island Getaway” arranged by Abramoff.
It just goes on, and on, and on, and on . . .
The leak of Plame’s status originated with Cheney. Bringing Cheney down would be the ultimate notch in Fitzgerald’s holster. Rove’s multiple appearances before the grand jury are consistent with someone who has made a deal. Can a lawyer please explain to me why it is impossible for Rove to have made such a deal?
HaHaHastert.
sometimes, it is to the state’s advantage to press a difficult case, because the matter is that important or the stakes for the victim require it
Hey Pat, one “victim” is our democracy … this guy is gaming it into extinction. There are also about 20,000 American victims in Iraq between the dead and wounded, and God knows how many more will get cancer from the depleted uranium. There’s also the small matter of Iran.
This is an ongoing victimization - the “stakes” require immediate action. You don’t wait to indict a serial killer until he kills again so you can get some more dirt on him. Furthermore, in the case of a politician, an indictment is nearly as effective as a conviction.
Christy, could you email me at df530 at bellsouth dot net? It looks like I might be taking late nite tonight and I have a couple of quick questions.
Darkblack, are you around? I might need to hit you up for an image.
Have been reading for 30 minutes getting caught up here and just had an opportunity to try out the refresh comments thingy … way COOL!
You can bet Fitz has a crack team of paralegals working their asses off doing all the grunt work. A big shout out to all you guys and gals from that office who might be reading this blog.(as I’m sure you are)I feel you. Help Fitz bring it on home!
Christie @ 7 - I was ready for that:
Then again, I don’t want to sound dismissive of any of the fine work of the Plamologists here and the guest posters and commentators, who have actually digested all the available information and have sought to interpret it for the masses.
I thought it was a great report by Shuster, thoughtful and well produced. It was also great at the end when he said”Spokespeople “PAID FOR” by Karl Rove insist that he will be cleared ” Was a highlight for me. It was made clear to the listener, that these spokespeople are paid by Rover to say whatever…I mean LIE…LOL
sunny #24…I AGREE 100%
EPU - lhp was asking about the BSD. I have the ____fortune to work with large groups of guys of all ages that it has been defined, in words and pictures ;-) me one several occasions.
BTW - I am only just catching up on some of the rumor-ing, but it occurs to me that the first batch of CIA pdbs were due on May 17 (I remembered mid=May and looked up the date). I do wonder if somehow involvement of Gonzales with regard to the possible assertion of privilege(s) to some of the CIA docs (they were supposed to be able to make those claims for consideration on a batch by batch basis) could be related to any of the rumors?
I know he is recused from supervising the Spec. Prosecutor, but I think he might still have the ability to assert privilege claims on behalf of the govt since he was never involved in a named party fashion and is less involved with Libby than with Rove. Maybe Gov moved in a sealed doc to quash the Libby discovery requests as to certain of the pdb or related docs and those bits and pieces - a secret filing, Gonzales, “quash”ing, etc. were jumbled together?
Just speculating.
Yes. The insertion of ‘paid for by Karl Rove’ seems new. Like maybe not only is Shuster secure in his reporting, but not taking shit.
Good to hear that Hastert is being investigated as well. Whatever happened to the Frist stock shenanigans?
I’m sorry to interrupt, but I suggest you check this out, or just save it for later when you want to spend some time. It is indescribable and easily one of the coolest things I have found anywhere on the web.
interactive thing
TRex at 22 — E-mail is on its way. If you don’t get it for some weird reason, e-mail me at ReddHedd at aol dot com. Thanks!
And thanks for pitching in while Jane heads back home to check on Kobe. I’ll update everyone as soon as I get news. Poor pooch — and poor Jane, she’s gonna be exhausted.
Here’s my logic train.
1) Rove was flummoxed by the latest grand jury appearance and we know there was new evidence (at the very least, emails)
2) That suggests Fitzgerald is going after more than just the perjury and false statements charges (note, there is almost no way Rove would have been able to lie this long without obstruction if not evidence tampering or suborning perjury)
3) But that “more” almost certain involves more people (see bullet 2)
4) Therefore it’s going to take some more time
Fitzgerald has the GJ actively pursuing the something more, having seen what ROve had to offer, but it’s going to take some time putting together that something more.
BK#29….I think some reporters, Shuster incl….are sick of Rove and Babs Comstock and their spinning liars. I have noticed that Shuster has been really letting loose lately, and being very clear in his language when he knows he is being spinned. Today Gold Bars Luskin said to Jeralyn and also a few others that he doesn’t know who Shuster has been talking to, when he says lawyers for Rove. Intimating that Shuster is lying….One thing I am 2000% sure of is that Shuster is NOT a liar. AN Gold Bars IS
Number 19, IANAL, but I know a couple…
I believe it is possible that Rove could have made a deal as you suggest or perhaps not. I think that Rove believes that he is the smartest guy in the room. He may also feel that he is getting in or has gotten in over his head. I read recently that the greater focus of the case is on busting the various players for lying about the crime rather than busting them on the actual crime itself. Ergo, Rove could have made a deal or Rove could be getting busted.
Christy, first a bit of wordsmithing - this sentence just isn’t working for me: Had Fitzgerald been swayed by Karl’s last minute attempt as ass-saving maneuvers,
Perhaps you meant “at ass-saving”?
Anyhow, on the substance of the story, I hadn’t realized that Fitzgerald was quite so short-handed. I knew he was only on the case part time, but just figured that someone in his office or offices could be dedicated to this task. Makes you wonder what they could do if he were able to.
emptywheel or someone…Clarification…Did I read that Rove and Gold Bars asked that Rove go back for #5 or di Fitz ask him to go back?
John Casper
“to a GOP Mr. Clean”
?!?!?!?
was that the same issue reporting Elvis selling off all his Dairy Queen shares to buy a jackaloupe farm ?!?!?!?
emptywheel - do we know for sure that the GJ has had a shot at the emails?
I wonder if there are any evidentiary battles on them - claims of privilege as with the pdbs etc - that are going on under seal? If so, awaiting resolution of them to finish the evidence proffer could be one hold up.
TRex - we’re all ears.
Franco, everything Shuster has said rings true. I don’t watch TV but when he’s linked or there’s video, I check that out. He reminds me of David Gregory at the WH. I love that he said that about paid shills for Rove, hope there’s video. What a statement about who he is and how he manages such things. Do you think he will have anyone providing character letters for him like Abramoff did? They will probably be just as lame and damning. “Karl always does an excellent job for me with my swiftboat campaigns, he really is a dedicated worker and I get great value for my bribe.”
Mary, why would Abu Gonzales be the one to get involved with the quashing? Couldn’t anyone from Justice do it? Wouldn’t he be doing something just a teensy bit out of step and obvious?
Not that that would stop him….
OT…But look at what the straight talker McCain is up to…IDIOT!
————————————–McCain’s DoubleTalk Express Rolls Into Dallas
May 17, 2006
Senator John McCain heads to Dallas, TX, tonight to raise money for his political action committee. Sam and Charles Wyly, who previously ran ads against McCain during the 2000 Presidential race and who are currently under Federal investigation for tax evasion, are members of the host committee. They are joined by Albert Huddleston and Harold Simmons, who together gave $3.1 million to the Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth. McCain, who called the Wyly brothers “sleazy” and “disgraceful” and the Swift Boat Veterans group “dishonorable”, will charge as much as $5,000 a head to attend tonight’s event.
“In 2000, McCain told the Wyly brothers to ‘take their dirty money back to Texas.’” said DNC spokesperson Amaya Smith. “Now, apparently, he’s found a new place for their dirty money - his own pocket. Unfortunately, it’s clear that John McCain will say and do anything to boost his presidential aspirations, including taking money from the same people he accused of funding ‘dishonest’ and ‘dishonorable’ attacks on a fellow veteran. Pretty soon, Americans are going to get tired of being taken for a ride on the DoubleTalk Express.”
more…
http://www.democrats.org/a/200.....oublet.php
Franco @ 43
Never trust a man who uses a spoon to eat his salad……
zennurse#41….I agree…Shuster is always so clear…but tonight with the addition of “Paid for” as an add-on was brilliant and revealing….I remember Shuster talking aout his time at Fox and how degrading an experience it was, he blasted Fox and was very honest about what they are up to there. (Not that we didn’t know it), but it was great to hear someone who left Fox because of their integrity, tell us about it.
Fitzgerald should have help. If Bush is so worried about “leaks”… he ought to give Fitz more help. Oh right! It’s only leakers who leak about Bush administration crimes that need to be investigated.
zennurse at 31: Is your link supposed to do anything? It just has some spinning wheel circling a 0%.
rusty @ 4:26 pm (#44) - I never trust a man who wears a belt and suspenders.
Rob Zuber– Frist was oh, so busy operating on the big chimp…
nothing to see here, except a DR. who owns huge shares in his family’s hospitals, has incredible diagnostic powers via teevee, and refuses to bring up stem cell research on the Senate floor.
blergh… big hairy well-toned biceps and all…
rusty….LMAO!
Franco @ 4:22 pm (#43) - I’ve lost a lot of respect for McCain in the last year or so. He seems to have become the thing he was opposed to.
Courtesy of Jeralyn here is a link to a 45 minute interview with Jason (I will out my sources) Leopold on Wisconsin Public Radio yesterday - after listening to the first two bedwetting callers, I almost felt sorry for Jason:
http://wpr.org/webcasting/idea.....m?Code=bme
curioser, there’s a download involved and you need shockwave, but it is a wonderful and continuous series of photographs that make you feel like you’re moving through a mirror. That is a truly terrible description of it, but I really think you’ll like it. Check your screen to see it it is asking you about downloads.
I hate them too but I caught this from driftglass, and it’s really cool.
this is just gross……
ABC News: Hastert fingered by Abramoff associates.
No wonder Hastert got religion re:Constitution and separation of powers after FBI raid on Jefferson’s office. He was squealing as if he was already in a cell with Bubba.
After drinking more grape Kool-Aid: the FBI raid makes no sense. They have Jefferson cold in an Abscam type sting. Why stir up a shit storm just to push back on the Dems:meme both parties have a few bad apples, etc.
I think the little psyco-Bush is really pissed at the House Repubs for starting to jump ship to win re-election. The Bush “jokes” about low poll numbers and Laura wasn’t available, so I’m here, are not funny to GWB.
Rove and NSA have the dirt and the FBI raid was the reminder. Frist, remember the SEC? Hastert remember DeLay? I think Rove is reminding the boys that the penalty of being too politically cute and independent is 20 years with Bubba without K-Y.
Gosh, emptywheel has a group at her site analyzing every word, column, comment, and induendo. Took me two hours to read it all. She is earning Karl Rove’s indictment for us.
I love the pic, btw– tis perfect!
Cujo#50……I never had much respect for him…but now NADA, ZILCH, NUTTIN…what is so incredible to me, He is being hosted by people who are under investigation for tax evasion…which could lead to indictment, then what?…I believe that these ReThugs just think they are invincible and all this stuff will not come back to bit em’ in the ass…..The arrogance is mind-blowing!
Does anyone know what has happened over at Wolcott’s house? If you check in here tonight, Mr. W, we’re a little worried.
You guys are pretty quiet on the Hardball front tonight. Tweety not being his usual twitching self?
I’m all aboard the emptywheel train. More, more, and more. Mucho, mui more. He’s gonna get it all. And, I’m patient. For now.
McCain. Freak.
He actually gives me the creeps.
Gwen Ifill is so not hiding her disdain for Dems these days. Every question she put to the guests about Gore’s film was a twisted sidewinder intended to blunt the whole impact of what Gore is doing. Simp.
zennurse -
That little interactive link is zenful. Thanks.
good to see you…
I must say, zennurse wrt Tweety’s show, knowing a thing or two about George Allen a while ago, he was not truthful in his self id as a maverick and out of the mainstream. He was a racist.
Franco @ 4:35 pm (#57) - Actually, McCain used to act as though he didn’t need those people, and now he’s courting them. My interpretation is that McCain thinks he can’t win without them, and winning is now more important than being his own man. If I’m right about this, it’s a pretty sad change.
See, dem Congresscritters didn’t realise dat when Abu said the Preznint can do…well, he can do whatever the $#@%& he wants they didn’t realize that that awsome power extended to everybody in the executive branch.
Gotta read dat fine print there fellas…
rusty @53 - LMAO!
Ol’60 grit Kate is on tweety now….I just can’t watch her
what’s worse, Franco– ole 60 grit has a motor in that stinky sink hole of a mouth. WHIRRRR, GRIIIIND, SPPPPIIIN.
Franco >”…I just can’t watch her”
Hang in there because Keith O will be on in a few minutes
“The future will be a struggle between huge competing systems of psychopathology.” - J. G. Ballard
Steve 54 - it could be that, or it could be the opposite. Maybe the FBI have some things in their sites that would make accessing some other Congressional offices, computers, etc. very advantageous for other prosecutions — but they are Republican and powerhouse offices. Best way to establish the pattern and lay the groundwork might be to start with a really dirty — obviously caught on tape big $$ dirty — Dem.
If that goes ok, then it paves the way for accessing other Republican offices. It’s a way I would think about handling it if, say, I wanted at Frist’s computer for evidence. Just dreamy and not too hopeful spec.
This follows Marianas Islands to Hastert. And Oval Office.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/....._0201.html
BK- I’m so glad you liked it!
I have to link them when I see them or I forget.
zennurse -
something similar out of maybe FSU Tallahasee. Runs as animation starting at the edge of the Milky Way and advancing in 10x increments to the inside of leaf on the FSU campus. Don’t have bookmark, desole.
Googling might find it…
Is there salt in the air tonight?
I think the Republicans in Congress are scared of something tangible, not an abstract “separation of powers.” When I lived in Chicago a while back, there was a big investigation of federal judges on suspicion of bribery. They got a sharp judge from Downstate who was coming to Chicago as a temp (one of several who rotated in to reduce a backlog of cases) to play the “hick-in-the-big-city” while wearing a wire, and they got everything on tape. I would assume they also did some investigating of the paperwork lying around the judge’s office somewhere along the way.
Funny, but no one in Congress screamed about separation of powers then.
Of course, if Hastert & Co are right, then Jefferson’s mistake (assuming he’s guilty) was not that he took a bribe, but that he didn’t keep the cash in the FBI-proof freezer AT THE OFFICE!
zen - two answers. Re: the CIA pdbs - if you are going to be asserting privilege and state secrets or other items, to start with you do have a more limited pool of lawyers who have all the clearances to see everything to which you will be asserting the privilege. They might need to be making in camera arguments about not just the legal theories of privilege or protection, but having to get into the nuts and bolts of specifics as to how the docs fit into that scheme. CIA counsel might be involved, but the privilege is usually for the Executive to assert, not the agency, and here with the pdbs being near the top of the classified food chain, I think the most standard response would be for the AG to be involved in the response to the requests. The thing that is unusual is that he is recused for supervisory matters, so technically he might need to have that decision delegated on to McNulty - but again, you are talking about broadening ever more widely the crew who gets access to the pdbs or summaries then - and I would think as a general matter, agencies and courts are not going to want to require that unless they have to.
Re: the emails - there I think his input may be more evidentiary. He was WH counsel then and was the one who supposedly set the parameters for what should be turned over. I think when you have 250 emails then **appear** later, after not having been “correctly archived” that even if you have some privilege assertions you have explain for a judge how it all came to be.
Boy, I can’t manage the emptywheel minutiae about maiden names and W2 forms. But the strategy discussion is interesting.
I want to echo something mentioned upthread about the investigation into Frist’s hospital gambit, I sure would like to see some movement on that before the election. Didn’t someone link yesterday to a piece that siad the DOJ is involved in 2000 investigations of politicians at all levels of government? Or did I read it somewhere and carelessly not link it? I guess my feeling is that, even if this is the case, the congressional and administration investigations are crucial because of the upcoming election. If there are going to be a bunch of increasingly disruptive investigations and indictments, I’d like to see them happen sooner so we can find some kind of level before we pitch the chimp and his big buddy.
Thanks BK, I’ll look for it.
Mary, as always, you answer and give a perfect explanation. How are your horses?
Forgot your question, BK, I took a short drive around Cape Ann today, visited the rocky shore and the beaches. The smell of the lilacs mixed with the salty sea is glorious, I love, love, love it. I grew up in south Fla and have only had one short time in my teens when I spent 6 months away from the ocean. I don’t think I’ve ever lived more than 5 miles away in my life.
al-Scooter way back at 3:46:
Thanks for sharing the comment and insight. My first thought was back to the FDL post on JFK award (Christy’s post? Confessing to laziness so will not search and link right now). That post compelled me to read JFK’s and RFK’s speeches for the jillionth time and further convinced me that the only way out of this swamp in which we seem hopelessly mired is to select and support candidates who will rise above the din, whose very policies elevate the discourse.
Balls are a crucial ingredient, of course. I’m old enough to remember the Kennedy brothers (the older ones) and know, through my dad’s work for the feds, that while they were both given to deep reflection and broad understanding, they were also fucking ruthless bastards when they felt the situation required ruthlessness.
I’ve read the arguments WRT Clinton’s actions during BJ-gate. That admitting to anything as nasty-ass as receiving a BJ from a young woman would have killed any political capital he had remaining. But I still contend that by playing along, he unintentionally encouraged those who practice swift-boating and ratfucking. Why? Because it worked at the highest level in the most public of arenas.
All this to say, I agree with you al-Scooter. But I’m still pondering how or even if we can counteract the evil tricks while working hard to put in office those who appeal to our better angels.
Alas, I’m rambling. And off topic. Apologies. And still sending best wishes to the ailing pooches of our wonderful Jane and Mrs. K8.
Also, Mary, I love the idea of Abu explaining the missing emails, with his smarmy doubletalk. I doubt he can pull that off with this judge.
Sorry for the double post, folks (and both are sitting in moderation). When I clicked to post the first one, the screen refreshed and my comment disappeared with no “moderation” note, so I typed it again, and of course now BOTH are in moderation. Sorry for the glitch, and if someone wants to delete one of them before it gets up, that’s fine with me.
Found it:
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/pr.....owersof10/
Any chance that Gonzalez has tried to put the kabosh on the Rove indictment and is hiding this conflict with Fitzgerald behind the ubiquitous State Secrets Doctrine of the Bush Administration?
Wow…this new posting IS frustrating. I’ve had several comments disappear and some that won’t post over the last two days. It’s gotten so bad, as I type, I don’t know if I am wasting my time. Oh well…patience kiddo…patience.
Any chance that Gonzalez has tried to put the kabosh on the Rove indictment
No.
zennurse -
I can almost smell it. Nice little road trip to take. Paint me jealous.
Dana Milbank on KO busy spinning for republicans:
Saying Hastert may be getting a bum rap on his FBI search hypocrisy - even though Denny is being investigated for ties to Abramoff, most of the republicans and a LARGE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS are tied to Abramoff through the money chain.
Typical WaPo *sshole - AGAIN!
If you feel like it, please write Keith and advise him to DUMP MILBANK!
countdown@msnbc.com
David Schuster is yummy.
Rob Zuber@ 82 - Are you sure???
Too many notes and rumors about Sealed vs. Sealed for my confort level. I don’t want to be guilty of buying into a conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up… let’s just say I’m nervous.
Any word on Kobe?
It so good to hear that everyone is catching on to McCain. Until this year, I have heard a lot of Dems say they were “McCain Democrats” and I still cannot figure out what that means. I am representated by two great ones McCain & Kyl.[snark]
McCain is loosing his base in AZ. First, AZ is changing, it is turning more blue, the libertarians are very PO’ed with BushCo for a number of issues (Iraq war, Debt and Spying) and the old line Conseratives are PO’ed and now willing to say they will vote for Democrats for the first time in their lives.
Hilde 76 - spot on wrt the Clinton cock hunt. It worked brilliantly for the repukes, and keeps on giving - it has rendered impeachment untenable for the actual crimes of an immediate successor.
We talked earlier today about impeachment; if Cheney leaves office and Chimpy’s impeached, then Hastert (for now) would become President. Of course, if Hastert is crippled by the Abramoff FBI investigation and has left the Speakership, but the House has yet to choose a new Speaker, next in line for the Presidency is President Pro Tempore of the Senate (wait for it….)
Ted Stevens (R-Bridge to Nowhere).
As Truman Capote quoted a longago proverb: More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones, so be careful what you wish for….
I would love nothing more than to see McCain clinging helplessly to the wizened, dying, discredited, universally hated, about-to-crack-off limb of the ChimpCheneyFascCo tree. God that guy’s a pussy and a half (with all apologies to respectworthy girl parts). I swear he makes even Rape G Joe look like a paragon of integrity.
I may be that Shuster’s addition of the ‘paid for by Karl Rove’ tag is a direct response to Luskin’s ‘I don’t know who he’s talking to’ bullshit.
If emptywheel is correct about ‘ eat me’ and more-is coming and it’s a lot bigger then I think we need to expand the narrative by moving from the ‘ CIA leaks case’ and ‘ Plamegate’ hooks over to ‘ Yellowgate’.
The Yellowgate story begins with the stalled race to war in 2002. Antiwar.com tracks this quite well as do some other news clippings and commentary sites. The first half of the ‘ Big Lie’ technique gets wheeled out in Sept because you don’t roll out new product in August ( Card)
This half of a binary weapon of mass deception is ‘ Judies little tubes of terror’ ( Huffpo post ) And this is why Yellowgate is bigger than Plamegate - Yellowgate snares Condi Rice. Rice is out there selling bald faced lies about tubes attacking America. Most ‘ CIA Leaks case’ stories leave out 2002 but that is half the story. Tubes by themselves mean little. Tubes need yellowcake fed into them. Follow the yellowcake road and you not only take down Bushs brain ( That turd Rove) and Bush’s balls ( that turd Cheney) but wicked witch of the west.
This scenario leaves Rumsfeld and the chimperor as two monkees on a rock. How we take them down shall be the subject of my next post.
Shark, the babe:
At the time, I would have given my left nut… no make that my left ovary and my eyeteeth if Bill had said during a nationally televised address: Yeah, I did her. I nailed her. It was stupid and irresponsible and I ask for your forgiveness. But it’s a peronsal matter for my family and I to resolve. So let’s all turn our attention back to the work of governing the nation, shall we?
Does anyone know how to email my support for Shuster? I looked around the MSNBC web site but found no direct contact info. Anyone got his email address? If I must, I’ll snail mail him. That “Paid Rove spokesman” was fabulicious.
K.O. just noted that today is the birthday of Marat, a leader in the French Revolution who did awful things like draw up lists of insufficiently revolutionary folk and also tried to get telephone lists from Quest ! He actually said that!
If anyone finds a way to contact Schuster directly I, too, would be interested….
Apropos of nothing, finally listening to new Dixie Chicks which I downloaded from itunes today. It’s all good but man, there’s a song called Lullaby that’s unbelievable in its simple singsong sexiness.
Thanks, Christy, for clearing up my double post (see 72) - it’s been a busy day for you!
professor rat @ 92
I recently saw a story about a sloth bear in a zoo that ate a little chimp for dinner. wonder if a sloth bear would gorge on rummy and chimpy?
i have nothing against zoo chimps……..
This was listed at the bottom of an MSNBC blog entry earlier this spring:
Comments, questions, questions for the blogcast: DShuster@msnbc.com
Blank Kludge, muchas gracias for Shuster’s addy.
zennurse, the link is astounding. Thanks for sharing.
sorry, blog entry from Mar 2005…
Hil the de :), 93 - god yes I was BESIDE myself the entire time watching him actually submit to such bizarre spectacle. It was his own fault from the get by not kicking Iran-Contra asses into jail and allowing such horseshit as Nannygate to have actual life.
TeddySanFran @89
You’re correct about the order of succession, but that assumes that they are all “overlapping”. If Cheney steps down, let’s say for health reasons or whatever, then Bush will nominate a succesor. Yes that person would need approval (I think its by the Senate), but that’s also controlled by Republicans. Perhaps the Dems can fillibuster if its a really lousy nominee, but I don’t know if the Senate rules allow it in that situation. Sad to say, even if they do I’m not terribly confident in the Dems to show enough spine to mount a fillibuster or other strong response.
The reason I bring that up is that its certainly in the realm of possibility that that new VP could be in line to take over for a resigning Bush (if it gets to that point). For that matter, he could also wind up pardoning Bush/Cheney/Rove/etc under the guise of “moving the country forward” or similar excuse. A very similar scenario got Ford in as VP when Spiro Agnew resigned ahead of upcoming indictments for bribery. Ford then pardoned Nixon, who resigned rather than face impeachment.
If the Dems take a chamber (likely House) and start subpoenas and hearings on the present administration … well, this just might be their worst case “escape” scenario. It would probably work too.
Sloth bear or Skeletor?
New name’s for Rummy?
He outranks the little chimp and is bigger than him too. And then there was one. Dr Doom.
Another wednesday with no frog march. Next potential frogmarch day-friday. This is gettin boring. Come on Fitzy- DO something!
Bit by bit all the upgrading here is settling in and getting good. I’m one of the patient ones. Wherever you are Jamie, you’re wonderful and continuing thanks.
On CBS this evening, Gloria Borger reported that Republicans were so upset about the raid on the Hill that they were considering asking for Gonzales’ resignation.
Yeah, just think about that for a minute…
I heard Shuster’s report just before I got to the gym, and loved his “paid for by Karl Rove” dig. Also thought the report made all kinds of sense, and confirmed what a lot of us have been thinking/saying since the last GJ appearance.
As anxious as I am for Rove to get his just deserts, I also see the pages coming off the daily calendar, getting closer to November. I think we’re looking at mid-June - but that’s just a wild guess. I just don’t see this going too far into the summer.
Rove and Plato — That is my favorite cartoon! I have had it on my refrigerator for a few years now since it continues to be a perfect metaphor for what is going on with Rove at the helm of this dishonest adminsitration. I keep waiting for Rove to get what he deserves….. Hopefully our patience will be rewarded some day soon.
TeddySanFran #95
I found another e-mail address for David Shuster - I googled him and found it at, of all places, FREEPERVILLE! It’s hilarious how much the wingnutsos HATE this guy - ha ha!
This is what they said:
The website gives Shuster’s email as DShuster@msnbc.com, but that’s the “dump box” for the little people. His true email address, which he actually reads and uses for his daily work, is
david.shuster@msnbc.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....4050/posts
‘It’s a sunni day, let’s stop the bullshiite’
;>)
Power up, Kobe.
Does Matthews tout his ‘Hardblogger’ blog site on the show?
Found Shuster’s addy w/his blogging on Schiavo.
Fresh entries are by a variety of ‘All-Stars’ - like Shrum…
Shuster addy found here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7013421/
Olbermann just had O’Reilly as Worst Person, which is no surprise, but they used the voice of Stewie from Family Guy to issue some putdowns.