
Total Contracts in Iraq: $2,829,833,859 (Center for Public Integrity)
The heavy construction conglomerate Bechtel is a major player in the post-Iraq money pit. Sadly, Bechtel's headquarters are based in my native Bay Area -- San Francisco to be exact -- often drawing those damn tree-huggin', pot smokin' California hippies. The company was started in 1898 by Warren A. Bechtel and is currently in its fourth generation of Bechtel leadership. It worked with other companies on a number of projects, including the Hoover Dam and the Bay Bridge, both completed in 1936, and several decades later, the Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) rail system. (To make BART riders feel safe, this is the same company that, in 1977, constructed a nuclear reactor backwards in California.)
Bechtel is among the most politically connected companies in the country. It enjoyed ties to several prominent politicos, including two former presidents (Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan), and two officials that served in both administrations (Caspar Weinberger and George Schultz), among many others. The company had a number of political connections into the Central Intelligence Agency through John McCone, a San Francisco native, who became CIA Director in 1961 under President Kennedy. Dr. Carroll Pursell wrote a book review that concisely showed the political ties outlined in the 1989 Laton McCartney work Friends in High Places: The Bechtel Story - The Most Secret Corporation and How It Engineered the World that appeared in the July 1989 issue of Technology and Culture, Volume 30, Number 3:
Bechtel was able to make these delicate arrangements because the family had "friends in high places," as the title has it. John McCone, for example, was a classmate of Steve Bechtel at the engineering school of the University of California. They were later business partners, and McCone, of course, became director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Henry Kearns, a former Pasdena car salesman, who was appointed president of the Export-Import Bank by President Nixon, introduced Bechtel (who was on the bank's advisory committee) to other administration officials including Labor Secretary George Schultz and the director of the Office of Management and Budget, Casper Weinberger. Shultz, of course, became president of the Bechtel Corporation and Weinberger its general counsel.
Another political ally of Bechtel is through the Bush family. After losing a senatorial bid to Lloyd Bentsen, George H.W. Bush was, what else, rewarded with an ambassadorship to the United Nations, and later headed the RNC during the Watergate scandal. Under Gerald Ford, Bush led the CIA for 355 days and, tell me if you've heard this before, is credited with "helping to restore morale at the CIA while director of the agency." I suppose his time as director was one of "transition." As Vice President during the Iraq-Iran War under Reagan, Bush, along with former Bechtel execs and Republican allies, tried to persuade the Ex-Im Bank to finance a pipeline that would, as a result, give the billion dollar contract to Bechtel. Jack Calhoun wrote in the May/June 1992 issue of Middle East Report, Number 176:
An Iraqi-proposed oil pipeline provides a specific example of how the Reagan administration mustered all forces, including Vice President Bush, to intervene with the Ex-Im Bank on Baghdad's behalf. The Bechtel Corporation had secured a $1 billion contract to build the pipeline, which would have allowed Iraq to pump oil directly from Iraq to the Jordanian port of Aqaba on the Red Sea, thus bypassing war-damaged Iraqi oil terminals in the Persian Gulf. The Ex-Im bank refused to provide credit. Secretary of State George Schultz, a former Bechtel executive (as was then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger), wrote to the US Embassy in Baghdad in a March 25, 1984, telex saying, "We have urged EXIM to reconsider this policy in general . . . ." Then CIA director William Casey, Attorney General Edwin Meese and Vice President Bush all participated in the effort to lobby the Ex-Im Bank to finance the Aqaba pipeline project. The State Department prepared a background paper for Bush's use in telephoning Ex-Im Bank head William Draper. One of the talking points in the June 12, 1984, paper emphasized the crucial role of the Ex-Im Bank in "our efforts in the region." The Ex-Im Bank board of directors succumbed to the administration's pressure, approving a preliminary $484 million commitment for the Aqaba pipeline project at its June 19, 1984, meeting. A margin note in the meeting minutes indicated that "[u]nder normal peaceful circumstances, this project would not be economically viable."
Bush also pushed Ex-Im Bank to approve $200 million in 1987, and got it.
"Could it be that a call from the vice president could sway the Ex-Im Bank board into reversing its policy on Iraq?" Gonzalez asked. "Given the very severe doubts about Iraq's financial condition it is hard to draw any other conclusion."
Friends in high places, indeed. Which brings us to Bush Junior and his misadventure in Iraq. In April 2003, CBS News reported that Bechtel received a major reconstruction contract worth as much as $680 million. The San Francisco Chronicle said it was the first major reconstruction contract in Iraq awarded. Bechtel subcontracted workers' safety to two British firms - ArmorGroup and Olive Security - though details were not disclosed, reported the San Francisco Chronicle on April 30. The following month, the Chronicle reported that Bechtel hired an Iraqi firm as part of a transportation contract, joining American and British companies. In September, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Bechtel's contract was expanded by $350 million. The next month, the New York Times reported that Bechtel had garnered GOP support for tax breaks:
The Bechtel Corporation, which hired a former commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service to lobby on its behalf, has won support from House Republicans for what could be a generous new tax break. The tax break, which will be taken up on Tuesday by the House Ways and Means Committee, was originally intended to help shore up factory jobs in the United States by reducing the corporate tax rate for domestic manufacturers to 32 percent from 35 percent. But the bill now includes a provision sought by Bechtel, an engineering conglomerate that is also one of the biggest recipients of government contracts for Iraqi reconstruction, that would reduce taxes on "architectural and engineering services." The new provision would also benefit the Halliburton Company, whose previous chief executive was Vice President Dick Cheney and which now has a Pentagon contract to repair the Iraqi oil infrastructure. The Fluor Corporation, which recently won a $102 million contract to work on Iraq's electrical system, would receive a tax reduction as well.
A story surfaced in December 2003 that Bechtel was accused of shoddy work as fluorescent lights were falling off the ceilings at Iraqi schools under a contract to build over 1,200 schools in three months. (I am not sure this is what Laura Ingraham had in mind when she complained that schools were not getting coverage.)
Three months later, Bechtel received a $1.8 billion contract, as reported in the January 7, 2004 article in the Boston Globe:
Under the new contract, Bechtel will continue work similar to what it is already doing with its other contract, for $800 million, in Iraq: repairing roads, power grids, water supplies, schools, and ports and airports. A USAID spokesman said $1 billion from the new contract would go to rehabilitate Iraq's power networks, damage to which has led to chronic electrical shortages that inhibit coalition efforts to stabilize Iraq and rebuild its economy. Another $210 million will be spent on the country's shattered water and sanitation facilities, and about $109 million will be earmarked for road repair.
It pays to have friends in high places, $2,829,833,859 to be exact.
[This article is cross-posted at The Great Society]
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Oh Fitz!
Lamont by a mile!
Does that make 4?
Matt O!
Another great article with your usual fine style and comprehensive research.
Fitzco inferno!
So nice to have a chance to breathe, relax and hang here with you world-changing knuckleheads!
Now I am really depressed. Thanks.
Matt O, your intelligence and incisiveness radiates like a stove. Gives me chills.
Could these kids actually save our sorry race.
BECHTEL = Di FEINSTEIN
Sisters/Brothers
I know now, We Can…
I didn’t see a post about it, so I’m wondering if Jane and Christy have seen these yet?
Fitzgerald’s 5-19 brief
http://americablog.blogspot.com/fitzmay19.pdf
Libby’s 5-19 brief
http://americablog.blogspot.com/libbymay19.pdf
Students, Activists Bike to Bechtel Intl Headquarters, Shut Down Building for 45 Minutes
http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/05/1820925.php
Blood money. Can’t call it anything else. I mean, what else would you call the money you earn from work generated by a war that didn’t need to be fought?
Now they’ve got to keep the cash machine going, and that does not bode well for the future.
Of course, there will be money to be made on the border wall - another boondoggle if I ever saw one. The timing was convenient, as it always is.
These people make me sick.
rwcole, thanks for 156 last thread. that dude is visionary, not surprised at all at his latest.
& what Anne 12 said. There is no hell hot enough.
I have never ceased to be disgusted by Republican antipathy towards personal welfare, and their unreserved embrace of corporate welfare. At the end of the day,this the division between Democrat and Repugs, and democracy and fascism.
Good post, Matt.
For a look a Bechtel’s big brother, check out
http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html
and
http://www.bushwatch.com/bushcarlyle.htm
Wanna know why Bush greenlighted the Dubai Ports deal?
http://www.correntewire.com/bu.....appalachia
Thought this one was pretty funny- so did my (german) wife. Anyone who has consumed budweiser- AND real beer- will know where the germans are coming from:
Europe
The Times May 20, 2006
Germany’s beer lovers can already taste defeat
From Roger Boyes in Berlin
IT IS brown-gold and alcoholic but, then, in the scathing verdict of German beer fans, so is paint thinner.
The Germans are furious that Budweiser will be the official tipple for the World Cup, which starts next month. The American lager has secured a near-monopoly of beer sales inside World Cup stadiums and within a 500m radius of the grounds, supplanting more than 1,270 domestic breweries.
And what most upsets the fans is that Budweiser — advertised as the “King of Beers” in the US — fails to meet the ancient German standards for purity, which stipulate that beer can be brewed only from malt, hops and water. Budweiser uses rice in its production process and therefore does not qualify as a beer in the German sense.
Budweiser’s World Cup status is a slap in the face for a country that attaches such importance to beer production. When Germany was a patchwork of principalities and duchies, a sponsored brewery was seen as the stamp of in- dependence. German pride at hosting the tournament is being dented by the fierce marketing of the American beer.
“Most pubs don’t even stock it,” groaned Walter König, of the Bavarian Breweries’ Association. “Bavarian beer should be available in a Bavarian stadium — Munich — for the first kick-off. But what can we do? Budweiser paid $40 million for the concession even before Germany had been chosen to host the tournament.”
Franz Maget, a Bavarian Social Democrat, has entered the fray, calling Budweiser “the worst beer in the world”.
This is more than a slanging match between brewers — it has become a kind of guerrilla warfare for trademark lawyers. One German beer, Bitburger, will now be allowed some sales space in the stadiums. Since the Czech brewery Budweiser Budvar, which makes a stronger brew, contests the right of the Americans to use the name Budweiser in Germany, only the name “Bud” can be displayed outside stadiums
Sharkbabe- yer welcome!
This is one reason the Army hates the Bush Admin. The military follows their orders from a sense of duty with a little pay thrown in. These contractors are raking it in where the Army Corp of Engineers used to do it with pride without billions thrown in for profit. The must feel like chumps watching this corruption go on unhindered while they risk their lives for pennies.
War profiteering is a win/win for the Democrats (except Feinstein). They must attack this bloody boondogle and show it up for what it is. The Europeans I talked to could not believe that Americans had been convinced something for the public good could be done cheaper (and more effeciently without oversight? God, what bullshit!) by adding a profit. Its not privatization, its “profitization”. Public money for costs, private well-connected rich fucks keep the profits. What a scam.
These people are the scum of the earth.
Editorial comment:
In american parlance “stronger brew” means “beer you can taste”. Most americans assume that if you can taste it- at all- the beer has more alcohol- which of course is not the case.
Bechtel
Bechtel–sounds like a belching smokestack- Proud polluters of the universe.
interestingly enough, Karl Marx in Das Kapital used beer consumption per person as one measure of the changes in quality of life in Germany in olden times . . . economists do love their statistics!
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When I read this kind of info, there are 2 sites that I always check to follow up- RightWeb and SourceWatch.
Here is the main link for SourceWatch. http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....ourceWatch For whatever reason, individual pages don’t show up when the link is posted. So, to see this, you have to got to the main link, and then type in Bechtel in the search box.
===Bechtel Connections
With Bin Laden Group
Jane Mayer of The New Yorker writes about the connections of Bechtel, the Bin Laden Group/family, and Bush, and past, administration officials, “The bin Ladens have a ten-million-dollar stake in the Fremont Group, a San Francisco-based company formerly called Bechtel Investments, which was until 1986 a subsidiary of Bechtel. The Fremont Group’s Web site, which makes no mention of the bin Ladens, notes that ‘though now independent, Fremont enjoys a close relationship with Bechtel.’ Mayer further writes, “One Fremont director, Riley Bechtel, is the chairman and chief executive officer of the Bechtel Group, and is a member of the Bush administration: he was appointed this year to serve on the President’s Export Council. In addition, George P. Shultz, the Secretary of State in the Ronald Reagan Administration, serves as a director both of Fremont and of the Bechtel Group, where he once was president and still is listed as senior counsellor.” [2]==
At one time, every american city had several high quality breweries- and every neighborhood had a high quality bakery. Sometime between the end of prohibition and the end of world war 2 that all changed.
Americans would be just happy as clams with “balloon bread” and “american lager” two american inventions in which every ounce of taste and texture were wrung out of the products in an attempt to “sanitize” the crap and make it as inoffensive as possible. Americans have led the world in the insipid food movement- something that is only now beginning to be corrected.
Mass produced corporate tripe- it is our “niche” in world marketing.
Blech! tell it to the judge.
Unfortunately, Matt, Bechtel is also used as a teaching aid in business school, exemplifying the proto-typical “matrix” organizational structure. There aren’t many models of global matrix organizations of any long-term “success”.
Gah.
Wilson–Must have fallen asleep long before I got to Karl’s beer statistics. Pity.
Loved the labor theory of value though!
Bechtel again
Apparently the US senate scored a major victory by declaring English to be the official language of the United States. No word yet on what the wise senators mean by this declaration- but watch out chinese food restuarants.
Wonderbread, Bud, Europeans–looks like we got us a good ole America sux thread goin’ on here…
I see your MacDonald’s and raise you a pasteurized Brie
Czech out the real Budweiser
Duvel is the real king of beers, but you’ve got to make sue you don’t pour the yeast into the glass too as it ruins it.
http://www.duvelusa.com/
punaise 30 - I bought a case of that Czech beer a few years ago and it’s just as bad as Bud.
Thanks, Matt, that’s an amazing post. The utter lawlessness of it is shocking — they seem to operate under the notion that the law is something that needs to be written for their benefit, rather than anything they have to follow.
And I agree, it’s win-win for the Democrats dragging this out into the sunlight. I know they’re all afraid of being Daschled by the big money a Bechtel can bring to bear against them but enough is enough, and I think we effectively reached that point quite some time ago.
Geez, there I was talking to Norske on the last thread and eveyone left.
Shooogarp @ 4:14 pm (#6) - If there’s a bright side to this, it’s that the corruption is mostly at the top. In my experience with the defense industry, there’s an old boys’ network that has far too much influence over the contracting process. It’s not just at the Presidential or SecDef level, it often goes down to the folks who run individual agencies. Even there, it’s not so much a pay-to-play thing as just knowing the right people.
At the lower levels, the worst thing you usually see is the sort of laziness and stupidity you’d expect to see when people don’t have to prove their value. Most everyone works within the rules, and the rules are designed to prevent the sort of low-level graft and corruption you might see in some governments. In short, the civil service and most contract personnel are professionals, and they do their best to do a good job. Whenever I worked with my counterparts in other agencies or departments, there was never an expectation that some palms would have to be greased before I’d get what I needed. Our arguments, when we had them, were about matters of budget, responsibility, and technical concerns.
It may seem like I’m damning the process with faint praise, but I’ve seen enough about countries in Eastern Europe or Africa to know that I couldn’t have worked there in the way I worked for the DoD and gotten anything done.
What this means is that the problem isn’t cultural. It exists at the top, and so it can probably be managed if enough citizens are willing to pay attention. It’s a tall order, but compared to trying to fix a government from top to bottom, it’s easy.
I just came from a meeting where I heard that Bechtel refused to pay its hazardous waste tax in California and had to be taken to court.
Is that pathetic or what?
We need to get the hell out and then we give the Iraqis the money so they can rebuild their own country…the way they want to, with their own sweat and love of country. Our corporations have no business there or in Afghanistan. It sickens me that we are enriching these corrupt and thieving corporations while people are sick and dying, broken, starving, jobless, hopeless, hot, cold, and thirsty.
Get out, apologize, pay for the damage done to the landscape and infrastructure, seek forgiveness for the uncounted dead. Then impeach the criminals and off to trial for war crimes.
And then get about the business of making peace! Then we maybe should start fixing our country’s broken infrastructure, educational system, health care system and election system.
oh, and thank you Matt for a great post!
rwcole @ 4:59 pm (#28) - When they start speaking english in Washington I’ll take this stuff seriously. The language they speak has the structure and cadence of english, but none of the words seem to mean what they do in the dictionary.
Goes to show that there’s more than one way to get the signals crossed.
twolf1 32 - I recall occasionally quaffing Czech Bud in Italy some 20+ years ago on a student’s budget. It was no worse than the Italian beer!
Jane- isn’t Matt O. so amazing!
I am intrigued by the Bin Laden connection from SourceWatch (#22), though being a committed tin foil hat wearer only in certain contexts, I don’t know what to make of it. Anyone?
sandra y says 36 - exxon hasn’t paid their fines for the Valdez spill yet. It’s cheaper to fight it - especially when you have an oil-man (and i use the term ‘man’ loosely) in office
Pilsner Urquell- a famous Czech brew- is regarded by many as the best beer of it’s type in the world
I like Pilsner Urquell…
It’s a Family Affair, It’s a Family Affair:
Sly Bechtel is privately held, so they don’t have to disclose nearly as much financial stuff as a publicly traded corp.
rwcole @ 4:42 pm (#14) - Franz Maget, a Bavarian Social Democrat, has entered the fray, calling Budweiser “the worst beer in the world”.
I’ll bet Franz has never had a Coors.
Great work, Matt. You’re a factastic addition to the FDL community!
“Franz has never had a Coors”
And never will if his luck hold out.
the
23 breweries i am currently addicted to:Avery
Dogfish Head
Flying Dog
pun- thanks for the perspective. I figured out that Bechtel was privately held, when I tried to find a stock symbol for them, say, to compare with HAL. But, I didn’t get it as to the advantages you mention about being privately held. Thx.
Cujo359 46 - I didn’t know Coors was considered beer?
OT, but actually a subtext for all we are doing and talking about. I recommend everyone read the article by Jean Rohe, who spoke truth to power to John McCain last night at the New School commencement. Between that and Lamont’s showing, I am feeling more hopeful than I have in a very long time. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....21358.html
factastic addition
Pach- what a great turn of phrase. So true about Matt O.
twolf1 @ 5:17 pm (#51) - I don’t remember what it said on the label the last time I saw one, but it might have been “beer food”.
processed beer food
some Bechtel info, longish, but necessary to know for this story. they are making billions doing shoddy work all over the globe…
[part of Bechtel’s tens of Billions of non-competitive contracts in Iraq],
“…one of Bechtel’s earliest priorities was to ensure the provision of potable water supplies to the population of southern Iraq in the first 60 days of the program. However, one year later, there is little evidence that this mandate has been achieved; instead, rising epidemics of cholera, kidney stones and diarrhea - all water-borne illnesses - point to the failure of Bechtel’s mission….”
“…Bolivia, for instance, a popular uprising forced Bechtel out after the company raised rates so high that most Bolivians couldn’t pay their monthly water bills….”
“…– Toxic vapors from underground radioactive and chemical waste storage made workers ill at Hanford’s so-called waste “farms” according to the Government Accountability Project (GAP). Ch2M Hill Group, (CHG) has admitted to over twenty confirmed exposures in 2002 alone, with many more unreported exposures likely. Despite workers’ complaints to their managers, and to the DOE, adequate protective equipment was evidently never provided….”
“…At stake are millions of gallons of radioactive liquid waste left over from the making of nuclear bombs, including the one that was dropped on Nagasaki. This waste has been sitting in underground tanks in Hanford, Wash., ever since, while the government tries to figure out how to clean it up. As correspondent Lesley Stahl reports, the waste is so lethal that a small cup of it would kill everyone in a crowded restaurant, in minutes.
60 Minutes recently visited Hanford, where the witches’ brew is being stored. Hanford, located along the Columbia River, is home to the most contaminated piece of real estate in the world outside of Russia.
It is contaminated by waste left over from the production of nuclear weapons. There are 53 million gallons of highly radioactive liquid waste stored in underground tanks that are now so old they have leaked one million gallons of the stuff.
Some of it leaked into the groundwater, and it’s heading right for the river. With a million people downstream, there’s a sense of urgency about cleaning up the site, which is huge. It takes up 586 square miles in southeastern Washington.
But for the Energy Department, which runs the project, it’s been a case of easier said than done. In the nearly 16 years 60 Minutes has been covering this story, it’s been one foul up after the next. …”
http://coldwarsurvivors.tribe......8acc9b1b99
“…The challenge of safely disposing of 53 million gallons of deadly waste left over from decades of plutonium production has caused the U.S. Department of Energy and its contractors to stumble repeatedly.
Weak — even negligent — management [by Bechtel] has pushed the project’s completion from 2011 back to 2017 or later and driven costs up by billions, according to reports from government agencies, the Army Corps of Engineers and watchdog groups….” -http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/268605_hanford01.html
“…Radioactive leaks, faulty construction and doubts over untested technology plague Department of Energy contractor Bechtel’s cleanup of an atomic bomb waste site.
May 9 – Residents of the Pacific Northwest are alarmed that about one million gallons of nuclear waste have seeped from tanks at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington State to form an underground plume that is inching toward the Columbia River. But the environmental destruction is only the beginning of their worries.
They are most concerned with the government and plant contractors’ continued malfeasance while building a waste-treatment facility at Hanford designed to clean up the leaking mess that has left the region progressively vulnerable to what’s considered one of the most contaminated places in the Western Hemisphere.
And while residents of the area fight the Department of Energy’s (DOE) plans to make the site a permanent waste dump, several critics of the plant speculate over whether the waste treatment process being implemented there is even a viable solution.
“I’m really disturbed by the ineptness, corruption and negligence on the part of government and contractors,” Paige Knight, president of the public-advocacy group Hanford Watch, told The NewStandard. Knight lives “downriver” in Portland, Oregon.
Hanford was originally a plutonium production site for nuclear weapons from 1943 to the 1980s, and the plant supplied the materials for the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki, Japan, in 1945….”
http://www.hanfordwatch.org/ar.....lamity.htm
LL @ 5:18 pm (#52) - Glenn Greenwald wrote about McCain’s speech today, or rather the wingnut’s reaction to his treatment.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.....ms_20.html
It’s item (2).
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1447
The Coors family has multiple relations with right-wing organizations. Holland Coors, for example, is a board member of the Heritage Foundation and a trustee of the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, and Jeffrey Coors is the director of Free Congress Research and Education and a board member of the Independence Institute (5). CRF has given $1,948,760 to the Heritage Foundation, $200,000 to the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, $1,050,000 to the Free Congress Foundation, and $285,000 to the Independence Institute. (2)
Since the 1970s the Coors family’s support of right-wing causes and institutions has become widely known.===
Bechtel, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, The Fluor Corp., Exxon, General Electric, ADM, Boeing, GM, Ford, Bank of America, the DLC, Hillary and Bill, Skull and Bones, and on and on.
Cujo–yes, I saw Glenn’s discussion, but this write-up by Jean Rohe made it very personal plus the speech itself is there. What bravery! You can really feel the change in the air.
sorry, ‘nother test
Punaise- what are you testing?
–she’s testing to see if anyone will ask what she is trying to test.
punaise, you’re getting a little testy…
-Oh, is that what “sHe’s” trying to do?
my curiosity is being sorely tested, what gives?
was that a protest, or a contest?
speaking of Coors, let us not forget the GOP’s favorite lesbian, Mary Cheney! The corporation was being boycotted by labor and gays — to help break out of its increasing isolation, the corporation hired Lil Ms. Cheney as a “professional dyke” to do community outreach (peddle beer to gay bars). (along with Mr. Colorado Leather)
Had we but world enough, and time,
This coyness, Punaise, were no crime.
But at my back I always hear
Time’s winged chariot hurrying near;
http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/marvell/coy.htm
Valley Girl @ 5:29 pm (#59) - Since the 1970s the Coors family’s support of right-wing causes and institutions has become widely known. along with the barely drinkable quality of his processed beer food.
Kentucky Coal Mine blows up and kills some people. Iraq blows up and kills lots of people. It’s an excititng day out there.
OT - for Jane & Christy –
Let’s say, hypothetically speaking, that we have been blissfully unaware of an on-going “Night of the Long Knives”, or at least the preparations for a contemporary “Saturday Night Massacre”…
Let’s say further, hypothetically speaking, that the OVP, XO and certain defense teams have been meeting in lockdown to weigh out all the options they have in front of them, including another massive overreach of XO powers…
Have you been asking yourselves what we should do next, hypothetically speaking? In other words, what would Patriots do if there were a “Saturday Night Massacre”?
jean rohe blogs on huffpo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....21358.html
Rayne- can you flesh this out a bit? From the SNM allusion, I assume that you are talking about the firing of Fitz. But Fitz is in a different position than Cox, as I know you know, so…?
Rayne at 73. If I understand you correctly. . .
That worries me big-time. Abu–no Elliot Richardson, he–would fire Fitz in a trice and the slime-meisters would pile on. I actually don’t understand why it hasn’t happened already. Hubris? There’s certainly enough of that.
Should there be another Night of the Living Dead such as Nixon produced, we must be on the streets the very next day. Everywhere. In every city and town. And in every MSM publisher’s face like terminal acne.
I am truly afrighted by this possibility.
Hypatia
Immortal Corporeal Beings.
That can’t be imprisoned for their crimes.
I wanted to ask this question and don’t know the right place to send it. It is off topic for this discussion but since lots of folks put Fitz in their post here goes-Iraq just formed a government today I guess from the reports-so if it is just formed than when the parliament meets they will make the laws right? So if they haven’t met yet, and they haven’t written any laws, how are they trying Saddam? Where is their authority? How is it that they are summarily executing people with no laws?
The weird thing about Coors is that they brew test beers, that never make it out into the wider world, that are actually quite good. The only reason I got to try them is that somebody I know who works there was able to get hold of some.
Their politics suck though. I’d never pay for their stuff, especially when we have so many good craft breweries here.
I have never figured out why one of the major american breweries doesn’t brew at least one good beer. It doesn’t cost em much more- guess they’re afraid of spoiling the market for their swill. They could put the craft brewers out of business in a heartbeat with a good beer for $1 a quart.
having trouble refreshing the comments. after a brief fix thanks to JWR (see previous thread - clearing cache and cookies, flushing the dns), I’m back to being stuck, unable to refresh. “test” is just a brief way to post a comment, which is the temporary work-around to see any comments that have appeared since my preceeding comment.
I detest this.
PeteCO 79 –
Is that you, Pete Coors? Has the malt gotten to you?
It’s okay — very open minded folks hereabouts . . .
VG - 70: coy -vey! (nice poem)
punaise 81 –
I’m having no trouble at all — using IE-6 . . .
Punaise- I am having the same problem. Imm said earlier that another solution is to close FDL, then reopen. I love that poem. And, OT, where’s the kiddo going for college?
Do a shot whenever punaise does a test.
LL @ 5:18 pm (#52) - Glenn Greenwald wrote about McCain’s speech today, or rather the wingnut’s reaction to his treatment.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.....ms_20.html
It’s item (2).
…& i guess it woldve been acceptable if she had said to mCcain, “you are nuts & wife fucks ni***ers!!!”
rwcole @ #80,
That’s an interesting point. I’m sure they’re aware of what happened to the major swill-mongers in the UK in the 70’s and 80’s. There was a huge resurgence in craft brewing, and a lot of the majors have got out of the business. I see certain parallels here.
Check out this link to CAMRA, the saviours of British beer.
http://www.camra.org.uk/
Mike in Phoenix @78 - The Iraqi’s have an interim government, which cobbled together a constitution of sorts, and from which, I gather, they derive their authority.
punaise - Sorry. Wish I had more fixes for you. Seems a lot of folks have trouble here.
I don’t think it has anything to do with the browser. Has to do with the server you use for access.
ck82,
No, I’m just one of the poor schmucks who had to sit through his Senate campaign ads for an eternity.
Although it might be more fun to pretend I’m him.
test test test test test
(cul sec*, Le jackal @ 86!)
*bottom’s up
VG (75), Hypatia (76) — there is no Special Counsel law, after all, only what amount to an administrative memo conveying agency of a special nature to a special prosecutor. What keeps AG from nicking Fitz if the AG deemed the agency conferred to be unnecessary, unfruitful, unhelpful, take your pick…
There’s too much weirdness going on. We know what happened to Webb and Hatfield and Rather, and the same thing could be happening under our noses right now. The stories being floated don’t jibe and yet they certainly do. But this meta-story is bigger than the failings of a drunken frat boy; it’s the story behind the biggest single RICO money-laundering operation the world has ever seen, using a war to front its actions.
(Exhibits A and B: Halliburton and Bechtel…)
There are other players at work here, and they don’t do Rovian dirty tricks. They do worse. They have far more money at their disposal and at risk. What would it take, really, to buy off a Congress, to ask them to sit on their hands right now…
And what would Patriots do?
uh oh- Punaise has her bottom up again.
punaise - Did you try David Latchow’s idea from the last thread.. holding down the shift key while clicking your reload button to force the browser to load from the net instead of from your cache? I’m on Windoze and it forces Firefox to reload everything for me.
VG - interesting theory re server instead of browser. not sure what to do about that. thanks for the tips, all.
(college - fall 2007, very much on the radar screen - UC Santa Cruz is the goal, but spring fever hasn’t helped his grades!).
punaise- Oops- sorry- saw a post earlier that ascribed a feminine gender.
Rayne,
Just stopping by to this great but sad post by Matt O and I read your scary and sad comment at 73.
It is scary and sad because I fear little would happen. The Watergate Saturday Night Massacre motivated the nation because it was so clear that the President was laready in the sites of the prosecutor. Here, the Libby defense team and the whole administration effort (as I have commented before) has been geared towards making the whole prosecution confusing and not so important. The media has obliged with its constant refrain that “well, no one was ever implicated in the original charge Fitzgerald was supposed to investigate” crap.
If Fitz was ashcanned today, there would be outrage on the blogs — but Democrats in Congress and the media and the public generally would issue a long and pointed yawn.
uhh, that would be his, rwcole @ 94…. :~)
97,99 - that was my fault - my apologies - that is how rumors get started
Rayne at 73 –
Cheney and the OVP would shoot anyone in the face at the drop of a hat — but my guess is that the Oval Office sock puppet is pissed at all of them, for having gotten caught. No way he will do anything to call attention to the underlings’ screw ups, by doing anything so rash.
Besides — Commander Codpiece is on a mission from God, which immunizes him from all fault. He has a job to do, and he intends to do it — even if it means using a few itty-bitty nukes on Iran.
Shorter answer — Fitz is even on Dubya’s radar . . .
Punaise- I am convinced it is a server problem. I have access to two different servers- one is okay, the other isn’t. I am hoping that “propagation” will solve this problem, just like before with the much more stressful changeover at FDL.
Oh, I thought somehow it was Fall ‘06. That’s why I asked. SC home of my heart. I hope he is getting test-taking advice for the SATs. (? or whatever they are).
Czech politicians indulge in fisticuffs at a meeting.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor.....001414.stm
That should have read — Fitz isn’t even on Dubya’s radar . . .
Rayne 93 –
OK, I hope you are just veering off into Saturday night paranoia!! :~)
The one thing that Fitz has going for him, IMO, is the fact that he is not a special prosecutor. He is acting under an independent conflict order, and therefore he is sort of outside the AG’s influence, but still part of the main Justice Department. This set up puts him in the position of being primarily responsible to the court. If there were an attempt to remove.fire him from Gonzalez, who has already recused himself because of conflict, I think the Court would have to agree that a recused, conflicted AG had the power to step in and act, even in light of that conflict….
If Fitz let himself be replaced, there would be little that could be done, but if he wanted to fight, he would likely be supported by the Courts.
BTW, if anyone wants to add to the discussion at http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....r-tuesday/ there have been some very recent comments by Howis Klein on that thread.
JWR 95 - tried that, no go
Hi, guys, you’ve all been busy, I see.
Another great post by Matt, and a bonus visit from Howie Klein- we are so lucky to run in such a circle via our wonderful hostesses, yes? I feel very spoiled.
Have only skimmed the comments and hit a few links—ahem-twolf-ahem—and it’s nice to see the ongoing celebration of Ned’s victory.
Also so sorry to hear about cc’s surgery and overjoyed to hear that her biopsy was clean!!
I personally feel Lieberman is facing a real problem both in terms of Ned’s campaign and his open-mouth-insert-foot comments to manipulate the masses and threaten his base by saying there won’t be any money because he’s going to spend it all. What a selfish pig; and how undemocratic.
Finally, I couldn’t have been happier when I heard clips of the McCain fiasco. Good on those kids, booing and turning their backs on him. I feel like they’re all my kids and I’m bursting with pride!
I have to sleep soon, zennursing is exhausting and I never sleep well over the weekend. But it totally fills my bowl for the other challenges in life, like George Bush and all his crazy cohorts.
twolf1 @ 100, geez, which part of teste didn’t you get?
there. I’m sure someone was dying to say that.
:~)
Halp! Despite performing all the cache-clearing arcana as directed in this thread and/or the former (I think), plus some of my own devising, I see nothing beyond my own post at 76. It’s confused, baffled, and p.o.’ed I am. I expect I won’t see this either. Lurgh.
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