
Gen. Hayden's hearings for the Director of Central Intelligence begin today in the Senate Intelligence Committee. The Young Turks will begin coverage of the hearings live at 9:30 am ET. (They are getting up at 5:00 am to be able to do this, so send them some click thru traffic love -- especially considering I haven't been able to find coverage anywhere else that I can watch here in the hinterlands.)
In reading through the coverage of the Hayden hearings today, a few things jumped out as intriguing or amusing, and I wanted to point them out for discussion here:
-- The WaPo has an editorial from former DCI Robert Gates urging confirmation of Hayden as the new DCI. A little background: I met Gates when I was in college at a conference in Georgetown, and royally pissed him off by asking why there had been so many personnel issues with women being passed over for promotion in the CIA under his watch. (Yep, I was a pain in the butt, even in college.) And I swear, they opened a file on me somewhere that day, because he looked like he wanted to hit me and refused to shake my hand or even speak with me at the cocktail party afterward. Seeing how I was a lowly college kid, it was pretty damned amusing.
Anyway, enough of the trip down memory lane, in the editorial, Gates sings Hayden's praises for the first two thirds and then drops this little poke at Negroponte which I thought was rather amusing: it seems that Gates was the President's first choice, but when he turned down the Director of National Intelligence gig to stay at Texas A&M, then Negroponte got the call.
The folks in the Administration have probably known this -- but now all of Washington does. Hello gossip central in the beltway today. (And why bring it up now? To bring Negroponte down a peg so that Hayden could start on a slightly firmer footing -- better for the CIA? Personal payback -- I'd believe it after the display of temper I saw just because I had the temerity to ask the man a question? Man, I'd love to know the motivation on this one. Did I tell you it was amusing?)
-- USAToday says that Hayden is nobody's lackey. Well, that's swell, isn't it? Guess we can just all go home now.
-- In the Chicago Tribune, of all places, Tim Roemer has some thoughts on what questions and debate needs to occur on intelligence in the context of the Hayden hearings.
-- According to the NYTimes, Hayden has an impressive -- if not red flag raising on occasion -- resume.
-- The good news is that intel committee members were more widely briefed (in theory) about the NSA programs and other questionable Bush Administration intelligence maneuvers and illegalities. The bad news is that, now that they are more informed, it could limit their ability to ask pointed questions because they cannot then reveal what they know to be classified information. It's a Catch-22. But the latest reporting on the NSA spying is that it focused on long-distance calls -- which means all those denials from phone companies about phone records yesterday are so much crap, since the long-distance divisions are separate from the sections of the company that were initially asked the questions. Tricky, eh?
Should be an interesting day of hearings -- well, as far as they get without having to go into closed, classified session anyway. Here's hoping that Sens. Feingold and Levin are on their game today.
UPDATE: CNN is doing coverage this morning as well. I don't know for how long, or how much of the hearings, but they are doing some pretty thorough stuff at the moment. Just FYI. C-Span1 is doing coverage as well this morning.
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Here is my rundown and analysis of General Hayden’s tenure as head of NSA and his disregard for civil liberties. Not only is he dangerous to civil liberties, he is also a bad manager. A MUST READ if you are planning on following the confirmation hearings.
Morning, Christy. Gates sounds like a real charmer. It would indeed be very interesting to know if his slap at Negroponte was simply a display of personal pique, or something more calculated. On a related issue, did we ever hear whether Tice testified this week?
Walsingham! (y el Fitzo)
looks like hearings will be on cable news channels along with C Span -
always enjoy watching John McLaughlin, but to have to watch Patsy Roberts AND Wolf Blitzer is waaay too much blerrgh for me
Rayne, let’s hope the “good” Levin shows up today
Christy - the graphic isn’t loading.
Senator Roberts ignorance is no impediment to securing a chairmanship either
normally I’d watch the hearings on CSpan (yes, we get CSpan3 out in Indianapolis!) but with the imminence of frogmarchery : I’m going to have to use a news channel so they can do the cutaways to multiple perp walks…
Pat Roberts: “You have no civil liberties when you are dead.”
Remind me to sew that one on a cushion.
What happened to C&L? Their site either got hacked or it’s gone… Anyone know anything about it?
C-SPAN is carrying hearings, FYI. Roberts blasting the leaks, not the program. No surprise there.
If you have not seen or read the article in The Sun (Baltimore) today, here’s the link and a quote from the beginning. It’s an eye-opener.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne.....-headlines
There’s more. And it ain’t pretty.
Pat Roberts: “You have no civil liberties when you are dead.”
yeah — but he ripped that quip off either Himmler or Beria . . .
Kristy,
Did you get that Kos, Boing Boing, and some of the other bloggers aligning with Larry and the other retired CIA operations officers used to be Peace Corps volunteers? Is this the same as the guy who was on the intelligence committee. Seems kinda funny.
Watching the Paterson preamble at the hearing now on CSpan. The master Bush sycophant, the worst of the worst republican congressional committee chairman maggot eating away at the oversight edifice of our constitution, pontificates in that phony preacher style tremulous tone meant to intimidate the brain dead of our country. Let’s see how he practices his suckass ways at this hearing.
Good morning, Christy. Happy to see you with fingertips at the ready. So much to think about today. Go Turks!
And just a reminder - Gore 2008 begins May 24th in select theaters.
http://www.climatecrisis.net/
A ray of hope emerges!
It was that stellar patriot John Cornyn who said no civil liberties when you’re dead - oh, yeah, I’m proud to be a constituent . . .
Re my comment #16 Its Roberts not Patterson…
I switched out the picture — the original one was loading fine for me, but was causing problems for other browsers. Hopefully, the current picture will work better for everyone.
cbl (7) — yeah, me too…I need to call the local office and have a chat with one of Levin’s reps this morning about this very topic.
And I’ll be sending out a rapid response request to all my progressive peeps asking them to call the Senate Intel committee members to ask them to sh*t-can Hayden. His testimony in front of Congress in 2001/2002 certainly made it sound like he had all the existing legal means he needed for SIGINT save for interpreters; what the hell changed, why didn’t he contact the Senate Intel Committee…and why is he not yet a civilian?
Any other questions the rest of you think we should be asking? Let’s post ‘em and get our talking points straight.
BTW: Senate Intel Committee –
Republicans:
Pat Roberts, Chairman (Kansas)
Orrin Hatch (Utah)
Mike DeWine (Ohio)
Kit Bond (Missouri)
Trent Lott (Mississippi)
Olympia Snowe (Maine)
Chuck Hagel (Nebraska)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Democrats:
Jay Rockefeller IV, Vice Chairman (W. Virginia)
Carl Levin (Michigan)
Dianne Feinstein (California)
Ron Wyden (Oregon)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Barbara Mikulski (Maryland)
Russ Feingold (Wisconsin)
Ex-Officio Members
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist Republican (Tennessee)
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid Democratic (Nevada)
Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner Republican (Virginia)
For contact information on these Senators, go to http://www.congress.org — you’ll be able to look up by name to find phone and fax numbers to local and DC offices.
So now various of the telcos are targets of large class-action lawsuits, which will cost their shareholders billions if successful.
Question: is there any possible traction in a shareholder lawsuit, or SEC action, for failing to disclose a material risk? (The risk being their cooperation with the NSA without legal cover.)
For some reason, the administration thought giving full IC briefings on the first illegal wiretapping story (what they carefully refer to as (”terrorist surveillance”)would succesfully obfuscate the recent news about the more borad-based story. Levin is calling them on this bait-and-switch. Go get ‘em, Carl!
something strange happening on crooks and liars it looks like they’ve been hacked and redirected to a site called ‘ziaspace’. Tracked down info on Ziaspace, and it appears a number of their associated servers are located outside of Silver Springs, Maryland.
Hmm, something posted to crooksandliars.com that was particular worth burying ? Didn’t check them last night, wonder what happened ?
Rayne at 21 — Just fyi, Rockefeller just had back surgery and won’t be participating in the hearings today. They are hoping he may be able to do so tomorrow, but not certain. Nice of them to schedule this so quickly, so that he couldn’t be there today, wasn’t it? (Pat Roberts is an ass.)
Professor Foland (22) — the question is really whether an executive order authorizing telcos to “lie” to their shareholders and/or customers will make any SEC action or shareholder lawsuit impossible.
In other words, did the POTUS already extend a “corporate pardon” to the telcos?
Thanks Rayne -
sent them all faxes Monday - highlighting pertinent tenets of the 1934 Telecommunications Act and law Talk Left highlighted when USA/NSA story broke last week -
excuse me for a moment - Hey NSA Geeks - put my gd desktop icons BACK where you found them !
back to our regularly scheduled program
At least they are putting him under oath—but with this admin. do they really care whether they are telling the truth under oath or not?
They actually SWORE him in. clearly he will not say anything at all for the next 5 hours.
Let me guess, Hayden will now say that he can neither confirm or deny the existence of this data mining program. But if it exists, it is to protect us and oh yeah, 63% of Americans support it. But again, I am neither confirming or denying its existence…
Sophist @#24, Peeder at dKos provided this link to C&L: http://lain.crooksandliars.com/
Not sure wat is going on though. Looks like they’ve been hacked.
I hope someone asks him what his position is on the outing of a NOC agent. Does he believe it’s a serious crime?
Christy (25) — thanks much; we should still contact Rockefeller’s office anyhow, though, in case he can join before a vote. Rockefeller in particular is very important since he handwrote the message he locked away expressing concerns about NSA program(s)…the question to Rockefeller should be on Hayden’s suitability DCI if he was unable to put Rockefeller at ease while DIRNSA.
And hell yeah, contact Pat Roberts and tell him he has obstructed real representation by scheduling this hearing before Rockefeller could attend. There’s an assistant DCI, he can run the show while the people get the oversight they need.
One more think to point out in my missive to Levin.
A neighbor of ours works for the CIA (now on a detail at OMB) and when I asked him, he said the people he knows want to see Hayden head up the agency. They apparently think he’s an improvement over Goss, which shows how bad things must have been.
Corrine at 33 — I’ve heard that as well. Goss was so badly thought of that Hayden is considered a substantial improvement. Makes you feel safe to know that Goss stayed on the job for two whole years mucking things up, doesn’t it?
My bad - I faxed them this little nugget from Think Progress, not Talk Left -
It violates the Stored Communications Act. The Stored Communications Act, Section 2703(c), provides exactly five exceptions that would permit a phone company to disclose to the government the list of calls to or from a subscriber: (i) a warrant; (ii) a court order; (iii) the customer’s consent; (iv) for telemarketing enforcement; or (v) by “administrative subpoena.” The first four clearly don’t apply. As for administrative subpoenas, where a government agency asks for records without court approval, there is a simple answer – the NSA has no administrative subpoena authority.
They’re Not Getting Data, They’re Getting the Switches
by emptywheel
16 May 2006
“Steve Soto asks why all the Telecom companies are now (after a few days and, presumably, some heated meetings with their crisis communications firms) denying the allegations in the USAT article….”
Shorter Hayden: Now let me throw Goss on Tenet’s sword so no one currently in the administration can be blamed.
OT re:Wayn Madsen report and reposting my EPU’s comment from last thread:
Not endorsing the Wayne Madson report or anything. I am a professional sceptic on this.
However, at least his details sound more consistetn with SOP. But only just a little bit.
I don’t remember any report of Gonzales meeting w/the GJ before the return of the Libby indictment. I never saw the AG meet with a GJ I was involved with, nor even my local US attorney. There is no reason. Before you take the indictment in for the “true bill” vote, it has to be signed off by the US Attorney.
Since Fitz stands in the shoes of the AG, he does not need a sign off (though if he did not feel the Abu had a conflict, he might run it past him as a courtesy)
Abu showing up sounds weird, but maybe it was at Abu’s own request. Abu has done other weird things.
Had it not been for the confirmed sighting of PJF at the President’s lawyer’s law firm right before the Libby indictment, I would be scoffing outright at the idea that he showed up at Patton Boggs.
The EAGLE DOES NOT FLY. Defense lawyers come to visit the government, not the other way around.
The tidbit about Luskin becoming a target, intrests me. That has some possibilites that stir the imagination.
It is also consistent with and would explain something I heard from the foley square rumor mill a while ago, but didn’t understand at the time, and would explain why Luskin became so quiet as of late.
I have not made a secret of my scepticism regarding the Leapold report. While I am miles and miles away from buying into the Madsen thing, I must admit, it has me intrigued.
This fellow is emerging as the Jonathan Turley on Teleph/Internet snooping
OrinKerr
“The War on terror will remain the CIA’s primary responsibility”.
Somebody please nail him to the wall on that. “How do you know that sovereign nations, particularly those with nuclear capability’ do not represent a far greater threat?
Oh, and CIA needs to “get out of the news as source or subject”. Could you pass that memo on to the White House, please?
Okay gang — I’m sorry to say, we are having some “bathroom issues” this morning, as I have a small child with an upset tummy. I’m not going to be able to live-blog the hearings ans I had hoped to do. Sorry. I’m not even certain how much hearing I’ll get to see — I’ve missed quite a bit already, but she’s more important and I’m sure you guys understand that. If someone can blog in the comments, I’ll try to front page stuff as I go this morning. Sorry gang — it’s just one of those mornings here.
Interesting to note, I did some geo-location searches on the the domains and IP addresses associated with ziaspace and found that the first ip address is ‘hidden’ from geo-location. I sure hope it isn’t a protected ‘gov’t’ ip. Its possibly a mishap with C & L’s hosting company, but if it is a hack its a damn sloppy one, especially if it traces back to the washington vicinity, and possible protected gov’t IP addresses.
What was that about saying about the current powers that be, that they are both evil and incompetent ?
I sure hope its just a mishap with the hosting company for C & L otherwise someone just left a big messy trail.
Maybe Jay Rockefeller’s back surgery will improve the strength of his backbone.
Here’s hopin’.
ugh, this is going to be a sham. rockefeller is out recovering from surgery; levin gives a big wet kiss to pat roberts for calling the hearing (how democratic (small d) of him). this is depressing. you can kiss your country goodbye.
cbl 36–my husband belongs to an online discussion group of law professors who work on technology issues. He showed me an entry where they concur that the Stored Communications Act is the law on this. Larry Tribe had a good piece in the Boston Globe, you have to pay for it there but I found it posted for free on the site below:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar.....ndment.htm
Christy — we’ve got your back, take care of business!! Been there, done that, don’t envy you at all this morning!!
Hey angie — you there? I have to run and get a portable television and see if I can get the hearings over the air while I’m at the office today, will be offline for about an hour. Can you do the play-by-play? Think I remember you doing color during Alito, worked great.
C-Span said they are re-running the whole thing tonight at 9 pm ET on C-Span2. CNN breaking away from it now too and the feed for the C-Span 3 stream is screwed up too. I’m getting audio but no video other than a still.
Christy–
I’ll be able to liveblog for a little while. Right now they took a break for vote on Immigration reform.
RevDeb — the hearing’s on C-Span 3? Damn, I only get 1 and 2. MSNBC has coverage, too, but less predictable than C-Span on coverage.
Here’s what I’m including (and resending to Levin) on Hayden:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ment-93481
Scroll back up that link and note Christy’s question as well.
Okay, looks like the C & L thing may just be a hosting mishap. Further digging points to servernames ‘lain’ with C & L is currently available on. This leads me to believe that the ‘virtual server’ (name for a type of web server that hosts multiple domains) for C&L has failed in some way, defaulting to one of the other, or base level virtual domains on that server.
Apologies for being alarmist. The ‘we’ve been hacked’ over-reaction is an occupational hazard that comes up reflexively for me.
Sorry going OFF TOPIC (sorts)
Got a reply email from Lamon campaign about Net Neutrality. I must say, they are ‘on’. Less than 12 hr turnaround to someone they never heard of. Not even on the donor list, let alone a lobbyist. Nor a CT voter. I’m pasting it all, except for some ‘privacy info’ (and I’m so exceited, I haven’t read beyond the key sentence:
———
Hi Blank,
Thanks for your note. I’m copying Tin Tagaris, who has recently joined the campaign.
Ned supports Net Neutrality. Here is his statement which was up on our site recently:
“The internet is a powerful force for change and the free flow of information. It is also unique as an egalitarian environment powered by the quality of ideas rather than the depth of a corporate pocketbook. Creating a tiered internet would cripple that unique environment and suppress what has become an unparalleled marketplace of ideas.
“We cannot allow the internet as we know it to be fundamentally altered to favor a handful of large companies, at the expense of democratic discourse, entrepreneurs, and small businesses. I applaud Representatives Boucher and Markey, and the other co-sponsors of the Network Neutrality Act, for taking on this critical issue.
“When I am elected in November, I will do the same in the U.S. Senate, introducing and fighting for net neutrality legislation on that side of Capitol Hill.”
Let me know if you have any more questions - and wish us luck at the convention,
Lamont Comm Dir (name here)
On 5/17/06 Blank Kludge wrote:
Hi. I like the ads you folks are starting with. Please take out
Leiberman. Although folks are very supportive, as you already know, one
FDL person is curious, given Mr. Lamont’s involvement w/cable industry,
does he have a position on the currently making its way thru the
Congressional maze piece of legislation popularly known as ‘Net
Neutrality’?
I can’t find reference anywhere on the candidate’s site. If you could
either reply to this mail direct, or shoot something to
Jane/Christy/Pach, I’m sure the blog community would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Blank Kludge
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I’m sending quick thanks.
I wonder what would happen to a similar email to Joenomentum. Just askin’…
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Back to Hayden…
Rayne
I only get 1 & 2 on the teevee too. That’s why I went to the online stream.
Now they are interviewing Jane (HO) Harmon. and the viewo is now working again on the stream.
Jane S. Thanks for the link-
Was over at Intel Dump when the story broke - site hosts are mostly JAG and spook types who called the Dec. 19th disclosures - illegal AND unconstitutional, but they were finessing/parsing the Telcos story, defending NSA Geeks, etc. (you get fired for running your girlfriend’s phone # through the system !! ,etc) anyway they were going on and on about how it might be ‘legal’
then someone showed them Prof. Kerr’s work and they did a serious 180 - saw the same thing happen at another spook blog (via Taylor ?)
keeping an eye on his blog as someone mentioned he is going to address the so called executive order that ‘exonerates’ the Telcos -
good luck on with that one, esp in light of Baltimore SUn story about “legal, non instrusive program they shelved “
Does Preznit Chucklenuts’ executive order permit the telco CEO’s to lie to Congress when they testify, in the name of national security?
If so, things will get very interesting very quickly.
Harman making a statement now on cspan 3 — she is raising questions about the legal underpinnings of the program. She is insisting that the program must comply with FISA. She wants full oversight and says that a Powerpoint presentation provided by the executive branch is not oversight.
Off topic, but anyone try to open Crooks and Liars this morning? Cuz I’m getting Ziaspace.com. For reasons beyond my understanding.
Harman says if this ever got to the SCOTUS, it would be found to be illegal.
Harley,
Please read the comments above yours. It has been mentioned many times.
lhp 39 –
If Gold Bars Luskin has become a target, that would help explain a Fitz visit to his office.
On the other hand, Jason Leopold is way deep into Drudge style rumor mongering. Nothing he writes should be taken seriously, but enjoyed for the ways that it drives awareness of the story.
Why is Hayden’s confirmation today? Russell Tice, the NSA whistleblower, was supposed to testify to Congress yesterday but he seems to have totally dropped off the face of the earth.
Is this another one of Bush’s “I can do what I want” policies. I know I am not daydreaming here, Tice was supposed to blow the lid off the NSA and yet where is he?
Something smells very fishy to me.
OT CA-50 race: Go Busby!
Seems some are investigating whether Bilbray really lives in the district. His mom lives in the district, but then why are his children arguing for instate tuition in VA?
http://www.10news.com/news/923.....p;psp=news
lhp, thanks so much for your 39, loved, “THE EAGLE DOES NOT FLY.”
From the brief bits I’ve seen this morning, I don’t have any doubts about Hayden’s intelligence and drive. I want to know if he’s a man of the law. How does he draw the line between what he is ordered to do and what the law allows? Based on his past experiences, how does he negotiate that ?
There hasn’t been much talk about the person Hayden would bring in as #2 should he be confirmed - someone named Kappas (sp?). Kappas evidently left CIA recently after ‘talking back’ to Goss or people in Goss’ influx of bilge to the agency. Kappas is said to be highly respected by career folks there and would go a long way to restore stability and morale.
Roberts: “Do you renounce Satan and all his works”
MH: “I do.”
PR: “Well, we’re done here I think.”
Or words to that effect.
Roberts shorter version “Will you agree to do your job (ie the administration’s bidding)?
Jane S & cbl –
could you summarize the key points of the Lawrence Tribe piece?
For us click thru challenged types . . .
Re: allowing telcos to lie, I have a question for our legal minds.
The authorizing document is apparently a presidential memorandum rather than an executive order (per, I believe, Think Progress - can’t find link). Now I know for this administration it matters not, since l’etat c’est Bush. But if we were actually following the rule of law, would this make any difference in terms of its interpretation? How is a presidential memorandum distinguished from an executive order in terms of applicability, or is it?
Harman says if this ever got to the SCOTUS, it would be found to be illega
not this court. apparently, she wasn’t paying attention when she voted to approve the latest justices.
Roberts: the Iraq WMD failure was due in large part to tradecraft. He wants to have good intel re Iran, North Korea and China. (his new axis of evil???)
Hayden: wants to make sure that the naysayers are heard.
Not to worry - Evan Bayh’s on the case!!
I’m betting that he uses this opoortunity at today’s hearing to - call for more hearings.
He makes my head hurt.
Thanks FroggerMarch & Angie for live blogging - today is my community garden day - so we’ll all be doing some weeding today
aquarius2 - have been googling Tice’s name for any news out of yesterday - nothing yet
bkny,
Harman is in the House. They don’t get to vote on judges.
Nice catch kristinejoy, thanks. There was a lot of sadness at FDL the night Bilbray got enough votes to force the runoff.
sorry to jump in off topic but there is a very interesting article in the NYT this morning about the Republican revolt in the PA. election yesterday. a bunch of Republican legislators got dumped by “true conservative” challengers. sounds like somebody has already gotten the message of “Crashing the Gates” and it isn’t Democrats.
Roberts saying that bad CIA “tradecraft”is what gave us the wrong information which is why we went into Iraq. What has he been smoking these past 5 years?
Pat Roberts was interviewed in NPR yesterday. One long rhetorical stew of red herrings and other melt-clock non sequiturs. The dude is clueless.
Hayden: The protection of human sources is different from the protection of signal intel.
Patsy: everybody assumed that Saddam would reconstitute his WMD. There were dissenting views and caveats, and we found them out too late. Will you put these dissenting views on the assumption train now?
Hayden: yessiree, we will. We will do our best; you need to understand the limits of the art and science.
could we compile questions that need answered and get them to people that will ask them?
like;
“if the president asked you to do something we at congress said you were not allowed to do, where would your loyalty lie”
we need questions like that answered
in Indiana, the longtime conservatively-moderate Republican leader of the State Senate got dumped in a primary by a total whackjob winger who has advocated public flogging!
work-friendly info site: http://www.theflogger.com
rev deb at 28-> Bu$h has more than likely authored a “pre$idential signing statement” that lieing under oath is permitted. This was probably signed in 2001, so the perjury counts against the TreasonGaters are already moot as well.
Roberts is getting into the failures around WMD. Clearly, the spin is to remind people that EVERYONE thought SH had WMD and it was the Company’s fault for putting concerns in the footnotes, not for the WH to ignore the footnotes.
MH: agility, transaction, ask/respond mode…(his prep is to geek it up)
Kit “U.S.” Bond up and into NSA…
If not already posted -
C SPAN 3 is showing Hayden hearing
Kit Bond up now– if there are questions about the legality of the program, they should be addressed to the AG(aaaaargh). (Pure admin drivel). Could you tell how this program is controlled so you are not listening to political opponents, media, etc.
Hayden: We have a very strict oversight regime. It comes out of the expertise of the counterterrorism experts. We are only looking at the enemy. It is a very disciplined workforce.
ck (60) — I think if WMR is right and Luskin was notified he was a “subject”, it explains his hostile attitude towards Jeralyn and the non-denial denial; he would have been too preoccupied to keep his wits and cool.
Bond: You do ask ALL the proper Republican attroneys to go along with it before you go ahead and break the law, right?
Well, that’s how I heard it anyway.
Hayden saying, basically: Look at me, bud. I’m a STEELERS’ fan, for pete’s sake. I would NEVER do anything wrong.
Bond: Whew! I didn’t think so.
Casper
You should see the attack commercials they are running non-stop–the repug ads are really slimly, but Busby has done a great job pointing out that Bilbray was a big-oil lobbyist–ouch!
It seems to me she now has a very beatable opponent.
On looks: Rove + the father on That ’70s Show = Hayden. Scary stuff.
Thirty years ago Erlichmans deep contempt for the forth ammendment was written all over his ugly face. But at least Obersturmbanfuhrer Erlichman had heard of the forth ammendment!
I’ve been saying for some time now that an open source translucent distributed ( P2P) datebase is essential for us. The MIT tried one for a while with the Open Government project but together we can do better than that.
Today we have more storage, more power and more speed to really ramp up a universal database that respects the forth ammendment. This leveraging of the power and reach of the Whole Wild World will be key to the rapidly approaching endgame - the final destruction of the empires death star.
We have the net now and the net changes everything. The rebel alliance advancing at warp speed in diversity and striking in unision through our ‘terrorist casino’, PAM, the terminatrix can now take out a fully loaded death star.
When the world see’s that they will know the netroot’s rebellion is here.
Christy –
A quick google search on ‘gates cia dci’ brought up enough links to make it clear that he was up to his eyeballs in Iran Contra.
This one is detail rich, but as DDI (Deputy Director) and DCI, Gates managed to ‘not recall’ meeting with or working with key players like Ollie North.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_16.htm
Manucher Ghorbanifar brokered the HAWK missile parts sale to Iran, but his 41% markup didn’t sit well with the Iranians. I’m not sure if he got paid or the funds were diverted to the Narco-Contras, but DCI Gates managed to dodge an indictment.
Bottom line — Robert Gates is as dirty as they come, and Ghorbanifar is the playing the Chalabi role in “Clusterfucks Revenge Part Two — Flowers and Chocolates on the Road to Tehran.”
OT, with apologies..
Repub. operative James Tobin has been sentenced to jail for jamming Dem. headquarters phones during 2002 election; plans to appeal.
Reuters has it. CNN seems clueless so far.
RevDeb — that’s Roberts standard line. How he can chair the intel committee and consistently publicly bash the intel agencies is beyond me. It’s never about reform for him, it’s always about deflecting blame from the Administration. He has so politicized and poisened the atmosphere in the Senate Intel committee. Shameful.
Bond: People who think the NSA spying is illegal just “want to shut it down.” Panty-waist bastards!
Mikey Mike: It really feels good to do this NSA spying thing. (He actually said “the analysts feel it at the tactile level.” geek, geek.
ck 67–
I am no lawyer, just married to one. Tribe is laying out the relevant SCOTUS decisions and recent laws to make the case that the mass collection of our calling records is in fact a violation of the 4th Amendment and of specific laws passed by Congress. He argues that this is not a Democrat/Republican issue and points to a recent Scalia opinion that warned of the dangers of new technologies infringing on individuals’ privacy rights.
He mentions that the one case that the NSA defenders rely on is a 1979 Supreme Court decision which did not anticipate today’s technology and which is undermined by some more recent SCOTUS cases that address the topic indirectly.
And finally he says that the Congress was more aggressive in passing laws to protect Americans’ privacy with regard to calling records. And that because of these laws, their is a public expectation that our calling records will be protected.
Program launched morning of Oct. 6th.(hmmm)
Kit: what damage has been done by the leaks.
Hayden: dunno, revelations will have an effect on the enemy. we will be successful. It is almost darwinian– we will continue to capture dumb terrorists.
Kit: there are some that want this program shut down; what would happen to our ability to stop the terrorists.
Hayden: I went to see the folks at the height of the first furball (huh?) of this; they want to continue to do what they have been doing to save the Republic.
Don’t know if this has been posted, but there is interesting story on C/NET regarding a legal loophole in the law regarding the NSA surveillance. I am new to this so don’t know how to link, but here is the site:
http://news.com.com/Legal+loop.....73600.html
As others had mentioned it explains how they could deny handing over “records” while being forced to give access to the government.
I think it did it by itself. God I love my Mac.
scientific articles are coming out saying humans & chimps interbred after they first became separate species, which explains how bush is a throwback & why he can’t talk — it also explains why about 30% of americans think he’s doing great & why most americans don’t care if our glorified leaders treat innocent citizens as being the enemy — in sum, pat roberts is a chimp too & he’s playing to his relatives
Jane S — Thanks!!! Great Summary!!!
Kitty: Don Rumsfeld seems to want a LOT more control over intelligence (seeing as how he has so little now, snark). Gotta problem with that?
Mikey: Nosir!
Goopers- who dems have been silently envying for years for their stubborn political discipline and adherence to message, seem to be falling apart.
It’s five and a half months from an election and they seem to have no message, no strategy, and no unanimity. They fall apart in the polls, and rather than fighting back with one voice as one would expect, they scatter into yet more voices and positions- and many go hide.
When the goin gets tough- the goopers run and hide!
Hayden: a happy marriage can be made with CIA and DoD.
(Police state, here we come.)
OFF TOPIC>
Dont know if anybody has seen this joke going around in email, but I good a great laugh from it, the kind of laugh you get when GW is saying he isnt using his immigration speech for Political gain. Here goes:
Donald Rumsfeld is giving his daily briefing to George Bush.
He concludes by saying: “Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed.”
“OH NO!” the President exclaims. “That’s terrible!”
His staff sit stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.
Finally, the President looks up and asks, “How many is a brazillion?”
BWAHAHAHAHA
Well, well, well…it looks like Jason Leopold is coming out smelling like a rose now that a second reporter confirms most of what he reported last week. :)
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
Raw Story Headline (no story yet):
Former Powell aide may be focus in CIA leak probe, former director of NSA asserts… Developing…
Who might the “former Powell aide be”?
Levin up:
Did you design the NSA warrantless program or was it given to you?
MH: Venn diagram (geek)…I did participate in the design…Americans need to FEEL free.
I’m thinking he is an INFJ.
pjf 103 –
Jason Leopold smells like Drudge, even when he gets a story right — which remains to be seen in this case.
The only confirmation that matters is from the real PJF . . .
Leslie in California @ 68
here’s TP link to Presidential Memorandum
Think Progress
Ah- another Myers Briggs fan!
So what’s Clusterfuck? ENTJ? (or perhaps ENFJ)
OT: What the hell is going on at C&L?
After spewing platitudes about the constitution and the law and the 4th amendment and Hayden stating that everything he did at