
It's come to this for the media and Bush Administration critics. Turns out the illegal NSA domestic spying without a warrant program isn't just aimed at "catching terrorists" -- or saving all of our phone call records for years and years and years -- it's also aiming right at the media and their sources, especially Administration critics.
A senior federal law enforcement official tells ABC News the government is tracking the phone numbers we call in an effort to root out confidential sources."It's time for you to get some new cell phones, quick," the source told us in an in-person conversation.
ABC News does not know how the government determined who we are calling, or whether our phone records were provided to the government as part of the recently-disclosed NSA collection of domestic phone calls.
Other sources have told us that phone calls and contacts by reporters for ABC News, along with the New York Times and the Washington Post, are being examined as part of a widespread CIA leak investigation.
There was an entire season of The Wire devoted to investigating a drug kingpin who had his dealers using throwaway cell phones which made it harder to trace calls. Why am I thinking that Netflix will be getting a whole lotta requests for that season on DVD when it comes out?
Or that a pot of geraniums will be popping up periodically in some select Georgetown and Arlington neighborhoods in the near future.
Bad spy movie cliches r us. Perhaps. But for the Bush Administration, which is clearly willing to go to any lengths to spy on its critics and suppress and intimidate people who might be willing to come forward as a whistleblower (not that the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress would work with them on it, but there's still the Inspector General's office at each agency -- at least it seems to be working at the CIA after the Foggo search warrants on Friday, eh?)
Hmmmm....now that the media has been specifically targeted, do you think they might report more aggressively on domestic spying without a warrant? And, if so, do you think the Bushies can spell "backfire?"
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FITZ, now more than ever !
Fitz
I can spell backfire, if I use my toes.
Kazuza.
FITZ Rove til he breaks!!!
*ilson, you took the exact words right outta my mouth
to this group of chickenhawks, a Backfire is just the Tupolev Tu-22M
Is blowback the same as backfire ?
OMG - I’ve been placed into the wayback machine by Mr. Peabody - it’s the Nixon Admin. all over again
how precious. we’ll get to see some WATB’s take their very first steps.
Now this story has a face on it.
Americans can understand what exactly is happening and envision what can happen in the future.
BTW, if some repug apologist comes up with the standard: “Well, if you have nothing to hide…” defense, please counter with the UNIVERSAL BLOCKER - What do Scooter, Rover, Darth Queeg, Hadley, Chimpy, Delay, etc, etc, etc., Rice(I’ve yet to see a good pejorative nickname for her - and we NEED one).
If throwing out the Constitution is good enough for me and you, then it is more than good enough for all of the above - fuck civil rights, let’s get to the truth.
Even lapdogs don’t like getting kicked.
This won’t sit well with the MSM.
Wake up, pundits. Perhaps - with the fourth ammendment - our founding fathers were on to something.
What’s utterly fucked about this whole scene is, it makes the Nixon administration look honest, above-boards… hell, downright BENEVOLENT by comparison.
that gnome is killing me!
Well, Christy,
It is really going to be a moment when we can observe the media’s profiles in courage –
Will they aggressively report, or will they be cowed….
Should have commented before I read the post, but I didn’t realize there were no comments yet - ah well, that’s as close as I’ve gotten. (Hey, egregious, you’re having quite the fitz run these days. *g*)
This report is, I’m sorry to say, what I expected all along from this bunch. Sad to have to be so cynical about one’s government. But I hope you’re right, Christy, and that this will really wake up the more complacent members of the press corps (I know there are still real reporters out there who’ve been doing their jobs all along).
And speaking of that, one thing that was largely overlooked (though probably not so much here at FDL) in the furor over Colbert’s speech was the video that preceded it, about the new briefing room. There were quite a few barbed comments about the administration from various WH reporters, scattered among the snark about saying goodbye to their oh-so-luxurious accommodations.
There was an entire season of The Wire devoted to investigating a drug kingpin who had his dealers using throwaway cell phones which made it harder to trace calls.
And what a season that was! The first two seasons of the The Wire, taken as a whole, are easily the best drama — television OR film — that I’ve ever seen. I can’t wait for Season 3 to come out on DVD.
Mocha Dem at 15 — it was the most hilarious gnome photo I could find on short notice. Mwee hee.
Actually RH, I wanted to say: you were right! When the NSA story first broke in the Risen story, I commented I was afraid it would lack the proper narrative arc to get anyone’s attention. You replied it would slowly come out, drip by drip, getting worse and worse, including political opponents and journalists. Good call!
Too bad you were right.
Heck with this real-world stuff!
When is Season Three of The Wire making it to DVD?
I’d think at a minimum there will be a lot more reporters seeking information in face to face meetings with admin reps. That’ll mean expending a lot more manpower at various intel agencies tailing both reporters and admin reps. Next we’ll read of tracking devices discovered embedded in the autos of everyone involved.
My Theory on the NSA spying:
What do they know about YOU?
What do they know about your spouse/SO?
What do they know about your kids, parents, siblings?
1. How does an administration keep so many Republicans in line voting in lockstep?
2. What did they have on McCain in 2000 for him to fold like a cheap suit?
3. What did they have on Kerry for him to not fight the 2004 election results?
4. What do they have on the pundits, media and talking heads?
5. What do they have on Democrats?
The MO for BushCo is Swiftboat for any descent. We know that they will use any method to retain power, what do they know and who will they ruin.
Classic FDL Snark, I love the photo and the title.
obsessed at 18 — I agree. Amazing writing on the show, some fo the best ever — very true to life in terms of criminal investigations and legal situations, and I never say that about tv shows, ever — and the acting is beyond amazing. The ensemble cast is awesome. Can’t wait for the next season.
Well of course they are tapping into the phones of dangerous persons: libruls and reporters and peace activists.
They know who did 911 and it wasn’t terrorists so there’s no need to spy on any Arabs. It’s us they’re spying on.
“911 was an inside job.” J. Garafolo, AAR.
www.whatreallyhappened.com
Actually the Gnome has Laura Bush’s eyes, same psychotic I think.
Psychotropic look?
The same idea of the throw away cell phones showed up a couple of months ago on the Showtime series “Weeds”. It’s apparently a standard procedure for drug dealers and organized crime. Assuming Al Qaeda is as sophisticated as the average city gang member and changing phone numbers monthly the NSA program would be worthless as described. That leads to the other enemy, liberal news, political opponents,etc. In short the 71% of the population that disagrees with Bush.
It’s the gnome from the
OrbitzTravelocity commercials.“I come to ensure the guarantee!”
So how long is it going to take for us to find out that it was also political opponents that were spied on. It would have been advantagous to know who they were talking to also.
x, in tape on the window
did anyone in the world not expect the scum to use what ever tools they had to spy on everyone and everything in this country? how freaking naive can anyone be not to recognize a fascist when one sees one.
we don’t have much but history to examine for related storys in the information age. But we do have mussolini, hitler, stalin, tito and a variety of countries that have allowed their leaders to take a little bit of power here, a little bit there.
i am afraid that progressive only means that one is interested in finding out what the truth is. and it becomes clear that far more has become common knowledge than they intended.
so let us assume that everything we do is tapped, hardly a “chickenlittle” scenario when our government tells us that this is the case.
if we don’t stop them, we won’t have a government of law soon
I’ll repeat here a comment I left earlier at emptywheel’s site - this is why they hate Seymour Hersh but can do little to stop his stories. He meets his sources in person and never discusses anything of substance via e-mail or over the phone. I suspect he practices better tradecraft than many of today’s intel folk, but doubt that any of today’s reporters go to these lengths. (Though this may now change….remember Watergate and the parking garage meetings with Deep Throat….)
So far CNN is focusing on alligators.
And, I think this is a metaphor for our current news outlets.
I think they’ll cave and buckle under … can’t be any heavier than carrying water.
Well, let’s answer your question, Christy, by tuning in CNN. Lessee….alligator’s and immigrants. Nothing to see here.
Guess they got the message.
Or we can expect to start hearing a lot of typewriters (keyboards) tapping with Vivaldi’s Trumpet Concerto on in the background.
(Sorry to bring up a persona non grata, but I love that movie, and I love that scene.)
Justin John 21: Netflix still shows The Wire: Season 3’s release date as “unknown”
RH: Did you see Season 3 as it was being shown on HBO? If so, was it as good as 1 & 2?
So let me be sure I’ve got this right: checking the pattern of phone calls - even without having actual wiretaps to record the content - one can track down conspiracies . . .
Maybe Fitz should request the NSA to produce the logs for the certain phones used by Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney, and others at the White House, so that any conspirators to a plot to divulge the identity of a covert CIA agent could be identified.
“California Dreamin,” sure, but a boy can dream, can’t he?
Good lord, the deja vu is overpowering (and the garden gnome is hilarious!). Digby has a great post on the subject as well, including a very apposite excerpt from Rick Perlstein’s upcoming book.
Very sorry to have missed the terrific book club discussion last night. I’ve ordered the book, which will live on the shelf right next to Nixon Agonistes, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ‘72, and the Pentagon Papers.
When did Vivaldi become persona non grata?
So the lapdog elite news media will have to go to their government sources for confirmation that the government is spying on them.
Makes the head spin.
I only hope Debbie Howell and Jimbo Brady remember to be civil, when they make their feelings known.
Driving home late last night I heard something on sat radio about how the spying isn’t limited to phones, but includes spy satellite pictures. From previous reading, I think that these aerial spies can take photos of some pretty small objects. Wouldn’t they be useful for tracking, say, Sy Hersh’s car? Looking over your shoulder isn’t very informative if the eye is overhead.
You guys are overlooking the upside.
Source: Zawahiri sent a secret letter.
Reporter: So what did Zarqawi want?
Third voice on line: Not Zarqawi, Zawahiri. ‘Z’ ‘A’ ‘W’ ‘A’ . . .
And the gnome says “Hey, get off my lawn”.
(On-Topic): What really irks me is that not one of the front pages of ABC, NYT or WaPo covers the story of their own consitutional rights being flushed down the toilet. Unbelievable.
W H I P P E D
Is anyone even remotely surprised?
Questions I have:
How long been going on?
How much predate news stories/leaks on NSA?
(that is predate about 18 mos ago –more or less)
How much about Iraq?
How much on Wilson/Plame?
Common sense sez signs point to yes for at least some of these. If so, Bush will long for days of 30% approval rating. Mr. Morin will have to revist his august and olympic judgment on inappropriateness of impeachment question for poll.
I figure lots of big stuff coming in next few days. FDL coy. Why did it “server up” just now? :).
Steve - they already have the tracking device. Its your cell phone.
Oldtree said it before I could. Seriously, knowing what we know of this bunch and their fear of discovery and utter disdain for criticism why would anyone believe that they would not use every tool in their arsenal, legal or not, to get to their critics.
This came as no surprise to me and I have said repeatedly to expect that more is going on than we know. With this bunch you cannot go wrong with expecting the worse from them. I have since the beginning and I have not been disappointed yet.
A media pushback would require that the media was actually interested in reporting news and not merely spreading propoganda. If we want to make an educated guess as to how the media might respond to any action that this administration might take it would be appropriate to ask: How would Pravda respond to this if it happened in 1985 in the Soviet Union?
I remind our intrepid media of Tracfone, but I realize that:
The bad guys already know that Tracfone and other prepaids can be bought almost anywhere. (Hint: Pay CASH) Activated at the nearest public computer using any name you please, and thrown it away as needed. Bought for every call. Mailed to your contact. From a differing area codes/parts of the country.
If they are really* only monitoring numbers the constant change would give no repetitive pattern.
Now I don’t believe that NSA hasn’t also figured this out.
So what possible use is this massive “data mining” operation? It would be useless unless conent of calls was also recorded, wouldn’t it?
Indeed.
Frank #47:
Some of us commented so on the last thread, which subsequently disappeared.
re: 40
No, I love Vivaldi, but the reference is to Bob Woodward, who once did some great great great stuff, but is not on the Sh*T List (and deservedly so).
“We are history’s actors.” I can’t get that phrase out of my mind. If they don’t like the way things are done, they change it without regard to precedent, Constitution or people. How are we ever going to dig our way out of the messes they’re making?
sorry, that should be “now”
Ay yi yi…
Could there be more than 27 people – outside the administration – who trust that the “explanation of the day†is the sum total of the story?
How many more times will we have to see the initial denials, then the grudging, but hedged, explanation, accompanied by the protestations of legality, them the admission that there is more, but it’s still legal, then the refusals to answer any questions accompanied by invocation of national security interests, with a dollop of “9/11, 9/11!â€
Between the immigration mess that is being used to crank up a rather virulent form of nationalism – which I regard as a danger sign – combined with what appears to be a Nixon-style enemies list that technology has enabled to be intrusive to an astonishing degree, this country is in serious, serious trouble. This isn’t about leftists who hate America, or liberals who want the terrorists to win, or the godless hordes bent on the destruction of morality.
No. No. No.
This is about power-hungry, money-hungry people who will say whatever it takes, and do whatever it takes to build a power structure that ensures their total control of this country. These are people who fear open government, who fear information, who work to suppress and criminalize differences of opinion.
Honest to God, if this latest revelation doesn’t wake people up and exact consequences for what are clearly illegal actions, I don’t know if anything will.
I wonder why ABC in particular. It couldn’t be anything as thin skinned as the snark in “The Note” could it? What has ABC got?
Why not NBC which has KO? Hell, why not Commedy Central?
And why only select print news outlets? Why not vacuum them all?
What specifically have those particlur news outlets have in common that the others do not?
I would understand why the NYTimes, they blew an investigation into an islamic “charity”/ money laundering operation that presumably also tipped off the others “charities” to shred, and go underground. There might be a legitimate law enforcement reason to do so. But why the rest?
Please notice, ABC says the source is a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL, not an intelligence official. This implies either an FBI national security letter, a FISA warrant or a regular warrant.
Nothing in that report says it is warrantless. Simply that it is tracking specific news outlets. Why just those?
And why just in conection with a “CIA leak investigation?”
I think we are back in the land of the mysterious firing of Mary McCarthy or could they be after the Wilsons? Or is there yet another CIA whistleblower as yet undetected by the Bushgestapo?
Another point:
Source: I can only talk for an instant. They’re tapping your phones.
Reporter: What?!
Third voice on line: No, we’re not.
Reporter: Who is this?
(Pause)
Third voice on line: Candygram.
Reporter: What? You’re the NSA.
Third voice on line: No, I’m not. Candygram.
(Theme from Jaws begins to play in the background.)
What does BushCo know about whom?
Whose life would be ruined if anyone stepped out of line?
How do you get so many Republicans to march in lockstep?
Why do we keep harping about Democrats without backbone?
When people have to choose between principles and protecting yourself or your family?
It isn’t just an enemy list, it is control. Control of debate, control of issues, control of the media.
clio, won’t work. They have voice prints.
Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia said that this Administration was WORSE than the Nixon Administration…he was absolutely correct.
It’s nice to read these comments. I really felt heartsick reading many of the comments on the ABC website. Too many loved the idea of the admin. spying on the “treasonous” reporters who leaked “classified” information. Guess they haven’t heard about the selective leaks of the prez and vice prez. I’m not too sure that the media lapdogs will get more aggressive in their reporting on illegal spying. I sure hope so, but I wonder what it will take for a real “backfire” to occur. I’ve been hoping that some member of congress or some really big shot CEO would discover the admin spying on them. I think it will take something even worse than this because there is so little regard for a free press anymore. Sorry to be so despondent, but I think we’ve really lost any semblance of a free democracy.
I really wish we’d start using a new term for whistleblowers
I love the term watchdog
whilstleblower has a “rat fink” type of conotation and “watchdog” doesn’t
we need a movement
We The Pattern Puppets
Question #1
Are Fitz and Co. tapped at home, in the office, or all of the time ?
Wanna bet Rove is using the NSA call tracking to beef up his database of Republican sympathizers for GOTV efforts too?
Building databases for mailings/phone calls is Rove’s longtime M.O. He retains his security clearance too.
add to this the fact that cell phones can be tracked via triangulation and you have big brother tracking your movements as well as your contacts.
suddenly, this article becomes very relevant:
http://www.wired.com/news/tech.....390-0.html
Christy - That gnome is listening to us!?
NBC is an auxilary unit of the Petagon. The NBC troops are on their fourth rotation ginning up wars for the Bush/Republican/GE military industrial world order.
-GSD
Christy:
Just a question. If the taps on reporters phones were part of a criminal investigation, that would be legal? It begs the question, do we know if those listening were part of that investigation and whether they went and got a warrant?
Frank #47
Not surprised, but absolutely heartbroken by what’s happening to this country. This is just evil.
May or may not be of interest but I wrote a longish comment #33 on the LateNite about how the NSA program might work but it was mostly within a terrorism context.
egregious says:
May 15th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
Only works if they actually have the time to match the voiceprint before the call ends. I’d use codewords if I were doing it. (Birders’ codeword: LBJ = ‘little brown job’, small anonymous bird. Wildflower people have DYC, ‘damn yellow composite’, same sort of thing.)
For some reason I’m reminded of that old commercial for Palmolive with Madge: You’re soaking in it.
As usual, I can’t get a link, but read Greg Palast’s article at Smirkingchimp.com - “The Spies who Shag Us”.
What the govt isn’t getting thru its own data-mining, it’s buying from a company called ChoicePoint.
We’re screwed.
Betcha “Enemy of the State” DVD sales are going to tick up.
-GSD
Didn’t we see this before? Was there reported spying on CNN’s Christian Amanpour several months ago? No fall out from that revelation, so I doubt this new one will either. But why isn’t someone, anyone, how about a Kerry Staffer, asking the question if the Dems were tapped during the election????
Awww…..I don’t know what everybody’s bellyachin about. I’ve gotten 2 emails from ABCNews with breaking stories today. Both emails were about the Duke lacrosse scandal. Nuthin else. So the Duke lacrosse scandal is the only newsworthy event of today. What’s everybody all worked up about?
PS: NO email from ABCNews about its phones being tapped or tracked by the Feds, so it AIN’T a big deal.
(I am now turning off the snarkometer)
Strangely, the phonetic pronuciation of LBJ is what the Spanish speaking press reportedly called Bill Clinton during his scandal days.
-GSD
I think ABC/WAPO should do another one of their push polls today.
oh sweet irony…
Remember the Porter Goss OP ED in the NYTimes about how people in the government who talked to reporterd weren’t whistleblowers b/c they had no right to substitute their own judgement fot the judgement of their superiors? Obviously, Goss is no fan of Justice Robert Jackson and not only did not study the Nuremberg trials, but could not be bothered watching the movie “Judgement at Nuremberg”–I like the Spencer Tracy version more than the Alec Baldwin version. If he had, Goss would know that “following orders” is no defense if the orders are illegal and one is held to a higher standard.
I betcha this is part of that. i think this may be the tip of a fascinating iceberg and, once again,our newshounds have been sitting on something huge and stinky.
I hope that, as with the Pentagon Papers, their only hope is to PUBLISH, PRINT, GET IT OUT IN THE OPEN while they still can.
GSD - Are you flooded? I’ve been thinking of you whenever I hear the news this morning.
16 immanentize says:
May 15th, 2006 at 11:59 am
Well, Christy,
It is really going to be a moment when we can observe the media’s profiles in courage –
Will they aggressively report, or will they be cowed….
Moo. Moo. Mooooo. Moo. Mooooooo-eow. Moo.
reposted way, way OT snark from the ‘disappeared comments’:
If the Preznit is sending troops temporarily to the border, does he have an exit strategy? How temporary is temporary?
Wait! Wait! Over here. The alligators are coming. The alligators are coming. Duke lacrosse! Rita Cosby! Survivor! Idol! The national athem is being sung in Spanish, OMG. Gays are holding hands in public! OMG. OMG. Tomkat! Tomkat! Tomkat!
I kid the media…. er, not so much.
-x-
Maybe already mentioned earlier, but Thinkprogress reminds us of the Andrea Mitchell - James Risen interview wherein she asked him about whether Christina Amanpour may have been spied upon:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/.....-amanpour/
#12, re Rice: partial to “KindaSleezzy” myself…
egregious says:
May 15th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
clio, won’t work. They have voice prints.
Exactly. Of course for they they would have to get into the contents of the call itself and not just the log of it. Which they never do without a warrant. Karl Rove pinkie swears.
sedrunsic says:
May 15th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
add to this the fact that cell phones can be tracked via triangulation
Triangulation is so pre-GPS.
A reader of my blog emailed me with a particularly paranoid theory of the NSA leak over the weekend and I posted it last night. How odd that he seems so on target this morning…
http://nettertainment.blogspot.....anoia.html
Is Condi Rice a cross between the worst of Angela Davis and the worst of Winnie Mandela?
I mean she says she’ fell in love’ with studying the power struggles of the Russian Leninist’s of the 20’s.
She exhibits revolutionary zeal in her sacrifice of the sort of love most of us are familiar with.
She vigorously sells and defends a ‘ Leninist’ ( Francis Fukuyama ) foreign policy. ‘ A fire in the mind’ ( Hubby ) and a permanent revolution only dreamed of by Marxist hero, Leon Trotsky.
She is reported mixed up with the Marxist terror group MEK and may be supplying them with guns.
She is reported to have control of at least one gang who will standover, bully and even kill for her.
She threatens people with death by torture and claims democracy comes out of the barrel of a gun. This is all so obvious I fear she must be a robot of some kind. No human being could contain such contradiction’s…but maybe thats part of it too!
Marxist-Leninist materialism posits that contradiction’s are resolved by the dielectic.
Thus contradictions are an essential part of her dogmatic ideological fanaticism!
Do we have any Kremlinologist’s amongst us who can confirm this? It seems to explain a lot about her. Maybe she spends a lot of time in a closet too - like Patty Hearst.
Mommy, surprisingly, everyone in my extended family that I know of is still doing fine. There is a small marsh behind my folks house that is swollen, but running freely…
A damn near mys sis’ place in the eastern part of the state is hinky, but fine…for now.
There are several towns that are flooding though…Dover, Rochester…
Massachusetts’north shore is hit hard too..Peabody(which in Bostonian Retahd English is prounounce Pee-Bid-E.
No deaths reported either, so looks like we are doing fine. As long as we keep the federal government away things will be fine.
Though FEMA is reportedly sending truckloads of water to help.
-GSD
I heard an interview with the author of “31 Days” over the weekend. The book is about the first days of the Ford administration and the Nixon pardon, etc. Anyway, George H.W. Bush was in the gang at that point, and was referred to by Nixon as “a Nixon man through-and-through”. Rumsfeld was almost Ford’s choice for VP, wound up being Chief of Staff, and of course, Cheney was Rumsfeld’s Libby. How surprised should any of us be to see new, computerized versions of the old Nixon techniques in use?
They call themselves the party of Ronald Reagan? I always refer to them as the party of Richard Nixon, and it amazes me that they aren’t still hanging their heads in shame. But then again, some folks, at long last, have no sense of decency.
I can hardly wait for the new
DMZ down along the border!! This is going to be a big winner for Shrub! Not.peace,
jim
GSD! You forgot the ice that FEMA is sending too! Remember during Katrina kerfuffle they ended up sending zillions of trucks of ice up to Maine to wait. I’d bet the trucks and ice are still idling up there . . . or else all descending on Massachusetts & suburbs
GSD, glad to hear it. The FEMA water will end up in Florida, no doubt *G*
I can imagine that after Bob Woodruff and his cameraman were seriously wounded in Iraq a few months back, even the execs at ABC News were starting to wonder if it was really worth putting their people on the line to get the story on this disaster Bush and Cheney created. ANd it all occurred around the same time Risen’s NSA story in the NYT came out, the “black sites” were being talked about, etc. You can bet the WH wanted to know exactly who was calling who, when, for how long. Is ABC going to take the next three weeks to decide how pissed off they are???
I wonder if this is how they determined to hook the CIA person up to the polygraph?
On a more serious note…
Poster sans-coulette at AmericaBlog passed along this link earlier today. My apologies if this has already been posted/discussed here but it is highly relevant to this topic. If at all possible, I urge you to make the time to watch this video.
http://veredictum.com/node/109
It is an CNBC interview. Host Tim Russert interviews Robert O’Harrow, Jr. from the Washington Post and James Risen, who broke
the NSA wiretapping story.
This interview is an informative, sobering and intelligent discussion of the known scope of the NSA intelligence gathering on American citizens as well as foreign nationals.
The video is approx. 20-30 minutes in length.
they probably were tracking journalists pre-9-11?
that’s what I want to know?…how about journalists?
Curious, eh?
My mom, bless her soul, loves to hit antique shops and while she’s there, she checks out the used books to
feed my habitgive to her children. She recently sent me a copy of a compilation of old Art Buchwald columns from the 1970s.The Post could rerun these columns today, and they’d be so on target it is spooky.
P J Evans says:
Only works if they actually have the time to match the voiceprint before the call ends.
Not if they record it (though I guess they would call it caching). They only have to identify the voice on one call. Then they can match that person to every call made on that phone. I guess you could disguise your voice, but what if they can track the point and time of purchase and get video from the store? All without a warrant or any other party knowing about it. That isn’t practical on a wide scale, but if you devoted enough resources to tracking down a single source…
Wire Season 3 in July or August.
Season 4 starts in early September.
Yay!
Hmmmm….now that the media has been specifically targeted, do you think they might report more aggressively on domestic spying without a warrant? And, if so, do you think the Bushies can spell “backfire?”
No. That was BushCo’s equivalent of ‘nice place you’ve got here, shame if anything happens to it.’
we the american people are the enemy — as dumb as it was for us to go into iraq & as dumb as it will be for us to attack iran & syria, we can only infer that our leaders aren’t acting in america’s interest — our government spies on us so as to control us because our leaders, when it comes to setting foreign policy, have sold america down the river & don’t want us to do anything about their treason — much of the news media is to blame for carrying the can as our leaders have been & still are on the take from foreign interests & also from arms manufacturers & from the war on drugs
our leaders play to the emotions of FWF [frightened white folks] in order to keep their eyes off the ball — meanwhile our leaders are making a killing as our kids are getting killed
jayt @ 12:32, re ChoicePoint - isn’t that the company that disenfranchised all the Florida voters in 2000? I think it is.
BTW, if some repug apologist comes up with the standard: “Well, if you have nothing to hide…â€
From the Letters to the Editor in USA Today responding to the story about warrantless wiretaps of tens of millions of American citizens:
Is the NSA database really newsworthy material?
Let’s be candid: Who really cares what the NSA, or the CIA, or any other intelligence agency for that matter, is doing and whether it is “secretly collecting” domestic or international phone records?
Does it affect you or me? I would submit that it does not!
Only a libertarian would argue, and feebly in my opinion, that such actions wither and undermine our right to privacy as U.S. citizens. If one is not doing anything illegal, then what does one have to worry about?
I’d rather read an article that reports on the progress that our young patriotic servicemembers, who are in harm’s way, have made in Iraq. USA TODAY’s article, in my opinion, merely smears our National Security Agency, which appears to be doing a good job.
I suggest USA TODAY have its reporters focus instead on subject matter worthy of reading and on a topic that does affect everyday Americans; for example, the ever-increasing price of gas. Perhaps a full investigative report on that subject would be more alluring to readers.
G—- D—
Oceanside, California
I for one welcome our new NSA Insect Overlords.
#87 I try to accord her the respect she deserves and therefore, refer to her by the proper title; Secretary of Hate.
Yes, the press seems absolutely concerned and consumed by this shocking revelation. Not.
So far on the major web-pages, I’ve seen absolutely no references to this. Zip. (I haven’t checked ABC’s however.) I’ve seen gator attacks, alligators, lacrosse captain denials, and about 20 stories about Paris Hilton, but nothing about the rooting of fascism and complete destruction of the Bill of Rights. Hmmmmm….maybe there are stories about this in the sports sections.
Interesting, egregious 61 and PJ Evans 73.
Know nothing about voice prints, but could one argue that the quality of the bulk collection and re-processing makes voice printing unreliable? Just a thought.
It still would mean listening to the content of the conversation, but if Karl Rove pinkie swears, as Mr. Gillnetz 88 assures me he does, how can I doubt?
So this whole program is just another Bush incompetence boondoogle? If they weren’t so panicked about any one investigating I might believe it.
Evil Parallel Universe says:
May 15th, 2006 at 11:57 am
BTW, if some repug apologist comes up with the standard: “Well, if you have nothing to hide…†defense, please counter with the UNIVERSAL BLOCKER - What do Scooter, Rover, Darth Queeg, Hadley, Chimpy, Delay, etc, etc, etc., Rice(I’ve yet to see a good pejorative nickname for her - and we NEED one).
How about”CumDaPleezah”, IE; What she says at night to her husb-,I mean The President.
re:”backfire”
i believe the CIA calls it “blowback”. and maybe there’s a connection to “backwash”?
91 GSD says:
May 15th, 2006 at 12:40 pm
As long as we keep the federal government away things will be fine.
Though FEMA is reportedly sending truckloads of water to help.
-GSD
Those trucks just stopped in Albuquerque to re-fuel. Next stop - Seattle, to pick up the water. Then it’s on to LA to pick up the freeway.
HELP IS ON THE WAY!
In retrospect, fearful WH staffers, not to mention Rove himself, have used disposable cell phones for some time. It certainly reinforces concerns about who in fact does have knowledge of how the technology is being used without warrant on Americans, who has their hands on the information, and to what end.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com.....7640.shtml
GSD said:
Hey, I resemble that remark….and I understand Gloss-tah isn’t doing so hot. Hope zennurse is hanging in there.
Hearing that the Charles and the Merrimack rivers are in jeopardy of overflowing. This will not be good…many, many homes will be flooded badly. Keep your fingers crossed.
GSD, “Fema will be sending in truckloads of water”…made me laugh out loud.
1,053 DAYS AND THE KILLING GOES ON AND ON AND…
Christy,
Oh my lord, where’dja get that f***in gnome…I jest spent five minues rollin on the floor laughin ’till I had tears (thought I might have an MI and sleep in ICU tanight insted a workin there). Thanx, I been workin’ so much lately that between graduations and new freshman orientation, FDL has been my lifeline ta the outside world…thanx again for that little creature and for this site, you and Janie and Pach are real professional citizens (in the best sense a that phrase).
KEEP THE FAITH AND THEY’LL ALL MEET AGAIN IN HELL AFTER FITZ GETS DONE WITH ‘EM!!!
Basharov - That’s why I am omniscient. Although I will admit it was pretty obvious.
Re: EPU at #12 on needing a good nickname for the Sec’y of State.
I’ve always liked Kindasleezy Lies for Condoleeza Rice.
From Raw Story, this headline:
ABC reporter who broke story on Ed Schultz show 430 ET…
JG - should have been more specific with my choice of words - how dated i must sound. ‘trilateration’ would have been more appropriate ;).