(Today we'll be discussing Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus by Rick Perlstein. We'll be reading Part 2 for the following week when Rick himself will be joining us -- JH)
I grew up in a very rightwing household. My father was born in 1922 and has never voted for a Democrat, including Roosevelt in 1944 at the height of WWII. I recently came across a letter from my mother to her parents in 1960 in which she lamented about "that Mr Kennedy" stealing the election. Although we lived in many places, they were California Republicans --- the home of both Nixon and Reagan. (Both of those presidents used the Southern Strategy to get elected, but they weren't of the southern hierarchy that makes up the GOP today.) This was arch-conservatism of the old school.
Of all the politicians my Dad admired over the years (and there were actually precious few --- he's got a good radar for phonies) there was only one he truly respected: Barry Goldwater. This was his kind of guy --- a straight talker, completely open about his beliefs, unsanctimonious, a man's man without unnecessary polish or attitude. And he was as conservative as they came, just like my dad --- an anti-communist to the core, a strong believer in the use of military power and a fundamental belief in self-reliance (even if he, like my father, fudged the details.) These were people who never signed on to the New Deal and at the time Goldwater ran for president, there were very few liberal establishment types who believed such people even existed.
My parents were members of the Goldwater cult of 1964 --- and they gave me a taste of what it was like to be in the political minority as as a child when my third grade teacher had an election day event and the folks sent me to school festooned in Goldwater buttons in the year that Lyndon Johnson won in a landslide. There was only one other Goldwater kid in my class, the rest were dressed in Johnson gear (including cool cowboy hats) and there we were in our lonely little GOP corner feeling like our families must be from Mars. Perhaps that's why I became a Democrat at a very early age. ( Perhaps it's also why I love this book.)
There were, in fact, many people in this country who were energized and radicalized by Barry Goldwater's quixotic campaign, and more importantly his message, and what happened in that year set the table for the conservative revolution and the Republican political dominance of the next 40 years. His followers loved him and his message formed the heart of modern conservatism --- at least until its devil's pact with the rightwing Christianists took over. (And, of course, Goldwater conservatism was almost totally full of shit too, in its own way.) It's important for progressives to understand how and why they did it --- and even more importantly, to understand the way they were perceived at the time by the powers that be and how they coped with that perception.
Perlstein's book about that campaign and the forces that created it reads like a dream, bringing you into that period as if it were yesterday. The corniness of the 60's isn't something people remember so much now that the era has turned into a haze of nostalgic pot smoke. But there was always this other side --- an earnest, peppy atmosphere in the midst of cold war paranoia that Goldwater and his followers inhabited. Perlstein has a genuine insight into this time and these people, and an affectionate respect too, which you cannot help but feel as well when you see the kewl kidz and the big money boyz and the movers and shakers of their day treat them like fools and children.
In the book, Goldwater himself is revealed to be what Joe Klein and David Broder today would like to call "authentic" and that "authenticity" (some would call it bullheadedness) led to one of the most wildly mismanaged and often hilarious campaigns in history. He did it his way and lost in a historic landslide. But in the beginning, before that awful day in November 1963, as Goldwater was showing himself to be the up and comer against establishment candidates Rockefeller or Scranton, the political establishment struggled to figure out how to deal with phenomenon of wildly cheering young crowds who were following Goldwater everywhere he went:
Perlstein explains:
As early as his 1922 book, Public Opinion, Walter Lippmann had come to believe that the world was so complex that political decisions would best be left to a specialized class of experts. Three years later the Scopes "monkey trial" confirmed his conviction that a public uninstructed to expert opinion would succumb to the tyranny of the majority --- the very worst tyranny of all. Ideologically, the columnist vacillated from decade to decade, sometimes coming out liberal in foreign affairs and conservative in domestic, sometimes vice versa. But always, always, his thinking betrayed a constant: that he and his fellow pundits ---- Hindi for "wise men," a title first given to him by an admiring Henry Luce ---- were the nation's best defense against the terror of the mob.
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That was the subject of Robert Penn Warren's Pulitzer Prize-winning novel All The Kings Men (1946): the story of a rootless man (named Burden) who heals his alienation by filing himself with devotion for a charismatic strongman modeled after Louisiana governor Huey Long, then frees himself over the course of the story from what he increasingly realizes in an existential horror. Warren had Burden exclaim, "There is nothing like the roar of the crowd when it swells up, all of a sudden at the same time, out of the thing which is in every man in the crowd but is not himself."
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The American two-party system, it was thought, was a sublime bulwark against just such dangers. "each party is like some huge bazaar," wrote the sociologist Daniel Bell, "with hundreds of hucksters clamoring for attention." To win party leadership, the successful huckster must be bargainer, splitting most issues down the middle --- and as long as that was the case, extremists like Huey Long could never be more than a single yelping voice among the teeming throng. So it was that Walter Lippmann wrote in August that Goldwater's candidacy "strikes at the heart of the American party system." So it was that faced with the spectacle of a stadium of youth chanting Barry Goldwater's name, Lippman had but two choices: predict Goldwater's imminent movement to the ideological center, or brand him a fascist in the making.
...he chose to retreat into the cocoon of theory rather than record the evidence of his own senses: Goldwater, he reported, was becoming a moderate. "It is interesting to watch him, and comforting to think that the system is working so well." Lemminglike, others rushed to confirm the master. Pay attention to a "fascinating political biological process," The New Republic's columnist TRB instructed readers, "like watching a polliwog turn into a frog."
The journalists didn't consider Goldwater's test-ban vote, or his correction in the congressional record to revise a passage giving the mistaken impression that he had denounced tjhe radical right, or, indeed, the day after Lippman's pronunciamiento, a major speech Goldwater made on the Senate floor reaffirming his conviction that "profits are the surest sign of responsible behavior" --- or that he was only becoming more popular in the event... Like Lippman, many liberals simply denied facts that seemed too unlikely to countenance. At a party celebrating the opening of a press liaison office in D.C., the AP's top political analyst, James Marley, sniffed disdainfully over his cocktail that he polls showing Goldwater's overwhelming popularity over Rockefeller simply couldn't be true. (p 233, 234)
Plus ca change, eh? The Adam Nagourneys and Joe Kleins and David Broders of their day just refused to believe what they saw with their own eyes --- a grassroots movement made up of real, live ordinary citizens throwing all their energies into politics and following a man who by all accounts stood against what the mandarins called the political mainstream. The establishment refused to acknowledge the rise of the right. Indeed, many people still fail to see that the energy of the 60's was not a one sided "make love not war" anti-establishment movement. This was happening too --- and I would submit that its influence has been no less earth shaking than the New Left scaring the hell out of the straights in 1968. It's all part of the same political sweep that began with this odd duck of a candidate who refused to play by the rules and ended up making political history.
BTW: Is everyone aware that James Carville has just produced a remake of "All The King's Men?"
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But what happened to Roger’s post? Server migration weirdness?
Hey what just happened to Roger Ailes?
Tried to read comments to his post, gave me a “Fatal Error” message and “poof!”
Fitz!
Am I super baked or was there a roger ailes post just up here, that I read, and now it’s gone? replaced by the equally cute digby?
I only saw the book salon post with the cowboy picture.
Think this is because two guest posters went on at the same time. It has happened before, that one of them was pulled for later reposting. Shoot, I had the fitz on that one.
Thanks so much, Digby, that’s a superb review.
(The Roger Ailes post will reappear after the book discussion. As with last week, I’ll ask that people keep their comments on this particular thread to the topic of the book; those who want to discuss other things are invited to go to the previous thread here.)
Hello, everyone, Digby, and thanks to Jane for hosting a discussion on this book, which is a marvelous read. I’m not finished yet, but I’m loving it.
In the book, Goldwater himself is revealed to be what Joe Klein and David Broder today would like to call “authentic” and that “authenticity” (some would call it bullheadedness) led to one of the most wildly mismanaged and often hilarious campaigns in history. .
Great paragraph, Digby. I have a much older brother who was all for Goldwater for this very reason. (By the way, he ended up in politics.) We’ve had many a discussion on Goldwater and the era. Many people don’t appreciate Goldwater, the phenom, not to mention the rise of the Republican machine, which was in place during JFK.
I did not grow up in a right-wing household — though I learn with horror from Pearlstein’s book that I grew up within an hour’s drive of the city in which the John Birch Society was founded, Indianapolis. (My sister remembers the billboard near City Hall, which read something like: “If you don’t like niggers and kikes, the John Birch Society is for you.”
This is one of the many “OMG moments” in Pearlstein’s wonderful book. The one that first made me slap my forehead and say “Oh My God!” is on 114, where Robert Welch, the John Birch founder, takes his book to — you guessed it — Regnery.
I’ve always that the ascendance of the the hard right (to be generous) under Bush’s rule was kinda like that scene in Alien where the alien bursts out of Kane’s stomach, but Perlstein shows us the entire gestation period–and even humanizes the alien. To an extent.
Of course, since I grew up in a liberal household, I would think these guys are alien…
Wow Digby. You just figured something out that has been bugging me for a long time. My mother is a rabid wingnut. I didn’t know this until the late 80’s when she “suddenly” developed a Rush Limbaugh Laura Schlesinger (I lived in LA then) habit. Couldn’t figure it out. Have never figured it out - since our family has never been religious (my mother is still not a fundamentalist x-tian) or in any way socially conservative.
But this brought bac memories. I remember that Johnson-Goldwater election. I was 7 years old, and my mother was one of those “young people” (she would’ve been 31) who just adored Goldwater. I never ever got that she was part of a movement. Never knew it existed - and of course, by the time I became a pot-smoking teenager on birth control, Goldwater was just a joke. Or so we thought then.
Now I am going to go back and read your post again.
A confession. I haven’t finished Before The Storm yet. This is a huge, dense, chewy book. That’s a good thing, but there’s only so much I can comment on today. ;)
Leave us not forget that late in his life, Goldwater disavowed much of what he earlier stood for, or at least how it was interpreted by the radical Christian right, which he correctly saw as out to destroy the Republicans from within.
In the end, he came to represent the contrarian, libertarian wing of his party, which probably its only defensible element these days. But where are the defenders — lecturing at Bob Jones University?
My dad was a big Goldwater republican too, and in Massachusetts at the time that was no small thing. By the time the ‘68 convention came around he was in the Rockefeller camp and I’m not quite sure how that happened but I seem to remember something about “Rockefeller will be honest because he’s too rich to steal.” I would like to think Dad would retract that thought if he were still around.
If your only real knowledge of the 60s is that handed down by popular culture (as mine, I admit, by and large is) the notion that youth politics was dominated by hippies and anti-war protestors is quite pervasive. I was quite shocked to see the size of conservative student groups in the early 60s relative to those in SDS (I can’t find the page quote right now but it was something like 25,000 to 250). That certainly caused a revamp of my thinking.
Yes, Goldwater was authentic, all right. He was authentically extreme, too.
John McCain took Goldwater’s seat, you know. He’s much, much more slick, however. He’s selling his “authenticity” to the mandarins first.
I was a 7-year old in rural Georgia in 1964. I distinctly remember being told that we were for Goldwater because Johnson would integrate the schools. (Actually it was phrased somewhat differently, as I’m sure you can imagine.)
I suppose that Goldwater gained a lot of support in the South for precisely that reason. The beginnings of the South’s embrace of the GOP?
Digby, thank you for a compelling post. Goldwater carried a strange fascination for some, but I am old enough to remember his willingness to bomb the USSR in the 60’s.
My mom’s family are Illinois Republicans, in fact Dutch Reagan saved my aunt from drowning when he was a lifeguard.
Being a Republican for them meant taking care of oneself and one’s community instead of looking to the government for help. Although in case of a huge natural disaster of course government help was expected; how things have changed. Just regular middle class people, real Christians instead of the imposters you find leading the party now.
I had hoped to participate in this discussion but the new paperback copy I ordered through an Amazon reseller 2 weeks ago has not arrived yet… oh well
In the 1960s I was in my twenties and vaguely liberal - this book will be interesting history. Since 1970 I have been intensely political and always been “well informed” on world and national affairs…
One of the joys of Perlstein’s book is in , what Digby pointed out, image “authenticity. In the case of Goldwater you had a charismatic man who was packaged as that most American of icons; the American cowboy. The fact that he was actually the wealthy scion, who happened to be half-Jewish, of a department store chain never really entered into the equation. In fact, Goldwater was more cowboy than dilettante; a horseback riding, gun-toting son of the west. Excerpts from this blueprint were later used effectively with Ronald Reagan who wasn’t a cowboy, but played one on TV and in the movies. Add to that, the Reagan ranch, the horseback riding, and the brush-cutting, and the image carries forward.
Jump forward a few years and we see a less “authentic” version featuring George W. Bush, the preppy from Texas who has the requisite ranch (Rancho Borracho), the boots , and again with the brush cutting. Unfortunately for his image-makers he is afraid of horses, so they are forced to substitute a white American truck for the traditional hero’s white stallion.
This is defining “authenticity” down.
goldwater was reagan’s “john the baptist”. he came “out of the wilderness”. the first sign. i didn’t consider voting for him. compared to nixon, though, he was the real deal. i may be wrong, but i think he would be disgusted by what is going on now in the republican party and what the republican congress has done, to say nothing of what Peabrain and his controllers have done.
Great Book review Digby. It does exactly what a good review should do, make me want to read a book I might otherwise not have even glanced at.
Perlstein does a wonderful job of setting the scene and explaining how conservatives thought of the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s. I’m beginning to understand where they’re coming from.
My family went through extremely hard times in the depression and 40’s, so to read that the people who were doing ok then hated the New Deal beccause it was a threat to their way of life was interesting. They didn’t care that the New Deal helped millions, only how it affected them.
So basically, my view of conservatives as selfish is unchanged.
I think the “authenticity” label is actually a code word for the image of John Wayne’s America. I think deconstructing that word, as you suggest, Digby, through your mentioning of McCain, is the game.
One of the other things I found fascinating was the victim/martyr/beleagured minority self-image that has characterized the modern conservative movement since its inception. But rather than get demoralized by that notion (as so often seems to happen on the left) it really fuels them. The image of people like Manion sitting there into the wee hours of the night cranking away at a mimeograph machine is much like the warbloggers banging away at their keyboards.
I know you’ve commented before Digby on the bookend nature of this movement — just as Perlstein’s book documents the beginnings, so now we’re watching it go to seed (intellectually most certainly, and politically with any luck). The National Review has been midwife to it all along, and the vigorous arguments of Buckley et. al. have been replaced by a bunch of lazy, third-rate nepotistic hires.
There’s something in that.
I question the assertion that Goldwater can be said to be “authentic.” (Though it all depends on what the meaning of the word “authentic” is.) The SCLM is preparing us for a Man-on-a-White-Horse scenario with McCain using the exact same storyline.
Consider this passage from Pearlstein (126):
I’m not saying that Goldwater is a hypocrite; nothing so simple. Rather, it seems that his lack of awareness of how he “became Goldwater” is so deep is to be almost pathological.
Somewhat like the wingers who made it to the middle class on the strength of the GI Bill, and then started railing about government handouts.
And somewhat like the states who voted for Bush, and also turn out to be net winners in the struggle for the taxpayer’s largesse, complaining about big government while raking in the subsidies….
Not sure how to translate this perception, if correct, into a winning political argument, though. Perhaps others can help me with that…
What I don’t get about “authenticity” is why the media decided that some people are “authentic” - McCain, Bush etc- while others like Kerry and Gore are not.
I thought McCain going down to liberty university would finally maybe give the press corps pause- but the guy tells people at Liberty U. we should all be more “respectful” of other people’s opinions and both on Meet the Press and This Week they were fawning all over him again. I really don’t get it.
Lambert 9 — didn’t you guys do a great post about the Regnery family a while back?
Digby 14 — There’s that odd moment on p. 84 when Perlstein says of Goldwater, “Almost alone among successful politicians, he took slights personally.” I have a feeling McCain takes them quite personally too and just does a very good job of covering for it. On a personal level he’s supposed to be quite an asshole. It may turn out to be his achilles heel.
Lambert 24 — “it seems that his lack of awareness of how he “became Goldwater†is so deep is to be almost pathological.”
That is incredibly odd, isn’t it? There was quite a Chauncy Gardener streak in him.
actually knew some Peace Corps folks who voted for Goldwater b/c they felt he was could be trusted to do exactly what he said he would do, versus LBJ who in their minds, said one thing and did another - jeesh, they grew up and turned out ok
and Digby, thanks for joining us again.
“But there was always this other side — an earnest, peppy atmosphere in the midst of cold war paranoia that Goldwater and his followers inhabited.”
spot on !
Goldwater pioneered fear-based suburban politics. His use of direct mail, or rather, his supporters’ use of direct mail led, to the New Right’s success in the mid to late 1970s. He introduced all sorts of wingnut ideas that are now mainstream. His base was a minority of the country - suburbs - that was growing very rapidly in population, economic power, and cultural reach. The parallels to today are obvious; the internet and the blue state culture dominate the youth and are directly responsible for the technologically oriented part of our economy.
We even have our own direct mail alternative media stream - the blogs and the internet. Goldwater had a vision for an illiberal America based on walls, fantasy, and hypocrisy, and he was the first to articulate it. We have a vision too, but it hasn’t been articulated yet by any politician, though Wellstone and Dean came closest.
Oh and my favorite phrase so far — Scott Reston’s description in the New York Times of students conservatives as “young fogies.”
I’m using that one.
p 231
“Almost everybody in Washington has violent views about it pro-or con, wrote Scotty Reston of Goldwater’s front runner status for the nomination, “except Barry himself.” Mary McGrory followed Goldwater back to Washington as he ducked in at the Chevy Chase Women’s Republican Club for an off the cuff Q&A: One of the ladies asked about that awful Bobby Kennedy, and Goldwater responded by speaking about the attorney general with touching affection. McGrory recalled how Jack Kennedy behaved at a similar stage in his campaign: spouting statistics, attacking carefully chosen enemies and puffing all the right friends, quoting dead greeks, never cracking a joke lest he remind the voters how young he was. “Senator Goldwater doesn’t strain at all,” she marvelled. “He is entirely himself.”
My, oh My, the comfortable man vs the stiff. Where have we heard that before?
Two names that stood out to me were Brent Bozell and Phyllis Schlafly. I had no idea either started in politics quite that long ago. And neither one has given up.
Jane, that’s such a good comparison of Manion and the basement dwelling warbloggers.
Hello. I am about one-third way through the book and it is an incredibly dense, almost encyclopedic book about the who’s who in bringing the neocon world to us today. And IMO the book should have been called “history is prologue.”
Name after name, group after group, word after word, it is like reading today’s news. I have only general impressions:
the idea that they would run a conservative democrat against a more conservative republican and let the people choose between 2 similar ideas — back in the 60’s that must have been rather novel;
also the idea to start a new group for each new idea with one person and a mail drop seems to be in vogue;
also the republican idea to push out the moderates and stack a convention with radical college republicans being run ruthlessly seems familiar;
every page sounds soooo familiar. I lost track of the countless names and wished for a bibliography rather than just an index. I needed flashcards with who’s who to read subsequent chapters but it is enlightening. I just keep reading but have to put it down out of frustration.
Another theme of the book is that the wedge issues that so polarize us today started to be driven in the 1960 election (though probably you have to go back to the 3/5 of a man compromise in the Constitution for the Mother of All Wedge Issues). Pearlstein writes about the day after MLK was arrested in Atlanta for his first sit-in:
Origins of the Southern Strategy right there.
(And so much for Goldwater’s “authenticity,”BTW)
Digby 30 — and they sent the woman to do it. Shades of that Ole 60 Grit bitch confab you always quote where they take down Clinton for being girly and prop up Commander Codpiece. The messaging hasn’t gotten much more sophisticated, only the delivery system.
GrandmaJ — also how they would go to a convention and fan out in a diamond shape, a la the Stalinists, to make their numbers seem larger than they were when they would clap and cheer.
Before reading the book, my public knowledge of Goldwater was that he was an earnest republican who disliked where his party had gone.
But he was a true blue ‘hate the government while soaking up its handouts’ type of rich guy. And never saw the contradiction. People around him were maipulating words even back then.
I think p.315 says so much. Talking about Hess, a “former professional gunsmith.” It’s very Bush, a model for G.W. That “Goldwater’s choice of a bunch of hip-shooting cowboys to run his campaign was practically the message of the campaign.”
The “Arizona mafia” completes the political picture.
Jane: you callow youth, you! the SDS’ers, the hippies, and the larger number of idealistic war protesters were definitely a small group. they got a lot of press/media coverage which create the impression of something bigger. they pushed the right buttons. i think a lot of what is in people’s memories is the rollout into popular culture, the seventies basically, but by then, especially after nixon fell, the political passion was long diffused and it became “oh well…. let’s get stoned.” meanwhile the right wing continued to drive on, building.
I haven’t read the book -I didn’t realize it was out of print. (I will never blow off FDL customer service again! -something came in the e-mail about how to get it but I didn’t pay attention.)
So I just have a few questions.
1. Does the book look into the reason for BG’s authenticity? Was he supposed to authentic at the time? (IMHO, in the US authenticity has more to do with pose of being part of US self-reliant individualistic cowboy mythos that anything authentic. How was BG more authentic that LBJ? In any real sense LBJ was authentic authetntic. Real authentic authentic is not good marketing tool sense it is liable to have an unpleasant side -as in LBJ’s vulgar scatalogical and sexual vulgarity, and truly squalid womanizing). Reagan’s and Bush’s authenticity totally manufactured. And I think Goldwater always had a very strong libertarian side that would not have gone well with NR cultural conservatism. That true? If so, that could not have been part of the Goldwater “authentic” package, if it was a PR packag.
2. What is sense of people after reading the book of the relationship between dedicated grass roots and big money backing. Goldwater may have been grassroots. But was Reagan his progeny in that sense? Seems to me I read Reagan was a project of rightwing GE corporate public propaganda campaign. Where would the Goldwater grassroots dedication gone if it had not been for big money backing. I have read that in the background was a very expensive corporate rightwing PR campaign (maybe growing out of Ike’s cold war propaganda machine?).
Jsne:
Re lambert 9:
Yes, farmer did one of his famous slash and burn, take no prisoners research jobs on the Regnery family.
Great description of the book, Digby. I read Pearlstein’s book when it came out 5 years ago, and it was a real eye opener. Pearlstein maes two extremely valuable contributions. First, his book lays out the modern conservative movement from conception through adulthood, including vignettes of all the fathers, mothers, aunts, and uncles of the movement. For that reason alone, the book is indispensible as a “family tree” of modern conservativism.
Second, as Digby mentions, Pearlstein explains (in a way I had never seen before) that the spirit of the 1960s wasn’t confined to the left, as today’s conventional wisdom assumes. The modern conservative movement is another child of the 1960s.
Lambert 24/Jane 27 … I think that’s something all politicians are probably prone to. The clear implication of Perlstein’s book is that all these reactionary feelings and forces — along with all that right-wing money — were building the whole time, waiting for the right moment and the right face.
Goldwater, to a large extent, just happened to be the face. How does someone balance in their mind just being a front man selected to play a role — but a role that demands endless assertions of one’s own morality and authenticity? Probably through lots of denial about the role-playing part.
That’s especially true when the front man becomes President.
Goldwater, John Birchers, oh how everyone who pretended to the Eastern Establishment in the 60s laughed…
But nobody was laughing anymore once Nixon and then George Wallace rolled around.
oh and The OtherWA @21,
probably mangling it and can’t rememeber who said it, but there’s a wonderful quote out there that conservative thought is the elaborate justification of selfishness
Digby’s tale of being one of two Goldwater kids, mirrors an experience I enjoyed just 8 years later, when myself and my best friend at the time were the only McGovern supporters in the entire class.
Before we voted, the class had a “debate” and I represented McGovern. I fear that I was unable to persuade any of my second grade classmates to vote against their parents, not that I was.
Thanks for the memories.
Kent
grandma J #32:
This is the essence of a movement. These people signed on for the long haul. And they just kept on trucking. They lived through Goldwaters defeat and Nixon’s disgrace. Things became markedly better when the big money donors got on board and created a paying political industry. (I suspect Rick will be writing about that development in the future.) Ronnie, of course, was nirvana.
But yes, you read about that pimply faced kid Morton Blackwell doing dirty tricks at the 64 convention — and he’s still at it. He’s the guy who came up with those “purple heart” band-aids at the 2004 GOP Nuremburg Rally.
Digby,
We must be about the same age. I remember being in 3rd grade and trying to explain to my best friend why Goldwater was not either racist!–he was just, um, for a strategy that took a little more time. I think that’s how it went.
My parents were married the year before the Depression and I think my Dad had been a fan of FDR, but thereafter was very much a GOP person. He loved Goldwater. All the rest of my school friends had pictures in their houses of Jesus and JFK…not us.
I’m not of the view that Goldwater “became” Goldwater. I think, as in the case of many wealthy families, there is a belief that the world is theirs for the taking, and take they do.
Goldwater had the conservative principles in his heart (whether they are wrong or right depends on your views) that appealed to the very conservative hardcore in this country. But he also had that heroic image that the somewhat left-of-hard-right-wing thinks is the American ideal. And they still do.
One of the events that Perlstein mentions that caught my eye, was early-career Goldwater flying himself to campaign stops and descending from his plane to the adoring crowds like some god from the sky. For you kids, this was before Mission Accomplished banners were invented…
The description of Stephen Shadegg sounds a bit like Rove. “A man fascinated by the space between deception and detection.” Maybe less ruthless than Rove (I haven’t finished the book, so I could be wrong about that.) Find the Indifferent voters and manipulate their emotions so they vote for a certain candidate, even if the candidate’s philosophy is completely different than the voter’s.
Two names that stood out to me were Brent Bozell and Phyllis Schlafly.
A little too much information about Schafly, if you ask me….
Lambert 33 — Oh and RE Goldwater’s “authenticity,” he had no interest in Walter Reuther and his idealistic politicized unions; he was much more fond of Hoffa even after he admitted receiving bribes before McClellan’s “Rackets” committee.
“I would rather have Hoffa stealing my money,” he declared, “than Reuther stealing my freedom.”
His rich man resentment of unions an union organizers betrayed the inherent selfish, me-first priorities of his world view.
It seems hard to imagine now that there were Republicans who stood up for civil rights and genuinely felt a responsibility toward African American voters who had voted for them since the time of Lincoln. That was an extremely brief historical moment; the GOP did not put up much of a struggle against the Southern Strategy.
fahrender #38: I agree. As one who started working for the Dems in Jr H and HS, in the ruins of McGovern, the left was not very big. And also, there were (from my viewpoint) callow libertarian, silly anarchist, incoherent Trotskyite/anarchist/libertarian/durg addled mistures, and even cynical style reactionary tendancies in my older boomer gen siblings. A very mixed bag.
That kind of made showing up to work for local Dems fun, since there were not many of us, and we pretty much did what we wanted.
Back in the 60’s with Brent Bozell and William Buckley lighting the fire in the east (were there any dems of the era that thought long term as they did?) worte pamphlets and speeches. If I am remebering, isn’t Conscience of a Conservative a pamphlet of a Goldwater speech written by … a guy named White?
Note: I made notes while reading but now can’t find them. Wish I had kids or a dog at home to blame their loss on… Also, please forgive all typos for this ‘consversation.’ Normally I would correct, but it takes up too much ‘thread’..
tbogg 47 — It was very Lindberg. I think you read Philip Roth’s Plot Against America, didn’t you? That’s how Lindberg ran his imaginary presidential campaign in the book. Selling the “flyboy” imagery.
Digby!
the Birchers really humped for Goldwater … Veep Danny Quayle was raised in a Bircher household in Indiana but he’s now living in Arizona
wsgpc 39–
I can speak to the “the relationship between dedicated grass roots and big money backing” somewhat.
One of my (many, many) “OMG moments” was on page 11 (back home in Indiana, sigh…)
Pearlstein makes the point many times that the “family owned manufacturers” were essential to boostrapping what we have come to call the VRWC. (Now, of course, the VRWC funding comes from winger billionaires, and globalization has hollowed out the manufacturers.
But I love the Robotype machine as a metaphor.
Fast forward 20 years, and you have the Republican direct mail operations.
Fast forward 40 years, and you have winger bloggers–becuase, nota bene the key feature of the Robotype from the standpoint of information architecture is that it is one way and top down. Just like the right wing blogosphere today, with its mysterious ability to change “the line” almost as efficiently as a loyalist to Stalin.
TheOtherWa — I also find Shadegg a predecessor to Rove it would seem. His description of truth to be relative (I think that was his word) is chilling. And the whole idea of going after the indifferent voter who can be persuaded by a simple ‘emotional’ issue and vote against his own best interests is enlightening. That is Rove’s whole strategy. And as we speek, he is looking for just those voters. And, unfortunately I know some.
I was a college student at a very conservative Church of Christ college (I was followed there by Ken Starr) when Goldwater ran. I still believe that if he (the ‘War’ candidate) had won rather than Johnson (the ‘Peace’ candidate), the subsequent build up and ugly quaqmire in Viet Nam would not have happened. Congress would have been too skeptical to have ever swallowed the Gulf of Tonkin nonsense if it had been proposed by Goldwater.
Still, I recognize that Goldwater’s positions were simplistic and that his vision of conservatism was stylized to the point of characature, but like many others I responded positively to the MAN. Whatever else can be said of him, he was honest and direct (probably disqualifying him for president).
Just as he later repudiated the War and came out in support of gay rights, I suspect that he would be apalled at the travesty that ‘conservative’ politicians present today. Whatever else he was, a strict ideologue he was not. Facts and human judgment always seemed to trump conservative ideology wherever there was a mismatch. I would put Barry up against anyone in the Bush administration as a real human being. Unlike the current crop of so called conservatives, Goldwater was willing to admit when he was wrong.
One might also say that the Rove handbook has taken a page from the Johnson handbook (pg 483):
That was the technique by which Johnson was holding crowds in the palm of his hand: convincing them that he was the true conservative in the race - the calmer of fears, the bringer of order, the preserver of peace; the father tucking a vulnerable electorate in after banishing the monsters from under the bed with a bedtime story.
Thus our current Bedwetter Nation…
Jane 50:
One of our family stories is about my grandfather (on my mother’s side) collecting his food and silverware from a buffet, sitting down, saying I’ve got mine and starting to eat, though none of the rest of us had anything….
He was, of course, a small manufacturer (the plant long since bought up and destroyed), hated Social Security, and all the rest. Though I loved him dearly, what an attitude.
#39:
Does the book look into the reason for BG’s authenticity? Was he supposed to authentic at the time? (IMHO, in the US authenticity has more to do with pose of being part of US self-reliant individualistic cowboy mythos that anything authentic. How was BG more authentic that LBJ? In any real sense LBJ was authentic authetntic. Real authentic authentic is not good marketing tool sense it is liable to have an unpleasant side -as in LBJ’s vulgar scatalogical and sexual vulgarity, and truly squalid womanizing). Reagan’s and Bush’s authenticity totally manufactured. And I think Goldwater always had a very strong libertarian side that would not have gone well with NR cultural conservatism. That true? If so, that could not have been part of the Goldwater “authentic†package, if it was a PR packag.
“Authenticity” is something the beltway elite bestow on candidates they find appealing. no politician is authentic in the way the kewl kidz mean it. It’s their construct, not reality. (This is why Joe Klein is even more stupid than most. He’s written a whole book about this dumb insider bullshit.)
Lippman knew that Goldwater was a far right extremist (and he believed what he said, while filled with the inconsistencies that all alleged “free market” extremists are filled with.) But he couldn’t face the idea that the two party system in which he had so much faith could produce an extreme candidate for president. So, he ignored the evidence and said Goldwater was “evolving.”
Has anyone read Jon Chait’s article about McCain only pretending to be a far right wingnut because he has to and that makes him even more loveably authentic than he otherwise would be? See what you want to see.
This is a Beltway mentality disease. These candidates may or may not be “authentic” but the insiders and opinion leaders like to pretend that some are and some aren’t — and yes, “authentic” often translates into some sort of sophomoric Hollywood heroism.
They all thought he was terrific, although the screaming kids made them very nervous. (Remember Dean?) It’s hard to know what they would have done if it hadn’t happened, but Kennedy’s assassination changed the whole storyline. Suddenly, the far right looked awfully dangerous. And just like *that* the storyline changed on old Barry. He was no longer loveably authentic. He was someone who couldn’t possibly win the GOP nomination:
Page 252:
“In republican circles that fancied themselves polite, the conclusion was drawn quietly. The press, less courtly, didn’t let a decent interval pass: Lee Harvey Oswald had cut down barry Goldwater;s chances as surely as he hhad John kennedy’s life. Dixie would never reject one of their own for president in the voting booth. And without the Eastern establishment as his opponent, it was thought, Goldwater lost much of his appeal. No, said the Herald tribune’s Robert Novak, the new front-runner would have to be “a proper Republican candidate” — a moderate who could win the Big Six. Gallup confirmed the trend: Goldwater’s approval rating since the assassination was down sixteen points. And so, one by one, proper — moderate — Republicans began floating to the fore.”
Once again, as always, they were wrong.
Digby 45:
Morton Blackwell! OMG!!!
Dan Quayles maternal grandfather; Eugene Pulliam.
There ya go…
One of the things that strikes me about Before the Storm is what it reveals about the nature of the conservative movement, particularly its soft white underbelly: its nascent extremism.
The close proximity of old-style fascists to the McCarthyites and Birchers has, of course, been thoroughly documented. What makes Perlstein so valuable is that he documents their formative role in the modern conservative movement.
This makes the pathological nature of the conservative movement a great deal clearer, I think.
So much of the right-wing pathology is constituted of its appeal, by virtue of this latent extremism, to the really ugly side of human nature. This produces all kinds of bizarre manifestations: the hooker parties, the drug addictions, and most of all, the mania for power at all costs.
The right predicates its image on being moral and upright, representing a kind of American traditionalism, but its underlying nature is a festering cloaca of senescent amorality, and its ends are nothing short of a reactionary revolution.
This understanding is critical for the rest of us — centrists and progressives alike — to adequately and effectively confront the movement. Knowing that extremism is their soft white underbelly, I think it makes sense to strike there.
Talk about it openly. Start drawing attention to it. Expose it.
Also, speaking of the unions, how the republicans bought up and used unions back then, while just the other night right here we had a post about how union leaders do not speak for their memebers any more than D.C. dems speak for us. History IS prologue..
Oh and I would like to express my appreciation for Perlstein’s skills as a dramatist. He sets the stage perfectly for Eisenhower to waltz out, cranky and disgarded, wto give his farewell address in 1961 as he spoke about the century’s great wars and of the Cold War:
It was one of those Oracle-at-Delphi moments, the truth of which would certainly take decades to become apparent and only after it came to fruition.
tbogg 59:
Re “Bedwetter nation”
Pearlstein also makes the point that an official climate of fear–this was fallout shelter time–enables even more extreme forms of fear-mongering to flourish.
Sound familiar?
Lambert,
I find myself currently ensconsed within 50 miles (an hour drive from Indianapolis) and I had no Idea that the John Birch society started there.
I also, until your mention of the billboard had any idea that they were so reactionary.
Must have been started by dead enders from the halcyon days of Klan Power in Indiana.
Just curious, did you grow up in b-town?
Kent
David 64:
You write:
I’ve found the phrase “Winger Projection Syndrome” very useful in this regard. All the “senescent amorality” is projected onto others, and, as Jane points out, they frame their goals of “reactionary revolution” as a just response by the victimized.
Projection, projection, projection…
Not sure how to find a cure. Other than “name it and claim it.”
Well, I haven’t yet read this book…but I’m wondering, IF I’m correct in sensing that Goldwater set off a conservative movement that, over many years, “re-tooled” the “R” structure, and yielded many “R” team presidents….are we seeing the same thing, but on the opposite end, with this progressive democratic grassroots movement of today? Is this the early stages of where Goldwater and his movement was, oh, say, circa 1962ish?
Ghostman
TBogg: Eugene Pulliam (the grandpa of Danny Quayle) and publisher of “The Arizona Republic” endorsed LBJ in 1964 but in 1946 had put Goldwater into politics as a reform candidate! The Pulliams also owned the Indpls Star and it also endorsed LBJ. The Star used to be a tad to the right of the Volkisches Beobacher. It’s now a Gannett paper…
One of the things that you learn from the book is the pure dedication that the rightwing extremists bring to their work. Like Chuck Colson they would walk over their grandmothers to get what they want. Whereas it seems to me that many liberals (and I don’t like using “progressive’ which is a word used by those who let others dictate to them that “liberal” is a dirty word) think that they can win because they are so darn earnest.
See: gunfight, bringing a knife to
Until there is a truly vicious liberal wing out there to do the dirty work (where are our Swiftboaters?) the conservatives will have the upper hand.
Ghostman - Conscience of a Conservative was published in 1960 by Manion and Schlafly. Schlafly’s public rise began around 1964, I believe, with Human Events magazine (yeah, that one) publishing around 80,000 copies before J.F.K. was gone.
tbogg:
++ on “liberal” Next time I fly into Dallas I’m having a “Proud Liberal” t-shirt made specially.
David Neiwert 64 — This produces all kinds of bizarre manifestations: the hooker parties, the drug addictions, and most of all, the mania for power at all costs.
I thought Buckley’s comment following the Sharon Conference (of young conservatives) was intteresting:
They can tart it up in any high-flown language they want, but this is the pig they are contantly lipsticking.
where are ‘our’ swiftboaters? Most of the known dems have been bought out and ideals hallowed out by money, i.e. Murdoch holding a fundraiser for Hillary.
Media, union ldeadership, D.C. dems — All have problems. But we do have people starting to stand up, like Jane and Christy, Dean, Feingold and many others who are shouting out. If our liberal pushback is similar to where the neocons were in the 60’s, we have a loooong path to recovery.
“Apetite [lust] for power…”
It’s like the Republicans are the Id of American Politics.
What’s a poor Superego to do?
Ms. Marsh: hi! But, I’m not understanding your comment?
Ghostman
Digby,
What a fascinating post (as usual)! I too think that we are of the same age range - My Father was a career civil servant in D.C. and I can recall a subtle remark he made about how all government agencies in the Washington district were REQUIRED to post a picture of LBJ in the work area (with the cost of said photo charged to their budget)and in 1964 Goldwater came in and promised to end said practice if he was elected -needless to say the photos and budget deductions continued until, surprise, Nixon put an end to this.
#70
I hope so. Say what you will about the Republicans (and I say plenty) they have dedication and committment. They didn’t give a damn what people said, they just pressed on, full speed ahead.
#72 Tbogg:
I think the internet game is where liberals will play hardball. I doubt that we’re going to find swiftboaters ready to sign on, but there seem to be plenty who are willing to play very, very tough.
I suspect we might use some other means — like scathing humor and ridicule for instance. Do you know anything about that?
This is the single best book on movement politics I have read.
Tbogg,
“Until there is a truly vicious liberal wing out there to do the dirty work (where are our Swiftboaters?) the conservatives will have the upper hand.”
I hope we don’t have to become them to beat them.Fight,yes,sell my soul,no.
Goldwater started to build the wingnut direct mail base.
Dean started to build the internet base of liberals.
I see humor as a great weapon(J.C.Christan,patriot)
“What was so striking in the students who met at Sharon is their appetite for power.â€
They can tart it up in any high-flown language they want, but this is the pig they are contantly lipsticking.
Amen. That was the one frustration I kept having in reading Rick’s detailed narration, as a student of current events rather than history: The repeated urge to yell, “But they’re FAKING it!”
Sorry, Ghostman, being cryptic, my fault. Conscience of a Conservative was Goldwater’s book that made him and set off a firestorm that led to so many followers, including Hillary Clinton, let me add. It was an important moment in the Republican movement. Human Events even had outreach at that time, which was a start of a lot of Rep. rags.
Sorry, this is slightly OT, but I was struck by the many childhood recollections of Goldwater posted here.
I live in DC, and during the 2000 election fiasco my daily commute took me right past the VP’s (i.e., Gore’s) home. Every evening for almost 2 weeks, among the many protesters, was a young boy, maybe 8 years old, there with his father. I was so struck by him, his young, sweet, cherub-like face, so screwed with hate and rage as he yelled, night after night, “Bush, Bush, Bush.”
I think this goes to Niewart’s post @ 64, the right-wing pathology and the way the instill this hatred in their children at such a young age. This pathology, now of course, is magnified by the home-schooling movement. (And yes, I realize not all home-schoolers are crazed right-wingers.)
tbogg 72 — Until there is a truly vicious liberal wing out there to do the dirty work (where are our Swiftboaters?) the conservatives will have the upper hand.
Reporting for duty…*
Also I might add until we start supporting our thinkers (and we actually have them, as opposed to wingnut-welfare subsidized regurgitators) we are going to be at a disadvantage. Which is why I’d like to say thank you, personally, to everyone who showed up today to discuss the book, to everyone who bought it or borrowed it or checked it out of the library and read it or just read through the thread here and who goes to work on Monday morning and talks about it at the water cooler.
Thanks to you all. Rick’s new book, the sequel to Before the Storm, will be coming out soon, and supporting works like this is critical to the construction of a LIBERAL infrastructure (happy, T?)
*Should note — swift boaters are by definition liars, and there is really no need.
The union angle in the book is interesting too. Growing up, one of my best friends dad was a steelworker and he made darn good money (because of the union) for that time. They had the bigger house, the nicer cars, they better vacations. They had it all. And as they became better off, they became more conservative (gotta keep what is ours!). In many ways, the sucess of the unions created the Reagan Republicans. Once the union negotaited better pay got them into the upper middle class, they were determined to stay there.
One of my other friends (this was when I was about twenty) was a grandson from the maternal side of the Pulliam family. It was at their house that I met Barry Goldwater. This part of the family was the more Democratic wing: the father was a former Kennedy Cabinet member.
One last connection to Goldwater. Goldwater had a very tight circle of loyalists who became quite wealthy through their affliation to him. Kleindienst was one. Robert Mardian was another. Both were wedged into the Nixon Administration by Goldwater. We all know about Kleindienst, and Mardian eventually became one of the Watergate 7. About 15 years ago I worked for Robert Mardian and he remained absolutely a Goldwater man every day of his life. If I asked him about Nixon, her would always refer to him as “that lying sonuvabitch”.
Goddam, I’ve been around too many Republicans.