
Lambert made this catch over at Corrente this morning -- why is George Bush standing in front of a photo that shows all the internet "choke points" that a program reading all our emails would tap into? Says Lambert:
Remember the Times story on “secret rooms” at the telcos that only the NSA could enter? Those secret rooms are (probably) these choke points.
I don't know if this is true and I doubt if many people do (although I am of the Digby school which says that the whole effort is using the "war on terror" as a front, unless you consider liberals to be terrorists -- which the Bush Administration quite openly admits.) What I'm quite certain of, however, is that there is no reason why any and all Democrats in congress are not signing on to John Conyers' amicus briefs in the ACLU vs. NSA and CCR vs. Bush cases.
Now we know someone has to follow Tim Russert around to mop up the piddle every time someone mentions the name John Conyers. And Steny Hoyer is no doubt down at the White House asking Dubya how he would like him to respond. But considering that this is no longer the province of bloggers, but has made its way to the front page of USA Today, it seems appropriate that the rest of them should take a stand.
Seventy-two Representatives have signed on. Is yours one of them? You can call toll free to the US Capitol and find out at 888-355-3588. [Update: You can also ask them where they stand on the new Conyers/Harman "Lawful Intelligence and Surveillance of Terrorists in an Emergency by NSA Act, or The LISTEN ACT, while you're at it.]
My Congresswoman, Darlene Hooley, isn't -- according to the folks at Loaded Orygun. I called this morning, spoke with an aid named Adam Daniel, sent him a link to the story and said I'd like to hear back from them.
I think all our representatives could do with a little public noise on this front today. I mentioned the USA Today article and Hooley's office, though nice, really didn't seem to have much idea of what I was talking about.
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Impeach!
“fing”?
We’re going to save a lot of money when Congress and the courts disband.
I’m proud to say that my rep is one of them!
Wow, check the pissed look on blowingupfrogswithfirecrackersboy.
This just up on Raw Story (a half hour or less):
Washington on edge over Rove, again… Networks plan to stake out courthouse Friday… Developing hard….
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Won’t be the first bet I lost but it’d be the best!!
‘White House sources say that Snow aims to counter criticism of the administration in an aggressive manner”
Yeah, as the newest member of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders - come out from behind that monitor !
Mean’Ol Media !
Cafferty just said we better hope that nothing happens to Arlen Specter cause he may be the only thing standing between us and a dictatorship…
ps– he was as angry as I have ever seen him. that outta grab a few like curmudgeonly wingnuts…
CNN’s Jack Cafferty is LIVID!!!!!!!!!!!!
reposted from previous thread:
I just called my Congresslady Julia Carson to thank her for joining in on the lawsuit against the NSA warrantless-wiretapping. She’s now upset at the govt for acquiring & retaining records of all phone numbers she calls — she’s a total phone freak with 3 cellphones and also 2 landlines at her home plus 1 at her DC apartment (not to mention office and campaign phones!)
If our hopes rest on Specter we’re doomed.
What lame excuse are the Dems going to advance for refusing to sign on to an impeachment resolution now? (I’m sure they’ll think of one!)
Americablog gives an address on how to encript e-mails -
http://blog.eponymous.org/?p=3160
The only thing that might keep people from finally taking to the streets over this is the very real possibility that Bush would use it to declare martial law.
Maybe someone should suggest that the reason we have not been attacked again since 9/11 is that we have been under attack by our own government ever since. Why attack when we our own government is engineering the loss of the most precious thing we had?
How people cannot see that the incremental loss of our constitutional rights is a huge victory for terrorism is beyond my ability to understand.
My city one–Maloney (an old D-style hack)–and my country one–Hinchey (the best)–both signed on.
i really wish cafferty would reach through that panic room and choke blitzer. that idiot’s comments at the conclusion of cafferty’s rant are so friggin condescending.
Links in 1st Paragraph don’t work
NSA = New Superseding Authority
puzzled - that adorable 30 something Congressman Meek from Florida is not on that list of 72 -
and I’m shocked, shocked I tell you -Congressman Henry Cuellar (TX-28) is not on the list either
Jane, that Wired article from a couple of months ago about the AT&T employee in San Francisco was regarding one such choke point. I’m sorry now that I didn’t save what I wrote back then, because now I have to go find the damn URLs again, but that was the gist of my comment about it. San Francisco is the place a lot of bits go on the way to someplace else. There are various Internet maps available that show this relationship, and I’ll try to hunt up a couple of representative ones here in a moment.
Today, most Internet and other phone traffic go through the same pipes. A technology called Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) makes this possible. Without going into detail, if you tap a big ATM phone switch belonging to AT&T, Sprint, or Verizon, you’re going to see both phone (voice) and Internet traffic. All you need is a basic understanding of the underlying protocols, and a whole lotta disk space.
From Raw Story:
Networks plan stakeout of Fitzgerald court Friday; No formal sign of indictment
I sent letters to both Senators today. This is fucking ridiculous. Emperor Bush and Darth Cheney must be stopped.
Afternoon. I was/am catching up on everything. A few misc. items from the very last article “Are They Listening”.
1. comment 29 is the one that strikes me. Read that article he left. It was the same question running thru my mind…what exactly IS the NSA/WH theory on how massive #’s of phone numbers can detect terrorist activities?
2. comment 100, Rusty…nope, wasn’t me!
Now then, as to this article…I’m just wondering if the situation here is that we may not have a WH hell-bent on obtaining all this data for other nefarious reasons…but instead, it’s complete incompetence. I don’t know. But I remain baffled at how “someone” over at NSA actually thought that millions of phone #’s can lead to terrorist detection.
Any way you slice it, it’s just plain wrong.
Ghostman
To give NYT some due – this Feb. story provides a lot of info and shows someone was working hard:
http://tinyurl.com/qvc2j
The companies routinely assist law enforcement and intelligence agencies with eavesdropping authorized by court warrants, a task streamlined by a 1994 law requiring a back door for the government in every new telephone technology. The law, called the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or Calea, has created a thriving “lawful intercept” industry for technology to make eavesdropping easier.
But for decades such cooperation has sometimes gone further. Federal law permits companies to intercept calls or e-mail messages without a warrant and protects them from lawsuits if a “certification” is provided by the attorney general or his deputies stating that no warrant is needed.
. . .
The companies’ ties to Washington are formidable. Once a year, 30 of the country’s top telecommunications and Internet executives gather in the capital to talk with the government about national security topics like how phone systems can survive nuclear attack.
All members of the National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee, as the group is known, have been given security clearances to discuss classified programs with senior domestic security, intelligence and White House officials.
OK - other than the interesting fact that telecom executives get security clearance to discuss the programs, but DOJ Prof Resp investigators don’t, tuess which White House official was at the 2005 meeting?
(Vice President Dick Cheney was at last year’s meeting.)
Asked about the NSTAC’s knowledge of the NSA programs: . . .a committee spokesman, Steve Barrett, said in an e-mail message, “The N.S.T.A.C. is not involved in the gathering of intelligence.”
Anyone else wondering if he spelled it out like that in his email bc — he knew his email was going to be monitored by — NSA?
Nisi Surveillance, Arrest (meant as a declarative).
Also - remember Gonzales being asked (in the hearing where he was not sworn) about whether he was providing certifications to telecoms and he ducked answering?
Jane Harman– The WH is in free fall.
Anne says:
May 11th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
What is your definition of martial law? Are you actually referring to a declaration of a state of national emergency? How would martial law (which isn’t mentioned in the Constitution or, if I’m not mistaken, in the United States Code) be enforced without the presence of armed forces numbering in the millions?
Jane Harman just issued a really good statement — amazingly good. details will trickle forth.
Here’s a link to the legislation introduced today:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0511.html
Thanks for the hat tip, Jane. If you want to know if your Rep signed on, you don’t need to call–the signees are listed within the pdf of the brief, starting on page vii.
Those tens of millions of al Qaeda affiliates living here had better watch out now. The Varmint Hunter in Chief is on to ya’s.
Fitz is meeting with the GJ tomorrow says Raw Story:
Reporters at the major cable television networks plan to be on the ground Friday outside a federal district court where the jury considering the fate of President Bush’s senior adviser Karl Rove.
No formal indication has been given of Rove’s status, though lawyers close to the case have said his fate is likely to be determined soon. Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who is investigating the outing of CIA officer Valerie Plame, is scheduled to meet with the grand jury in the case Friday.
The major networks plan to have reporters live on the ground, a senior reporter said.
Two White House reporters covering the case said they had not heard anything about new Rove developments, though they confirmed that the grand jury is scheduled to meet.
Rove testified for the fifth time Apr. 26. Legal experts have said that those who appear before the grand jury on multiple occasions are more likely to be indicted.
The Washington Post recently reported: “Fitzgerald, according to sources close to the case, is reviewing testimony from Rove’s five appearances before the grand jury. President Bush’s top political strategist has argued that he never intentionally misled the grand jury about his role in leaking information about undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame to Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper in July 2003. Rove testified that he simply forgot about the conversation when he failed to disclose it to Fitzgerald in earlier testimony.”
DEVELOPING…
excuse me Arlen, f**k AT&T, Bellsouth, & Verizon - they are only going to stonewall your sorry ass - Why don’t you give the kids at QWEST a call ?!?!?
cornyn, not his usual ‘liberty doesn’t matter when you’re dead’ shithead self
Ghostman:#25: I pretty much agree with a posting from Americablog..
Rob in Baltimore says of this:
This still doesn’t sit well with me - we’re not even remotely getting all of this story. A database of numbers that simply say A called B cannot possibly be the “largest database in the world”. Virtually every single phone company holds years and years of billing records like these. Even pooled together, they wouldn’t create the world’s largest database, not by a long shot. If you simply attached an audio file to each of those records, well then now you’d be talking about the kind of dataset that would create the “largest database in the world”.
I am frankly getting sick of Raw Story’s sensationalism — their headlines are super misleading. You would EXPECT the press to be staking the courthouse out every Wednesday and Friday from here on out. The grand jury meets every Wednesday and Friday, not just for this case.
Additionally, Raw Story’s “Soon…” and “Developing…” is quite ridiculous more often than not.
Carolyn Maloney is my rep, and she’s already signed it.
Damn, I love living in Manhattan. 84% of the vote here went for Kerry in the last election.
(Unfortunately, that got diluted by all the pugs in Staten Island. For the life of me, I don’t know why we just don’t let them secede from the city already.)
We crashed Corrente, I had to remove the links.
Earl Blumenauer of Oregon has signed on which is a relief. I was so outraged when I heard about this I am afraid I would find it hard to be civil if I had to make the phone call.
Harry Reid: Asked about Senate investigations of Bush administration, Reid said, “I’m not heavily into investigations. That should be way down at the bottom of our agenda.â€
Democratic pollster Jeremy Rosner, a former aide to President Clinton: Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party . . .
Both from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12675876/
Compare and contrast with:
Democratic blogger Matt Stoller: “the key issue for us is checks and balances…. Until Bush is forced to respect the law, policy talk is somewhat irrelevant. The Constitutional crisis comes first.â€
Rep. Henry Waxman: “I would pursue a much more vigorous set of investigations (than Republicans have)…. I’d certainly consider a high priority to investigate abuse of prisoners, manipulation of intelligence that has gotten us into Iraq, I’d want to know about waste of taxpayers’ money by private contractors, whether it’s in reconstruction of Iraq, or work in the Louisiana-Mississippi Gulf region or for homeland security.â€
proj - You are right.
But this bit of information, if true, is quite significant to Plameologists:
Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who is investigating the outing of CIA officer Valerie Plame, is scheduled to meet with the grand jury in the case Friday.
Pfeh. Called Pelosi’s office - “Oh, is this the 72 names thing?” Uh, yeah. Way to be up on the topic, sonny. The official line from the aide was that Pelosi is calling on Hastert to investigate. Ha ha ha. Also, she would like a pony.
But Lynn Woolsey’s on there! woot! She was my friend’s mom before she was in Congress - well, she still IS my friend’s mom, but you know what I mean, I hope - so it’s nice to see her still being cool in the Capitol…
well, rawstory gets it right more often than The Note– just sayin.
#7 — re Rove. Looks like a false alarm…”Two White House reporters covering the case said they had not heard anything about new Rove developments, though they confirmed that the grand jury is scheduled to meet.”
I hope it *is* a false alarm.
Indictments tomorrow would prematurely curtail the prominence of the NSA story, which has many many news cycles to run…Besides, I bet 5/19 in the FDL Name That Indictment contest…
Jane,
the Amicus Brief is also linked in the Raw Story story
That’s a total false dichotomy, though. I don’t claim that Raw Story and The Note are the only two news sources. I agree that Raw gets some good scoops, but their methods leave a lot to be desired.
Anne at 16…
Your comment was revealing…
… since 9/11 … we have been under attack by our own government …
Not only do I enjoy running with the Jane Hamshers of the Left, but I am an enthusiastic afficianado of the Digby School!
On a more somber note, Raw Story is reporting on a possible tail wagging the dog: US military, intelligence officials raise concern about possible preparations for Iran strike.
The first person CNN puts on after this exposure of Bush and the NSA is a REPUBLICAN Senator - Cornyn - whoring for Bush, playing the GWOT and fear cards. Not a dem in sight.
That’s CNN - still FAIR AND BALANCED!
Cliff Varnell - Not necessarily a false alarm - after all, the article is reporting that Fitz will be there - so not just a standard scheduled GJ meeting.
FYI - I am biased as my bet was that the indictments would go down tomorrow.
At HuffPo, Zack Exley states that the Dems should simply state the following:
“Bush ALREADY HAD the freedom to spy on anyone he wanted - he just had to tell a secret intelligence judge AFTERWARDS, a judge who was sworn to secrecy. So what was he trying to hide from that judge?”
Short, sweet and to the point. It does not disassemble, like do most Dems, into “fine points” like the 72 hour limit, or Schumer’s favorite “the president is changing the law.” (I like that one for its complete stupidity.) Will the Dems use a simple phrase like this? I doubt it. They’d rather save their seats (asses?) and serve nominally in a dictatorship than take a (small) risk of losing their seats and defend the Constitution. By the way, isn’t defending the Constitution what they were sworn to do? (Bush probably changed the oath to read “defend my seat in Congress” instead.)
This country is standing at the edge of the abyss. The Repubs are all crooked or insane. We need Democratic statesmen — not the shysters and hacks that appear to be walking the halls of Congress now.
proj,
“I am frankly getting sick of Raw Story’s sensationalism”
Ditto that! Further, if someone here links to them please make clear it’s to Raw Story so I don’t have to be bothered. Thanks.
The President is standing in front of a chart from some research done by CAIDA, Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis, which is right on their home page and would be familar to pretty much anyone who does research on the Internet.
When the picture appeared in the press it occasioned a lot of snickering in the Internet community, as it was not done by the NSA (and because it is extremely doubtful W understood it). It’s not really about choke points; it’s a discription of how Autonomous Systems are distibuted in time and bandwidth, and is described more
here. It’s not really suitable for figuring out how to bug people.
Jane Harman today:
“Last week I said the CIA was in free fall. Now, I think the White House is in free fall, and paying the price for refusing to obey the National Security Act and brief the full Intelligence Committees in detail on the NSA program.
“Americans are alarmed – and rightly so – because this Administration continues to operate parts of the NSA program in violation of FISA and the 4th Amendment.
“Today, 14 members of the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees introduced legislation to require all aspects of the NSA program comply fully with FISA.
“The drop in the President’s poll numbers is no accident. Americans have lost trust in a White House which refuses to brief Congress and insists it is above the law.â€
“This is how a dictator would act…this is not how a Patriot would act!”
This is how I posted it over at Glenn’s blog. I’m also posting this here to do 2 things:
1. As a suggestion for a Progressive meme that is short, memorable and to the fitzing point!
2. To enerate more widespread interest in Glenn’s boot!
I’d also like to suggest that his publisher send a copy (perhaps a signed copy) to each member of Congress, and if they can afford it, to each judge of the Federal judiciary!
Stephen Parrish – my anger has gotten ahead of the reality of what normally has to be in place in order for a federal declaration of martial law. Given the limitations of Posse Comitatus, I suspect that what would happen is governors of states in whatever cities protests were taking place would call out whatever National Guard they had at their disposal (which might be limited given the military deployments that have depleted their domestic ranks).
But I wouldn’t rule out the possibility, given this president’s willful disregard for the law, that he would float martial law as a possibility.
Going to the gym to take out my anger on the elliptical.
Major thanks to whomever leaked this story to USA Today. Obviously the timing of its publication was no accident, given that it’s totally fucked with Hayden’s beauty show visits on the Hill today and made His Serene Eminence The Deciderer have to go on TV and haltingly read yet another non-denial denial, the phoniness of which could not be more evident. It’s Hard Work.
Oops! Change that boot to book :-)
comment #55 “more widespread interest in Glenn’s boot!”
I bet Condi can afford more expensive ones!
*ilson46201 @ 1:39 pm (#54) - I think Ms. Harman is missing the point - it’s not Bush’s failure to brief Congress that explains his miserable poll numbers, it’s his utter failure to live up to any of his obligations to the American public.
Talk about being disconnected from the voters.
Dagnabit! We definitely need a good spellcheck here. Change my enerate to generate.
There is a problem with settling this in the courts. I attended a discussion about the illeagal wiretapping at a local university, and the panel included A person from the ACLU, the Federalist Society, and Rob Andrews (D) from New Jersey.
The problem that the guy from the Federalist society pointed out is that the current Supreme Court precedent says that “Congressional Acquiescence is tacit approval”. Basically, if this is not settled by congress, the Supreme Court is going to say that becuase Congress did not act, then they are giving tacit approval of the program, and the expansion of presidential authority.
(full details on the wiretapping forum here)
If anyone though Alito and Roberts were nominated just becuase of abortion they are dead wrong. With the current supreme court, there is no doubt in my mind that they would follow this line of logic.
If congress does not rebuke this dangerous power grab by the President, then it stands to be institutionalized, and then the Constitution might as well not exist.
No response is the best response for those that seek to push us even closer towards dictatorship.
PWI: Preznitin’ While Inebriated
My congressman didn’t sign on either. Of course I am stuck with the majority leader himself as my congressman so there was no chance in hell of that happening LOL.
Jamie
http://www.intoxination.net
Good on Jane Harman! I just called her office earlier today to rant, and lo and behold — it worked!
At close today:
AT&T $26.11 -0.06
Verizon $31.90 -0.04
Bell South $33.73 -0.08
will be interesting to watch once the initial suits are filed
Curious. Three telco’s comply, claiming it’s legal. One teleco says it’s not so legal, and doesn’t roll over.
Assuming Bush is serious about the GWOT, why hasn’t Quest been indicted for obstruction and shipped off to Gitmo - you don’t need a trial these days.
Plus, you can’t let some outfit punk you- you lose cred.
Next thing you know, Democrats may get uppity!
I feel a Fitz Day coming!!
*ilson46201 at #59:
LOL! I’d love to give her the boot! :-)
Yeah, spellcheck would be nice. I now use this WiFi laptop that’s fine, except that some keystrokes don’t all always take. Then I grimace when I see some of the bonehead-looking stuff I end up posting.
Great Posts! Lousy spelling……..
Major thanks to whomever leaked this story to USA Today.
dana priest made the point that the reporter is a business reporter and she covers the telecomm industry. that’s where the info came from — telecomm employees who are freaked by what is happening.
ot, but oy, jc watts is one stupid mofo.
Ghostman said…
“I remain baffled at how “someone†over at NSA actually thought that millions of phone #’s can lead to terrorist detection.”
Absolutely correct. What this practice does is IMPEDE terrorist detection. Because they are spending so much time spying on us, they are wasting precious resources that could be used to spy on terrorists. I’m don’t think that they want to spy on terrorists — they want to spy on us and use the terrorist theme as an excuse.
Why do so many reports of interactions with Congressional offices end the way Jane’s post does?
“[The aide in my Congresscritter’s] office, though nice, really didn’t seem to have much idea of what I was talking about.”
I am getting really tired of people who work for Congresscritters (who, incidentally, work for us!) not having a clue.
And, yes, I have had THE FUCK enough!
The Captain says: “Congressional acquiescence is tacit approvalâ€
May 11th, 2006 at 1:44 pm
It would be very helpful to see where that quote appears in Supreme Court decisions.
mercury @ 65– just tell me what it really feels to be listened to??? I am so jealous.
Ah, interesting, Corrente was overloaded by click-through from FDL. (Sympathies to Corrente) FDL now has internet gravitas, akin to the ’slashdot’ effect.
I hope getting FDL’d doesn’t get construed as a DoS (denial of service) attack.
OT - But this is pretty funny, Katherine Harris really put her foot in it last night:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....144118/138
A Rove indictment on top of the NSA outrage, (plus the CIA and HUD fiascos [fiasci?], which have oddly put not just one but two people named Dusty on the ropes this week) would make for a perfect little goddamn storm, wouldn’t it?
Cujo359 says:
May 11th, 2006 at 1:24 pm
Is this what you were looking for in your post?
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014808.html
Who forgot to close his/her italics tags??
hmmm must put a stop to this italics madness
Seeing if I can end this italic nonsense.
see, all the news is slanted
One more try.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/.....i_66149136
read and track on that a little……
some unclosed italics tag in a previous comment post ?
Did someone forget to turn off Italics in # 73?
Deja vu. Isn’t this what the government wanted to do with Total Information Awareness (TIA) a few years ago? I seem to remember that just this sort of thing was proposed, but plans were dropped because of overwhelming opposition. Am I losing it, or does anyone else remember this?
stop italics
cbl (#34):
coryn “liberty doesn’t matter when you’re dead”.
gee, i wish he would say that to a mother of a dead soldier.
why do you think they’re dead, john? because liberty doesn’t matter? what is the point of having a government, a nation, a military or any of the other things we associate with the needs of our country. freedom and liberty R us, john.
Dusty…Scooter…Dubya…WTF kind of names are these anyhoos.
try to end ital.
behold the power of slant-b-gone
ralphbon says:
May 11th, 2006 at 1:52 pm
The timing of the two events you mentioned becomes even better if it turns out that Karl Rove is involved in any way with the NSA phone records program.
stopped again. E. ‘Greg’ Ious did it !
on hold while Rush’s office tries to figure out if they have a position … I love calling Congress.
and they’re back with “not yet” … they have no idea what I’m talking about … keep putting me on hold ….
done - gave a little education
Thanks Jane for the kick!
coryn “liberty doesn’t matter when you’re deadâ€.
Right. That’s our ONLY choice. Give up our liberty or die. Assclown.
TalkLeft is reporting Mark Klein, a retired AT&T employee, is the whistleblower largely responsible for the information.
Deja vu. Isn’t this what the government wanted to do with Total Information Awareness (TIA) a few years ago? I seem to remember that just this sort of thing was proposed, but plans were dropped because of overwhelming opposition. Am I losing it, or does anyone else remember this?
yes, you remember correctly. it was just renamed and outsourced instead.
http://www.prwatch.org/node/4497
Just one more day until the filing for the US Senate primary in Florida closes! Do you suppose former Congressman Porter Goss (R-FL) is contemplating a run against La Divina Harris? Spook vs Silicone?
It’s 5PM, do you know where your civil liberties are?
WASHINGTON D.C. — Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), Ranking Member on the House Intelligence Committee, today released the following statement on the USA Today report of the phone call database collected by the NSA:
“Last week I said the CIA was in free fall. Now, I think the White House is in free fall, and paying the price for refusing to obey the National Security Act and brief the full Intelligence Committees in detail on the NSA program.
“Americans are alarmed – and rightly so – because this Administration continues to operate parts of the NSA program in violation of FISA and the 4th Amendment.
“Today, 14 members of the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees introduced legislation to require all aspects of the NSA program comply fully with FISA.
“The drop in the President’s poll numbers is no accident. Americans have lost trust in a White House which refuses to brief Congress and insists it is above the law.â€
http://www.house.gov/apps/list....._3_06.html
Followup to my comment (#22). The Wired article I was referring to, in which Mark Klein, a former AT&T employee, alleged that the NSA was given a room to store listening equipment that was used to tap a telephone switching center in San Francisco.
Here’s an interesting article that contains a map of the North American Internet broken down by what telco or provider owns what lines and routers. It’s really, really complicated, but the important point of it is to note that there’s a different color for each major entity, and there aren’t a whole lot of colors.
Lets see if I have this straight, 3 big news items on the same day.
Item 1 Warm up for Rove vs GJ (of dubious value)Item 2 Military Officials warn of air craft carrier movement in the gulf (sabre rattling or worse)Item 3 NSA/Telco Spying Collusion (what freedoms are we fighting for again)
Ugh, thats without even digging to any depth on each of these stories.
Anne (#56)
” Given the limitations of Posse Comitatus, I suspect that what would happen is governors of states in whatever cities protests were taking place would call out whatever National Guard they had at their disposal ..
But I wouldn’t rule out the possibility, given this president’s willful disregard for the law, that he would float martial law as a possibility.
Since the National Guard is part of the military, I believe that Shrub can mobilize them to “preserve order” whenever he wishes. (If I remember my labor history correctly, there was an incident (either the Pullman Strike or the Haymarket Riot) where the President mobilized the National Guard in Illinois against the wishes of the Governor of Illinois (Altgeld?). However, I am unclear what limitations Posse Comitatus places on mobilization of the National Guard.
Can some lawyers help out on this?
Here’s a link to the google cache of the corrente story:
The network architecture of treason
another one bites the dust!
The special grand jury that’s been investigating state government hiring practices indicted Gov. Ernie Fletcher on three misdemeanors for conspiracy, official misconduct and political discrimination.
The jury also indicted former Transportation Cabinet official Sam Beverage for perjury, which is a felony.
And the jury also submitted to Franklin Circuit Judge William Graham 14 more indictments that are under seal.
Those indictments cover crimes that may have occurred before Aug. 29, 2005, when Fletcher pardoned all administration officials except himself.
Sophist (#104)…
I agree. It’s been a shitty day!!
the Gov @ 108 was KY
Uh oh – fredo’s eyes were a blinking when he said it was the intention to protect Americans from another attack. Stock up on water and canned goods, kids. His body language is very revealing in those comments this a.m. – shifty eyes, rapid blinks when he’s lying.
Senator Patrick Leahy today: “Shame on us for being so far behind and being so willing to rubber stamp anything this administration does. We ought to fold our tents.â€
“NSA building giant database of Americans’ phone calls, newspaper says”
Well, I think the telecoms should also hear from us.
To: *ilson46201 (#95)
Can you give either the story source or a link?
Thanks in advance.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
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KY Gov. shafted : http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/14556190.htm
OT - KY republican Gov indicted:
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/.....tcher.html
These chatterboxes repeatedly cite current polling showing people fairly evenly split on surveillance. What they fail to note, is that bush assured Americans that surveillance was limited to incoming/outgoing international calls and suspected accomplices. Now that usatoday has revealed it’s tens of millions of Americans and domestic-based calls, that number is gonna shift dramatically to reflect his wingnut cultists as the only supporters of the spying.
loosehead (#107):
hey man, that was sublime!
More followup to my comment (@22) - Here’s another version of the map in back of Bush in the photo above. It shows the autonomous systems, which are basically independent bunches of routers. Each of these is usually controlled by one large entity or subentity. I’m not sure what else you can glean from this without far too much effort.
Finally, here’s a map of Uunet’s backbone network. This is one of the major “long distance” networks in North America. Note that many lines terminate in San Francisco.
Arrgh! Why is it the only person my local NPR affiliate can find to discuss this NSA story is John “I see nothing illegal about this program” Eastman, from the Claremont Institute?
Privacy of consumer information - 47 USC 222 - from FindLaw:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/.....mp;sec=222
Will other sections of the Telephone Comsumer Protection Act be helpful? Let’s see if we can find them.