
I don't know about everyone else, but I am sick and tired of being told that I can't handle the truth of what is being done in my name by the Bush Administration and the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress. Here's some truth for you: our government was set up by our Founders to have a separation of powers, which would ensure some checks and balances via oversight and constant debate and questioning, so long as it was functioning properly.
The last few years, the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress has given the Executive Branch a big, fat pass on oversight -- and as a result, they have become merely an extension of the bloated executive power grab.
Nowhere has this become more evident than in national security matters, where deference to the actions of the Bush Administration has become one big, fat rubber stamp -- which is putting our values and the security of our nation over the long-term in danger.
Torture detainees? You betcha, and we won't do anything other than ask surface questions until the media moves on to the next story. Decimate the military with piss poor decisions that stretch them too thin, use up the national guard assets until they are squeezed dry and play numbers games with recruiting to hide the ball from the public? Check. Revive the discredited Total Information Awareness program to syphon in every bit of US citizen communication without following the FISA laws, spitting on the Constitution and our Bill of Rights in the process? You betcha.
Look, I'm as worried as the next guy about national security issues -- especially considering how badly the Bush Administration has stirred up hornet's nests all over the world with their mismanagement in Iraq and their horrid practice of non-diplomacy and lack of forethought everywhere else.
But I'm also more than aware of what an abuse of power can do to the overall integrity of the process, having spent time in the middle of our judicial system throughout my legal career. When you have consistent abuses of power, over and over, unchecked and unquestioned, there cannot help but be damage done -- long-term damage, which will take years beyond this Administration to ever begin to regain.
Glenn has a fantastic post today on the recent revelations on the vastness of the illegal NSA domestic spying program. Building on what Jane was saying last night in her superb post on the latest Bush Administration maneuver to hide the ball from any oversight (even from its own Justice Department), Glenn points out an obvious problem with the latest news about this NSA mess:
That has all changed. We now learn that when Americans call their Aunt Millie, or their girlfriend, or their psychiatrist, or their drug counselor, or their priest or rabbi, or their lawyer, or anyone and everyone else, the Government is very interested. In fact, they are so interested that they make note of it and keep it forever, so that at any time, anyone in the Government can look at a record of every single person whom every single American ever called or from whom they received a call. It doesn't take a professional privacy advocate to find that creepy, invasive, dangerous and un-American....One of the disturbing aspects of the NSA warrantless eavesdropping program was that it was seen by many intelligence professionals as a radical departure from the agency's tradition of not turning its spying capabilities on the American public domestically. The program disclosed yesterday decimates that tradition by many magnitudes. This is a program where the NSA is collecting data on the exclusively domestic communications of Americans, communicating with one another, on U.S. soil -- exactly what the NSA was supposed to never do.
I don't pretend to understand the technical aspects of all of this, but the folks who do have some knowledge of the tech involved are appalled.
As Lambert writes at Correntwire:
All these stories are always careful to say voice and email when describing the nature of the program, but always veer off into describing voice only.But I care a lot more about email, than voice. Why? Because I do my Democratic politics digitally, in email, not by voice. And given what we know about the Bush administration’s behavior so far… Well, what do you think?
Great summary, that raises some interesting questions, including the big one: what, exactly, is the Bush Administration doing with data on every single phone call and every single e-mail we've been sending out? Zonk at Slashdot has more on some of the tech questions involved, and Forbes reports that Sen. Arlen Specter -- the GOP's favorite tempest in a teapot CYA boy -- will be holding hearing to speak to the communication's company heads to find out what has been going on.
Here's my suggestion: hold some real hearings, with teeth and subpoenas for a change. If ever an Administration needed some serious ass sunshine to blast out the creepy, crawly underside of all their festering, smarmy, hidden nooks and crannies, it is this one.
You want to perform as service to your nation? Insist that our Constitution be honored and demand real answers. And when you don't get them, hold the Bush Administration accountable until you get them -- do your damn jobs for a change, instead of leaving all of us hanging. (Or hanging up, since our personal NSA minders are apparently tracking our every call and e-mail. And that includes everyone in Congress -- how does that make you feel, Senator?)
The FISA laws were written for a reason -- and the prohibitions on the NSA doing any domestic spying have been honored for years because this nation of ours valued our system of laws and our commitment to liberty. That George Bush and his malignant band of cronies have just shoved the FISA laws, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights to the side like so much trash is appalling enough. The fact that the Republicans in Congress have allowed them to do so -- by politicizing the Intelligence Committees in both houses and refusing to do the essential oversight hearings that might have actually raised appropriate questions on this illegality; by abdicating their oversight responsiblities as required by their oath to protect the Constitution and uphold our system of checks and balances; by essentially making their own jobs obsolete because they have functioned as nothing more than a rubber stamp for every Bush Administration program that has come down the pike...well, it's unforgiveable.
Whatever threats have been made to ensure their complicity -- either that Rove will turn off the donor tap or something else beyond that -- Republicans run Congress and it is high time they started acting like a separate branch of government. Being too weak to hold oversight hearings, and too accommodating to ask the tough questions or issue subpoenas or even put the Attorney General under oath to answer questions is not good enough. Either do your jobs, or stop taking my tax dollars as part of your paychecks -- because you sure as hell aren't earning your salaries.
I expect better. So did our Founders. Shame on them -- it's time for some redemption, though, and some hearings which demand honest and thorough answers. The American public deserves nothing less. It is high time for some truth.
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Fitz!!!
Fitz!
Fitz me close and Fitz me fast
The magic spell you cast, This is la vie en rose
When you Fitz me heaven sighs, And tho I close my eyes
I see la vie en rose
(Jack’s version!)
EPU’d, but Bush is apparently about to talk about the NSA issue in a couple of minutes.
Nice, Dru– thanks for my second grin of the day!
Love that Jack!
Call your telecom company and ask for a refund. Why should you pay to be spied on?
Verizon: 800-870-9999
Pending confirmation of the facts in the USAToday article, isn’t it time that progressives, liberals, libertarians, paleocons, and others across the spectrum who have expressed alarm at NSA domestic spying band together to make Qwest the instantly most successful telecom in the country?
All this news is very disturbing, and leads one to the conclusion that the Bush Administration is doing all it can to establish a Stalinist bureaucracy that does what it wants and fends off any investigation (by Congress) or judicial review (by the courts). Blocking the DOJ from investigating the NSA’s domestic spying program is a very bad sign indeed, as is the admission (to Qwest) that NSA did not go to FISA because FISA would not have given approval. This country is moving rapidly in a bad direction.
bush making statement
regretably, a large segment of our body politic finds direction by running away from fear as opposed to running toward something positive. and the fear has to be almost primal; a big ugly threat that sits in the living room and watches NASCAR and WWF with you.
it is time to redefine ‘us vs them.’ let’s use what they’re comfortable with.
what can we make them fear about republicans?
our civil liberties? too vague; not a lot of NASCAR traction here.
the war on terror? how about the fear of losing the war on terror? these guys can’t anything right, you trust them to do this? we’ve had some great war time democrat presidents. let’s become the war time democrats. warrior democrats. it’s got a ring to it.
fear of being cheated. nobody likes to be cheated. republicans are cheats. they take your money and give it to their rich friends. not corporations, friends. corporations is a vague word. use country club members, skiing buddies and friends from Boca. keep it in the living room.
fine, you don’t like queers getting married. are gays making it more expensive for you to fill up your bass boat? when has a gay person effected your family budget? thinking twice about making the trip to Branson this year. blame the republicans. don’t fear the blame game.
impeaching the chimp. it would be counter productive and nobody wants that now. bullshit. what have you got to hide? go offensive! nobody likes a liar and a cheat. everybody wants a hero. make this guy a target and go after him. and don’t feel bad about it. when has the republican party ever passed on the opportunity to be ruthless?
liars. cheats. hypocrites. they think you’re stupid.
simple powerful words that ring of truth. and just keep hammering at every opportunity that comes on the horizon. let’s get ruthless.
I wonder if the Bush administration is reading Fitzgerald’s emails.
I wonder if they read Kerrey’s emails leading up to to the 2004 election.
If I had to bet my life on the answer, I would guess yes to both.
Lying Monkey Says:
“After September the 11th.”
Only one word uttered before he brings that up.
-GSD
Here’s chimpy on TV - first sentence, envoke 9/11. so far, no denial…
…same BS - including that they have court approval.
he is so fucking shifty. he can hardly keep from smirking, as hard as he tries. so smug.
chimpy - “we’ve been successful preventing another attack on our soil.”
keeps saying “another attack”
walked off taking no questions.
I hate, hate, hate being lied to!
Answering no questions…………………….
9/11, terra, bs.
9/11 was on his tongue before he even got to the podium. Jesus!
He’s just flat fucking lying and daring people to prove otherwise.
EPU’d - but a kernel of a good idea down below
And the Dowager Empress of EPU makes her way to the thread -
Messenger
- not a clue, plenty of good candidates mentioned in the thread - although please darlings, promise me just once before I go, I can vote for someone other than a middle aged white guy
Message -
motivating folks to get to the polls
You Are The Decider - Vote !
Have never watched American Idol, but have a sense of how it works - and upwards of 25 million of our fellow citzens tuned in last night alone - Why can’t we use a Simon role model to get the millions of single women who stayed home last time to see that they have the power to knock off extremely powerful rich guys like Frist by mererly getting to the polls and pulling the lever ?!?!?!
a la CC Music Co. -
I’VE GOT THE POWER . . .
Bush criticizing the leak of the program, of course. Wonder how long we have to wait to see the leaker(s) in the dock?
Well, here is one of those “other programs” we knew had to be out there. How many more?
chimpy’s BS NSA speech summary:
9/11, al qaeda, attack, another attack, giant perch, polish sausage, another attack…
rizbiz,
That’s all perfectly true and if the rightwing wurlitzer hadn’t been shaping the image of their political opponents (that’d be us) in exactly these terms for the last decade, it might work. They’ve convinced the backwash that the left embodies everything that THEY ARE.
Orwell weeps…..
Criminals should go to jail.
I am still dumbfounded at the Democratic sneering at Feingold for demanding that some sort of censure debate take place. Russ Feingold, god bless your Wisconsin accent, the one guy who says this administration is lying, admitting it, openly flouting the most important laws safeguarding citizen privacy.
Is there a chance in heck Feingold could ever be president. Never, right?
Keepon Firedoglakeing in the free world
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Evidently they’re not opening regular, old-fashioned mail, at least not within the U.S. They’ve always had the legal right to open mail entering from abroad, you know, foreign agents and all that. The whole situation begins to look more and more like czarist Russia: spys everywhere. The behavior of Congress is inexcusable. Since they (nearly all of them) have failed to practice constituional oversight, you might say they’re complicit. How can any honest, upright member of congress act as if it’s business as usual when every — EVERY — phone call and email is being registered. Don’t those people understand simple grammatical sentences anymore. The world changed not on September 11, 2001 but on December 12, 2000 when the Supreme Court voted to elect W president. Oh, we are in for a lot of shit and even a Democratic victory in November will not change anything. Does anyone think they really know how to end the Iraq horror show?
well, they are now afraid. they trotted out the king for an emergency statement.
at least he did not announce that major combat operations have commenced against Iran…yet.
So if I follow the latest logic…gee, we aren’t doing anything illegal even though we aren’t using the FISA system…and gee, we are talking to “some” members of congress…but they can’t tell you anything because the information is limited and totally classified….and gee, we are ok with some investigative oversight…but unfortunately we can’t grant security clearance to the investigators.
Gee…it looks to me like we have a dictator in charge. He breaks the rules, he rewrites the rules, he changes the rules, and he answers to no one.
I only hope we can soon finish exporting our “democracy” to Iraq and the rest of the oppressed world so they can have the same rights that we do.
more observations here:
www.thoughttheater.com
That speech took less than 3 minutes, but you know if he is responding this quickly to a morning newspaper report, someone is REALLY worried that this story is going to get traction.
The beauty of a large, seemingly unfocused NSA wiretapping, phone monitoring and email tracing program is that it is very easy to hide small, tightly focused surveillance within it. Anyone care to guess what types of surveillance Bush would be interested in.
Maybe legal investigators and political threats? Fitzgerald, Kerrey, etc…
And politicians who can be blackmailed to do Bush’s bidding? Leiberman and others…
OT - get your own GOP iPod.
From Gizmodo on GOP iPod:
wondering if anyone else has had this happen…
my dsl got very slow. I called Bellsouth… they wanted to send a tech to my home!! Mind you a tech did not come to install the dsl so I was curious as to why this problem… which apparantly was something they were doing… would require a tech visit to my home. I called the corporate headquarters about this since I could not get sense out of the customer service rep. The first lady was totally baffled when I asked if this had anything at all to do with NSA spying. The lady that called me back told me ” bellsouth does not have time to spy on their customers” and that bellsouth emphatically ” did not participate in the spying program”…. well *DUH LADY* looks to me like the send the tech to the homes ploy is probably very much a part of the deal. I told the lady that I did not want to continue any service if this issue required a tech visit… and I left and went to the gym for about an hour… and voila` low and behold… not nary a dsl problem on my return or since…..
spy related… my guess is yeah……. why not… so watch out other Americans… think quickly in all situations ….
we can call senate intelligence committee & complain bitterly:
main committee no.: 202-224-1700
Senator Rockefeller, vice-chairman
(202) 224-6472
(202) 224-7665 Fax
I posted the link to the USAToday story in the last thread and do so again here:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w.....htm?csp=24
In brief, the NSA has a database of all domestic calls except those involving Qwest to Qwest customers(because Qwest refused to participate). What that means is that the NSA probably has all your calls in their database. They say that they just have the numbers but as the article points out crossreferencing with other databases can give names and addresses. The NSA also shares information with other agencies so it doesn’t necessarily stay just there. The NSA says it doesn’t monitor the call contents but this is not to say that they don’t record and store the call contents. This program could involve hundreds of millions of Americans. It is being done without court order or probable cause. And it is being run by the guy Bush wants to head the CIA.
Had enough?
If there was any doubt in anyone’s mind that this Administration is not only lawless but acts with infinite disdain of the law, this is it. It is so massive and so reckless. This is about the collection of information for the sake of collecting information. There is no evidence that the program has stopped or ever will stop any terrorist attacks. It has not made the country any safer. Indeed the program is itself about a big a threat to what it means to be an American as any I have ever seen. How exactly can this Administration claim it is defending our freedoms when it is so blatantly destroying them?
Had enough?
Is the president going to check on the progress of Trent Lott’s new porch?
Two great posts this morning, Redd.
As I watched Bush invoke his mantra a few minutes ago - “nine-eleven, nine-eleven, al quaida, nine-eleven..” I wanted to cry.
Has anybody here commented on the Ann Coulter Pslm Beach County voter regisatration weirdness?
As I have said many times, the War on Terror is a front for the War on Liberals and on the progressive movement. Bush & Co. are exploiting (in fact, apparently promoting) terrorism to scare Americans, especially liberals, from speaking out - among other goals related to their assault on the constitution.
The War on Terror is a fraud - an excuse for waging a domestic war on dissent and on liberals.
I dont know. Maybe we need a war on terrorists. But the whole way this maladministration is doing this is rather transparent, and it is absurd that no one in the media, and very few in the progressive media, are willing to speak this truth - that the entire War on Terror, as it is being waged by Bush Cheney, is a FRAUD.
Once this truth is widely understood, and the damage to the country widely appreciated, the Bush-Cheney machine will deflate like a cheap air mattress.
there’s gotta be a way to drive a wedge through the president and congress. i realize they are of the same party, but these congress critters are undercutting their own power and influence. when bush was flying high it was understandable but now it’s dumbfounding. bush has nothing to offer but these idiots keep knuckling under for him.
what will make them realize they are not acting in their own best interest? will bush have to disband congress all together before they wake up? it happened in peru, it could happen here…
Jesus Water SKiing Christ, just heard one of the insipid chuckleheads (MSNBC) state the Pres. had ‘reassured’ everyone that all NSA activities were legal - As F***ING IF !
I see a real gem in Glenn’s post although I’m not through his or Christy’s yet - but here ya go -
today at the grocery store, gas station, dry cleaners, soccer practice
find a non antagonistic way to talk about calls with your priest or rabbi, your kid’s doctor, your kid’s teacher, your mortgage company (all the places the average american expects privacy)
I got $1,000 the database being collected by the NSA is being “shared” amongst the DEA, FBI, ATF, etc… So while they say they dont need a warrant because its national security at stake, (a shaky justification for this truly astounding “fishing expedition”) in the end, the G gets some info. that ends up busting some poor college pot dealer. This is the most distugusting information i have read in a long time. I cant say i was surprised. In fact, gleen greenwald and many others here surmised “the program the president has acknowledged” was much more expansive than abu gonzales put on at the judiciary hearings.
I am so pissed at my phone company right now. I knew those corporate suckups could give one shit about their customers so long as the Gov. was happy. Our corporate fascist government cannot be hidden from the mainstream no longer. Let’s see the 31% stomach this. I can already hear the refrain , “If you have nothing to hide…” “G.W. just wants to catch terrorists.” I call bullshit and shenanigans on it all. We need a major demonstration and we need it soon. maybe even some serious civil disobedience on a large scale, not violent mind you, but property damage and arrests will be needed to get attention.
And to the NSA cock-smoker who is reading this in some archive three years from now - FU&% YOU! FU*# GEORGE BUSH! YOU ARE NOT PROTECTING THE COUNTRY YOU ARE IN FACT MOST DEFINATELY DESTROYING IT!! AND I HAD SEX WITH YOUR SISTER YESTERDAY AND BY YESTERDAY I MEAN TWO and 2/3 YEARS FROM THE TIME OF THIS WRITING - IN OTHER WORDS, TO YOU, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO. SHE SAID I WAS THE BEST SHE EVER HAD, PRESENT COMPANY INCLUDED!
Childish, i know but if someone actually reads it in 3 years or whatever, it will be worth it.
God help us all.
Good Christy post , that’s the way I think we should fire back, with hearts full of piss and vinegar!!!!!!!! Let it rip. There was a time for a subtle approach but that time has long passed. Fire from gut.
To Why #15,
Because that little word reminds us there’s hope. If you don’t like it, why don’t you just skip down to post #7 and start there every time?
The good news is that this is the gang that can’t shoot straight and their polls are in the shitter. I’ve been worried about being tossed down a memory hole (by mistake, of course) since three years ago when it became evident to me that the Bush administration had created a legal structure to do basically anything they wanted to anyone they felt they had to do it to. What has prevented the College Republicans from carrying out their fascist fantasy is that they are basically incompetent at anything other than stealing elections, and for that we need to be thankful.
What to me is more alarming is that there are Senators like Feinstein and Lieberman who seem to be at least partly sympathetic to the attack on Civil Liberties, at least to the point that they won’t take a strong stand. There is no excuse for the Democratic Party not standing up for the fourth amendment. No excuse for the Republicans either, but that’s another story.
In any event, the thug plan has been poorly executed. As Yogi Berra said, ‘In theory there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice there is.’
Let us give thanks for (very) small favours.
“They’re just recording the data, not actually listening to calls or reading email”. But only four months ago, we were assured by the same people that the government was just tracking international calls and email, not domestic, oh no not at all.
Why should we believe them this time?
We should all call Bellsout and say we are going to cancel our sevice. That would get them rilled up.
Arlen Specter = Paper Tiger
Talks BIG, NEVER delivers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05.....r=homepage
It’s the criminal’s dream — to have authority over whether or not your crimes are investigated.
Do you think Arlen Specter will actually get anything done on this front? Doubtful. He’s just a Rove spook. My guess is that Mr. Specter gets the “information” (wink wink) he is looking for behind closed door and is all of a sudden “satisfied with the explanation†without any public disclosure.
It’s easier to convince NASCAR Americans of something if they see that someone is against something (Specter) and then, suddenly, they say that they’ve had it “explained” to them and now they think it’s OK. hook… line… sinker…
EPU’d.
A fundamental issue that I see is that many voters don’t believe they can affect change and their vote counts in any way. Pox on both parties. Its come to a point that the frustration is equally placed on both parties as folks feel it makes no difference.
Elected officials say anything to get elected and then once in DC go their merry ways lining their pockets and those of their corporate contributors. Voter turnout will continue to get worse providing the Repubs an opportunity to keep power as their base is more rabid and they keep playing to that base with red meat issues.
The Dems need to run a campaign for change. They need a message that a Dem congress will prevent further calamities and prevent additional usurpation of power. They need a message that there will be more transparency and all the nefarious activities of the current administration will be disinfected with sunlight. They need to campaign on a platform of ethics, constitutional protections, a revitalization of the economy by focusing on the middle class, more fiscal sanity, a better national security through use of real coalitions and diplomacy, a much larger emphasis on actual terrorists and homeland security.
They need to highlight the deception and corruption of Bush-Cheney and the Repubs. They need to highlight that we are in this mess because the Repubs with control of the WH and Congress have lied us into chaos.
When are our Chickenshit Elected Officials (from our side, I don’t expect any Republicans to stand up to their Preznit) going to stand oup and demand answers in a way that can’t be ignored?
If they are worried about legal ramifications - they should all go to the steps of the Capitol and denounce this program and the President in unison and date him to take action.
I’m sick of these wimps.
[tech talk] any techies here… what’s the best way to keep refreshed when one is trying to keep up at the beginning of the thread?
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Not only that, but will these repubs in congress be comfortable with all this executive power residing in, say, President Hillary?
Makes ya think they have something going on with the elections, no? I mean does anybody think that they are doing all this and just hope that the elections will go their way?
Election fraud - now that’s one topic that could use a little more airing ’round here, IMHO … …
Is there an economic strategy FDL’s can adopt to show our displeasure?
Steve Soto delivers –
Did The NSA Data Mining Revelation Blow Up Hayden’s Nomination?
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/007627.php
Well, it looks like the USA Today breakthrough story on the NSA’s data mining operation on purely domestic phone calls has landed like a missile inside the White House bunker this morning. First, the White House was forced to cancel General Michael Hayden’s scheduled visits on Capitol Hill today, because, well, Hayden was the man who implemented the data mining operation back in 2001. Second, Arlen Specter went off the reservation today, and immediately said he would convene hearings aimed not at the Administration initially, but at the phone companies themselves to squeeze them. Very smart. And Specter isn’t the only Republican who is upset this morning over this.
Third, Patrick Leahy made the valid point, while holding up a copy of the USAT this morning, that the media is doing the job of congressional oversight because the GOP congress has abdicated its responsibility. …
Here are some questions for discussion today:
This revelation obviously came from sources that the USAT felt were high enough and credible enough to withstand the expected “such leaks are treasonous†pushback from the White House, or else the USAT would not have gone with the story. But who would benefit from leaking this story, and at this time as Hayden was making the rounds on Capitol Hill, knowing that this data mining operation has his direct fingerprints all over it? And how does the White House continue with the Hayden nomination when he has been kneecapped like this on a program he ran for which he cannot provide answers? I mean, a whole bunch of “Senator, I cannot answer your question on that program because it is classified” at his confirmation hearing for the CIA isn’t going to cut it …
Apple Canyon 2 #29
The reason they’re worried is that this is something that affects all Americans and it is something they can readily understand.
It is like high gas prices. Everybody can see when they go up and they see it everytime they get in their cars to go anywhere. Gas stations are everywhere and every one of them has a big sign reminding us of just how high gas prices are. It is a story that Bush and his cronies can’t hide from.
Well, this is exactly the same. Every American knows now that everytime they pick up a phone (which most of us do many times a day)the government is listening. Everytime they even think about making a call they will be reminded that the government is out there recording them. This is another story that Bush can’t control. That’s why he and his advisors are so scared. This is something that not only touches all Americans it is something they all feel (and are likely to feel strongly about).
Had enough?
I have.
they obviously are not concerned about anyone else gaining power. they plan to stay in. who needs elections.
“Have you no sense of decency, Mr. President? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”
Why #15
Sorry, didn’t see your
whinepost:Colbert - a germanic name made up of the elements “col”, possibly meaning “cool”, and “beraht”, meaning “bright”.
Relax and scroll…
Hugh - that is dead right.
When I read the USA today article today, I immediately thought of all the people I have called in the last year, and what sort of information the government can piece together from my phone records.
USA Today is a widely read paper. Millions of people in the American mainstream are reading the article on the NSA’s program and wondering who is listening to their calls. It is personal, it is an intrusion of privacy, and it will not stand for the vast majority of Americans.
Radio Open Source (Chris Lydon) to do show today on NSA’s New Phone Database:
http://www.radioopensource.org.....-database/
Donnie Darko director on terrorist watch list.
He thinks it might have something to do with the content of his new film witch is about government anti-terrorist measures.
http://www.nypost.com/entertai...../n9105.htm
-GSD
Trying to solve the underlying problem by addressing the symptoms individually is like taking a pain pill for a broken leg or like playing a game of “Whack-A-Mole” - the leg is still broken and the moles always win.
To turn things around, the entire neocon dogma must be discredited and shown for what it really is. So long as we have leadership buy-in to this sick, pathetic perversion — really, just elitism taken to extremes — the symptoms can never be fixed.
Here is a description of the kind of corrupt thinking by our leaders that has brought us to this point:
(The emphasis below is mine. Excerpt from :
http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/VolumeVII/Secrecy.htm )
Bush himself, I will argue, lies at the intersection of these three (and other) forces, and his political persona has in turn been constructed in multiple ways by his advisors and constituents: he is thus at once the Gentleman, the Prince, and the Simulacrum. The first of these is Strauss’ term for the political figure who serves as the public voice of religion and morality for the wise man or philosopher, who is in fact the one with the real knowledge and power. For Strauss, both secrecy and religion are necessary to the functioning of society: the former protects the “vulgar†public from harsh truths that would endanger them, while the latter gives them faith in the laws that govern society.[17] The second term is of course from Machiavelli, whose work has been taken up by Neoconservative thinkers like Michael Ledeen who call for a neo-Machiavellian use of both religion and deception in American politics.[18] And the third is the term developed by Baudrillard to refer to the new era of simulation and hyper-reality that characterizes much of culture and politics in media-driven, late capitalist consumer society. For Baudrillard, the age of the simulacrum in which we live is one in which “the secret†no longer conceals some hidden truth, but simply conceals the fact that there is no truth or reality beneath the appearance.[19]
…
“One of the ideas that most attracted Kristol and others to Strauss’s work is the esoteric and “aristocratic” nature of his philosophy. True philosophy, according to Strauss, is not meant for the masses. Indeed, it would even dangerous to the multitudes, who would only misunderstand and “vulgarize it.” Philosophy is intended for a kind of “intellectual aristocracy” who possesses the skill, knowledge and courage to handle such potentially threatening ideas:
What made him so controversial within the academic community was his disbelief in the Enlightenment dogma that ‘the truth will make men free’. He was an intellectual aristocrat who thought that the truth could make some minds free, but he was convinced that there was an inherent conflict between philosophic truth and the political order, and that the popularization and vulgarization of these truths might import unease, turmoil and the release of popular passions hitherto held in check by tradition and religion.[100]
With Strauss, Kristol therefore agrees that a just society is one that is ordered and hierarchical, one in which the wise few lead the many, and in which the inequalities of wealth and power are understood by all to be for the benefit of society as a whole: “A just and legitimate society, according to Aristotle, is one in which inequalities – of property, or station, or power – are generally perceived by the citizenry as necessary for the common good. I do no[t] see that this definition has ever been improved upon.”[101]
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Spell check “I don’t pretend to understand the techical” s/b “technical”
Christy,
You ready for some York? Here’s a quote from his article today (http://tinyurl.com/htpf4), “Go back to the news conference he held last October in which he announced the Libby indictment. The case was very serious, Fitzgerald said, as he launched into the famous metaphor in which he compared the CIA-leak case to a baseball game in which the pitcher threw a fastball, hit the batter and “really, really hurt him.†This case is kind of like that, Fitzgerald said, only “it’s a lot more serious than baseball. And the damage wasn’t to one person. It wasn’t just Valerie Wilson. It was done to all of us.—
Wasn’t Fitz talking about the Obstruction of Justice, rather than damage caused by the leak? No time to go to the transcript, but that’s my recollection.
Can we gin up some retribution for this turdmuncher? Yeah, you’re right…probably not worth the effort.
T-
WHEN DOES THE LIE BECOME A LIE BIG ENOUGH TO COMPELL CONGRESS TO INVESTIGATE?
We know the line, “So let me make it clear. When we… when you hear us talk about wire taps, you see… a wire tap requires a court order. Nothing has changed.”
And then we heard his reassurance earlier this year, “We’re only targeting contacts going in and out of the United States.”
And his General Hayden, “This is a very targeted program.”
It is nice to know that my government is keeping me safe by tracing ALL my calls to my mother in California. And I’m glad that my phone company, Quest, is not in collusion with this mob run tyranny.
And I am so disappointed in our government’s ineffectual sense of responsibility to the laws of the land that they bend in cowardice to this tyrannical rule.
FASCISM has never gone out of style. It just crossed oceans and has landed in our country. Our military gets top dollar to our tax money. WHY??? So as to be able to wage wars on innocent people.
GOOGLE PNAC PEOPLE
Hitler had his Jews in Europe.
Bush has his Arabs in the Middle East.
America needs to rise up and hold their government accountable for absconding their freedoms in the name of tyranny so as to stop this Monarchy from reigning their peace and liberty down on other countries in the form of nuclearized weapons, hidden by their lies of TERRORISM.
LOOK THE WORD UP AMERICA.
TERRORISM. It’s what we do best, and we do it best to Arab states.
In protests, disenchanted people chant,
“WHO’S STREETS” ~ “OUR STREETS”
“WHO’S CONGRESS” ~ “OUR CONGRESS”
“WHO’S WHITE HOUSE” ~ “OUR WHITE HOUSE”
Only once has the People’s White House been burnt down by the mad mobs that were so disenchanted by the form of Governance. Never again should this happen, IF our legislators would do their jobs, uphold their Oaths, and enforce a sense of justice through their Constitutionally mandated obligation to the people of America.
WHERE ARE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES?
Each skin of this onion reveals more. Maybe people’s eyes will begin to water with the reality that it’s a shell game that George plays with us.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-Joseph Goebbels
“The future of a movement is conditioned by the fanaticism, yes, the intolerance, with which its adherents uphold it as the sole correct movement, and push it past other formations of a similar sortâ€
-Adolph Hitler
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda-”
-George W. Bush
“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.â€
-George W. Bush
brkily 49 –
F5 key — same as browser refresh button
Spell check “The FISA laws were written for a reason — and the prohibitions on the NSA doing any domestic spying have been honroed” last word s/b “honored.”
Just because you’ve never had a car accident doesn’t mean you’re a good driver, and it doesn’t mean your car is well-maintained or the road you’re on isn’t covered with potholes.
You don’t prevent accidents by purposely running other drivers off the road so that you have smooth sailing.
Shorter version: “just because you’ve never had a heart attack doesn’t mean you’re healthy.â€
ck 52 -
Awesome.
What have Repiglicans got to worry about? If any one has noticed there is a theme in the Repig and their cronies talking points. They constantly suggest that if progressives take back congress there will be endless investigations including an attempt to Impeach. Well, so what!. I just don’t uderstand why the pundits don’t ask them this obvious question. “What are they afraid of?” It is a constant theme on the right that If you have done nothing wrong you have no reason to assert you constitutional right against self incrimination. Then isn’t a logical response to this talking point to ask “What are you afraid of” Why should the threat of investigations from liberals insite their base to action. What are they hiding? What are they afraid of?
we HAVE to put a face on the warantless spying on Americans
we need to make it clear why it can’t be done with practical examples
we need to say things like;
“I don’t want someone corrupt able to look at my bussiness arangements and circumvent my contracts or come in just under my bid”
and
“I don’t want my personal conversations with my wife played for their pleasure”
things like that, we have to put a face on it
Folks, they are tapping our phones.
Say it, over and over, to everyone you talk to, today, tomorrow, and forevermore.
They are tapping our phones.
Personally, I have had THE FUCK enough.
Time for the enraged Dem Congresscritters to stand up on the steps of the Capitol and say:
“Enough!”
Now.
I repeat myself…self…self:
;>)
And we all know why the administration requires unfettered access to such information, don’t we?
Because …After 9/11, the world was going to be new and brave, whether we as people wanted it to be or not.
All the foreign juntas propped up over the eons don’t mean squat if you can’t control your own populace. It was easier when the body politic watched the jiggling mammaries on TV and drank beer by the caseload to forget their domestic trifles, but that darn internet went from being a cybernetic version of the Home Shopping Network for fatasses incapable of bestirring themselves beyond their own barcalounger, to something that could actually be used to communicate concepts requiring critical thinking and studied responses.
A great leveller…Free higher education, if one was willing to develop their own intellect enough to weed out the chaff.
Unacceptable. Push all the xenophobic levers and ring all the jingoist Pavlovian bells!
And keep that chattering dissension down … Don’t you know the enemy is listening?
The Bush administration acknowledged the existence of a domestic spying program, while claiming the executive order was limited to those individuals with known terrorist ties.
December 24, 2005
Sorry, I forgot to note in my post above that the auther of the text I quoted was Hugh Urban of Ohio state University.
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Christy - great post, hope the NSA had fun reading it and all our comments. And you may be right about the Congresscritters only stepping up to actually do something when it’s their communications that are being wiretapped. But, c’mon. Arlen Specter is full of hot gas. He can’t utter a word before Herr John Von Cornyn, that Nazi from Texas, takes over the microphone and tells us that, dammit, the Bush mob CAN’T let Congress have oversight because that stupid Congress is always leaking!I mean, really, you don’t actually think the Constitution has any fucking relevance, do you? It’s nothing more than a pretty little artifact. Let’s keep it beind glass at museum somewhere, because like Splash #36 said, the War on Terra is fraud.
Keeping the Homeland safe from telephone users and emailers. Woops, guess that means every single American citizen. 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11. Oh and don’t forget, it’s all Bill Clinton’s fault, right?
We are all emboldened now, or at least bolded.
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Christy, your post inspired me to call Specter’s DC office–hard to get through, which usually is a good sign on news days like today. Gave the poor receptionist an earful (”When is your boss going to do his job and hold real hearings?” etc., etc.)
When I said, “Do you all realize how many voters like me are disgusted with this Republican Congress and its failure to hold this Administration accountable?”, she said “yes” and sounded as if she’s been hearing nothing but. So anyone who cares to add to the chorus, it’s 202-224-4254.
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end bush
And now for something to put a further chill in your spine:
>>>>>>>>>>
Use of Iraq terror group bypassed Congress, sources say
Concern is building among the military and the intelligence community that the US may be preparing for a military strike on Iran, as military assets in key positions are approaching readiness, RAW STORY has learned.
According to military and intelligence sources, an air strike on Iran could be doable in June of this year, with military assets in key positions ready to go and a possible plan already on the table.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0511.html
Something that I think the average person doesn’t get when they say that they have nothing to hide in regards to illegal wiretaps is this:
What if you accidentally dialed the wrong number and it’s a number of some bad guy.
What if a bad guy accidentally dialed your number.
What if you were trying to get a hold of an organization for a legitimate purpose and that organization’s name was misleading to you and they were actually a front organization for a bad group.
All these mistakes could give the government reason to think you were a bad guy too, and it’s your word against theirs.
Thank you, Ed N Sted
Max-1 #63
General Hayden: “This is a very targeted program.”
And it is targeted at all of us.
ck:
I was just turning off the bolding that was accidently got turned on in a previous post.
(Adjusting tinfoil hat, ahem) And what if the bad guys did some autodialing to lots of regular folks’ numbers to throw NSA off?
Ed N Sted
Wow! Thank you for *totally nailing it!!!*
Leo Strauss. That needs to become a household name. I’d love to see some more discussion about Strauss in the blogs - then it will filter out into the MSM. This is really important for many reasons - not the least of which it provides an excellent retort to the knee-jerk denialists who bleat “conspiracy theory” everytime someone tries to put all the Bushco. lies in any kind of context. The “conspiracy theory” meme is killing us and we need to kill IT. As Redd well knows, conspiracies happen and are prosecuted every day.
The thinking of Leo Strauss obviously informes just about everything this maladministration does. That is how they justify, in their own minds anyway, their lies. Strauss is literally a roadmap to the thinking of Bush, Cheney, and the whole cabal.
dare to be bold
Here’s a MSNBC Live Vote on this issue - go let them know what you think:
“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12734870/”
IANAL, but the phrase “As an officer of the court” keeps going through my head as I listen to Bush say something to the effect of “appropriate Congressional leaders have been briefed” on this program.
As an officer of the court, would any lawyers in that group of Congressional leaders be legally bound to report to the appropriate court - say, the FISA court, if not the US District Court - something like “I have reason to believe that there is a crime being committed as we speak . . .”?
How, you lawyers among us, do we get this whole mess from spin into accountability? Congress has shown no desire to hold real hearings, so what about the courts?
Where’s Sirica when we need him?
BobbyG 67 –
I hope Steve Soto is right — either way, the HindenBush is goin’ DOWN, and it’s time for the GOoPers to abandon ship.
The only way to save the Republican Party is to for the GOoPers to get rid of Bush — if they don’t, he destroys all of the,
If Steve Gilliard is right — Bush will be gone by Labor Day.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
Help Impeach Today
Now… People think this is a waste of time because even the Dems said that they were not going to impeach (yeah right)…
Keep the pressure on Congress… Talking about impeachment wakes people up… They question, it’s a strong motivator to get people thinking. It also lets Congress know how intense the dissapproval is for this President… They seem to be a little slow on the uptake. So please:
1) Sign petitions if you have not done so
2) Send a letter to Congress (both Senators & House rep)
3) Send a copy to the media
4) Enlist friends and family to help, ask them to chip in time
5) Spread the link around, email it (with a request to forward) post it on a blog, or in the comments of a news story.
Help out!!!
Thanks :)
#15 - It is an itsy- bitsy teeny- weeny distraction; a bit of stuff and nonsense; a rallying cry; a declaration of a wish; and a celebration of a new thread. Yup, it is all that and more.
To travy # 37
The only way there is going to be a wedge between the congress (either party) and the president is if the president makes an effort to halt “bridge to nowhere pork barrel spending.” Someone like Duke Cunningham is only useful to the extent that they can bring home the bacon to the lobbyist/consultant/contractor crowd. Somehow I don’t think the president sees a need to interfere with the congress’ ability to keep the “wheels of democracy” greased.
Sorry, not likely there is going to be a wedge issue any time soon.
Punaise @ 87
Live and let die bold
;>)
This is Bush’s “Saturday Night Massacre”. For anyone that was conscious during Watergate you have to feel the comparison today. We are so close to having this fucker on the ropes and heading toward Impeachment, it is hilarious! But we gotta act now–right now while the stench of this treason makes it easy to compare to Nixon. I’ve already faxed my Senators and my Congressman with the gist of my message here. Everyone should go for it and keep it going everyday from now on.
dna
The Heritage Foundation fool on MSNBC attacks the leaker of this information that appeared in USA today and questions the timing– suprise!
Jim Harper from CATO does a sorta good job of refuting him.
I just did a jpeg graphic “Bush’s Energy Plan for YOU” but I don’t have ftp upload capability to my site from work. Anyone want a copy to pay it forward, email me at bobbyg “at” bgladd “dot” com.
(got that, NSA lurkers? fuck you.)
cathy #81
There is also the difference between why should you care if they are tapping you if you have nothing to hide –in theory and in practice. Most people almost all of whom have nothing to hide are going to feel mighty uncomfortable knowing that they, not some hypothetical other person, are having their phones tapped. Everyone has something to hide even if it would not be terribly interesting or incriminating to the rest of us.