
We'll leave aside for now the high hilarity of George Stephanopoulos having Tom DeLay on to talk about ethics, and letting him blather on about corrupt Democrats virtually without challenge (I can think of 20 things a good journalist would've started hammering DeLay about on the spot, but obviously DeLay took the gig because he had no fear of anything like that happening). Howard Dean did an excellent job of scoffing at the absurdity of the situation, but then came Father Tim recounting practically the same narrative. So did Maura Liasson. The thing that they all seem to be terrified of is that the Democrats will gain a majority and start impeachment proceedings (or at least launch investigations) of the White House (it seems to be Chris Matthews' deepest, darkest fear).
I have to ask -- is this matter really polling that well? Are Americans trembling in fear that the GOP might have it's dirty laundry tossed by the Democrats? It all sounds a bit Tell Tale Heart to me. Now I know why DeLay doesn't want it to happen, but why are Matthews and Russert so consumed with fear of Congressional oversight?
I'd like to harken back to probably my favorite story I've ever written on. It has to do with a footnote in a Fitzgerald filing when Russert was fighting tooth and nail to keep from having to answer the Special Counsel's questions. Russert was claiming that the general waiver signed by Scooter was "coerced," and that if he testified his "sources" would never trust him again. To which Fitzgerald said:
It is also relevant to note that Russert has treated an asserted waiver of the reporter's privilege quite differently when convenient. When Richard Clarke published his book Against All Enemies and testified before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the September 11 Commission), Clarke became subject to intense media scrutiny. On March 24, 2004, the White House disclosed Clarke's identity as the "senior administration official" who gave a "background" briefing in August 2002. When Clarke appeared as a guest on Meet the Press on March 28, 2004, Russert noted the White House had been aggressive in attacking Clarke's credibility and had identified Clarke as the source for the background briefing -- without indicating any concern about the "voluntariness" of the waiver, in which Clarke apparently played no role. (Copy of the March 28, 2004, Meet the Press transcript, Exhibit 1). Russert did not hesitate to broadcast out of any concern that such disclosure might chill future background sources.
I just love that tight, brutal paragraph. I have to resurrect it every now and again if only for my own amusement.
Russert fucked Richard Clarke, Fitzgerald knew it and he called him on it. Russert was willing to sell the high journalistic principles he claims to cherish so much down the river for the party and the access he values even more. He fought relentlesslyl to keep from helping Fitzgerald (and the public) nail Scooter Libby. How is he going to feel when people like John Conyers (whom he smeared this morning -- and Conyers fires back here) start looking into the all-too-cozy relationship that the press had with the White House in leading the country down the garden path to war?
The next time Russert and Matthews start quaking in their shoes at the thought of Democrats with subpoena power, I think it's time to remember that it's not their beloved Republicans they fear for, and given their ecstatic participation in the Cliniton hunt it sure isn't the public. Could it be their own sorry asses they fear being exposed? Is that why they're working overtime to spread GOP narratives and attempting to strike fear in the hearts of their viewers at the specter of impeachment?
You know, I think it just might be.
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Russert must resign. He’s tainted, and he’s failed the public interest. If he gets out now, he can be spared some of the Domenech treatment. But I suspect he lacks the perspicacity.
The “impeachment” thing probably only motivates the base, which is why the Rethugs like Dole have been warning their followers in mailings but not going on about it so much in public.
Man, the Dems will have so many bigger fish to fry than Little Timmy. Far more high crimes and misdemeanors than what reporters were on the dole or on the take.
Somehow I can’t believe they’re whoring for the GOP just for moolah. I think it’s worse. I think people like Russert and Tweety and the rest are true believers—–or at least they will be until they think it’s gonna blow back and get ‘em.
But frankly, it’s already clear that the Bushies are going down in history as total fuck-ups, so then you’d think any normal- thinking, ordinary suck-ups to power would get a clue and start backing off. But the McMedia types aren’t doing that. So maybe they really are True Believers.
Great post…
Great post. Again you articulated what I am feeling. Russert and Matthews are practically in a panic these days.
(BTW, caught a typo - fifth paragraph, last line - counry instead of country.)
The tinfoil hat angle here is the DIA’s psyops campaign and all the money they’ve put into it for domestic consumption. Anyone wanna take odds on GE’s defense contracting interest in having its NBC news division play ball?
Raw is reporting that WaPo will have a big story on Rove/Wilson in tomorrow’s paper.
Breaking news!!! ;) Deborah Howell corrects weather phone numbers, thanks to an alert reader who called anonymously!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01525.html
===The Post depends on alert readers to point out errors, and we need to appreciate and encourage that. An anonymous caller [who asked that his/her name not be used because of the possible threat to national security] alerted me this week to the fact that the weather page has been running two discontinued telephone numbers. That was fixed. Score one for the readers.===
EPU-ed from last thread:
Amid the discussion of Bushie’s presidential highlight being fishin’ in his bathtub, as it were, I’ve seen little notice paid to the flip side of his comments, the worst day of his presidency. 9/11’s obvious, but what was telling to me was his saying, “In such a situation it takes a while before one understands what is happening,†Bush said. “I would say that this was the hardest moment, once I had the real picture before my eyes.â€
Huh? The real picture? Was it a DVD his staff had to put together for him, like Katrina?
And Russert this morning, guesting the Bush clone. Subtext: lucky, lucky you, you get to be in the in crowd, ’cause that nasty other guy he’s a MEAN comedian. The Old Media Washington Press Corpse has been co-opted by the ultimate mean nasty guys for so long they don’t even recognize their own abetting.
One wonders if Colbert and his writing team are even now slavering over word of the day: Mean.
As Teddy Roosevelt would say, “Bully!â€
setting aside the fact of whether all those investigations ever take place — and i have my doubts — i don’t know that the relentless drumbeat now starting about don’t vote democratic because they’ll harrass the white house is such a winning meme to have out there for the g.o.p. and its lapdog media.
at the very least, it galvanizes the base for both parties, as opposed to other wedge issues, which seem only to stir the bits in the republican soupcan.
the far more dispiriting prospect is that rove and company will return to the playbook for the 2002 midterm elections. you know, the one which called for a summertime discussion about the prospect for a preemptive invasion, followed by the roll out in september (because you don’t roll out a campaign in august, as marketer andy card memorably put it) of a force resolution that can be used as a litmus test on how “tough” an incumbent is on terror. indeed, i would be stunned if they didn’t use that playbook. it’s the only one they know.
This coordinated smokescreen today is so ridiculous in its bias that I don’t know how anyone can doubt the GOP owns the top journalists (at least the TV mannequin versions). The same group that were exercising their “good journalism” with the endless hunting of Clinton are now going to the opposite extreme to protect the Bush government.
I have to wonder if there isn’t, along with the K Street Project, a GOP J-School Project. We always assume dictatorship would involve government-controlled media, but what we have in this country is a party-controlled media. It’s proving more powerful than actually running the government.
How irrelavent they are. During their impeachment of Clinton (it was the wingers’ and the media’s) Clinton’s poll numbers remained high. Despite their incessant bashing of Gore, Gore won the election (but Bush came thru for the media). And now, in spite of their constant proping of the Bush disaster, Bush has numbers in the toilet. If they keep it up, the media might deliver both houses to the Dems. The electorate seems to see right thru their paper-thin cover. The left side bloggers should be spending their efforts on the real culprits, the corporations who run the Republican administration.
Fitzsnark? I like it.
bee eye en gee oh!
looks like the typo has been fixed.
VG #10: That ombudsman column was another disaster — how telling that she ended it with “Score one for the readers.” Which just goes to show how horribly off-base Deb is about her job, the WaPo, and its readers….
You all had a super book salon this afternoon, sorry to miss it — it was great to have the authors stay to chat!
I’m still in Virginia with Mom. We saw Newt Gingrich when we were out to lunch today, and I wanted to ask him for my cut of his TIME article where he said the Dems should run on “Had enough?”
Great post, Jane, one wonders what they’re all so terrified of — and Conyers sure tore Timneh a new one, eh?
The poolboy’s article is up:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00717.html
OK: “Pumpkinhead” is pretty obvious, but why do we call him “Father Tim?” and what is the joke behind “Timmeh?”
There’s nothing more unsettling to a while male of middling intelligence than a meritocracy.
Russert and Matthews are practically in a panic these days.
Olbermann’s ratings vs. their ratings may be have them worried.
“In such a situation it takes a while before one understands what is happening,†Bush said. “I would say that this was the hardest moment, once I had the real picture before my eyes.â€
Well, it’s a good thing for fighter pilot Georgie that Nixon didn’t call up the Texas National Guard for duty in Vietnam. Imagine if it took a while before he understood what was happening when they started shooting antiaircraft guns at his plane…
Could it be their own sorry asses they fear being exposed? … You know, I think it just might be.
Gov. LePetomaine: “Gentlemen! We must protect our phony baloney jobs!” [/Blazing Saddles]
Ya know, when I caught some of these shows this morning the thought that popped into my head was that these people really think it’s the *Dems* who are the natural party of government, not the GOP, and they’re throwing up all this dreck because they’re afraid their little game is falling apart.
I used to think they viewed the Rs as the natural party of government and allied with them for that reason. But maybe it’s the other way around? Is that why they so consistently take the anti-Dem line? Guess I’m just a little late to the party.
New WaPo article — looks like Luskin’s last, best attempt to spin.
I still say Wed. = sealed indctment, Thurs. = notification of press conference on Friday, and Fri. = “Rove Indicted”
The fact that the GOP is only pushing the line of “if you elect the Democrats, it’ll be nothing but investigations” privately to their base shouldn’t matter. Democrats should be telling the country nonstop that the big idea from the party that claims the Dems don’t have any ideas is:
“Keep us in power, it’s the only way to keep us out of jail!”
“Now I know why DeLay doesn’t want it to happen, but why are Matthews and Russert so consumed with fear of Congressional oversight”?
With respect, Hamsher, why play it coy with such a silly question?
Matthews and Russert are ciphers. If not them, it would simply be two other pompous, beltway aggrandized bagmen for Disney and General Electric. You know that.
I’m with you aReader. They already know it, too.
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Puppethead — GOP J-school project, I think so.
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Man, that Fitz team is 100% leakproof…
And Jane, I love that you manage to keep all this “ammo” to call them on their B.S. time and time again.
Maybe it’s being exposed as the shills they are that has them in a spin; maybe it’s the fear of failing ratings, though I suspect ratings aren’t that important when their real job isn’t selling advertising but selling the party line. But what I hope has them quaking in their shoes is very real legal jeopardy, at very least of the civil kind.
Told ya, pool boy will believe anything. Rove has the reputation as an evil genius, but he, like most of Bush’s cronies, is a complete f**k up at the governing thing.
Why does Bush keep so many incompetent people around him? He is mired in the low 30s, has a hell of a mess in Iraq, limping through a second term, yet he seems so reluctant to get rid of Rove or anyone on his core team. He simply cannot abide to get rid of any of his old Texas cronies. The MSM explain this as ’stubbornness’, or ‘loyalty’, or a ‘reluctance to change’, but they never mention the obvious answer. He’s afraid.
This is a guy who wasn’t successful financially till his daddy’s friends helped him out with a sweetheart deal. He didn’t accomplished anything in public life without the help of Rove and co. No matter how bad his cronies screw up or how much damage they do to the country – he doesn’t care. He is too scared to lose them. To lose them would be like losing his security blanket.
Bush never went through any hard knocks, never had his metal tested, never built anything real by himself. The same guy who froze during the worst day in American history, is now paralyzed in the midst of his own political crisis. But count on the MSM to ignore this angle, they are too invested in the photo-op of Bush with the bullhorn.
#26 Thursday….all Dems stay at home and sober.
Sonoma #28
The rhetorical question is an effective literary alternative to belaboring the obvious.
and Neurophius #20
I’ve always assumed ‘Timmeh’ comes from the wheel-chair-bound character in South Park…
There are several narratives that the Republicans will use as we approach the midterms. If anyone thinks that these are examples of a “positive agenda” please let me know.
1. But the Democrats are all crooks too!
2. Those pesky Democrats will hold the president accountable for starting an idiotic war and that would be a BAD thing.
3. Gays are bad.
4. Aliens are scarier than Gays.
5. The Democrats will stop the president from starting a war against Iran (big US threat with scary centrifuges).
6. And now for the big positive item: We’ll give you a hundred bucks!!!
What else do they have, other than contacts deep inside Diebold? If anyone knows, please let me in on it, because I watch pretty closely and that is just about all I can see. Oh, and taxes, of course, you all know that nobody has to pay taxes, right?
Russert’s display was idiotic, and Pelosi should have handled it MUCH better than she did. Which house Dems have real brains and cojones? Conyers is not at all a young man, and as much as I honor Murtha, he is not the guy either. Let’s make Dennis Kucinic the speaker in January!!
peace,
jim
I’d like to see a chart of estimated salaries for the “top” journos and exactly how much the bush tax cuts are saving them.
Jane,
I have been reading you for the better part of a year now with great admiration. Just as Joe Strummer married words, music and irony to lift us all to a higher plane of understanding our existential place in this kitchy marketing-driven capitalist culture, you have elevated our understanding of the political deals that fuck us over every day and the white knights who fight for the truth and for the people (Go Fitz and Russ!) But there have been few posts which cut to the heart of the true nature media-government complex better that this one. I work in a big media corporation and there is nothing that these maggots fear more that someone pulling the rock up off their cozy little back scratching. Rock on girl!
Timmeh just snarled at Nancy this morning.
nerophius #20: “Timmeh” is from South Park, it’s a character who’s probably supposed to have cerebral palsy, and can’t say anything but his own name.
Man, that Fitz team is 100% leakproof…
That is truly amazing, isn’t it? Fitzgerald is an authentic American hero. The best this country has to offer. I hope he becomes Attorney General someday.
I remember reading that Jack Welch considered Tweety and Timmeh his best pupils - so proud of the way he “convinced” them to give up their “liberal” ways and make GE’s bottom line their new god - apparently right after Karl Rove personally convinced Welch that a dumbya victory in 2000 would result in $megazillions for Welch and GE.
Welch scoffs at the idea of real journalism and has fired journalists who asked real questions that were not in GE’s best intereests. His media enterprises (NBC, MSNBC) became nothing but vehicles to get republicans elected - period.
I think Welch is retired now, but Tweety and Timmeh are still his “boys.”
I’m in Texas right now visiting my dad after his surprise quintuple bypass (he’s doing great,btw). I have to say, for some of the people I know around here who would rather hate puppies or eat a baby than vote for a Democrat, the tide isn’t just turning, it’s way out to sea. One dyed in the wool republican I’ve known since birth who hails from an oil family and who still attempts the offhand racist joke, openly stated today that any one party with this much unopposed power is bad for our government. He had a sober and genuine curiosity about what Democrats he should know about. I was shocked.
Also, my father remarried last year to a Bushite who has a son that flies B-1 bombers based out of Dyess AFB. She, her visiting bomber son, and some other friends were sitting around today, and to my surprise, revealed that their penchant for honesty, respect for innocent life, and ability to recognize a clusterfuck, have left them feeling deceived and fearful for not only our nation but the world. The bomber son I wasn’t so sure about but he may have felt like the de facto symbolic receptacle for all the anti-war and negative republican sentiment being aired.
Considering the new common ground, I didn’t feel compelled to say much, which is nice.
Yep, you nailed it on the head. Sorry asses. Cheeky pontificators. Liars. Certainly not journalists. Stop this insane war now and send all the enablers to prison for sedition. Including russett.
Teddy SanFran @18
Hi Newt!
OK, we’ve got (1) True Believer; (2) Afeared for their sorry asses; (3) Ratings. I think we’re looking at all of the above: the mood is shifting and damn how ya’ gonna control the ratings and the advertising dollars if the folks are heading to the blogs and the Comedy Channel?
If this continues, the cable and networks are gonna’ fire their winger butts and hire people more (ulp!) liberal. If the libs win a couple of elections the chickens are gonna’ come home to roost and the networks are going be called on their shit, aren’t they?
It’s jobs and dollars and corporate meetings where the Word is thundered from on high: Get the people back in line! Get your ratings back up! Fix this shit now! (’Cept that pony done his one trick, hasn’t he?)
Muzzy,
I’ve been getting that feeling lately, too, at my fairly right-leaning workplace. It’s nice to hear people just spontaneously expressing their new-found awareness.
Stephanopoulos is such a dissapointment . . . what the fuck happened to the little man . . .
are coctail weenies really that tasty . . . are mickey’s $ that important . . . that little fucker can kiss my ass . . . ARRRRRGGGGGG!
I think the Republican fearmongering of Democratic investigations is something we need to take advantage of.
For instance, we can turn their own rhetoric around on them. “If they haven’t done anything wrong, what do the Republicans have to be afraid of?”
Or how about this, interview situation:
Pundit: What about accusations that Democrats only want to win so they can impeach the President?
Response: (laughs, out loud and heartily) See, that just cracks me up. Do the Republicans honestly think “Don’t elect the other guy, he’ll expose my corruption!” is a really winning campaign slogan? If that’s what we need to compete, I gotta confess I’m not too worried.
I mean, it’s just such an easy message to ridicule. What could the GOP possibly be thinking?
Thanks, tprez2000 and Redshift, for “Timmeh.” I learn something new every day.
“Father Tim,” anyone?
TedySanFran:
“Hey. . . aren’t you Candice Gingrich’s brother?”
Olberman on O’Lielly
/snerk
everhopeful — is that in Welsh’s book?
Not all that long ago, journalists made about what a senior guy with a union job did.
Guys like Welch bought Timmeh and Tweety off, and intimidated the Clair Shipmans of the world (while man’s man Brokaw watched).
http://www.midtod.com/exclusives/jack-welch.phtml
Want another example of why most journalists are full of it? They love to quote “follow the money.”
Let’s do.
http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=1611
“The love of money is the root of all evil”
The “Monsignor Tim” moniker comes from Russert’s penchant for flaunting his Catholicism with faux working class glee, and for moralizing about religion in politics (particularly bashing Dems for being “hostile” to religion).
You can understand Fitz reaching for cold steel when talking about Clarke. He’s on record, several times, comparing public and private service, and explaining why he chose the less lucrative path. Clarke made the same kind of choices that he did: son of a Boston factory worker, 30-year government vet. And Nantucket Timmeh fucked him over.
Anyway, re: the mid-terms, the ‘don’t rock the boat’ line is going to wear very thin, very quickly. The Dems need to solidify a first-100-days legislative plan, but the overriding principle should be ‘kick the bastards out’. And that’s how they combat incumbency. Got a fat porker committee GOPper in your district? He’s going to be in the minority next year, so why bother voting for pork, when you can have a freshman Dem who’s on the majority side?
Response: (laughs, out loud and heartily) See, that just cracks me up. Do the Republicans honestly think “Don’t elect the other guy, he’ll expose my corruption!†is a really winning campaign slogan? If that’s what we need to compete, I gotta confess I’m not too worried.
Or ‘if the Republicans think they’re doing such a good job, then that should be the least of their worries.’
i’ve always been suspicious if this isn’t a contributing factor for fat tim’s and tweety’s fealty to fredo. jeff immelt has to show his appreciation somehow to the millions and millions of dollars fredo has had an assist in adding to general electric’s bottom line:
Reuters July 23, 2005
With Bush’s help, GE courts Indian PM, nuke sector
In-Depth Coverage
By Adam Entous
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Just over an hour after the White House’s surprise pledge to help India develop its civilian nuclear power sector, the head of General Electric, the American company that could benefit most from the policy change, sat down for a celebratory dinner.
The host was President George W. Bush; a few feet away was India’s prime minister, Manmohan Singh, and his top aides. GE Chief Executive Jeff Immelt, a contributor to Bush’s presidential campaigns, had a coveted seat at the president’s table.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/.....a-nuke.htm
Why are the Beltway media whores shaking so bad, they can’t hold on to their cocktail weenie trays?
They are as butt naked as Emporer Bush, and their credibility will go down the toilet with his.
This country has been evenly divided for ten years, despite the constant media suck up to the GOP — and this parity was only achieved because of the media. Now that Bush has been exposed as the incompetent lunatic that he is, the media enablers are looking worse and worse.
To paraphrase somebody: the Kewl Kidz are all Gannon/Guckerts now.
Pachacutec 57
Thanks, Pach. Since I hardly ever watch the guy, I probably would not have figured that one out.
“The rhetorical question is an effective literary alternative to belaboring the obvious”.
That’s a fair answer, and I thank you for it. But it’s also one I think off the mark. The obvious is rarely belabored.
For every instance of legitimate criticism the sabbath gasbags endure, perhaps 2 in 10 mention who signs their paychecks.
I advocate, say, when Russert’s name is invoked, he be referred to as Russert/GE. Just like a politician (Boxer/D). It would be easy. It would be honest. More-so than exclusively hacking on an individual being paid to absorb legitimate criticisms that should righteously fall on the corporation. They’re members of a political organization, too, (in a very real and sinister sense), albeit private sector apparatchiks.
If nothing else, folks unaccustomed to thinking in such terms just might begin to wise up.
Unless I’ve missed something (and that’s certainly possible), there doesn’t appear to be anything really new in the WaPo/VandeHei piece.
Something I haven’t really seen considered here (again I may have missed it): Anything less than multiple indictments for Rove will likely be seen and spun as total victory for the administration. Look for a significant JAR bounce if that happens. We all know that prosecutors sometimes opt not to charge a person even if they are reasonably certain that the person has committed a crime. The reasons can vary but in this specific instance, I think it is a mistake for the rest of us out here to underestimate the legal team behind Rove. (I’m certainly not suggesting Fitzgerald’s unit underestimates team Rove.)
I’m just saying that Rove and Fitz appear to be locked in a very high stakes chess game at the moment and that, given the legal power working on behalf of Rove, Fitz may decide at some point he has played the best game possible but has been out maneuvered and must concede. It happens even to the best players.
Of course if Rove has committed a crime, I sincerely hope Fitzgerald makes a shining example of Rove. But the difficulty of doing so should not be underestimated nor should we assign superhuman attributes to the Fitzgerald team by assuming they can overcome whatever obstacles team Rove puts in their way.
I know most here are optimistic Rove will be charged and you may indeed be correct. But I really don’t think I’m being cynical when I say that the history of corruption in the executive branch suggests, one way or the other, the guilty are seldom held accountable.
-x-
Jane - I read it online in a piece entitled:
THE MEDIA COVER-UP OF THE GORE VICTORY
PART FOUR: DEMOCRACY, GENERAL ELECTRIC STYLE
http://www.makethemaccountable.....art_04.htm
Great post, Jane.
I hope the talking heads who exhorted America into Iraq are held accountable for their complicity in this illegal war.
The pro-Iraq war pundits and journos are as guilty as the Ruwandan broadcasters who exhorted their listeners to genocide.
Rwanda (not Ruwanda). My bad.
there doesn’t appear to be anything really new in the WaPo/VandeHei piece.
The new bit is that a former official leaked to Vandehei about his testimony (about Karl’s focus on Wilson). That contradicts Luskin, “Luskin, Rove’s attorney, said Rove’s focus was not on Wilson.”
Anything less than multiple indictments for Rove will likely be seen and spun as total victory for the administration.
A Karl Rove indictment is a disaster for Bush, and it will be reported that way.
This is the central question here: do Matthews and Russert believe this administration can bear even the slightest scrutiny? No, they don’t. That’s the elephant in the room here, people–we all know BushCo has broken the law umpteen times over since 2000.
If you don’t feel that that’s the case, then you’re not worried. I mean, if you’re not guilty, why fear scrutiny?
Does Kevin Klein rue Wanda?
Does KangaRoo Wanda?
marksb #48:
“OK, we’ve got (1) True Believer; (2) Afeared for their sorry asses; (3) Ratings. I think we’re looking at all of the above: the mood is shifting and damn how ya’ gonna control the ratings and the advertising dollars if the folks are heading to the blogs and the Comedy Channel?
How about (4) General Hayden’s illegal Snoop Dirty-Dirt has the goods on e_v_e_r_y_b_o_d_y_. That’s probably how Delay kept all them gooper congressperps in line, as well.
Is it really going to work for the Republicans to get people concerned about Bush being impeached? I don’t see where this is a winner. How many people are going to vote Republican only because they don’t think Bush should be impeached? This seems like a bigger worry to other Republican leadership and a chunk of the media than to your average disenfranchised voter.
#73 I was just going to say the same thing–why will pissed off conservatives suddenly want to protect the guy they’re pissed off at? What the f*ck kind of election “idea” is that?
The Democrats’ slogan on this issue should be, “Why are you so afraid of scrutiny?”
Rob:
“The new bit is that a former official leaked to Vandehei about his testimony (about Karl’s focus on Wilson). That contradicts Luskin, “Luskin, Rove’s attorney, said Rove’s focus was not on Wilson.â€
Thanks, I did miss that.
“A Karl Rove indictment is a disaster for Bush, and it will be reported that way. “
My thought there was that a single charge might be spun with the old “That’s just a small technicality. All that work and just a single charge?” but that multiple charges would not be so easy to spin.
Still, I think you are probably correct — i.e even a single charge would be significant. Especially in light of the poor PR management we’re seeing from the WH lately - a la Goss, and the Colbert thing.
Maybe Russert paid a few visits to one of those poke’er (or poke-him) hospitality suites, eh?
Maybe Pelosi is smart to promise hearings instead of impeachment, eh? Even a succesful impeachment and conviction would only get rid of one moronic lackey of Big Money. Think how many stinking fish heads might be exposed in, oh, a few miscellaneous Q & A sessions under oath with real questions and real (compelled) answers.
cs 34
… though I suspect ratings aren’t that important when their real job isn’t selling advertising but selling the party line…
Indeed. Remember when the network news divisions were a point of pride, loss-leaders that weren’t subject to the bottom line? (think Good Night and Good Luck). Nowadays, it would seem that they’re loss-leaders of another sort - greasing the skids for the corporate profiteers by fronting the GOP story lines.
Scrutiny of the Bounty
steve expat: I agree, it doesn’t seem like a winner - until you factor in the planned attack on that AXIS OF EVIL, Iran! Then, it becomes “We’re at war - Our President is trying to protect Americans and fight THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR - and the democrats are trying to impeach him?”
I still don’t think it will work - even if we (God forbid!) attack Iran - but I think that’s Rove’s plan…
Tim, Chris & the Boys act like folks being blackmailed - it’s the only scenario I can come up with that explains ALL their behavior.
Jane - I’ve just been reading Jason Leopold’s latest article on the Rove case. He raises a number of points relative to Fitz’s evidence that look new to me. For instance:
“…what has not been previously reported is the fact that there are dozens of other memos and emails Rove sent to White House officials in June 2003, including former Chief of Staff Andrew Card, in which Rove suggests the White House launch a full scale public relations effort to attack Joseph Wilson for speaking out against the administration.”
Did ‘we’ know this?
Very interesting post, thanks Jane.
Perhaps Mr. Russert and others fear that the truth will come out. The corruption wasn’t only in the White House, the People’s House, the Senate and the government bureacracy. It stretched its slimy tentacles into mainstream media.
Mr. Russert, et al, probably don’t want the average American to find out that they also engaged in pay to play, Karl-Rove-style. In exchange for access, the media “personalities” asked the softball questions, engaged in ocassional hits on the Dems and always, but always, repeated the Republican talking points that came out of the Rovian West Wing of the House.
Xmas 2006. Bush Sr. to Dim Son, “I told you that Rove dude was bad news.”
This passage sticks in your throat like sour milk. It pisses me off that people like Pelosi won’t call him on it, (something like ‘Tim, are you planning on asking Newt next week why it was he left his cancer ridden wife for his mistress, and if he thinks that might affect his presidential ambitions?).
from: THE MEDIA COVER-UP OF THE GORE VICTORY
PART FOUR: DEMOCRACY, GENERAL ELECTRIC STYLE
By David Podvin and Carolyn Kay:
“In private, Welch was proud to have personally cultivated Tim Russert from a “lefty” to a responsible representative of GE interests. Welch sincerely believed that all liberals were phonies. He took great pleasure in “buying their leftist souls”, watching in satisfaction as former Democrats like Russert and MSNBC’s Chris Matthews eagerly discarded the baggage of their former progressive beliefs in exchange for cold hard GE cash. Russert was now an especially obedient and model employee in whom the company could take pride.”
Thanks for the great piece Jane…you really
nailed it!! Being from Boston, and knowing a bit about the former speaker Tip O’Neill…I get so ticked off at Tweety when he starts saying about how he worked and learned from Tip…well, let me tell you, Tip would have Tweety’s head on a platter if he were still alive. I hope once we manage to gain control that all these so called
broadcast journalists get their due justice.
Out on their asses and on the unemployment line.
Keep up the great work…and btw, a couple of good friends of mine are going to the Yearly Kos party and are going to try and meet you.
Both are from DC…so don’t be surprised!!
Wish I could go, but circumstances here prevent it. Have fun!
Jane - also from the Leopold article:
“Sources close to the case said that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales withheld numerous emails from Fitzgerald’s probe, citing “executive privilege” and “national security” concerns. These sources said that as of Friday, May 5, there were still some emails that had not been turned over to Fitzgerald because they contain classified information in addition to references about the Wilsons.
steve expat 73, maybe the Rs are thinking back to when Clinton’s popularity actually rose after the impeachment efforts started, and assuming the same reaction will hold for Bush. They are, of course, missing the point that Clinton hadn’t done anything worthy of impeachment, whereas Bush deserves impeachment (not to mention prosecution and imprisonment) many times over. But given the political myopia of much of the GOP where W is concerned, it’s not surprising.
I was a J-school refugee. It was so tedious and robotic that I think the only people who could stand it were the college repugnicans. I dropped out and went to English. I thought, “I came here to write, not to be taught to write as meaninglessly and mechanically as is humanly possible.”
The whole department was geared toward people who look and act like Nancy Grace and Stone Phillips. (HURL!) The J-school interns we get at our radio station are about as incurious and desultory as you can be and still have a pulse.
Man, Mara Liasson. If she’s going to be NPR’s main blogger then they need to hire me to act as her liberal foil. Not just RNC talking points, but LAST SEASON’S talking points at that! What, did she pick those up for 60% off on the sales rack at the Pundit Outlet Mall? Some little number she pounced on when she was cruising Lynne Cheney’s yard sale? Jeez, lady!
Why is the MSM worrried the Dems will take the House and Senate? Can’t they count on Diebold to hand over the election to the rethugs again? Has Diebold been neutered?
If Rove gets indicted on a single charge, it will spell THE END. No matter how it’s spun, another WH official indicted who has the kind of power Rove has (and Libby once had) will put the lie to the whole WH/Scotty statements at the start of this investigation. And then the rest of the lies will be exposed as the case goes on.
I will not be disappointed if the only other indictment is Rove, but I wish for more, and expecially for the conspiracy charge to come flying forward. As Wisconsinites say, that would be a “Great day in the cow barn.”
#87, That would be “especially.” Duh.
“George Step-on-top-o-this”
maybe he needs to borrow Barbara Boxer’s booster platform.
He could use some Boxer boosters, all right.
rove, rove, rove your bloat
gently now we blame
merely lies, merely lies, merely lies, merely lies,
life is but a plame
70 -
“Does Kevin Klein Rue Wanda?”
Enkleindering minds wanda know
I may have to sing that little tune as I fall asleep. Looks like this thread is over.
better:
life*, for outing Plame
*(w/o parole)
Ah, Kirk, you’re still around. Good one!
Ed N Sted says:
My thought there was that a single charge might be spun with the old “That’s just a small technicality. All that work and just a single charge?†but that multiple charges would not be so easy to spin.
Well, it’s true they won’t be easy to spin, but that won’t keep Republicans from spinning. Remember how Kay Bailey Hutchison after Libby’s 5-count indictment tried to convince everyone that they were all just “technicalities”, and people like Bill Kristol have been desperately ejaculating the same b.s. every since. Their sad, plaintive cries will echo again (once Rove is indicted) through the sets of Fox Sunday, Press the Meat and Snuffleuppagus’s show but it will be the sound of a tree falling in the forest with no one there to hear it.
Excuse me if this has been put up today:
 Last Question Is Obstruction for Fitzgerald, Rove
    By Jason Leopold
    t r u t h o u t | Report
    Sunday 07 April 2006
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050706Z.shtml
#73 & #74: “Is it really going to work for the Republicans to get people concerned about Bush being impeached?”
Yeah, that’ll work well, just keep the impeachment image fresh in our minds. Imagine Ford with a new advertising slogan “Our cars do not explode! The media is biased and those films were rigged and anyway lots of cars explode and only a few people burned up and the other car companies make exploding cars too!”
That’s real top-drawer marketing.
thanks Dana - but all props to punaise - amazing!
Glad you’re still on the thread - is this the West Coast bit of fabric?
a perch named wanda
West Coast (CA here) and insomniacs from points eastward….
#98, I dunno. It’s way late on the east coast and raining. I’m trying to put off Monday. Wanda go fishing with punaise?
kirk 92 - double-dipping! two fishes with one cast. heh heh
Investigations by a Democratic-controlled Congress? No.
The real fear, the real reason for all the lies, the corruption, the phony war(s), for the trashing of our constitutional rights?
I have your answer in one word: Metrication.
Nothing scares a repug (and their shrill supporters in the CM) more than the metric system. It truly is French, and foreigners use it (gasp).
Since immigration reform has turned out to be a loser, you can bet they’ll try to scare the masses with metrication.
I think what they really fear is the end of their long cocktail party, with the money and self importance that has come along with it. Imagine if they had to get real jobs, even real journalist jobs. The cocktail party is about the cocktail party and the people who attend the cocktail - it has nothing to do with covering politics, politicians or issues. Its all a game. And, when the regime falls, all of its enablers fear that they will be held to account for its actions. I for one hope that is true.
and big marsupial group jumps to you, Dana :)
Don’t know if
Kanga Does Roo
rueing my ignorance….
EPU! You are going to be EPU’ed for sure. I’m a tad skittish about the metric system myself. It’s not scarier than a Nile Perch, though.
Jane raises a great question- “Is it a net positive or a net negative for dems if voters think that they will work to impeach Clusterfuck if they take control.. I think the answer is “No one knows”.
Smells like “Rove goes down week” I assume there will be some liquid refreshments soon. Won’t be good news for goopers.
Best outcome- Fitz announces the indictment and then says that the investigation is NOT concluded.
It’s kinda cute how the number one comment is usually “Fitz”. However, if we don’t start thinking “Diebold” all of this dancing in the streets will be brushed away by another stolen election. You’ve heard it many times before but as old Joe Stalin used to say “It’s not who votes that matters..it’s who counts the votes.”