(This is the first in Matt O.'s Saturday afternoon series on war profiteering, a subject that Robert Greenwald will also be tackling in his new film Iraq For Sale: The War Profiteers.)
March 1st marked the sixty-fifth anniversary of the appointment of the Senate Special Committee to Investigate the National Defense Program, otherwise known as the “Truman Committee.” Heralded as one of the most productive committees in United States history, then-Missouri Senator Harry S. Truman chaired the effort to cut out government monetary waste on defense contracts amounting to $15 billion. Truman went as far as to proclaim that war profiteering was "treason."
Ironically, we intersect with another statement from the former president. Truman dubbed the 1948 Congress as the "Do-Nothing Congress" because they were in session for only 108 days. But I think the current collection of suits has them beat with only 97 days in session. It's the "Do-Less-Than-Nothing" Congress and while they chase 12 million undocumented workers all over the country in the House and go off on gay-bashing tirades on the Senate floor, they are ignoring a major issue - war profiteering.
If there ever was a time when the Truman Committee was so desperately needed, that time is now. The cost of the War in Iraq recently reached $320 billion and likely to double by war's end without adequate oversight that has led to billions missing and defense contractors running amok in Iraq.
"[Iraq] can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon." -Former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, March 2003
Just days after the initial decapitation strike aimed to kill Saddam Hussein, Noelle Straub of the Boston Herald reported on March 26, 2003 that President Bush sought (and received with stipulations in April) $74.7 billion from Congress to cover the cost of the war and post-war rebuilding efforts.
Immediately, concerns were raised as non-competitive contracts were awarded to the "most politically connected" in the country. The Center for Public Integrity (CPI) told BBC News that most of the funds went to corporations or persons that were George W. Bush campaign donors in 2000. (Halliburton's subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root received a $7 billion contract, which Vice President Cheney claimed that he had "no influence of, involvement of, knowledge of in any way, shape or form" in the decision. However, an e-mail from Doug Feith said "We anticipate no issues since action has been coordinated w VP's office." And if you challenge him on it, he'll tell you to go Cheney-yourself. Talk about a major-league asshole. Big time.) Companies which the Institute of Southern Studies (ISS) dubbed the "merchants of misery." The no-bid contracts for Republican-friendly corporations were described as "looting" the federal treasury in an April 2003 editorial (May issue) in The Nation. Representatives Henry Waxman (D-California) and John Dingell (D-Michigan) questioned the bidding process at the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). The San Francisco Chronicle reported that Bechtel Corp. received a large contract worth as much as $680 million to rebuild water, sewage and power systems. In the Associated Press, Larry Margasak wrote that Bechtel would receive $34.6 million up front and could receive the higher figure pending Congressional approval.
Resistance continued to be stiff in Iraq after the President's overdone entrance and declaration of "mission accomplished" aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln in May 2003. By August, the U.S. was spending $3.9 billion a month in Iraq.
The White House and Congress sparred over additional funds for Iraq and Afghanistan in late 2003. The Bush administration sought an $87 billion grant package while others wanted the aid to be loans. The administration won out in November but Iraq reconstruction aid was cut to slightly to $18.6 billion, according to David Firestone of the New York Times. In April 2004, Alan Fram of the Associated Press wrote that security concerns slowed reconstruction progress as "up to one-fourth of U.S. reconstruction money for Iraq is going to security." Five senators asked the General Accounting Office to investigate private security firms in Iraq:
The letter was signed by Sens. Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Jon Corzine of New Jersey and Russell Feingold of Wisconsin. It underscores concerns that lawmakers have expressed in recent weeks about the contractors.
A recent review of government documents by The Associated Press found that 10 companies with billions of dollars in U.S. contracts for Iraq reconstruction have paid more than $300 million in penalties since 2000 to resolve allegations of bid rigging, fraud, delivery of faulty military parts and environmental damage.
The United States is paying more than $780 million to one British firm that was convicted of fraud on three federal construction projects and banned from U.S. government work during 2002. (emphasis mine)
And I ask you, where are the investigations? Still, nothing.
In late April 2004, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told the House Armed Services Committee that the war in Iraq was costing $4.7 billion a month. By June 2004, over $5 billion in reconstruction contracts were awarded for work in Iraq, Matt Duffy of the New York Sun reported, but the "PMO [Program Management Office] says about $2 billion worth of work is actually under way." Two months later, an audit by the Coalition Provisional Authority's Inspector General revealed that $8.8 billion was missing.
Surely, after reports of the CPA throwing their hands up and saying "Err I don't know" as to where almost $9 billion went, the Congress would get to the bottom of it. Perhaps... if they knew about it. According to Al Franken, Virginia Senator, 2008 Republican presidential hopeful and accused violent racist George Allen didn't even know the money was missing and he's on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Go figure.
With the news of a $855 billion deficit forecasted for the next decade by the Congressional Budget Office, President Bush approached Congress to fund a $81.9 billion supplement that included funds for the two wars, the new Director of National Intelligence and a new U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. The embassy is roughly the size of the Vatican City. [What's good for the Pope is good for the U.S. Ambassador to Baghdad, right? Obviously persons of equal stature.]
In July 2005, the Washington Post reported that, for some projects, as much as 36 percent of appropriated funds are diverted for security purposes. By late 2005, reconstruction funds were quickly drying up as the insurgency still raged in Iraq.
"For war, billions more but no more for the poor." -Reverend Joseph Lowery, February 2006
CBS' 60 Minutes reported in February 2006 that contracts went to corporations "with little or no oversight." The second-in-command of the Coalition Provisional Authority's Ministry of Transportation Frank Willis said that the accounting system was "nonexistant."
The next week, President Bush submitted a request for more money - $72.4 billion. David S. Cloud of the New York Times reported that the supplemental request would push the "total price tag for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to almost $400 billion." It included $65.3 billion for military operations, $4.2 billion for reconstruction and $1.9 billion "would go to research and fielding of equipment to help troops detect and defuse homemade bombs, the leading cause of American casualties." [They are just now getting to this?] The figure "does not include $50 billion for war costs that the White House plans to ask for soon for the first months of the 2007 fiscal year."
The Senate is currently debating the emergency spending bill on the heels of a recent GAO study that had troubling conclusions on the progress of the war and the black holes that large chunks of government funds wind up. Oil, water and electricity are all below pre-war levels and now the conflict has devolved into "sectarian strife" - the buzz word of the media at large but known to the rest of us as a "civil war," one that is not like the U.S. Civil War, Rummy informs us.
It was reported days ago that the cost of the war is fast approaching $10 billion a month while yearly expenditures have doubled since the invasion and are outpacing annual expenses of the Vietnam War.
It is not to say no one has ever tried to rein in contractors but ultimately they are shrugged off by the powers-that-be in Congress. Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) and Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) tried to reconvene the Truman Commission without success. In 2005, a largely party-line vote of 224-196 blocked efforts to resurrect a 21st century reincarnation of the Truman Committee in the House. The refusals to investigate bewilder me. I cannot help but to ask...
Why?
Why are we not zealously investigating this?
Why is it that politically-connected corporations are allowed to loot the federal treasury with impunity?
Why are the Vice President's buddies giving our soldiers contaminated water and not hauled before a Congressional committee because of it? Please explain to me how that "supports our troops" because I'm simply not seeing it.
Why are companies like Halliburton allowed to price gouge the government without consequence? *cough* ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell, BP *cough*
Why are companies hiring foreign nationals (as opposed to Iraqis) and paying them slave wages? Just how does that help spread our brand of democracy?
Perhaps some members of Congress didn't realize that supporting the troops entailed more than just sporting the standard U.S. flag lapel (or two), a yellow ribbon slapped on the back of their gas-guzzling SUV and using our forces as background fixtures to curry favor with the American people.
The truth is that these companies are not there to fulfill America's objective in the region. They are not there as American ambassadors of good will. They are not there out of a patriotic duty to country. Rather these bigwigs at Bechtel and Halliburton are in Iraq out of corporate greed and are dangerously cutting corners and overcharging the government to maximize profits. These "merchants of misery" inflame tensions by alienating Iraqis and put our forces at risk only to increase their bottom-line at the expense of the American taxpayer. Period.
War profiteering is not a partisan issue (or at least it shouldn't be). Even our frothing friends at LGF should be mad (if there's enough room in their "black book of hate.") It's bad enough these companies got no-bid contracts that could have gone to local Iraqi companies for a fraction of the cost because of their political connections. The last thing we want is to let them get away with it.
[Cross-posted at The Great Society]
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Here’s a sign for Dubya’s desk: The Fitz stops here
I guess this goes along with the do nothing congress
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0429.html
Frank Rich: Downing Street memo ‘proved accurate’
RAW STORY
Published: Saturday April 29, 2006
a column slated for Sunday’s edition which asserts that “[e]ach week brings new confirmation” that the Downing Street memo leaked last May has proved accurate, RAW STORY has learned.
I guess it’s pretty obvious someone at raw has an inside track to what’s going on at the times, they always give us a heads up.
anyway, first the times is late, that needed to be headlined in bold type when it first became known.
second, I want everyone to stop calling them “the downing street memo”
these are “official documents from our greatest Ally, the united kingdom”
the term “downing street memo” trivializes how important these documents are and the official capacity they serve
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Peterr -
That was good. I like that.
Fitz and double-Fitz!
Superb post, Matt, and it comes at a very critical time. War profiteering is one of those topics that you think about, and you feel like you must be the crazy one (as Atrios noted today). How come nobody in a position of prominence is screaming bloody murder about this? Thanks so much for the great wealth of research, once again you present things extremely well.
By way of Raw Story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....78_pf.html
I’ve been thinking about the Truman commission for a long time . . . in fact, every time I hear Dubya go off on his critics, dismissing them with a “we’re at war” reference.
If Truman & Co. could keep an eye on profiteers during a full-on shooting war that spanned the world, surely a couple of senators could do the same when we’re engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Truman lived up to his state’s motto: Show Me! That’s not a bad refrain to go along with this post, as in “Show me the records of the Cheney Energy task force” or “Show me the KBR accounting books.”
Stephen-
That just shows us that the Bush administration has a lot of friends.
great post. smart. tough to the point. We are finding some very powrful personal stories for the film that will support the facts and figures you cite here.. keep at them. robert greenwald
I don’t know about you guys but I want a full blown investigation of the bidding process, and into the actions of contractors overseas.
It seems that every single step of every single action the Bush administration has done needs an investigation for corruption. It’s totally overwhelming.
hehe
good one, “full blown investigation into the bidding process”…hehe…good one…this is the bush administration, the bidding process goes like this;
ummm, which of our pals should we give America’s treasure to next?”
Thanks for the kind words, Robert. I am looking forward to the finished documentary.
me to me #13
Hey, a guy can dream, right?
Thanks Matt O. It’s just so much fucking corruption. I’ve can’t believe the TM has all but ignored this.
For God sakes. These people are screwing our (my troop) troops.
Thank you Redd and Jane and Matt.
Now I’ll read the post.
Man I hope that Tom Delay is involved with hookergate.
Cathy #17
If only we could be so lucky. After all his talk about Christian values, I would just love - LOVE - to see the evangelicals run from him (or defend him, because I am sure there are some nuts out there that would; claim a liberal conspiracy to frame a good Christian, yada yada yada).
Matt O, you are a dream. This work is so incredibly important, and I’m hoping that it will get broad exposure here. I’m also sending it to everyone I know in the hopes that we each in our own way can contribute to the awakening of our citizenry. The outrage I feel is tremendous. We must see collective action taken against this endless fraud. Thank you for all your hard work. I’m really looking forward to the film.
exactly Matt O!
This whole issue of accountability also figures into Josh Bolton’s “housecleaning duties.” If Bolton wants to dump someone who must be confirmed by the Senate (like cabinet secretaries), that opens up a de-facto investigation, or at least the opportunity for asking all sorts of nasty and inconvenient questions at the confirmation hearings of any successors.
Friendly senate leaders can usually head off any calls for “special investigations,” but the Senate MUST hold confirmation hearings . . . That’s the biggest reason Rumsfeld is staying: gotta keep the microphones and cameras turned off in the Senate.
Matt O - great post.
meta #19
Thanks for the compliments. I’m looking forward to Robert’s film as well.
It really, honestly, baffles me how the government can just give away billions and there not be any sufficient accountability.
Government-spending accountability should be one of the tenants among fiscal conservatives but, to the best of my knowledge, they care more about making hard working immigrants felons and gays second-class citizens than to really address our problems like port security and government waste on war profiteers.
Matt O.,
You are a treasure, keep up the great work!
Back when Shock & Awe was still fresh in our memories, when the chickenhawks and the warmongers propagated their lies more flagrantly and the ribbon magnets and the W stickers were more prevalent than the dandelions on my lawn, sound rationale that challenged the “patriotic” momentum of the mainstream was enough to get you insulted and labeled any number of things (and I’m in New England).
The war-profiteering and the permanent bases should put those arguments to bed once and for all.
Al Franken has become something of a hero to me and if you’ve read his most recent book or listen to his AA show with any regularity you probably know what I mean. I think the war-profiteering pisses Al off as much as, if not more than anything else.
Keep shining the light on it folks, more Americans need to understand the depths of treason that are being plumbed by these war criminals.
Peace!
anon #22
Thank you.
BTW, I should note that Robert Greenwald is financing his film through online donations. I gave today and urge everyone who can to do so, it’s a really important project.
http://iraqforsale.org/
Jay #24
Thanks.
I listen to Al everyday on my iPod and read his two recent books.
I think the Baghdad embassy, the hiring of Kuwaitis, the permanent bases, Abu Ghraib, and so on, fuel the insurgency. I think issues such as those give the terrorists (who weren’t there before the war) and their propaganda machine credibility in the minds of ordinary Iraqis.
And that is dangerous.
“War profiteering is not a partisan issue (or at least it shouldn’t be). ” That’s the only nit I would pick in your great post, Matt O. If the war profiteers get the contracts thanks to campaign contributions to the party in power, of course it’s a partisan issue.
Yes, nice work Matt! Now, how long will it take me to read ALL the links? :)
The depth of the corruption with this bunch is staggering. Where to start…
Don’t forget our friends
NSAAT&T:http://blog.tomevslin.com/2006.....ping_.html
op99 #28
My point behind that line was in reference to the largely party-line vote, where it seems that Republicans are protecting war profiteers.
Also, I was referencing it as a campaign issue for 2006. War profiteering shouldn’t be a partisan issue (as in Republicans and Democrats should be joined together on this), but if need be, we should make it one.
Matt, I think this kind of boldfaced deceit and corruption is a post-modern phenomenom. When people spend $50 million dollars to become POTUS, you gotta ask, why? I’m sure there’s always been some sort of corruption at some level, but I think accountability and truly serving your country were proud hallmarks back in the day.
I long for a President who can inspire people to want to learn and to want to contribute to the public good. I’m sure it’s an ache that many people feel at the present moment.
Heads Up: Steven Colbert will be the host on a big DC weenie roast on CSpan coming right up imminently!
Thanks *ilson!
I’ll have to flip back and forth with the NFL Draft.
Update to #34
ESPN has a DraftCast so I can watch both at the same time. Sweet.
what did that putz say yesterday ?!? - bloggers should do more research and less pontificating ?!?!?
51, count ‘em 51 links in a single post - a hugely important and coherent post addressing an issue Non Blogging Americans will never have the opportunity to read and understand
Bravo, Matt O, Bravo !
the first celebrity entrant at the dinner shown was Helen Thomas ! Ms. Flame and her consort are expected too!
Wilson,
The C-SPAN dude just said Colbert wouldn’t be making his appearance until 10:25….bummer, I hope I can stay awake. Haven’t made a SNL in months.
excellent post Matt…
The first thing I want to know is who got all that Iraqi oil money that we were supposedly holding in trust for the Iraqi people.
Weenie Roast:
Plame/Wilson!
Damn! Valerie looks HOTT !! Hubba-hubba!
Thank you cbl.
Kurtz can book me for Reliable Sources starting now.
Greta van Sustern in a tuxedo-like attire accompanied by femmes? Is she a Friend of Dorothy and Mary Cheney?
*ilson46201
At YKos, I’m going to have to give “big ups” to Wilson.
Great work, Matt O.
Thank you!
Thanks Paul.
That’s a good question. I’d like to what happened to it as well…
Greta van Sustern in a tuxedo-like attire accompanied by femmes? Is she a Friend of Dorothy and Mary Cheney?
no, that big fat guy hovering in the background is her husband. i still can’t get over the fact that she’s a friggin scientologist.
luda!!
hope all those switching back and forth caught Matt Lienart in the promo = omg . . .
paul l. #39,
One thing I know for certain is who DID NOT receive the Iraqi oil money. The same people who, in this country, are being drowned in Grover Norquist’s bathtub.
Oligarchy, kleptocracy, fascism….take your pick.
and scientologists are not officially gay-friendly despite some memberships by barely-closeted ‘big stars’ …
kirk murphy #45
Thank you.
cbl #48
I just want to know who the Raiders get (Bay Area native here). Huff was a great pick. I like his versatility and he’s an impact player. Love the pick.
and scientologists are not officially gay-friendly despite some memberships by barely-closeted ‘big stars’ …
speaking of … did you see the latimes story a couple of months ago, accompanied by photos of tom cruise and the spooky dude who runs that cult. like they say … photos speak louder than words.
and Laura & consort have entered … BOOOOOOO SSSSSSSSSSS
Oh, people, please keep blogging the dinner. I don’t have cable! Keep us informed!
this seems appropriate music to link to this — loyalty day:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....28-10.html
Matt O. 31 Gotcha.
from riverbendblog August 28, 2003
As May was drawing to a close, his manager told him that someone from the CPA wanted the company to estimate the building costs of replacing the New Diyala Bridge on the South East end of Baghdad. He got his team together, … and came up with a number they tentatively put forward - $300,000.
…
A week later, the New Diyala Bridge contract was given to an American company. This particular company estimated the cost of rebuilding the bridge would be around- brace yourselves- $50,000,000 !!
Something you should know about Iraq: we have over 130,000 engineers. More than half of these engineers are structural engineers and architects. Thousands of them were trained outside of Iraq in Germany, Japan, America, Britain and other countries. Thousands of others worked with some of the foreign companies that built various bridges, buildings and highways in Iraq. …
So instead of bringing in thousands of foreign companies that are going to want billions of dollars, why aren’t the Iraqi engineers, electricians and laborers being taken advantage of? Thousands of people who have no work would love to be able to rebuild Iraq… no one is being given a chance.
*ilson
Valerie looks hot? Your gay. I don’t get the !! part.
meta 54, band sounds great.
the band just played “Nuestro Himno Nacional” no words sung though :-(
So long as we’re allowed to, I’ll blog the dinner. I got the NFL Draft in the corner of the computer screen.
Check C-Span online because you may be able to watch it there.
“Perhaps some members of Congress didn’t realize that supporting the troops entailed more than just sporting the standard U.S. flag lapel (or two), a yellow ribbon slapped on the back of their gas-guzzling SUV and using our forces as background fixtures to curry favor with the American people.”
Those are some of the most powerful words I’ve read in awhile. Good job.
Ghostman
Word to the wise:
eliminate your ARMs as soon as you can. The republican tool of inflation will be poking its ugly head above the surface soon. Reports of 4.5% GDP growth do not account for the fact that the rest of the world does not want to hold GM Stock…I mean US Dollars. The US Dollar is worth only $1.10 CANADIAN, down from $1.60CAN over the past two years. This is where inflation starts showing up in the global economy.
Once inflation becomes ackowledged, interest rates will increase, and so will our mortgages. All to pay for the war. IT IS VIETNAM ALL OVER…EVERY STEP OF THE WAY (except Rumsfled will never pull a McNamera.).
Scalia came to dinner!
but ann garrells (abc) and tony snow were belting out the lyrics, while all the other reporters held their hands over their hearrts.
colbert really seems to be digging the event; he’s sitting next to helen thomas at the dais.
scalia prowling the floor with an open bottle of corona …
this is the first time anybody here knowingly has seen Valerie move. all previous images have been still shots — I cannot recall any TV pics before. She does look good and gracious… that Swedishness shows through…
Such pomp and circumstance, is it safe to say that this is Washington D.C’s version of the Academy awards?
Wasn’t it the Correspondent’s dinner where Dubya pulled that loathsome routine where he was looking for the WMD all over the White House? God I hate that bastard.
MonkeyBoy — thanks for the Riverbend link.
OT to Jane or Christy.
Can we get a WHCA Dinner open thread?
I just thought it might be interesting for anyone watching on CSpan (whether tv or stream).
they do seem to have an awful lot of these big DC weenie roasts …
Colbert Nation representing at the dinner.
damn, if colbert isn’t scheduled until 1025, wtf do they do for the next 2 hours.
yeah, wasn’t it last year the dinner where Laura gave that tasteful horse-masturbation joke about her consort?
Nuttin’ happening at dinner for an hour. We don’t get to see spinach hanging off their teeth.
bkny,
apparently they replay last year’s Laura Bush version of “stealing the sahow”…oy!
Matt and Jane, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to change the subject. Apologies!
“show” that is..
jay — ick. i’ll tune back in later. i so detest that son of a bitch; and it’s compounded by watching those syncophantic stenographers laugh with delight at his jokes. i see nothing funny about him at all.
I went to c-span. How do stream the dinner. I’ve streamed it before.
http://www.c-span.org/watch/in.....mp;Code=CS
meta
This happens all the time. No problem. I don’t have cable and love the updates.
It’s like therapy or something.
Matt -
Let’s look at “merchants of misery” from another perspective. How many of them are able to operate profitably in peacetime? How many of them are even able to stay in business when silence replaces the din of war?
Now let’s shift our attention to political parties with a tenuous grip on the reins of government. Is it fear that those reins will fall into the hands of political opponents that encourages those in power to resort to undeclared wars, perhaps lasting indefinitely, as the only recourse they can find to stay in office?
Stephen Parrish
Then I wouldn’t be writing about war profiteering…
oddly enuff: Tony Snow is not wearing a tuxedo which seems to be de rigeur for every other male there…(and Greta too)
Matt O.- Just got here (FDL), and read your article. Haven’t had time to read the comments yet.
Man-o-man-o-Matt-O! This is an amazing article- geez- you have done such a great job of tying things together via the narrative, and integrating the links!!!! I am SO proud of you, and SO happy that you discovered FDL and FDL discovered you. Talent. Talent. Talent.
From Raw Story:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0429.html
Thanks *ilson forthe link.
Matt - awesome post and one we should circulate widely. The lack of outrage over these thefts continues to astonish me - while the troops scramble for adequate armor and the Iraqi people live without a basic infrastructure, the bush crime family friends grow richer by the second. Thank you for the research and links!
I thought post #3 allready gave us that link?
As I recall, the official excuse for no-bid contracts was the need for speed; the choice of recipients was based on their previous experience. Even then, I thought this was odd. Surely they had had ample time to plan for reconstruction, and surely there were plenty of multi-nationals with reconstruction experience.
As we know now, there was no post war planning. None at all. Or at least none that the Administration was prepared to accept. So maybe these total incompetents didn’t plan on giving conracts to their contributors. Maybe they thought Chalabi would take care of that for them.
And maybe it was just pique that closed the process to multi-nationals from “old Europe.” That’s what they got for opposing the invasion. I even recall some references to the spoils of war.
And maybe all that money isn’t missing. Maybe it’s just that, having failed to plan for occupation, they naturally failed to plan for elementary bookkeeping.
In short, the whole process was FUBAR, but it might have been because the process was handled by idiots.
I for one do not think we should pre-judge. We need a Truman Committee if only to determine whether the Administration is composed of fools or knaves.
Of course, given the record so far, the answer is likely to be “both.”
Pah, NFL draft. I’m watching Mets versus Braves in a squeaker.
cspan is showing footage of clinton’s Correspondence Dinner speech from 2000. Wow, I’m surprised at how sentimental I feel as I watch and yearn for an an actual leader. Yeah, i didn’t agree with Clinton on a bunch of stuff, but at least I could watch him without feeling like I want to smash the tv screen with a freakin baseball bat. Yeah, I’ve had two (2) glasses of wine, but I think the sentimentality would be there sans vino.
post 58:
“Valerie looks hot? Your gay. I don’t get the !! part.”
I’m not seeking to criticize any person or cause conflict, but I am concerned by some of the words above.
I hope I misunderstand, but the post seems to be disrespectful to people based on sexual orientation.
When I think of the fact that LGBT (lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgendered) teens are three times more likely to attempt suicide than are their peers, I am confident that our words really do have consequences.
Again, I hope that I simply mmisunderstand the use of the word “gay” in this context.
I still don’t understand the meaning of the Laura routine last year … there was a nasty undertone that I suspect says something about how she really feels - just as the weirdly nasty bits that the twins have said at times are disconcerting… not just that they are mindless little drunkards but that they really seem to destest their family - and the WH writers think it’s ok to express that.
Thank you V.G.
yeah…I feel sentimental about that Clinton clip — it just seems so honest and clean. Laura’s crack about Grandma Babs being like Don Corleone was harsh…
I’m a Kinsey 6.1 on the sexuality scale but I still find some genital females very attractive (but not that I’d necessarily want to have sex with them). Some of the allegedly straight men in here find George Clooney handsome too…
new thread
BarbaraB #90
Speed was the excuse. Ironic that things are moving so slowly there.
You know, I think of Laura as a Southern version of Carmela Soprano. Smart, savvy, enough decency, if she hadn’t got mixed up with the crime family to warrant some actual admiration. She knows how treacherous the inner circle is, but she’s in too deep.
I’d like to know how a woman that dedicated a career to books could marry such a dolt? Shallow, I suppose.
Pacha #91
Ehh, I am in Arizona and we don’t get A’s games unless they’re nationally televised. I keep up with baseball with my fantasy team.
When it comes to the Raiders, after all the close losses last year, I am itching for some good draft picks to help out next year.
*ilson46201 #97
I think Clooney is a good looking guy and I’m straight.
Matt - such a go