
I saw the Paul Bass article in the Hartford Courant yesterday and thought it was quite good. Bass understands and bears witness to something that many big megaphone media types who are busy buying into Hugh Hewitt's atavistic notions of a "fever swamp" do not: a sea change is at hand relative to the way Democratic candidates position themselves and shape their message on the internet. And Joe Lieberman, he argues, is caught behind the technological 8-ball:
A virus is dogging three-term incumbent U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman. One of its gestation spots is www.youtube.com, a web site where anyone can post a homemade video.
Go there and search for "Ned Lamont." He's the liberal Greenwich businessman staging a spirited challenge to Lieberman for the Democratic nomination.
Up spring a queue of videos posted by bloggers who love Lamont and despise Lieberman. There's Ned on WFSB-TV. Ned giving a speech in Southbury. Ned on "Beyond the Headlines." A montage of Ned photos and messages played to the tune of "Rock The Boat."
Now search for "Joe Lieberman." Up spring a queue of videos posted by bloggers who ... love Lamont and despise Lieberman. Joe on TV defending the war in Iraq. Joe equivocating on Bush's illegal wiretapping. A montage of Abu Ghraib torture and President Bush and Joe Lieberman photos played to the tune of "Masters of War." (The fade-out switches to Lamont and "All You Need Is Love.")
The bloggers who spend untold hours preparing these videos also post articles and comments and campaign information all over the Web attacking Lieberman and enlisting supporters for Lamont's campaign.
They don't report to Lamont headquarters in Meriden. They don't charge a cent.
No wonder Lieberman, who months ago seemed the safest of safe incumbents, has been uncharacteristically testy and stumbling lately, getting booed at the Jefferson Jackson Bailey dinner, getting into a bizarre confrontation with radio talk-show host Colin McEnroe over the evil of bloggers and The New York Times. (The transcript's at www.firedoglake.com (search: Lieberman).
The man who was so ahead of the political curve when he entered the Senate 18 years ago is now hopelessly behind it.
Over at MyDD, Chris Bowers has what I think is a very enlightened and thought-provoking piece on the far-reaching implications of all of this:
Since at least 1992, the easiest and most likely path to national prominence as a Democrat has been through public acts of Sista Soulja. For the past fifteen years (or more), in order for Democrats to gain favor within the national political narrative, it has been deemed necessary that they castigate and distance themselves from members of their own party in the same manner that Republicans would do so. This situation has proven is untenable for Democrats for two main reasons. First, in order to gain national prominence and a favorable position within the national political narrative, Republicans are never required to castigate anyone in their own party for extremism. Thus, the narrative always forces Democrats to look more divided (and hence, no one knows what they stand for). Second, while it may be to the benefit of individual Democrats to repeat Republican talking points about Democrats, it is entirely against the interests of the Democratic Party as a whole. Thus, Democrats have incentives to make their own party appear extreme, anti-religion, soft on defense, etc. This is how we ended up with a situation in the 1990's when a popular Democratic President presided over a nation where the electoral fortunes of the Democratic Party were in severe decline. When the Democratic Party leadership was repeating Republican complaints about Democrats, in Peter Daou's formulaiton, the conventional wisdom triangle closed against Democrats. One only wonders what could happen to the Democratic Party if Hillary Clinton is able to complete her plan of becoming our leader by Sista Souljaing every progressive in the country.
I won't pretend to be the one who originally observed that Hillary Clinton's call for a wall between the US and Mexico was an attempt to bait the leftier members of the party into a Sista Souljah moment, but I think it is quite probably accurate. And as Bowers notes, it is the kind of move that is ultimately extremely divisive -- it puts the interests of self above party and continues to degrade the Democratic brand, both alienating the base and causing people to scratch their heads and wonder what the Democrats stand for in one clean motion.
RJ Eskow had a similar observation in a very good post on the Hillary campaign the other day:
Hillary wants to be President. And she wants to do it by running to the right of the Republicans on national defense and other issues. Why? Because she clings to the naïve belief that her husband won because he was a centrist - when the fact is he won because he's a great politician. (If right-leaning Democrats are such a great idea, why wasn't Scoop Jackson ever President?)
And if Bill really is her chief advisor, then he's proving that, as great a campaigner as he was, he's equally lousy as a political consultant. (Remember his advice to Kerry - thankfully not taken - that Kerry endorse the anti-gay-marriage referendums being promoted in 2004?) Whoever's guiding Hillary these days is giving her advice that makes for poor politics and poor policy. In effect she's running against her own base while inflaming passions in a powder-keg situation.
There is a ground game going on with regard to the internet that the Lamont campaign has not orchestrated, but it has interacted with remarkably well. I've seen absolutely no evidence of any awareness on the part of any of the 2008 campaigns regarding this; they've done some tentative outreach but one imagines their consultants, major targets of our rancour, wave them off and consider us "tainted," "dangerous," "uncontrollable" and very much reflected in Hugh Hewitt's characterization of the "fever swamp."
And that's just fine. Once they wake up we'll still be here, but by that time the parade may have passed them by.
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Just on NBC Nightly News….
Mary McCarthy’s attorney tells NBC’s Andrea Mitchell that Mary categorically denies leaking classified information (presumably about the secret prisons to Dana Priest) and that she never even had access to it…
Most presidential candidates go toward the base until they secure the nomination- and then move back in the general election. (like McCain is trying to do).
Hillary seems to have it bassackwards. Apparently she thinks that she is unelectable as long as she is seen as a liberal by the moderate voters. Don’t know if she is right- but I think she has endangered her chances of getting the nomination- even if the polls show that she would win.
I am looking for a candidate who shows the ability to come up with genuine solutions to the problems we face- I don’t care if he/she comes from left, right, or center. I will NOT vote for someone who is doctrinaire- from either party- we have seen how dangerous that can be.
Sent this to thirdpartykos@yahoo.com (the way to contact Lamonts’ people) for their perusal.
I now proudly have the Lamont bumpersticker on my car.
http://lamont.laresistance.us
Lieberman has to go…and Hillary can go with him - I’m utterly sick of these self-serving faustians that represent nothing but themselves.
OT.
At multiple pollings in the low 30%.
Bush has officially entered into “The Weekend At Bernies Presidency”.
Cheney was just acting out what we already know, this adminstration is moribund.
-GSD
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I need help with Mozilla Firefox. I have lost my original page with all my bookmarks and themes after creating a ‘profile’ when prompted. If anyone knows how to help, please speak up. I’m desolate, I have so much stuff in the bookmarks that I use almost every day!!!
Thank you.
Pass it on…
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zennurse,
You might try “restoring” to a previous date again. You can always” “unrestore” it if it doesn’t work.
Fafblog had a great satirical skit featuring Hillary with other dems. Written in an interview style, instead of answering her questions, Hillary would bite the head off a small animal. It was the only funny thing faf ever did - just kidding. Maybe he’ll recycle it.
was an attempt to bait the leftier members of the party into a Sista Souljah moment, but I think it is quite probably accurate.
i’m not sure i agree with that. she’s proposed several boneheaded schemes to prove her bonafides to conservatives: video games; flag-burning legislation; build a texacali fence; her muddled, takeallsides on abortion (but really, really play down abortion).
it’s nothing more than cynical political calculations at work. i will not vote for her re-election (although she will win) and i sure as hell will not vote for her in 2008.
Newsweek is also reporting that McCarthy denies leaking classified info on secret prisons. Astoundingly, the same article says that anonymous CIA officials deny she was fired for any particular leak. Presumeably that includes about the secret prisons.
So we have McCarthy denying she leaked any secrets and the CIA saying she wasn’t fired for leaking any secrets.
[snip]
Isn’t it clear then that McCarthy is just being scapegoated and made into an example? And pointedly they are punishing her on vague charges, just to put the fear of
GodGoss, in everybody at the CIA.I have a sinking feeling that the McCarthy affair is going to create as much a ruckus as the Plame story and this is only beginning of the story. The back story is that the WH is out to destroy any vestige of accountability that comes from within the administration.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12...../newsweek/
Hi everyone, I just returned from 2 weeks in France and Belgium, suffered some severe FDL withdrawal symptoms, and US political news shortage in general. Here are some observations from watching about a cumulative 1 hour per day of TV news in English in Europe (BBC World and CNN International): in two weeks the only US political coverage was 1) Scott McClellan’s resignation 2) US generals agitating for Rummy’s resignation (a 2.5 day story) 3) Iran 4) Iraq and 5) the Falun Gong protester of Hu. On the positive side, there wasn’t one damn word about Natalie Holloway. I saw one teeny tiny mention of the Mary McCarthy leak story in The Worst Newspaper Ever (USA Today), nothing on TV. I was going crazy for details, I figured, man, Jane and Christy will be all over this one like flies on shit, and, sure enough … (BTW, is Christy on vacation (well-deserved) or what?)
Well, this sure is a fast evolving blog - looks like I’ve got about a one week backlog if I skip the comments. Looks like a lotta new bylines there.
I made a whole bunch of crazy predictions on the last thread, so here’s one for this one:
Hillary won’t be the nominee. She’s gonna go all Muskie and vanish in a puff of bad focus-group data. She’s Muskie. She’s Mo Udall. She’s the conventional wisdom that turns out to be wrong.
zennurse
I’d find out what the browser calls the ‘bookmark’ file, name and type (*.xxx) close the browser and search for files with that name. They may have been moved or renamed slightly. Also, manually open and search the browser’s directory/folder.
I hope you find what you’re looking for.
Kid on the porch with a box of puppies and Dubya rides by on his bike. “Hey kid what kind o puppies ya got there?”
Kid says, “Well sir, they’re republicans.”
W chuckles and says, “That’s fantastic, son.”
Next week Dubya walks by the kids house with the Dick in tow. He says, “Hey Dick, watch this.”
W says, “Tell Unka Dick what kind o puppies ya got in yer box there son.”
Kid says, “Yes sir, These puppies are democrats.”
W says, “Democrats! How’d that happen? last week they was repuplicans!”
Kid says, “Well sir, this week they have their eyes open.”
cleter,
Hillary is the conventional wisdom because Republicans love to frame her as the front runner so they can make fun of her.
She is their go-to Democrat joke candidate.
Whenever the conversation turns to the 2008 election, they throw her name out there and start cackling. Then the one-liners begin.
Anyone who tells you Hillary is the front runner is probably a Republican.
Whenever her name comes up, I say “Whatever. She is of no real interest to any Democrats I know. Feingold, Gore and Clark are my front runners because they are leaders who are willing to call our president to the carpet.”
OT - Don is getting sued. Bunch of mouthy 16 & 17 yos.
How do you swiftboat a 16 yo? *g*
http://tinyurl.com/grmop
The plaintiffs — all 16- and 17-year-old students from the New York area — were approached by military recruiters even after demanding that their information be stricken from the database, Lieberman said.
Say I’m a mom - some creepy guy is keeping a database on my minor child and approaching them to make propositions —
NOt to worry.
“There’s nothing sinister,” [David] Chu [under secretary of defense for personnel and readiness and also named in the suit] said when responding to criticism of the program last year.
Ahhh, Chu. (for punaise)
Hillary just doesn’t get it. If she had hewn to a traditional Democrat line as in “progressive”, she would have a lot more strength in the base. As it is she comes across as standing for not much else aside from support for the Republican war in Iraq. And whatever it is other than the war she stands for, I’m just not sure of. I still think Gore has it over Senator Dogette in spades. Senator Clinton has not much time left to correct course, and secure this Democrat’s vote in 2008. These elections in ‘06 and ‘08 are for the Democrats to lose. I’m disgusted with Hillary and most of the so called Democratic leadership.
On the old thread–I finally got an answer from shooter to my question of why we are torturing now, when we didn’t torture Nazis. The answer contains some bone-chilling fascism. Apparently, Nazis had a code of honor, and were not religious fanatics. So,it’s ok to torture religious fanatics who don’t wear uniforms. Presumably, then, he would be ok with torturing Eric Rudolph. Shooter did not address the other part of my question, which was, why do we need secret prisons anyhow?
zennurse
another thought is that they’re hiding in plain sight. Look carefully at ALL the bookmarks you have now. They may be in a folder you haven’t look at. Ever read EA Poe’s ‘The Purloined Letter’?
Like it or not, because she is a woman she is viewed as “weak” in certain areas. Doesn’t most if not all of this calculation stem from the fact that as the first significant woman contender she has a bit of prejudice to overcome?
Personally, I don’t like all the triangulation that seems to turn good people into politicians, but considering the trouble this country is in because of leaders who have truly black hearts, I’m willing to take a pass on bashing her for being coy to help get elected. I do believe she would have her heart in the right place, and would be savvy enough to reverse some of the damage we’ve witnessed.
As for Joe, no one man with a “d” after his name has caused more damage to this country over the past 10 years. He must go.
XYZ,
Bill Frist won the Tennessee straw poll a few weeks ago. He is the Republican front runner.
Dr. Frist, the ethically challenged frontrunner.
-GSD
More evidence that Hillary is the favorite Republican joke/villain candidate:
Dick Morris wrote a whole freaking book about her running against Condi.
My point is, don’t try to reason with people who call Hillary the front runner. They generally have an axe to grind of some type. They want to talk about her and Bill and the BJ and feminism and whether she is “brittle”.
They aren’t interested in talking about the real candidates or the real issues that we discuss here at FDL on a daily basis.
Cozumel. could you remind me how to do the restore? I think we’ve been down this road together before, a couple of months ago.
Thanks
Cleter are more patient than me, I wrote an F-you reply after the snark about Democrats and terrorists….but deleted it. It is like debating a baked ham.
But there is no reasoning with the unreasonable.
-GSD
Cleter - if you can’t polka, you’ll never understand the right.
Polka, plaid pants and wingtips. No wonder they want to torture someone.
Blank, I have nothing in my bookmarks, it’s like I have just downloaded Firefox for the first time. My toolbar was loaded on the real one, now it looks so……naked. No Stumble, no toolbar folder sites, nothing.
Zen,
http://www.microsoft.com/windo.....store.mspx
http://smh.com.au/news/opinion.....ntentSwap2
OT great editorial calling this the “trash presidency.”
I saw that Chris Matthews show on Sunday, and it was surreal. It was as if the episode was from Sept 2008, and had fallen through a time vortex. They talked as if Hillary was the nominee already. It was quite bizarre.
I still think she’ll be the candidate with plenty of money early on, who still flames out. Think Phil Gramm in ‘96. He had the most money going into Iowa, and it was a humiliating disaster for him.
GSD,
Agreed, Democrats can use the same approach and ask Republicans about their leading candidate, Bill Frist, Mr. Blind Trust and long-distance Terri Schiavo diagonoser?
But the beauty of the Republican approach is that they have picked Hillary as the front runner without having any real evidence that she is anything close to being at the head of the class of Democratic nominees.
So when they talk about Hillary being the front runner - you can respond by asking whether they think that Rick Santorum will be the Republican candidate.
When they say no, ask why?
Is it because he is so aligned with Bush and the Christian Right? Is it because the whole Republican Party is the Party of Bill Dobbs and Jerry Falwell?
This is how the game is played.
Either you’re with the baked ham or with the tairists.
Ran a Clusty on shooter, we need to let go. Nothing awful, but he’s a troll and you know the policy. It only takes one to hijack the thread.
I ham what I ham.
Chicago Sun Times is reporting that Dems in the Dem controlled IL state legislature have introduced legislation calling for IL to transmit impeachment charges to Congress.
http://www.suntimes.com/output.....ach24.html
I think VT is considering similar legislation. This could get pretty funny if a half dozen state legislatures impeach Bush.
If states are so angry that they are impeaching the preznit under an obscure parliamentary rule never before exercised in the history of Republic and intended to protect the states from tyranny at the center, when will congressional dems get a clue?
zennurse — I think that is the general consensus. Community decides.
Either the transcript of the president’s talk to a group of business people in CA got mangled, or he actually said the following:
No, Mr. President, it’s not easy work. But as you have demonstrated, it is a lot easier to go from a democracy to tyranny. In five short years.
http://www.editorandpublisher......1002385210
I would also like to express my support for ham.
Bill Dobbs? Lou Dobbs? James Dobson? I don’t think I’m familiar with Bill Dobbs. Is he a wingnut-someone I’ve missed?
A Ham with a Yam.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/holi.....ving/2005/
-GSD
James Sponge-Bob Dobson.
-GSD
Well, interesting. I think Ms. Hamsher is on to something about the importance of blogs, and the internet in general. Here’s my take: blogs can educate someone about an issue, the issue becomes more than a poll number. That doesn’t mean that you have to agree with the “consensus” of a blog’s thoughts on something, but at least a blog will give you texture.
If I were a politician, I’d get my poll data on say….gay marriage. It’d tell me….35% think this way, 50% think that way, etc. But if I read a blog on the issue, the numbers turn into texture and meat. I see WHY people think this way or that…what the key issues “within the issue” are. A politician could learn alot from reading a blog on some issue.
And, using the internet to generate some pizzazz in your favor can be VERY effective, and its damn near free!
One last thing:
What in the HELL is a Sista Soulja moment? And who in the HELL is sista soulja???
Ghostman
All right Zen, but I was having such a polka party. :(
More OT - the Pew polling showed what I’ve been pushing here a bit; even though he has laid pretty low, Edwards polls better than Hilary or any other Dem right now, and doesn’t do awful with Republicans and Indies.
I actually like a lot of things about Hilary, but I’d go 3rd party unless she ends up running against Cheney. So, Tweety, that bastion of “everyone loves GWB except a few nutbars” political wisdom is calling it for Hilary? Uh, what eggsactly does that tell us [insert a Morningstar “past performance is no guarantee . . .” disclaimer]
Jane,
Welcome back. Taylor did a nice job in your absence.
-GSD
Hillary’s just putting on an act for the rubes. We forget here, just how god awful stupid many people are. I’d vote for Hillary in a New York minute.
Ghostman
Sista Souljah was a musician who made a remark about killing whites or somesuch. Instead of black people killing each other they should kill white people–I think she may have been commenting on rap lyrics or something. Clinton criticized her for it in the 92 campaign. It supposedly made him look tough or independent or something.
Hillary’s just putting on an act for the rubes.
But,but,but,She’so aaaaaaangry!
lol.
zennurse, you might want to use this for next time. ;)
http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/
47: ok, thanks. I’m sort of a non-rap kinda guy. chuckle.
Ghostman
O/T Mary McCarthy - is she following our Mary and looseheadprop’s lead - if it’s illegal, it’s not classified and therefore if she is the leaker, she didn’t leak “classified” info ??
and did they go heavy on the polygraph as a means of avoiding prosecuting her ?
curiouser and curiouser -
cleter,
I hope your correct in your prediction. I just feel Hillary will be a bad idea as President.
Let me share a conversation I overheard from two Rush ditoheads today.
They were saying that all the generals coming out were from Clinton’s time in office (Ok these are the guys I want to sell that bridge I have been trying to get rid of in Brooklyn!) and that BushCo’s poll numbers were low because of his people. (As if he reads anything before he signs it!) They also were laughing hopefully that Hillary would be our nominee. (Who can know what these GOP blinded freaks find funny…)
These dip-shits are the 32% that still think BushCo is the doing a good job.
“Pink and pudgy, he looks like one of Disney’s three little pigs, although infinitely more smug.”
great line describing Rove from Margot’s find.
And Jane, I didn’t mean blog policy, I guess I used the wrong word, I meant more like “community norm”.
Thanks, Jane! I also wrote a piece three weeks ago about Hillary called “Running Against the Base” that began with the words “We’re all Sistah Souljah now.”
Obviously a meme whose time has come!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....18374.html
thanks for the help, I have been restored.
What a relief!
I liked what Eskow had to say about Hillary but disagree about Bill. He did not win in ‘92 because he was a great candidate. He won because of Ross Perot. In ‘96 he won because the Repugs put a living cadaver up against him. The Clintons do not represent the historical Democrat party: they represent themselves only. Witness the negative aid they gave Gore in 2000 and almost non-existant aid to Kerry in ‘04. I am non-affiliated but would like to vote Democrat, a.k.a. progressive, but they will have to put up someone like Gore or Howard Dean to get my vote. Otherwise, it will be Green Party for me.
Nix.
Dittohead logic:
The Generals joined the military in 1992. Quickly became Clinton Generals and promptly left in 2000.
With that logic if someone joined when Reagan was in office and became a General under Clinton, does that make them a Reagan General or a Clinton General?
Great logic.
-GSD
Sister Souljiah was a Black singer who put out an anti-killing song that contained a line addressed to young Black men, asking why are they so busy killing other young Black men instead of killing whites. The racist wingers (did I repeat myself?) seized on that line — making it seem she was actually advocating killing white folk. Bill Clinton as a candidate also jumped on that bullshit bandwagon to prove he wasn’t “too Black” (wink, wink from a white boy from the South). Disgusting!
Later that summer, I met Sister Souljiah and got an autographed photo for my office door…way cool for a punkazz whiteboi like me!
“thanks for the help, I have been restored.”
Cool ; )
Nix 52
Generals from Clinton’s time? What does that mean? Did he brainwash them? Let’s say you were in the Army 30 years, retiring as a general in 2000. That would mean you were in the army under 4 republican presidents and two democrats–12 Democrat years, to 18 Republican years. They are as much from Reagan’s time or Bush 1.0’s time as Clinton’s. That’s just dumb.
#13 - op99
Welcome back op99. My computer was down for 5 days and when I came back Jane was in San Diego and Christy wasn’t posting and I don’t know why.
Can anyone enlighten me as to why Christy isn’t posting? If not, I guess I’ll be reading through 5 days worth of posts to see if it’s in there.
Hillary will never get the nomination. Picture the whole slew of candidates in those cattle call debates they have during primary season. Now imagine all the candidates who voted yes on the Iraq debacle explaining their positions. Then imagine who primary voters will choose in the voting booth.
Case closed.
Sorry, Tweety. It ain’t happening for Hil.
14 Cleter
I knew Mo Udall.
Mo Udall was a family friend and my congressman.
He ran an honorable campaign talking about what he (really) believed, came in second in a bunch of primaries to Carter, and was, as the title of his book suggested, Too Funny To Be President.
She’s no Mo Udall.
Glad to see people are waking up to the self-serving opportunist that is Hillary Clinton. Maybe she, like Lieberman, should consider running as a Republican.
I’m so glad there’s increasing support and patter about lieberman and ned now, and that the progressive community is moving ned into the public consciousness in a big way. By doing it there naturally follows a clear look and what a disaster lieberman has become for the Dems and how his DINO status is a huge liability.
I just can’t warm up to hil at all. She is such a politician with a capital P. I’d be interested to know how our NY contingent feel about her in terms of her state work and results. I actually liked her better when Bill was President; I respected her active role and her obvious humanity at the time. Now, I feel she says what she says only after all the info has been sorted and evaluated. I never get the feeling she is speaking from her heart.
RE Hilary and Wall:
CA GOP governor who understand how to get elected does not want a wall -at least does not want a wall you can see. Wants a soft wall. Arnold understands how walls can backfire. Also Yahoo news item that even President Bush understands you can’t deport all the undocumenteds. So Dems can run right of Bush and still bash House Gop immigration bill. Who wudda thunk?
Schwarzenegger Blasts Idea of Border Wall By MICHAEL R. BLOOD, Associated Press Writer
Mon Apr 24, 1:17 AM ET
LOS ANGELES - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Sunday said that building a 700-mile wall along the Mexican border to deter illegal immigration would amount to “going back to the Stone Ages,” and instead urged the use of high-tech gear and more patrols to secure the nation’s southern boundary.
“We are landing men on the moon and in outer space using all these great things. I think that other technology really can secure the borders,” the Republican governor said in an interview on ABC’s “This Week.”
“If I say now, ‘Yes, let’s build the wall,’ what would prevent you from building a tunnel? I mean, we’ve detected tunnels left and right that people can drive trucks through,” he added.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....mmigration
de-lurking to say, it’s about time that shooter shmuck got the boot, it’s been spewing rightwing ignorance around here for a while and in typical wingnut fashion….the truth will not penetrate the thickness of its skull.
GSD, are you on-board with Pach’s Roots project? angie, you’re from NH too (I think), are you involved?
Senator H. Clinton, meet “Stone Ages” (and that does not mean Gubernator Arnold, apparently)
Jay,
I haven’t signed on. How?
-GSD
Olbermann was joking that Bush is on ice with a Farenheit of 32 degrees.
Susan 63
I meant no disrespect to Mo Udall. He was a fine person. I merely meant that he was widely expected to be the nominee for 76, and Carter was sort of a surprise sleeper candidate. I merely meant she was like Mo in the sense that this is like 76.
Keith O, while talking about the Preznit’s ratings, said it is approaching Jefferson Davis levels !
Honorary Neo-Con Joe Lieberman
Susan,
Moe Udall story from NH. He approaches a group chuckling men in a coffee shop and says “I’m Moe Udall, I’m running for President.”
One of the men responds: “We know, we were just laughing about it.”
-GSD
Jay– I did not think there was a roots project for NH. wow. And I really try to pay attention, too.
orangejumpsuite 38 -
The Articles of Confederation wasn’t exactly a real smooth start for our government to begin.
It gets more and more clear. Someone forgot to tell him we moved on to a Constitution, complete with a Bill of Rights.
No wonder he’s so confused about the 4th Amendment.
GSD, go back a ways to Pach’s post with the Muhammad Ali photo, and he lists the email address to sign up. I’m game to make the trip up to Concord if we can organize it.
shooter? boot? Shooter posted a few nice links that contradicted his own talking points. Seriously -the one on Scott Ritter. I’m glad I read that for the next time some wingnut accuses Ritter of being brainwashed or on the take. Shooter debunked his own thesis with his own link, but I couldn’t make Shooter see that. This Shooter doesn’t think like me at all, but I don’t want him booted. I think I’ve hijacked a few threads as much as he has. And then there the WTC *ins*d* j*b c*nsp*r*c* posters…
lol
Cleter 70 Thanks.
Carter was no saint when it came to campaigning. I ended up despising him, and voting for Anderson after spending four months on Mo’s field campaign.
Mo was such a wonderful man. He wasn’t the gifted politician that Bill C. is, but he was brilliant, genuine, and I loved him.
not sure if this campaign has been sent around yet but Color of Change (http://www.colorofchange.org ) is asking for help and all you have to do is sign on to an online letter campaign. Color of Change is an organization founded by Van Jones and friends for black americans and their allies in the wake of Katrina and they have been putting the pressure on for Censure and other causes we are working on - this would be a good time to return the favor by helping on this:
http://www.colorofchange.org/darfur
Since 2003, as many as 400,000 Black Africans have been killed and over 2 million have been driven from their homes, in what the UN has called the biggest humanitarian crisis in modern history. It’s genocide, plain and simple, but no one is doing what’s necessary to stop it. It’s time for Black Americans and our allies to take a stand against the genocide in Darfur.
Our voices should be among the loudest calling for an end to the mass murder of Black Africans, and, as citizens of the most powerful country in the world, we have a very real ability to make a difference. Speaking of the genocide in Rwanda, the late Senator Paul Simon said, “If every member of the House and Senate had received 100 letters from people back home saying we have to do something about Rwanda, when the crisis was first developing, then I think the response would have been different.” Those voices, coming from every corner of America, would have echoed in our leaders’ ears. Congress and, more importantly, the President would have been forced to act. It’s a tragedy that there were not 100 people in each district to speak up for the Rwandans who were being slaughtered in 1994. We can’t let a similar tragedy unfold today.
Let’s take advantage of the opportunity that we have: let’s get 100 people in each of the 435 districts in America to demand that our government stop dragging its feet and take decisive action to stop this genocide:
http://www.colorofchange.org/darfur
This week, the time is right to make our voices heard. Tens of thousands of people will march in Washington, on Sunday, April 30th, to demand that President Bush take the steps necessary to end the genocide and build a lasting peace. National media will be focused on the horrors of this genocide in a way they haven’t been since it began.
Now is the time to speak up. When we say enough is enough, it changes the political calculus, and it can force them to act. Let’s demand that our government take action which sends a powerful message to the international community, the government of Sudan, and, most importantly, to the people of Darfur: we will do everything in our power to end the genocide immediately and to establish long-lasting peace and justice for the region.
http://www.colorofchange.org/darfur
Thanks.
LisaDawn82 says:
April 24th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
Christy has been on vacation and will be returning tomorrow (?) or Wednesday.
GSD
I heard that exact same joke, from a New Hampshirite, only about Clinton.
New Hampshirian? New Hampshiroid? Help me out here.
I’m sure others here have already commented on the preznit’s foreign policy speech today in Cali, but I coudn’t resist repeating these awesomely profound lines:
“I base a lot of my foreign policy decisions on some things that I think are true,” he said. “One, I believe there’s an Almighty.”
In other words, God made me invade Iraq. I’m glad we know who to blame now.
The problem I see with Hillary Clinton is the same problem that seems to always crop up when Beltway politicians run for president… there’s always this sense of “You should vote for me because it’s My Turn.”
It’s not just a Democratic thing either. Bob Dole’s ‘96 presidential run just reeked of this syndrome.
angie,
If I’m not mistaken, the roots project is meant to engage folks from anywhere and everywhere. I know the Granite St. Senators are likely a lost cause…but let’s give em an earful anyway. Make em sweat a bit, force them to acknowledge the fact that they work for us!
Oh, Lord, Susan in Iowa. I hope you learned your lesson in that election, and didn’t vote for Nader later. Anderson was such a loser.
Mary #75 and orangejumpsuit #38: GW said that about Articles of Confederation? I must have had a bad history class about that part of US history. I missed the part about the foreign invasion that deposed the dictator and tried to set up a puppet continental government. And I missed the part all the hundreds of people tortued and killed all along the Eastern seabord every month in the 1780s in murky political violence. And all the money stolen and sent over seas. Yep, I better hit the books on that Articles of Confederation.
Hi lakedogz. Catching up & still reeling from Jane’s torture post and photo. Oh, and per Digby, guess what? We’re not only murderers and torturers in Iraq, we’re freakin slavers. @#$%^&*#@!!!!!!
cleter– we are now New Hamshers of the Left– at least in this house. ;) We asked every realtor we met when we moved here and nobody really knew what natives of the state are called…
I’m game Jay!
Cleter. I am pretty sure it originated with Udall. The rightwing recycled everything and threw it at The Clenis.
Actually, I think Bass is going to get voted out. I also think that John Sunnunu is someone who can be reasoned with.
Jugg Headd is a lost cause.
-GSD
I gotta scram, but lets try something soon.
cleter,
Not really sure what to call NH dwellers since I’m relatively new to NH, but you could do worse than Granite Stater.
GSD 73
He told that story on himself, too. He also identified the only cure for presidential ambition: embalming fluid. If you ever see his book in a second-hand store, it is full of gems like that.
Not to hijack a thread with the wayback machine…
What Jane says is right on. I’m trying to help the newbie doctor/politician who’s running against Tom Latham in IA 4. I keep communicating about the importance of blogs, Crashing the Gate, using the internet as part of the ground game. His name is Selden Spencer.
Jane– I’ve been out all day and just had a chance to read your last post, which you ended by saying, “…the biggest challenge facing Democrats right now is they are perceived as standing for nothing.”
I couldn’t agree more and said so in an earlier thread, which I’ve reposted here with quirky punctuation because I can’t seem to indent:
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A couple of people have mentioned the dearth of Democratic leadership. But the truth is, we have the leaders. Kerry spoke at Faneuil Hall in Boston just last week. Murtha did an interview with a Pittsburg paper. Harry Reid made a statement. Howard Dean’s appeared on television, etc. etc. But it’s too fragmented to get the nation’s attention.
What I’d like to see is for all of them to get together and call a press conference. Let the country see a group of straight-talking, articulate Democrats actually take a stand for the truth. Demand that the White House tell the American people the truth about why we went to war in Iraq and demand that the Senate Intelligence Committee complete phase II of its investigation as promised two yerars ago.
They need to say it over and over: “The Democratic Party stands for telling the American people the truth. They deserve the truth and they’re not getting it.â€
I think the collective voices of Murtha, Kerry, Reid, Kennedy, Feingold, plus Patrick Murphy and some of the other DemVets, maybe Wesley Clark, would be very powerful. And, given last night’s story on CBS and the number of US casualties in Iraq this month alone (I think it’s 61 as of today), plus Bubble Boy’s I’m-the-Decider-moment last week, now’s the time to do it.
Make it a rebuttal to the Republican’s pathetic 5-point campaign strategy: “Make Wall Street happy?†How about telling the American people the truth?â€
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The more I thought about it today, I thought why not? George Bush was re-elected in 2004 because the Republican party “owned” national security as an issue. The Democrats need to own telling the truth. Take a stand for truth and build a platform from there.
New Hampshirites.
New Hamsherites.
-GSD
Well, Anderson was a “loser” in the sense that he lost, but he wasn’t a bad person. He actually kind of opposed the fascist theocracy that the GOP has become. He was a kind of moderate Republican that no longer exists.
he won because he’s a great politician
That’s only half of it. He was also a great policymaker, and a good governor. He had missteps in the first two years, but after that, the only thing that got in his way were Republicans doing all they could to put up obstacles to his governing the country.
I have absolutely no faith that Hillary shares these qualities. The trouble is that people who do not have Bill Clinton’s ability to identify where the nation is on an issue (”safe, legal, rare” is one example) and respond to it, and do not have his ability to move the nation toward a position that’s in the interest of the country (the Mexican bailout) think that all they have to do to replicate his strategy is suck up to corporate interests. They don’t understand, at all. They’re looking for a formula, and there is no formula.
Reagan taking the walk in the woods. Johnson writing off the south for a generation in order to make black Americans full-fledged citizens. Kennedy rejecting the advice of Curtis Lemay and the majority of his advisers. Nixon going to China. Bush breaking his read my lips promise. That’s what leaders do.
Clinton was a leader. Most of our presidents in the 20th century, whether you agreed with them or not, were leaders. I look out across the potential candidates, and I see Feingold, and not anybody else, on either side of the aisle. Dean’s leadership qualities were so frightening to the establishment that his own party took him down, with a knife in the back.
For better or for worse, the netroots are the backbone of American principles right now. It’s an awful thing to have to say, but leadership is going to have to come from ordinary citizens who believe in American ideals and insist on their preservation.
Granite Stater is also appropriate.
Please feel free to pepper me with questions, not shotgun shot, about NH.
I have 40 years of useless information.
-GSD
Night all.
Caught the meaty part of Olberman- (I only watch the first twenty minutes). Good coverage of Clusterfuck’s 32% approval rating- and mention of Cheney’s 28.
This stuff is important for goopers. Many of them are “follow the leader” types. If they think that the whole country has blown Clusterfuck off- they will want to be with the “in” group. It starts to get VERY difficult for Clusterfuck to get out of the hole he’s dug for himself. He has two choices that I can see-
1) He does a makeover- gets rid of Ticky Dicky and Uncle RumDum- and says “Look at me- I’m a new man.
2) He stands pat and waits for a pitch that he can hit out of the park. In Clusterfuck’s case- that means that he’ll arrange for someone to float a fat one for him- he can’t hit major league pitching.
He’ll go for option two. So what’s the pitch?
Lisa Williamson aka “Sista Soulja”, Rutgers Class of 1986 — Rapper, Executive director of Sean “PDiddy” Combs’ “Daddy’s House” non-profit children’s organization, one of the founders of the 1999 Million Women March in Philadelphia
Third Party Politics is for later. Unfortunately, we aren’t there yet. The third man is a spoiler. Its a dem (even if its repug lite - bad) or more Bushco, Churchy plus State, Inc. (even more unabashed evil).
wesgpc - this may be how you missed it.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne.....-headlines
We Americans came not from a revolution but from an evolution.
That is in large part why our so-called revolution produced success while most throughout history did not. We came as much from the Magna Carta as from our own doings, as much from British common law and parliamentary development as from the Declaration of Independence and Continental Congress.
. . .
As Alexis de Tocqueville once said: “America is great because she is good. If America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”
In January 2001, with the inauguration of George W. Bush as president, America set on a path to cease being good; America became a revolutionary nation, a radical republic. If our country continues on this path, it will cease to be great - as happened to all great powers before it, without exception.
Props to Wilkerson.
To arms…
Sola Mia 85
It was Anderson or not at all that year. It was personal. I still don’t like Carter, good works and all. Nader; I don’t think so.
If american votes for Hillary- they’ll be getting Bill- this will soon become clear (”soon” meaning after the November elections.) We saw the preview at the King funeral. Bill doin the hard work and Hillary smiling and delivering in a cameo role. Make no mistake- Bill Clinton is runnin for president.
zennurse
glad you got ‘restored’
susan/iowa
I voted for your man is MA primary if that makes you feel any better. I agree. Intellect and personality.
(now, reading to catch up…)
Hillary’s candidacy gives the goopers the cold sweats- cause they’ve NEVER beaten Bill Clinton- NEVER- and he’s running again.