
(Tonight's guest blogger is Kevin K. from Catch.com)
From Matt Taibbi's "Bush Like Me" (Rolling Stone, 10/04):
The problem not only with fundamentalist Christians but with Republicans in general is not that they act on blind faith, without thinking. The problem is that they are incorrigible doubters with an insatiable appetite for Evidence. What they get off on is not Believing, but in having their beliefs tested. That's why their conversations and their media are so completely dominated by implacable bogeymen: marrying gays, liberals, the ACLU, Sean Penn, Europeans and so on. Their faith both in God and in their political convictions is too weak to survive without an unceasing string of real and imaginary confrontations with those people -- and for those confrontations, they are constantly assembling evidence and facts to make their case.
But here's the twist. They are not looking for facts with which to defeat opponents. They are looking for facts that ensure them an ever-expanding roster of opponents. They can be correct facts, incorrect facts, irrelevant facts, it doesn't matter. The point is not to win the argument, the point is to make sure the argument never stops. Permanent war isn't a policy imposed from above; it's an emotional imperative that rises from the bottom. In a way, it actually helps if the fact is dubious or untrue (like the Swift-boat business), because that guarantees an argument. You're arguing the particulars, where you're right, while they're arguing the underlying generalities, where they are.
Once you grasp this fact, you're a long way to understanding what the Hannitys and Limbaughs figured out long ago: These people will swallow anything you feed them, so long as it leaves them with a demon to wrestle with in their dreams.
Now that I've been out of my blogging gig for a while, my anger wheel has been jolted far to the left and when I reread that extraordinarily perceptive passage by Taibbi, I actually felt kind of sorry for the subjects. They're scared is all. They're scared of a lot of things because they need to be scared of a lot of things. They lack purpose without things relentlessly scaring the shit out of them. And in order to distract the media from the fact that they're more juiced up on fear than love for their country, they constantly try to frame liberals—who in their minds still wear patchouli, listen to Jefferson Airplane and love the fuck out of Jane Fonda—of being the cowards because, um, we're "anti-war" (what fucked up times we live in where being "anti-war" is a "bad thing") and we aren't 100% freaked out that gay people, Mexicans, Arabs and the Dixie Chicks are roaming free in our streets.
You see, in reality, us "cowardly" liberals aren't afraid of much of anything. Disgusted, sure. We're plenty disgusted with a lot of things going on in America and the world today, and rightfully so, but our repulsion isn't fueled by fear. It's fueled by hope for better days in America, a concept so antithetical to the rightists' junked-out need for a constant influx of "bogeymen" (they've been trained well) that they aren't able to process the notion that we don't hate our country, we just take great, full-throated exception to how it's being run by them. Or, more to the point, run into the ground by them.
I didn't really follow the explosion of bedwetting blogs post-9/11 because I was too busy languishing in my pre-9/11 NYC liberal mindset, but apparently the blogosphere was flush with dorks in crouched-down, defensive positions who pecked away at something they called "warblogs." These, ahem, "warbloggers" (must … stop … tittering) thought they were at war and no amount of fear of Blogger's registration process and/or HTML interface was going to get in their way to fight the good fight. They were G.I. Jonesin' for some seriously manly cutting 'n' pasting as they bravely stormed the frontlines of HyperText Transfer Protocol. And some of them, primarily "9/11 Republicans" and alleged libertarians, were so addicted to the notion that "everything changed after 9/11" that they discarded large, important chunks of their belief systems because they figured the "everything changed" doctrine applied to their very beings as well. A few of them have circled back to reality and well-earned rounds of raspberries, but a substantial number still cling to what are becoming increasingly razor-thin threads of dignity, and generally when you take it that far, you never come back because, let's face it, it's really, really embarrassing to do so. The Roger L. Simons and Charles Johnsons of today are the ex-lefty David Horowitzes and Michael Savages of tomorrow, except, as Pantload Media has proved, we don't ever have to worry about Rog and Chucky being anywhere near as popular, successful or influential. Or handsome.
It's been funny watching nutter bloggers cheer on Iraqis for standing up to terrorists when it's quite evident that guys like John Hinderaker and Hugh Hewitt clearly wouldn't have the balls to do the same in a similar situation. If you put Hinderaker in a scenario where white supremacists had taken over his perfectly-named hometown of Apple Valley, Minnesota and were setting up IEDs around town and blowing up shit at random, a teary-eyed John would be the first one out of his house waving a white dress shirt and bellowing in desperation, "I'm on your team!" before collapsing on his well-manicured lawn in a puddle of urine. Hewitt, for cripes sake, has to be heavily sedated and diapered before he enters the Empire State Building, which he seems to believe is a bullet-strewn frontline in the war on terror (like Sadr City, but taller!), with its spine-tingling Skyride and elevators stuffed with fanny-packed tourists in ESPN Zone t-shirts. I mean, for all of the chest-thumping-and-puffery these proud patriots do you can't help but notice through their squeals of store-bought muscular bravado that a majority of them are pinched-up, picked-last-in-dodgeball mega-dweebs. We're talking central casting material for the remake of Revenge of the Nerds, except in this version they just read Drudge and Instapundit all day and curl into a ball every time they get within 20 yards of an Arab or one of the Satellite Sisters.
Many years after their hero Chief Clearing Brush valiantly soldiered on reading The Pet Goat after finding out that our country was under attack (has a president ever acted more courageously with a pop-up book in his lap?), the fear is still deeply palpable in the nuttersphere (note to Pamela at Atlas Shrieks: if you post pictures of nuclear explosions more than 73 times on your blog, it's a clear indication that you should start shopping around for a new shrink) and its occupants are tragically becoming increasingly unglued as Dear Leader's numbers slip and the much-bungled War in Error has finally morphed into a very sore spot for a way-large swath of Americans. The fear factor hasn't just been ratcheted up lately due to a fear of the United States' capture by illegal Mexican dishwashers or Iran's miraculous plug-and-play nuclear arsenal, but also because of the bedwetters maddening (and mostly unacknowledged) concern that a majority of their fellow countrymen aren't at all pleased with how the ruling party has been running things of late. Rather than learning valuable and long-coming lessons from their multitude of mistakes, they've decided to screw the fear in deeper and layer even more bat shit onto their crazy.
Witness these responses, found during a random blog search, to a post on Ace of Spades regarding Seymour Hersh's New Yorker article about U.S. plans to nuke Iran:
YES, YES, YES!! I hope this is true. Except, we need to go a lot further. It's not enough to just hit the nuclear sites, we need to take out Iran's missiles, terror bases, revolutionary guards units, etc. We need to hit Iran so hard they will not be able to use chemical or biological weapons against us. I hope we glassify those SOB's.
"YES, YES, YES!! I hope this is true." Huh? Shouldn't that kind of outburst be reserved for Christmas Eve when Daddy hints that Santa might be parachuting a pony into the backyard in the middle of the night? It's hardly a proper antecedent to a call to "glassify" Iran. And if you think that giddy lunacy is bad, check out this comment from an Ace of Spades regular:
We don't need no stinkin' nukes. Just bomb everything, and by everything, and by everything I mean EVRY-FUCKING-THING. Bomb thier nuke sites, military bases, power plants, gov't buildings, factories, hospitals, schools, Taco Bells, mosques, madrassas, graveyards, etc...Rubble don't make trouble.
This meathead's so hell-bent on genocide and destruction that not only does he want to blow up schools (which last time I checked tend to be full of children) and Iran's thriving Taco Bell franchises, but he also wants us to bomb dead people. Now that right there is a special kind of full-blown crazy you will never, ever see on lefty blogs. And what's nearly as shocking is that no righties, even some semi-reasonable ones, seem to flinch when they read increasingly homicidal shit like that from their pee-stained brethren. If someone on IndyMedia dares compare Bush to Hitler using a convenient JPG format, howls are heard all over the rightwing's "Hitlery"-drenched landscape, but insanely masturbatory fantasies about blowing innocent people to smithereens and nuking Mecca are now so commonplace in the nuttersphere that they've become part of its fabric. "THEY WANT TO KILL US ALL!" has been the frequent wide-eyed yelp of these terrified simpletons who prefer their pants tailored for that scaredy look, but now that the whole democracy-at-the-barrel-of-a-gun thing isn't going quite as planned in the Middle East thanks to rampant neoconjob buffoonery, some of them have come to the totally irrational conclusion that we should just lay waste to "EVRY-FUCKING-THING." They've tried valiantly to hide their pervasive anti-Arab bigotry behind large posters of Purple Fingers of Freedom, but now that those are getting dog-eared and trite, it's full steam ahead into Off the Rails Junction.
As much as the Arab/Muslim hatred is shocking and Tourette's-like (in a post about Fashion Week on Little Green Footballs, for instance, a regular blurted out, "The only good Muslim is a dead one"), it's their rabid fear and loathing of their fellow countrymen who don't agree with them about everything that really cuts to the chase in exposing their bigotry. Case in point: Marla Ruzicka, the founder of the Campaign for Innocent Victims in Conflict who was tragically killed last year at the age of 28 by a car bomb in Baghdad. She cared deeply about the people of Afghanistan and Iraq (read: hearts and minds) and by all accounts (you can read about her here, here and here) she was considered to be an angel by nearly everyone she encountered. In fact, according to Newsweek's Baghdad bureau chief, "Marla was alienated from much of the human rights community because she chose to work with the military instead of always against it." But that wasn't good enough for Johnson's "Lizardoid Minions" at LGF. Hell, no. She was a moonbat "anti-war activist" and got what she deserved. Feel the love as they quite literally cheer on an act of terrorism against a young American woman:
It's probably George Bush's fault for letting her wander around Iraq instead of putting her in a gulag.
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer tool.
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Oh, I know what's next. Her parents will sue the car manufacturer, or maybe the tire maker.
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There's no better useful idiot than a dead useful idiot.
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Nominate her for the Mincemeat/Pull-Yourself-Together Award
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At least the moonbat parents aren't yet saying "they killed their best friend."
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I can guess what color her eyes were! BLEW!
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I'm having another drink to celebrate another moonbat meeting a well deserved demise.
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She went from "peace" activist to piece activist.
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Another moonbat bitch slapped by reality.
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Maybe they were recruiting virgins. Somebody's gonna' be REAL disappointed.
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Marla Ruzika, aka "Betty Blastoff", contender for the Rachael Cory Misplaced Loyalties Award, will not be coming for tea. She went to pieces over her cause, most of which will be returned, eventually.
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I've been having a pretty stressful time over the past five or six days, and this news really picked me up. Thanks!
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May she rest in pieces.
Now let's hear from Hewitt, who prominently features LGF on his blog roll:
The blogosphere on the left came into being just at the moment the Democratic Party was the angriest, after the Florida 2000 election. And it has captured that anger. And there were no grownups there to direct it to legitimate and constructive political activity. They are training a generation of young Democratic activists to be angry, vulgar, profane, and cruel.
Yeah, Hugh, we're the "angry, vulgar, profane, and cruel" ones. I'd ask you for a rebuttal but I wouldn't be able to hear you due to all of the noise from the deranged, subhuman fear junkies on your squad gleefully tap-dancing in the blood of innocents. Unfortunately, I don't foresee that cacophony ending any time soon.
Previous posts in the series:
Right Wing Racism: Steve Sailer by Armando
Educating Wolfie by Pam Spaulding
Let’s Go Real Far Right… by Matt Stoller
Tramsmitting Extremism by David Neiwert
The Fork in the Road — The Right and Race Online by Steve Gilliard
Late Night FDL: A Thin Candy-Coat of Legitimacy by TBogg
What Lies Beneath by Matt O.
Breaking The Code by Digby
Racist Crusaders Advocate Holy War: The Connection Between Racism, RedState, and the War on Terror by Red Dan
Principia Wingnuttia by Gavin M.
Matt O. has also been compiling racist quotes from right-wing websites over at The Great Society.
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Fitz and can I just say that I am so pizzzted off today?
Seems like it all started with Reagan and Rush. Then it just snowballed.
then they all went bat shit over Clinton.
and now it’s a cottage industry.
Yeah. It’s just us old hippies, who served in government, paid our taxes, raised our kids, and fought in Vietnam. I think you nailed part of the problem: the deep insecurity of these incredibly fucked up people. I know some of thme, and they never cease to amaze me. They are truly fearful.
Smack ‘em down.
Bit of a convoluted read.
Valley Girl #88 (Just EPU’d)
I was a draftee in the early 60s. Disliked it at the time but couldn’t complain since I had almost literally countryclub duty. Frankly I support a return of the draft but with two caveats:
1) It should be part of a universal national service program that includes, in addition to military service, options like the Peace Corps, Americorps, Vista, etc as well as some programs like those in the Depression.
2) All descendents of the holders of elected federal office (Prez, Veep, & Congress Critters), as well as Cabinet officers and sub-officers down 2-3 levels, would have to perform their national service in the military. Furthermore, they would have to do so in a combat arm (infantry,artillery, etc. in the Army or Marines, ship-of-the-line in the Navy, etc.). And unless they were on an officer tract at the time their parent assumed office, they would have to serve in the enlisted ranks.
This country needs some such mechanism to assure that morally bankrupt assholes like the Bush-Cheney scumbags put some of their own precious flesh and blood on the line. If Barb and Jenna and Liz Cheney were humping packs and weapons in Iraq instead of staggering from one bar to the next in Georgetown or in some cushy Pentagon job maybe their old man would be a bit less cavalier with young lives.
Spectacular, Kevin. Thanks so much. (I should note that the whole “bedwetting” meme started with Kevin. Credit where credit is due.)
So happy you locked in on Hewitt.
Only 3 things or a combination of them will stop the Bush Administration from attacking Iran:
1) significant domestic resistance, both non-violent and otherwise;
2) A military coup;
3) The Second Coming, with Christ riding on a white horse in the clouds, wherein every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.
All seem to have about an equal chance of happening. Strangely, each becomes more likely with every passing day.
Mary Cheney, self-avowed lesbian, daughter of Veep Cheney, isn’t permitted to serve in the US military, because, well, you know, ummm, she’s a dyke. No need to ask - she done told!
none of Jenna and not-Jenna’s military age cousins are serving in the military either …
immanentize #82, previous thread
I don’t expect a coup. But where the military could come in to play is
ifwhen the Dems take back both houses of Congress in 2006, the subsequent real investigations expose “high crimes and misdemeanors” and then the impeachment train leaves the station. Should they be convicted I do not expect them to go quietly on AF 1 and AF2 flights back to Texas and Wyoming respectively. And that’s when their dissing ofthe military is going to bite them in the ass.Slightly OT, except for intro of post, but I can’t help myself:
This business of fundamentalists wanting evidence is interesting. Let’s see what ol’J had to say about people always looking for some kind of evidence
Mark 8:12
And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
Luke 15:22-31
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Araham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
*ilson46201 #11
When I become King I’ll make an exception for Mary C. ;-)
Reagan made it safe to hate again, and Bush has made fear and loathing an American mantra.
I’d say Regan and Pat Buchanan ck.
A fine post Kevin, thanks for the filth. ;-)
It fascinates me to read these comments. There is such a violent, knee, jerk reaction to any person or action which recognizes Iraqis or any other middle eastern group as having any humanity. Can they for a moment imagine if, say, France invaded us to eliminate George Bush and was shooting thier babies in the street, bombing thier cities and rounding them up and putting them in prison uncharged? What would they do when France discovered they had supported Bush and believed they had intelligence that was useful to them? They would pull out thier guns and take them on? Hit them over the head with thier keyboards?
They would be under the bed, hiding thier families and worrying about whether thier neighborhood was next.
There is no sympathy, no empathy for the thoughts or feelings of anyone who has been victimized by this war, and even when they talk about liberals or democrats, we are reduced to inhuman enemies who do not share a single aspect of commonality.
I can’t understand how they can function this way, I don’t know how they live with this kind of ugly in thier beings.
Also, I never heard of Marla Ruzicka until she was killed. But later I found out that I worked with some people who worshiped her. One had pictures of her in her work cubicle, and I asked about them. She had gone to Ruzicka’s fund raisers and started giving money to her cause -said she was the most inspirational person she ever met.
I hadn’t read the Newsweek story linked to above. Here is one interesting bit:
“When reporters discovered, soon after the ouster of Saddam Hussein in 2003, that the Baghdad neighborhood of Dhoura was littered with little grenade-like munitions from American cluster bombs—some of them hanging from trees, others on the hoods and roofs of cars—the journalists wrote their stories but despaired of actually getting anything done to help the people, even after three in the neighborhood were killed. One reporter told Marla. Two days later the military was in Dhoura cleaning up the bomblets and giving assistance to the families.”
What kind of person hates that? What is wrong with a person doing that kind of work? I hope my poltical advocacy never descends into the kind of hatred described in this post. If it ever does, here I hope to be called on it.
Great insights, beautifully written– awesome post! Thank you.
I’m watching “Dead Wrong” on CNN for the umpteenth time…
It’s worth remembering, BushCo was all about regime change in Iraq, period. WMD was used to “sell it” to us and the UN.
Along comes Newt, same deal…
“You have to take them out. You have to change the regime. Just to take out the (nuclear) facilities is a loser game. When they develop atomic weapons, they will sell them to somebody, and that will be dangerous.”
http://plaintalk.net/stories/0.....3001.shtml
Two words: Eric Hoffer.
“Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited opportunities for both.”
This is truly a great post. It says it all. thanks!
countdown just started…he is going to cover the generals asking for Rummy’s resignation
Great read. From now on the phrase “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself” will have a completely new meaning for me. It permeates them all from our Coward in chief at the top all the way down to the Yellow elephant 101st keyboarders doesn’t it.
i’m all ears, thanks for the update. stunning . really
Seems like it all started with Reagan and Rush. Then it just snowballed.
Reagan appointees on the FCC in 1987 got rid of the Fairness Doctrine, which required broadcasters to present opposing points of view. It’s no coincidence that Rush’s show became nationally syndicated in 1988.
thanks for the post, Kevin. I’m going to wash up now; egads, they are vile people.
Great writing, Kevin (I wish I could think of a better superlative right now).
My favorite sentence:
“Many years after their hero Chief Clearing Brush valiantly soldiered on reading The Pet Goat after finding out that our country was under attack (has a president ever acted more courageously with a pop-up book in his lap?), the fear is still deeply palpable in the nuttersphere (note to Pamela at Atlas Shrieks: if you post pictures of nuclear explosions more than 73 times on your blog, it’s a clear indication that you should start shopping around for a new shrink) and its occupants are tragically becoming increasingly unglued as Dear Leader’s numbers slip and the much-bungled War in Error has finally morphed into a very sore spot for a way-large swath of Americans.
They do it all the time Zennurse. Remember Margaret Hassan? Now I knew Margaret. She was a tough no nonsense Dubliner who fell in love with a good man (and had to run away to marry him.)
She loved Iraq and got a job doing great work for a British charity CARE it was her that bullied yelled screamed argued pleaded harassed and shamed the US, UK, UN, into allowing back chemo drugs into the children’s wards in Iraq. (Robert Fisk to his eternal credit gave her campaign a great boost.) There are children alive and growing up because of her.
When she was kidnapped and murdered along with the outpouring of sympathy and horror there was an outpouring of “serve her right.” I’ve got letter after letter from “good godfearing christians” saying that. I suppose the fact that she married a muslim who was brown damned her irretrievably in their eyes.
CSI: Thanks for mentioning Eric Hoffer.
Here’s a tidbit on him:
Concerned about the rise of totalitarian governments, especially those of Hitler and Stalin, he tried to find the roots of these “madhouses” in human psychology. He discovered that fanaticism and self-righteousness are rooted in self-hatred, self-doubt, and insecurity. As he describes in The True Believer, a passionate obsession with the outside world or with the private lives of other people is merely a craven attempt to compensate for a lack of meaning in one’s own life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hoffer
And thank you Kevin!
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Kevin K. always read the nutters on LGF so I didn’t have to. It takes a much braver soul than I to wade into that muck. Thanks. (Now you’ll have to excuse me while I purge my dinner.)
Every time I write about the violent, genocidal, racist imagery that you find in such places, wingnuts come to my blog and say that it’s just a joke or that I’m being politically correct or that I’m the racist for saying they are racist. Recently, I had a dialog with someone who says that it’s ok to take joy in peace activists’ beheadings because it’s fun to see people taught a lesson when they do dumb things. Kind of like America’s funniest home videos I guess.
What will it take to get these people to get bored with politics and go back to pulling the wings off flies?
Calling Dr. Trex pathetic coward with a website hosted in Russia has an urgent appointment with a big black trexitron.
Minnesotachuck #8- saw your comment, and responded, also EPU’d:
===Minnesotachuck- The caveats that you present are so important. I agree. And, the idea that the sons and daughters of Bushco don’t serve is ignomy. One of my best friends was drafted to Vietnam. Son of a prominent local DA, who could have pulled strings, but didn’t. Father wouldn’t even let him be in the boy scouts earlier bec. it was a pseudo military organization, in his opinion. When the time came, it was clear that Father felt that it was not ethical to step in to prevent son from being drafted, in light of all others serving. Son felt same, and served. Oh, yeah, they’re all Democrats.===
Will somebody wipe #32 please?
Margot at 31
Wow thanks for that. I had not heard of him but I know plenty of these people. I always thought they just had personality disorders. I am going to have to look up this guy’s work. It is crazy how easy it is to see their weaknesses.
OT, but David Ignatius over at WaPo has just proposed Joe Lieberman as a replacement for Donald Rumsfeld, calling him a “centrist Democrat.”
Egad, talk about your Evil Parallel Universe! I hope Jane gives Mr. I the pummeling he deserves tomorrow.
Left you something in the last thread neurophius.
be gone with ya, then! hateful horrible thing, begone.
William #38 Is “centrist Democrat” right wing code for “Democrat in name only”?
To riff on the post and comment 22, doesn’t this just basic Dale Carnegie: rule one to winning an argument, make the other person feel important? I’ve always seen Limbaugh, Hannity, Bush, etc., not so much as sellers of hate, bile or bigotry, but validation. ‘Yes, listener, despite what those shrill Liberals may say, you, sir, are important.’ Validation is addictive: think of all the romances you let drag on far longer than you should have.
When these kinds of topics come up, I’m always moved to ask, ‘We’re clever, us Liberal types: if a rodent like Rove can master group psychology, why can’t we?’ Why can’t manipulation be a two-edged sword? Admittedly it would be difficult, but would it really be THAT difficult?
(Any other Dale Carnegie buffs out there?)
32-how lovely, true multiculturalism, although
I think you’re speaking a foreign language.
Sorry, so sorry.
Helpful to point out an offensive post by #, but please don’t feed the trolls.
Disturbing post, remarkable and sad beyond belief.
I have thought for a long time that most of the insanity has been anger in search of an outlet. Several others have told me it is cold fear and anger is just the blanket. I still have no real idea, but the comments about Marla just leave you queasy - I guess it doesn’t really matter what the source is, bc it is not something that can be fought or addressed, it feeds on itself and conflict, safe in a cyber setting, just feeds it.
Lt Gen Newbold spoke in his piece of the “casual swagger” with which the Admin/Rummy sent others to their death - the swagger that doesn’t bury the results. He could have been talking about those people who mocked the death someone they never met.
BTW - in his own way, add Mora to the list of those who have spoken out. Fighting for the military’s morality is as important as - and almost indistinguishable from - fighting for its leadership.
Posting remote.
Welcome, Kevin K.
I’m not sure I agree with the dynamic presented at the top of your post about what makes fungelicals tick. My biggest problem with their paradigm is that they believe they can fuck up and fuck up and destroy and be utterly irresponsible, and then - “poof’ - have that come to Jesus moment, and the slate is wiped clean. This tends to create a modality of irresponsibility toward one thing after another.
Before finally surrendering to the arts in 1993, I worked for almost 17 years in public safety. The last seven were in community corrections, where I ended up having major responsibilities.
One of the types which inhabits the correctional system is the fungelical preacher who has sinned by screwing girls or boys or both - and got caught. I was interested in their mindset, and interviewed all who went through when I worked in corrections. One question I asked all busted sex offender preachers was “what line worked best?”
The most common response was along the lines of “Let us sin together so that we may be forgiven!” That jibes with what you’re contending above, but here we are on the friggin’ road to Damascus, and I truly wish we could turn a lot of Pauls back into Saul.
I worry that the Air Force Academy and a young officer corps about to be bequethed a new generation of mini-nukes, have been turned over to a fungelical cult who believe the end times are near. I worry about environmental policies being handled - since James Watt’s time for the most part - by people who feel validated in their beliefs when the earth and seas and atmosphere become less fertile. And then there’s the economy.
You speak of liberals being less worried than conservatives. If only it were true!
I linked thru to Ace of Spades and finished the comments on that thread. Great, Nuke ‘em, blah, blah, trash the troll, and
not a single mention of collateral deaths or the radiation risk. Not one. Just all military armchair quarterbacking except for the slavering adoration of “Colonel Jerry” who waxes philoso[hicl about fighter jets and MiG’s.
As I said, a foreign language.
A TWO-FER: THEY GET TO RAPE THE FORESTS AND TRASH SOUND SCIENCE.
http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/34652/
Once Upon a Forest
By Kelpie Wilson, TruthOut.org. Posted April 10, 2006.
Republicans are using their version of ’science’ to eliminate environmental protections for recovering forests. Tools
I was on a radio program out of Detroit last week, and the host asked me how things were going in the great forests of the Pacific Northwest. “Do people still sit in trees there?” he asked. “Are they still cutting down the big trees?”
My answer to both questions was yes. People do still sit in trees and protest logging. But these days, the protests rarely make the national news. The mainstream media has never allocated enough space to cover environmental news (while most newspapers have special sections on health, science and technology, special environment sections are rare), and what space there is goes to the hottest issue of the moment. These days, understandably, it is global warming.
But the health and stability of the climate is intimately tied to the health and stability of forests. Destruction of forests and other wild land is one of the largest sources of greenhouse gas emissions, contributing somewhere between 20 percent and 30 percent of the total.
For this reason alone, the newest assault on America’s forests, House Resolution 4200, should be big news. HR 4200 passed out of the House Resources Committee last week (with the votes of six Democrats — showing that the timber industry spreads its influence around liberally). It goes to the Agriculture Committee for markup this week and then to a vote.
neurophius #41
I wish I knew. True, the WaPo has a long habit of confusing power with reason, but how far must reality have shifted for any professional journalist to actually believe Lieberman is a centrist of any kind? We can only hope that smart and dedicated folks like our hosts can help us tug it back in the right (left?) direction.
When Digby called them “whiny-ass titty babies” I understood. It opened my mind.
Someone followed up by saying that, on 9/11, wingers pissed themselves and wanted “strong daddy” Bush to wipe it up with the Constitution.
Word.
Now I see demonstrators with signs that read “We are not afraid.”
I can dig it.
The wingnut’s primary motivator is fear; fear born of ignorance. We are not afraid.
Thanks for the great post.
Thanks to FDL for the sublime mix-tape of late-night blogger guests.
Edward Teller #46: It’s Calvinism bolted and gone to seed.
Digby has an interesting post tonight on the extremism and general crankiness, and tendancy to conservatism of the boomers. I wonder how many of these reactionary hatemongers are frustrated boomers with gripes and unresolved boomer “issues”. A lot of these white guys in charge of these sites seem like prime boomer age to me. The Hewitt fellow seems too old to be a boomer, though.
ET- have you lost your ***? ;)
Nice post Kevin, your Nuttersphere-dar must be cranked to the max. After talking with family members who served in heavy combat during WWII, None of them (they are in their 80’s) would ever speak of killing other soldiers in the terms heard on the RightWingnut blogs. They are humbled and saddened by their war memories and display more compassion towards humanity because of their horrendous experiences than all the NeoCon Fighting Keyboarders put together and stuffed in a shotglass.
It is stunning how few NeoConvicts ever fought or even joined up to fight but who reveal in talking about killing. They define the very essence of cowardice.
the “casual swagger†with which the Admin/Rummy sent others to their death - the swagger that doesn’t bury the results.
Compare the casual swagger with the dismay expressed by Dick Cheney when he shot a hunting partner in the face.
Blood and guts are big fun for these cowards, except when it’s up close and personal.
wesgpc- FWIW, I’m a boomer and I ain’t gettin conservatism. I’ll have to go read the Digby post to see the context.
Tommy Yum 50
“…It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins…†- Benjamin Franklin
Well here’s a corollary, it is in the NeoConvict’s religion of fear that ReThuglicanism begins…
Valley Girl #55: Excuuuuse me. I said “tendancy” to conservatism. Not that every boomer was conservative. Me, being an economist, if I get too liberal, men in sunglasses and black suits come and take away my degrees. But the GW Bush regime has been a radicalizing force. Good enough to keep me solidly liberal for the duration, probably.
I have to echo everything Edward Teller says about the antinomian mindset of these people.
Related:
Brigadier Nigel Aylwin-Foster has a trenchant critique of the US military’s failures at counter-insurgency download the PDF from here. Note who his publishers are - the US Army. One of the HUGE changes in the last generation in the US army has been the influx of southern fundamentalist officers. To the point where they dominate. This ain’t good. For the record Aylwin-Foster was a very very very good anti-terrorist commander in Northern Ireland during a particularly “busy” time. I have enormous respect for him first as a decent human being and secondly as a soldier.
Please note especially his comments about “self-righteous” etc. I have to agree with him. Your officer corps are a big part of the reason why Iraq is a bloodsoaked mess.
Oops.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04.....ref=slogin
AL QUEDA MYTH
http://www.tompaine.com/articl.....a_myth.php
Fear for these people must be like adrenalin. It’s a rush, a high. And MaestroG (#42), the daily validation from guys like Limbaugh is an important part of it too.
Group psychology can and must be learned by the Democratic party if this we’re going to get through this.
wesgpc- there was certainly nothing meant in my comment as an attack on you- apologies if you thought so- and, I did say I’d have to go read the post to get the context. Maybe I was just pulling an “ageist” thing on you, assuming that you aren’t a boomer. Friends here, anon1, or I do hope so.
V.G.
I’m down in the studio FINISHING - YAY!! - a piece of music which had a tough time birthing. My son has the laptop and I forgot to reset the ID. Anyway, still looking for a new nom de blog.
wesgpc,
A lot of my boomer friends who didn’t like Clinton are becoming pretty disgusted and even activist about Bush. That’s the secular ones. The born-again crowd hate him for other reasons, sort of like they came to hate his father.
wesgpc - It is interesting times when the NYT and WaPo take a knee to Bush, and The Economist chews him a new one.
Thanks Kevin.
Its fear. And as you allude to, an ungodly love of fear that drives our brothers and sisters to be so faithless. Its almost as if they think they can bottle their unconsconcious screams and use it as the propellant they need to blast them up into the rapture.
We see it high and low. Whereas Kerry (regardless of what you may think of him) probably did risk fire in saving Rassman’s life, the Chickhawk’s recent display of valor consists of “going in” for Libby. Of course, the fire is all “friendly fire”. Shouldn’t be a surprise when Cheney is involved. Not that anyone is going to be surprised is Libby gets metaphorically shot in the face. (Couldn’t help it.)
And fear of what, now that the drums are beating for Iran?
Saving Israel? Lord. What does anyone think Iran will do with a nuke? Who would they attack who couldn’t (and wouldn’t) retaliate to degree that wouldn’t end Persian history? And that is what perplexes me. How does this story go?
I wish you’d stop calling them “conseratives” there’s nothing even remotely conservative about them. They’re extreme right wingers. Emphasis on extreme. I agree with with wesgpc calvinism bolted and gone to seed is exactly what it is. And excuse me who voted for Bush overwhelmingly????? Boomers.
Mind you I’m a European conservative which means that on the current American political spectrum pretty much everybody is to the right of me.
Excuse me…I still listen to the Jefferson Airplane.
“Up against the wall motherfuckers.” is a line that will never die!
ET, well, for your amusement, but I doubt that it’s a keeper:
‘edward teller’
anagrams to
‘Lewd, elder rat.’
http://www.anagramgenius.com/server.html
So Edward once the magnum opus is properly birthed are you going to be christening it with a magnum of champagne? :-)
Group psychology can and must be learned by the Democratic party if this we’re going to get through this.
You know what? I want that job. Commander of opposition research and psyops for a fire-breathing liberal politician. I want to be the Anti-Rove. Because I believe in the right to play dirty when the other side is as evil and dangerous as the people who are running our country now. They would fear my name. I would dig through their bank records, their credit card receipts, cell phone records. Anything I could lay hands on. (And I would find people who know how to get that information.) There wouldn’t be a Repugnican in DC with a live boy or a dead girl in their bed that I wouldn’t know about.
I would have a necklace of ears.
When I got done, Barbara Comstock would be afraid to pick up the phone to make a hair appointment without a lawyer and three witnesses in the room.
ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh VG what a wonderful monniker! Any chance you do rework mine? Huh? huh? willya? willya? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze
wesgpc,
“I said “tendancy†to conservatism. Not that every boomer was conservative.”
That reminds me, there was a TV commercial that ran for months that just burned my ass. Fidelity Investments, City Group, something like that, not sure… (Paraphasing)… This is Carol, college student, Democrat, Sales Executive, Mom, Republican….
Subliminal crap (product and political)advertising. As if Democrat then Republican is the natural progression.
Grrrr…
markfromireland #66
Bernie Sanders (VT independent congressperson) calls them right wing extremists. That works too. Oh, he was specifically referring to BushCo. admin.
It isn’t just fear it’s also paranoia. They think everyone is out to get them. The thing is, they elevate their status by doing this. We don’t give a hoot about them and just want to be left alone. Did you ever notice that about paranoid people? They think everyone is watching them, and talking about them, and care about what they think or do. When in fact the only thing people are thinking about them is, “Please go away already.” I’m talking about your average conservative family member or neighbor here. We obviously do watch what conservative bloggers do and say mostly for amusement. That’s why I visit Tbogg first every day. LOL
Fear for these people must be like adrenalin. It’s a rush, a high.
It’s the Two Minutes’ Hate from 1984 except that it goes on forever.
Is there a trained shrink in the house?
When I got done, Barbara Comstock would be afraid to pick up the phone to make a hair appointment without a lawyer and three witnesses in the room.
TRex #70. I love that. I really do.
Went Bush promised to unite everybody back in 2000, who knew it would be that we all hate him.
TR @ 70,
Thanks for the reminder about “bank records”.
So, of course, far easier and more important than tapping people’s phones is grabbing those bank transactions. Almost a given given the work it takes to deal with voice communications or the semantic processing of e-mails. Follow the money.
Wouldn’t it be odd if on all those disks of bank transactions some have been deleted.
Hey Trex!
Do you mean like Bill Frist’s RED hanky?
Here’s the money quote - get digging:
TR #70
A necklace of ears? Pure, unadulterated brilliance. You’ve certainly got my vote. And just so the born again get the message, we could put First Apostle of Kali on your office door.
I can’t take any credit, except for finding the anagram generator link: http://www.anagramgenius.com/server.php
‘markfromireland’
anagrams to
‘Alarm kind former.’
Hmm… doesn’t quite have the lewd rat ring to it. Sorry.
OT, but it’s Wolcott:
“Since September 11th, nearly all the pressure and energy has come from above, a topdown authoritarian lid clamped over the country–over the world–as the Bush administration preached a gospel of fear and launched its War on Terror. But over the last year or so, the energy and motion has surged from below in a renewal of people power, first in the Latin American cities that have elected new leaders, then in Paris, where students and supporters protested the proposed change in hiring/firing laws (and prevailed), and now, in the streets of American cities, where hundreds of thousands have decided to end their invisibility in the political process. The grip of fear can’t be sustained indefinitely in an open society addicted to entertainment and diversion, and Bush’s grip has cracked. He seems a shrugging, camera-mugging irrelevance when you see him on the stump now. It’s as if he’s trying to convince us he’s still in charge, or perhaps trying to convince himself.”
Is it three links or two that goes into automatic moderation? Because that’s from a Bill Princess Sparklepony blog entry And anyone less deserving of going into moderation than the sparkly princess I can’t think of.
Thesaurus Rex 70
I call it getting their “XYZ/timeline”
Most NeoConvict’s behavior, if illuminated so there friends and family and co-workers and employers could see it, would isolate them to a point where they could get a Real taste of Fear.
True banishment from the comfort or concern of any of their fellow humans, would be a form of solitary confinement they would not recover from.
Their hate is a form of self=destructive behavior. NeoConvicts are to cowdardly to kill themselves, so their twisted minds figure if they just piss enough people off around them, someone will eventually do the dirty deed for them and put them out of their misery.
hmmm Gorillas Guides gets turned into:
Is sludgier gaol
My real name (in Irish) becomes:
I’m childish piranhas in charm
and the English version of my real name becomes:
Manual, rude sparks
I’m torn between being a childish piranha and a rude spark. On balance I prefer the piranha.
markfromireland, I’m not sure if I understand your question. But I seem to remember a comment from RH that things are now set up so that more than two links = automatic moderation on FDL as a troll restraint.
Feckit I forgot to clear the sodding form fields.
Yeah you guessed right VG I run the same thing myself on markfromireland depending on troll activity and comment spam levels I ramp the number of permitted links up or down. On gorillasguides everything goes into the moderation queue.
Looks like Jane’s limit is two - which is fair enough and very reasonable so I’m not griping :-)
‘George W Bush’
anagrams to
‘He grew bogus.’
Valley Girl: I was joking. Thanks for the anagram generator. My real name turns up “I’m wild hot jog!” Hmmm… And I am on young end of boomerhood. Them damn boomers. Them damn hippies. Older brothers and sisters and cousins, that’s what I remember grade school and Jr High, all the repressed teachers who missed out on the sex and drugs and general wildness took it out on us. That’s what I think. I may have vented on this before here. If so, sorry.
And lemme tell ya, I could see signs of incipient reaction even back then! I could I tell you! If only I had the evidence!
Seriously, this was a great post tonight, and I think we need to point up the insecurity, paranoia resntment and irrational fear and (I think) lack of life-meaning that lies behind much of the hatred.
I do not understand the snotty supercilious superiority complex that sometimes seems to pervade my own boomer generation. What the hell did these people ever do? Compared to, Oh, I dunno, the two or three generations before them?
My real name scrambles to “A Fervid Sun God” and my porno name, “Davie Dong-Surf”.
GJ, #89. Well now, THAT’s a keeper.
‘Richard Bruce Cheney’
anagrams to
‘Hereby chancier crud.’
It’s sort of a martyr complex, but these disciples are determined not to repeat the mistakes of their teacher. They’d rather be the hammer and the nail. If they only could.