
Update: Folks are gathering over at the post.blog to make their feelings on the subject known.
For years now the GOP machine has succeeded in strong-arming the Washington Post into legitimizing their propaganda, dribbling out sensational disinformation during Whitewater to the hacktackular Sue Schmidt to put on the front page without skepticism or question. Over time they have provided easy, sleazy copy and traded "access" to the point that it has fueled an empire of mediocrity where only the people willing to limbo low enough and shape the news to Karl Rove's satisfaction are rewarded with the scoops that trigger seniority. Both editors and reporters alike know their only ability to ascend the hierarchy comes from emulating supreme access pimp and BushCo. dupe Bob Woodward in a slavish devotion to stenography and the propagation of disinformation.
The new Washington Post editorial, an enormous turd that editorial page editor Fred Hiatt no doubt wrote, is such an unmitigated piece of BushCo. propaganda, such a giant bag of bullshit it deserves to be taken apart, piece by piece and beaten into the ground. Armando has a rundown of Hiatt's bloodthirsty warmongering for which the paper will one day soon be held to account. But today's editorial on the BushCo. leak shows exactly how the Post is earning its reputation for being just a few shades less reliable than PRAVDA:
A Good Leak
President Bush declassified some of the intelligence he used to decide on war in Iraq. Is that a scandal?PRESIDENT BUSH was right to approve the declassification of parts of a National Intelligence Estimate about Iraq three years ago in order to make clear why he had believed that Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons. Presidents are authorized to declassify sensitive material, and the public benefits when they do.
How exactly does the public benefit from having selective, misleading bits of information leaked to a reporter for no other reason than to polish Dubya's image in the press? Over at the Left Coaster, eRiposte takes apart the notion that this "declassification" was in any way intended to benefit the public.
Basically the NIE report had three sections -- the Key Judgments, which had no mention of the uranium claim, the Body of the NIE which did mention the uranium claim, and the Annex which contained the INR rebuttal that said the uranium claim was extremely iffy.
Says eRiposte:
If Libby had actually passed on the key judgments of the NIE to Miller, Miller would have discovered that it had NO mention of the uranium claim. So, it appears that Libby, Bush and Cheney tried to deliberately misrepresent the NIE to reporters by claiming that the uranium claim was part of the NIE's key judgments (even though it was not) and then tried to leak the contents from the body of the NIE (minus the annex) to make it appear as if the NIE made a strong case against Joseph Wilson's claims.
Hiatt may want to take a short trip down the hall, because journalists Barton Gelman and Dafna Linzer, writing for today's Washington Post seem very much aware of this fact.
Further, according to Fitzgerald the CIA report on Joe Wilson's trip had not been declassified at the time Libby leaked it to Miller. Hiatt conveniently ignores this in his eagerness to give Bush a free pass and attribute his craven abuse of power to some misty-eyed notion of public service.
But the administration handled the release clumsily, exposing Mr. Bush to the the hyperbolic charges of misconduct and hypocrisy that Democrats are leveling.
This is a portrait of Fred Hiatt gorging on cocktail weenies. How helpful of him to spread the meme that this is all just more partisan politics. There is no legitimate concern here, no. It's all just Democratic "hyperbole." I can't wait to see the polling on this one, I'm sure it'll prove there are a whole lot of Democrats out there.
Rather than follow the usual declassification procedures and then invite reporters to a briefing -- as the White House eventually did -- Vice President Cheney initially chose to be secretive, ordering his chief of staff at the time, I. Lewis Libby, to leak the information to a favorite New York Times reporter. The full public disclosure followed 10 days later. There was nothing illegal or even particularly unusual about that....
Did they even bother to read Fitzgerald's recent filing before they wrote this? From page 20:
Defendant testified that the circumstances of his conversation with reporter Miller -- getting approval from the President through the Vice President to discuss material that would be classified but for that approval -- were unique in his recollection.
And from page 23:
Defendant testified that this July 8th meeting was the only time he recalled in his government experience when he disclosed a document to a reporter that was effectively declassified by virtue of the President's authorization that it be declassified.
And as Christy noted this morning, these actions were in direct contravention of what Condaleezza Rice herself said about the Administration's policy regarding the NIE at the time:
[S]even days before key portions of the NIE were released, reporters badgered the then national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice to allow them to see some of the NIE, which had been used by the administration to make the case for war with Congress. "We don’t want to try to get into kind of selective declassification," said Rice, though she added, "We’re looking at what can be made available."
But wait, it gets better:
....nor is this presidentially authorized leak necessarily comparable to other, unauthorized disclosures that the president believes, rightly or wrongly, compromise national security.
They're absolutely right about this. George Bush abused his power to authorize leaks to mislead the press for political gain. The leakers in the NSA warrantless wiretap scandal are true whistleblowers, people who risked much to inform the public about the Administration's illegal activities. Fred Hiatt takes out a big-ass knife and plants it in the back of his fellow journalists by applauding the witch hunt being carried out by the Bush Administration. Any journalist who is willing to collect a paycheck working for or with Hiatt ought to think very carefully about this fact in the future.
Nevertheless, Mr. Cheney's tactics make Mr. Bush look foolish for having subsequently denounced a different leak in the same controversy and vowing to "get to the bottom" of it.
This is an amazing bit of sophistry. "Mr. Cheney's tactic" distances Bush from responsibility with absolutely no evidence provided that Cheney cooked up this particular tactic. In fact, Digby surmises that he didn't. "A different leak" -- technically, yes. But all a part of the same effort, to mislead the public and spread political propaganda.
The affair concerns, once again, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV and his absurdly over-examined visit to the African country of Niger in 2002. Each time the case surfaces, opponents of the war in Iraq use it to raise a different set of charges, so it's worth recalling the previous iterations. Mr. Wilson originally claimed in a 2003 New York Times op-ed and in conversations with numerous reporters that he had debunked a report that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium from Niger and that Mr. Bush's subsequent inclusion of that allegation in his State of the Union address showed that he had deliberately "twisted" intelligence "to exaggerate the Iraq threat." The material that Mr. Bush ordered declassified established, as have several subsequent investigations, that Mr. Wilson was the one guilty of twisting the truth.
We'll let Barton Gelman and Dafna Linzer, writing for today's Washington Post, field this one:
One striking feature of that decision -- unremarked until now, in part because Fitzgerald did not mention it -- is that the evidence Cheney and Libby selected to share with reporters had been disproved months before.
United Nations inspectors had exposed the main evidence for the uranium charge as crude forgeries in March 2003, but the Bush administration and British Prime Minister Tony Blair maintained they had additional, secret evidence they could not disclose. In June, a British parliamentary inquiry concluded otherwise, delivering a scathing critique of Blair's role in promoting the story. With no ally left, the White House debated whether to abandon the uranium claim and became embroiled in bitter finger-pointing about whom to fault for the error. A legal brief filed for Libby last month said that "certain officials at the CIA, the White House, and the State Department each sought to avoid or assign blame for intelligence failures relating to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."
It was at that moment that Libby, allegedly at Cheney's direction, sought out at least three reporters to bolster the discredited uranium allegation. Libby made careful selections of language from the 2002 estimate, quoting a passage that said Iraq was "vigorously trying to procure uranium" in Africa.
Explain to me again about how Wilson was the one twisting the truth? Bush ordered the selective leaking of misinformation to prove something he knew was not true. Need more proof? Let's check yesterday's New York Times:
Mr. Fitzgerald, in his filing, said that Mr. Libby had been authorized to tell Judith Miller, then a reporter for The New York Times, on July 8, 2003, that a key finding of the 2002 intelligence estimate on Iraq was that Baghdad had been vigorously seeking to acquire uranium from Africa.
But a week earlier, in an interview in his State Department office, Mr. Powell told three other reporters for The Times that intelligence agencies had essentially rejected that contention, and were "no longer carrying it as a credible item" by early 2003, when he was preparing to make the case against Iraq at the United Nations.
Mr. Powell's queasiness with some of the intelligence has been well known, but the new revelations suggest that long after he had concluded the intelligence was faulty, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby were still promoting it.
But the facts do not faze the surreal fantasies engaged in by the Post. No, no, they decide to do all the drugs at once:
In fact, his report supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium.
This is where we get into the deep and heavy bullshit. First off, I don't know how these people open their mouths and say this stuff without their heads exploding -- it pains me to inform them that Joe Wilson was right. There were no Iraqi attempts to obtain uranium from Niger. This is a sad fact that the Washington Post is eventually just going to have to accept. But in the mean time, I tip my hat to eRiposte for this link, to George Tenet's sword-fall on July 11, 2003:
Because [the report associated with Wilson's trip, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the President, Vice-President or other senior Administration officials.
To quote eRiposte, "In other words, even if you take Tenet's spin for gospel, this WaPo editor's claim that [the report attributed to Wilson] supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium is simply flat out false. They're just making stuff up."
Mr. Wilson subsequently claimed that the White House set out to punish him for his supposed whistle-blowing by deliberately blowing the cover of his wife, Valerie Plame, who he said was an undercover CIA operative. This prompted the investigation by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald. After more than 2 1/2 years of investigation, Mr. Fitzgerald has reported no evidence to support Mr. Wilson's charge.
Let's take a look at what Fitzgerald actually said. Page 26:
Indeed, there exist documents, some of which have been provided to defendant, and there were conversations in which defendant participated,that reveal a strong desire by many, including multiple people in the White House, to repudiate Mr. Wilson before and after July 14, 2003.
And again, on Page 29-30:
Defendant also asserts without elaboration that "documents that help establish that no White House-driven plot to punish Mr. Wilson caused the disclosure of Mr. Wilson's identity also constitute Brady material." Once again, defendant ignores the fact that he is not charged with participating in any conspiracy, much less one defined as a "White House-drive plot to punish Mr. Wilson." Thus, putative evidence that such a conspiracy did not exist is not Brady material. Moreover, given that there is evidence that other White House officials with whom defendant spoke prior to June 14, 2003 discussed Wilson's wife's employment with the press both prior to, and after, July 14, 2003 -- which evidence has been shared with defendant -- it is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to "punish" Wilson.
Contrary to Hiatt's assertion, Fitzgerald seems to think he has plenty to back up Wilson's claim.To the extent that he hasn't called up the Post to let them personally know what that evidence is, I suppose it must be disappointing to them. Ah the days of Ken Starr.
Had enough Fred? Well I haven't. Let's keep going:
In last week's court filings, he stated that Mr. Bush did not authorize the leak of Ms. Plame's identity.
Mr. Libby's motive in allegedly disclosing her name to reporters, Mr. Fitzgerald said, was to disprove yet another false assertion, that Mr. Wilson had been dispatched to Niger by Mr. Cheney. In fact Mr. Wilson was recommended for the trip by his wife.
Joe Wilson's July 6 editorial in the New York Times is what caused George Tenet, five days later, to publicly state that the Administration had been wrong to include the "16 words" in Bush's speech. That didn't happen because Wilson was wrong. And any attempt to smear Wilson, defame either himself or his wife is only an extension of the initial White House disinformation campaign. It blithely ignores the cold, hard reality of the matter.
Mr. Libby is charged with perjury, for having lied about his discussions with two reporters. Yet neither the columnist who published Ms. Plame's name, Robert D. Novak, nor Mr. Novak's two sources have been charged with any wrongdoing.
And how does that make perjury, false statement and obstruction of justice okay exactly?
As Mr. Fitzgerald pointed out at the time of Mr. Libby's indictment last fall, none of this is particularly relevant to the question of whether the grounds for war in Iraq were sound or bogus.
No he did not say that. What he said was this:
The indictment will not seek to prove that the war was justified or unjustified. This is stripped of that debate, and this is focused on a narrow transaction.
And I think anyone who's concerned about the war and has feelings for or against shouldn't look to this criminal process for any answers or resolution of that.
In other words, oh ye of simple mind, his investigation did not seek to resolve the question of whether the grounds for war were justified. He made no judgment about the applicability of its findings, nor did he claim to be the arbiter of that.
It's unfortunate that those who seek to prove the latter would now claim that Mr. Bush did something wrong by releasing for public review some of the intelligence he used in making his most momentous decision.
Which "momentous decision" would that be? The one that wouldn't let the public know the truth about the dissent within the intelligence community regarding Iraq's attempts to reconstitute their nuclear arms program? Save your speeches about the unbridled patriotism of George Bush's motives. He's a petty, petulant mediocrity whose agenda could not accommodate the truth, just like Hiatt. It was political smoke and mirrors intended to dupe a nation, pure and simple. Hiatt is just adding a rubber chicken show to the act.
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when i get that feeling, i want fitzual healing
I am sick to death of the lazy-assed, cowardly mainstream media. As a former newspaper editor and columnist, I am ashamed of these people. With just a few exceptions, Fred is indicative of the whole damn lot of them. Pathetic.
Wapooooopoooooo!!
And geeze, can’t people think of something more clever in their comments than some pun about Fitz? I mean, I agree and all, but give it a rest…
What the hell IS it with these people? If Bush just wanted to get the “whole story out to the American People — the talking point in use now –there are things called “SPEECHES” or a “PRESS CONFERENCES” that he could’ve resorted to, rather than leaking like a faulty condom.
i saw Jon Kyl on TV trying the same crap.
sharkbabe “fitzual healing” Now that’s funny,absolutely fitztastic.
I think Hiatt’s the grand poobah of the cocktail weenie circuit.
I tried to post your entire article Jane at the WaPoo Blog but it didnt take. I guess it’s too long… oh well
Do you really think Hiatt wrote it? I was thinking Rove. It was just so patently absurd. Perhaps Hiatt wrote it and Rove proofed it?
EPU’d
Mary, Loosehead, ReddHedd - Thank you so much for your input. Almost makes me want to be a lawyer.
Question or two. How can we attract more qualified people to be Prosecutors? It’s a problem. I watched OJ’s trial 90% and say that good defense attorneys and bad cops and a weak Judge along with a “jury of our peers†can be a problem.
What is the prediction. A pleading? A trial?
I think we just landed on Omaha Beach.
This editorial should earn Fred Hiatt the “Weenie of the Week” award.
SoonerThought - Lighten up and FITZ…FITZ.
You are just sorry you can’t do it. Be quick. There is NO rest for the chimp. :)
Do you really think Hiatt wrote it? I was thinking Rove.
This morning, folks were speculating the Woodward wrote it.
Forthright
Independent
Truthful
Zeus
That’s our Patrick
What medications are you currently on?
Thus passeth the smoldering wreck that is Fred Hiatt.
I saw Kyl blathering on the teebee too. What a joke. He kept claiming that “US Intelligence couldn’t disprove the claim that Iraq was trying to aquire uranium, and the British said they had proof Iraq did try, so see, Bush wasn’t lying.”
Obviously, Kyl can’t read. Why, oh why, does anyone allow these idiots on their shows?
WaPo’s puff piece on Hiatt
http://www.washpostco.com/bio-hiatt_f.htm
How hard is it to say “Fitz”? ;-)
EPU’d, but very apropos to fdl’s racial bias series:
Callers to Montgomery County MD school staff used abusive language and *racial slurs* when protesting a decision to grant community service credit for the immigration rally tomorrow, according to the Superintendant. It’s spring break, so no one is missing any school.
I am very embarrassed to tell you I got this from Fox. Had to watch something on the exercise bike, and all the other channels had people on that made me want to throw things. [hey, would that count as exercise?] So I thought, time to find out what the far right is up to. At least Fox reported about the racist language people were hurling at the school staff. [hurling racist language–exercise for sick minds]
Jane, fabulous smackdown. I didn’t have the stomach to finish reading the WP editorial this morning, much less debunk all the crap in it. Thank you.
kent - Well, to make a comment like that you need to be a bit more specific. Okay?
Jane, you give good smack-down.
It’s worth noting, however, that the editorial staff and the news staff are two separate entities. Not that that lets the Washington Post off the hook for the nonsense that Hiatt writes.
I suspect, however, that the Post is rapidly approaching the dynamic that you see at the Wall Street Journal- where the editorial page is completely insane, while the news division looks on in incredulity and horror.
Kathryn Graham must be spinning in her grave.
But the administration handled the release clumsily, exposing Mr. Bush to the the hyperbolic charges of misconduct and hypocrisy that Democrats are leveling.
IOW, What kind of meanie makes fun of somebody for being clumsy?
Ever since beholding this editorial this morning, I have been speechless with incredulity and rage. Even for the WaPo with its greatest warwhoring hits, this is simply THE most brazenly, nakedly, stunningly dishonest piece of writing EVER to appear in that paper.
We need to make that Ben dust-up look like a Tupperware party. This shit will NOT FUCKING STAND, POST.
IMPEACH THE HEATHERS
legal friends: repeating a question from earlier - I remember an issue from Iran Contra (tho could have been watergate) where congressional hearings blocked prosecution by offering immunity for testimony which then ruled out criminal prosecution. Is there any chance that that is Spector’s game?
Now that it is clear that the White House released (leaked?) information (classified?) to refute the claims of Ambassador Joe Wilson in the run up to the Iraq war, the President’s usual apologists are rushing to provide the plausible explanation of the events. The Washington Post’s Sunday editorial calls the Presidents actions “A Good Leakâ€. The Post is not alone in attempting to parse words. Bill Kristol accuses Prosecutor Fitzgerald today of buying into the definition of “leak†that is preferred by the Presidents detractors. Think Progress has the video of Kristol here.
It’s hard to imagine that the WaPo & Kristol actually think the public will accept these arguments. In his appearance, Kristol made the following remark:
“He (Fitzgerald) has bought the argument that there is something improper about the Bush administration responding to Joe Wilson’s charges.â€
Excuse me, but secretly leaking information cannot be equated with “respondingâ€. The explanation of the actions (leaking) after the fact cannot disguise the intentions of the actions (manipulation) at the moment that they occurred. Had the President wanted to respond in order to properly inform the American public about the classified information, then logically, why wouldn’t he have simply done so directly? If the President feels the American public should hear important classified information, he can simply release the information in any number of straightforward ways through a press release from the White House or explained in a speech or through a news conference. Frankly, “a good leak†need not be a leak at all. Trying to explain why it was a leak is the task at hand.
Unfortunately, that can’t be done logically because, at the time the leak occurred, the leaked information needed to be selective. Had they actually acknowledged the “declassification†openly at the time that they now assert it was declassified by the President, then the documents would have become immediately accessible to the press and the public. If that were to happen at the point in time when the issue was receiving scrutiny in the media, it may have minimized the intended smear of Wilson’s assertions. The media would have reviewed the entire document and found information that would have conflicted with the administrations assessment and potentially given some added credibility to Wilson’s assertions and accusations.
I would argue that the subsequent release of the document (I believe roughly ten days later) was also strategic. It gave the administration enough time to smear Wilson knowing full well that the flurry of media attention before the actual release of the document would provide the players a necessary window of opportunity to sufficiently cast doubt on Wilson’s assertions. In retrospect, the plan to smear Wilson was quite effective given that no significant traction would be gained by those who, at the time, doubted much of the intelligence being provided and the necessity to invade Iraq.
Further, I might speculate that the repercussions of the release of Valerie Plames name may have been a poorly vetted or overlooked detail that resulted in an unintended consequence. Unfortunately, her exposure and the subsequent attempt to cover it up and reconstruct the events has led to an abundance of doubt as to the intended actions of the President and his operatives. The full degree of damage to this President, who has billed himself as a straight shooter, is yet to be determined.
http://www.thoughttheater.com
SoonerThought - Betcha you can’t do it FIRST. :)
This morning, folks were speculating the Woodward wrote it.
Really? then he’s gone the rest of the way bat-shit insane.
I guess the delusions die hard.
Josh Marshall says of the WaPo editorial board:
For whatever reason, the Post has chosen to throw in its lot with the flurry of mendacious rhetoric and the white-washed investigations, all of which amount to a grand pen and paper and word game truss barely holding together the body of official lies that is still barely governing the capital.
They’ve made their deal with power. They should justify it on those grounds rather than choosing to mislead their readers.
And here’s a link to his take on the Niger uranium story that ran in the London Times today: This is the cover story concocted by the Italian government.
Can the Wilson’s take any kind of legal action against the WaPost for an editorial like that? It seems to slander them yet again.
Just asking…
In a home delivery market that includes the CIA, NSA, DIA, DEA, FBI, and BATF, I don’t think that editorial is going to go over very well.
What Pach said in 17, great, great post Jane.
No need for stenography refresher courses @ WaPo for fucking Hiatt, Vandehei, Schmidt, Howell, Kurtz, Brady
I think lump o’ stepford boyfriend killer librarian wrote it. It has the whhhaaa feel to it– ‘my husband was just doing the right thing, no matter what y’all say’. Or maybe Lynne Cheney did it. It has the trademark of someone who will defend the criminals no matter what. And since the Waaapoopoo has no integrity left, why not allow a guest editorial without assignation? Everything is possible.
Jane– incisive as usual. Why does our collective blood have to boil so quickly after it seems that the truth just might get out? This rethug machine is like the Terminator or Christine– keeps coming back for another whack.
And geeze, can’t people think of something more clever in their comments than some pun about Fitz?
Duh, no!
:)
So I was wrong.
Libby will definitely not be the ultimate cutout.
Because they have clearly decided to ride Lancelot Link right over the top.
But what amazes me is the fact that they think that there will now be no stampede down the forgery road.
(or is that what that codswallop in the Sunday Times today was all about?)
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What is the purpose of this editorial? It has a flavour of desperation.
They have belatedly realized how seriously the general public takes the leak — and most of the news covarage, particularly the newspaper headlines, has already left the impression that Bush was the one who leaked Plame’s name. (I’m not so sure that this is actually wrong, though of course it goes beyond the presently-known facts.)
Anyway, this editorial flings every anti-Wilson in the hopes that something hits the fan. The result is mishmash. The only people who will understand it are the people like us who already know so much about the case that we know how many errors the editorial contains.
New nickname — WaPoop!!!
Great post, Jane — you Fitzify the huddled masses of reality based patriots, yearning to be free of the long nightmare of BushCo axes-of-evil.
On question — you wrote:
But the facts do not phase the surreal fantasies engaged in by the Post.
Did you mean to write faze instead of phase?
Just wondering . . .
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Fitz is right: a successful NigerGate prosecution cannot in itself “prove that the war was unjustified”, but it can indeed prove that a reality based community still exists in this country, including some courageous officials of the legal system. That’s a step back toward sanity; unfortunately, it’s happening without much help from the corporate media, whose deeply embedded editors and journalists enabled the Iraq disaster and the rest of the “democracy deficit”.
lump o’ stepford boyfriend killer librarian
like it
OT
The Hersh article prompted a reply from a Rumsfailed spokes woman. It was a non-denial denial. It pointed out that Hersh used one anon. scource for the article and that Hersh and the scource had been wrong before. My question is, how does Rumsfailed know who the scource is, and that there’s just one ? I doubt Hersh has ever told him.
I face the facts that the Post is out of phase with America in that the Editors aren’t fazed by political realities …
Look what I found over on post.blog by that prolific E.”Greg” Ious: Plame: Does your editorial staff ever think about reading the front page from time to time, you know, just to keep up?
Also Kurtz’s treatment of Jill Carroll is just shameful. After being held hostage for so long, she deserves some time to regain her equilibrium and sanity. Kurtz needs to pick on someone his own size, which is to say small-minded.
Sharkbabe, great one on “Fitzual Healing.”
http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/Marvin%20Gaye.html
Jane, btw, great title.
Hey, did Ben Domenech write that editorial? It reads just like one of his redstate.org screeds. It’s the same unmitigated garbage the wingnut trolls have been spouting in blog comments for 3 years now.
the response by the DOD on Seymour Hersch is the customary “He’s a bad man with bad motives.” No commenting on the facts, just ad-hominem put-down…
Well, I gave the Post my 2 cents worth.
Hiatt really is an asshat.
angie, I really like your post at the WaPoo:
“Your pro leak, pro Administration editorial today is the most execrable offering you have served up. Yes, the President has declassification authority. No, he does not have the right to lie to the American people and the rest of the world in order to conduct an illegal war. This is shameful and your support of it is doubly shameful. The outing of Valerie Plame damaged our national security and was a vengeful act to quash any honest criticism. What next, Wapo, will you sell his nuclear strike against Iran? The Wapo has become a propagandist rag.”
withdrawal of support !!!!
withdrawal of support!!!!
cancellation of subscription campaign
– one to two months and then re-subscribe. (unsubscribe/resubscribe doubles the cost to the corporation)
downey must go
hiatt must go
the entire editorial page must be replaced with intellectually honest commentaters, whatever their politics
john harris and his gang of the national political reporters (perhaps amnesty to pincus)
woodward must go
little debbie must go.
who did i forget.
let them get their subscriptions from the right-wingers they pander to.
OrionATL - You know what? I really like that idea. Sure, burn em with admin costs. Do it! Cancel. Then subscribe. Then cancel. Then subscribe. Then…
A copy of my posting to the WaPo blog, plus some other stuff that got EPU’d in last thread:
EPU’d from thread immediately before this one:
I’ll be taking the stuff that Fitzgerald says about wanting an intelligent jury — presumably because he realizes that his argument is strong enough to prevail with such a jury — directly to my Freshman Rhetoric students.
Every semester I ask those guys why, when you have an argument, you want to win clean rather than win using illegitimate tactics. Most of ‘em can get as far as “Well, what if you have to argue with the same person/audience again?†But none of ‘em ever get that you argue honestly so as to increase the chances that the best argument will prevail.
If we can stop Bush and save our frigging lives, a useful further project would be to use the then-discredited Bush/Rove tactics to give the populace practical lessons in rhetoric. Especially since they have used, with success, all of the oldest damn tricks in the book. This was also done after Watergate, most notably in my knowledge by Wm. Lutz in his Doublespeak books and by The Quarterly Review of Doublespeak which he edited (and which is soon to be reconstituted online).
OT but following up on earlier thread –
The characterization of the 2004 candidates Tweety talked about on his show this AM were not from the Luntz poll — it was an article published in the current issue of the Journal of Research in Personality (Cheney, smart; Edwards, feminine; Kerry, depressed –too much negative language; Bush, “oldest” –must be the daddy thing.)
http://tinyurl.com/rxhfh Link to abstract
Link to WaPo mention: http://tinyurl.com/o4aoe
If anyone has library access to the whole article, I would love to see it. Want to read for myself to see if WaPo or Tweety were even close to characterizing the research correctly.
db (#47)
you got it, man.
ben domenech’s firing was just a public p.r. stunt.
ben hs really been hiding out in a room in fred hiatt’s office suite.
that (ass)hiatt.
the WaPoo filters wouldn’t let me use the phrase “batshit crazy” about their Editorial Board.
If this was your audition for the soon-to-be created position as the Post’s “liberal” blogger, you blew it, big time.
And if this is the best shot the Bushites and their allies have to muster- and it undoubtedly is- they’re not only up the proverbial creek without a paddle, but their boat is fast sinking. Jeez, does the Post look silly today.
hey . . . I just had a snarky little idea
WaPo Blog
one of y’all should get over there and defend Nixon’s or the Pentagon Papers shit, using today’s ‘arguments’ - a biting parody- think it falls outside my skill set but there are plenty of candidates here. you can probably Wiki some of their Watergate Era Highlights to fuel your imaginations
hmmmmm
What strikes me as one of the more ridiculous aspects of the whole Niger uranium scam is the fact that Saddam had no reason to have how many 18 wheelers full of uranium hauled however many miles it is from Niger to Iraq and across however many borders it would necessitate. It is my understanding that uranium is available in the ground in Iraq - so all he had to do is round up some Iraqis and give ‘em shovels. But Murkans fall for the dumbest crap I guess.
cbl, they are on it:
“Hiatt:
Love you man, especially when you get under the skin of these liberal attack dogs. Keep up the good work, I don’t mind you screwing around with the facts when you’re pushing Dear Leader’s agenda.
Posted by: El Loco | April 9, 2006 06:18 PM”
rcauthen - Would that it would be the case. I am sad to say that the American public is not smart enough to do as you suggest. We are several generations behind the rest of the World. It’s going to be a tough next several years after the nuclear problem. I hope you survive, Sir. I probably will be gone as I live in a big city.
OT, Sorry that this is off topic, but after going offline last night I had a horrible thought. LOL Yes I do sometimes have thoughts.
When we were discussing the NSA spying and someone posted about the Mental Patient, I believe, being arrested for saying he wanted to cut Bush’s balls off for what he did too our country we all thought WTF is wrong when DHS took this as a threat against the fearless leader, a mental patient a threat, give me a break.
Well if they’ll go after a mental patient for something like that, what will they do to citizens who call BushCheney all those new pet names on the Blogs. Would they arrest us for that? You know, a threat against Bush’sCheney’s Integrity, Honesty, Moral Compass or their Humanity {actually being Human Beings etc… etc…?
These people running our country are all MAD, INSANE and EVIL. Hitler would no doubt make anyone disappear who spoke out about him, who thinks that these EVIL SOB’S are any different?
He could have us arrested for sedition or enemy combatants under his revised Patriot Act and held without any rights under our constitution for as he would state “They are trying to undermine and overthrow MY GOVERNMENT and are a danger to our society”. It was neccessary to stop them before they could do The NATON any harm.
Don’t think for a second that we are all not being spied upon by the NSA. After all we know what a vile person Bush and Cheney are and that they will do anything to retain power.
If they would use NUKES, which I have no doubt they would, then we are all in deep shit. If the Military don’t stand down against using NUKES then we are definitly looking at World War lll. We are also looking at the end of America as there will be nothing left after Russia and China use their NUKES to stop there madness. It will also be the end of the World.
ABC Nightly News is going to do a report on the Iran Nuke possibility shortly, you might want to catch it. It will be the first time I think this will be on the National News on TV. Might be a thing as many Americans will find out what this madman may do.
Sorry if this doesn’t seem to be in the right thread, but it is a scary thought what Bush would do to our country.
*ilson46201 - Try Batquano.
http://goarmy.com has all the recruiting info for Fred Hiatt’s 3 children
Posted by: Wilson46201 | April 9, 2006 05:58 PM
LMAO.
Jane, it is not good to hold things in. Tell us what you really think.
From the post.blog:
I tend to have a positive appreciation for the Washington Post editorial today about Bush’s NIE leak. The fact that the discourse is being forced up the ladder from hack reporters, to partisan columnists, and now anonymous editorials means that there probably aren’t too many more cards to fall in this charade. As ranks close the attacks will undoubtedly become more vitriolic and concentrated by dint of there being fewer people willing to weigh in on the administration’s side of this. Their gene pool of logic and reason is shrinking by the day (Hello Arlen Specter!). Bush/Cheney/etc. are calling in all the favors they have this week so look for some good fireworks as they flail and flop around, looking for a handhold.
Posted by: Eric | April 9, 2006 06:07 PM
Hello, Arlen Specter!
I don’t agree it should be looked at as desperation (even if it is). The one-two punch of WaPo and Kristol today heralds a media swiftboating of Fitz. Don’t think they can’t do it and succeed at it, unless we stop them.
The corp media are Bushco’s handmaidens in evil, period. We have to both slice through them (a la V for Vendetta when the mass of people walk through the soldiers) - infiltrating the belly of their beast with our interestingness and truth, e.g. Christy, Kos, Maryscott, Greenwald, Arvosis (still mad at him though) - and continue our more fundamental creation of something new here that will ultimately put to rest the bullshit power of tv altogether.
Isn’t the big story here that they leaked information that they knew had been debunked? That’s pretty damn damaging, I would think.
This is just a superb post Jane. Really.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0409.html
“Some of the other commenters make good points. The Post should really fix that ridiculous, biased article by Gellman and Linzer on the front page today.
Posted by: Brainster | April 9, 2006 05:56 PM”
Jane, I’d finally cooled off after reading the Post hours ago, and you angered up my blood again.
Just cancelled my subscription, which was overdue.
If the shoe Fitz…
Jane — You’ve hit another one out of the park!
Siun — I’m pretty sure that was Iran-Contra, or BCCI or something else post-Watergate.
And what’s up with Lieberman — haven’t heard a word about him today.
I do think these creeps are getting scared, and desperate, but that only makes them more dangerous and the stakes are so high. Just interesting how the Dominionist/Millenialist/Zionist/Halliburtonist agendas all dovetail so well with Dubya’s psychopathology.
As for Iran, I literally had to sit down in a hurry for a minute earlier today when I realized that, in a very real sense, we’ve been living on borrowed time since Hiroshima and Nagasaki: MAD was fine during the Cold War but even then the real fear was that some rogue nation would… oh, wait, such delicious irony, the rogue nation is US.
gag.
what’s the link for these Wapoo coments?
Josh Marshall is shrill:
WaPo server is a mite busy about NOW. Heh, heh. heh. Poor devils.
Oh Jane, that was a work of art. Bra-freaking-vo.
Isn’t the big story here that they leaked information that they knew had been debunked?
Well, someone on the NYT reporting side kinda thinks so: Iraq Findings Leaked by Cheney’s Aide Were Disputed
WASHINGTON — President Bush’s apparent order authorizing a senior White House official to reveal to a reporter previously classified intelligence about Saddam Hussein’s efforts to obtain uranium came as the information was already being discredited by several other officials in the administration, interviews and documents from the time show. …
marky -
http://blog.washingtonpost.com.....aunch.html
WaPoo Blog http://blog.washingtonpost.com.....aunch.html
Link to WaPo blog:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com.....aunch.html
Thanks Jane,
I occasionally get on to reply to Christy’s pieces, but often not on yours (I’m commenting from Greece and the time difference is ten hours later here). This piece is a brilliant dissection of the misrepresentation up today on the WP editorial page (Hiatt) and such a smack down that I will be nominating it for several of the next Koufax awards’ bests, unless something better comes up. In the meantime, however, I will also suggest a new category for them “most accurate clinical analysis of political bullshit.”
My thanks to Christy as welll in addition to all of the commening individuals who provide so much provocative and informative content on the law and media coverage.
” The Washington Post “: at War with Itself
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp.....1002314409
It’s hard out there for a pimp.
rcauthen #54, very nice
still working on my lil’ piece of outrage - must pace self, they’re gonna get more than one
great post Jane
Nedra Pickler (love that name!) of the AP in the WaPo about Arlen etc and the Leaker-in-Chief http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....components
And here’s another shout-out to Knight Ridder’s Warren P. Strobel and Ron Hutcheson: Libby Testimony Shows a White House Pattern of Intelligence Leaks
… In November 2003, the conservative magazine The Weekly Standard published highly classified raw intelligence purporting to a show a link between Saddam and al-Qaida.
The Pentagon disavowed the report. But in early January 2004, Cheney told the Rocky Mountain News newspaper that the magazine report was the “best source of information” about the Saddam/al-Qaida connection. That connection has never been proved.
The WaPo is simply the Court Circular.
Well, I’ve just sent in my first to the WaPo blog:
Your title, “A Good Leak” is apt only in that a good leak feels good to the leaker. The editorial itself is rank hypocrisy, and Katharine Graham’s newspaper now reeks worse than stale urine. Hope y’all are proud of what you’ve accomplished here; the rest of the country, otoh, has more than had enough.
Is this what they mean by ‘writing for filthy lucre’?
“The one-two punch of WaPo and Kristol today heralds a media swiftboating of Fitz. Don’t think they can’t do it and succeed at it, unless we stop them”.
That “one-two” punch packed all the wallop of a Montgomery Burns haymaker.
I hope the Bushites continue in their feeble attempts to swiftboat Fitzgerald and his Untouchables. The brighter the light shined on his investigation, the greater will be the Joe & Jill Sixpack’s understanding of the stakes involved.
RE: Fred Hiatt, useful fool and/or cynical bootlicker
Someone here must have cited that old saw before, but it bears repeating:
The critical duty of all trusted newspaper editors is to separate the wheat from the chaff — and make goddamn sure the chaff gets printed.
“Be honest — when you first read “A Good Leak” didn’t you wonder for just a moment if the Post had been punked by Ben Domenech? The irony was just too rich having that editorial appear on the same day that the Gellman and Linzer article skewers the argument it makes by reviewing the facts.
Posted by: AJ | April 9, 2006 06:47 PM “
OT *ilson, loved your post about the Front Page/Editorial page split at the WSJ.
from the WaPoo Blog
Well, that’s it for me; if this paper isn’t good enough for Fred Hiatt (one of its own editors) to read, then why should I waste my time?
Posted by: Kevin N | April 9, 2006 06:53 PM
My cat refuses to use that paper. Says it would be redundant.