Did you have one of those moms who hung you out to dry on your own excesses? You know, as in "No, Mom, I didn't feed the broccoli to the dog. I'd never do that, you know how much I love broccoli." And suddenly you find yourself stuck at the table until you finish a whole plate of it.
I'm betting Patrick Fitzgerald did, because that's exactly what he's doing to Scooter Libby. The most enjoyable part about reading his new filing is watching him stick it to Scooter with the mountain of lies offered up by BushCo. as they attempted to distance themselves from toxic Plame fallout.
Scooter's main defense, as we all know, is that he was much too important and much too busy to remember something as insignificant as his conversations about Valerie Plame, and that he had no reason to lie about what he did. Fitzgerald is having none of it:
Defendant's request for discovery to show an absence of motive to lie or conceal his conduct overlooks the fact that even the materials defendant appended to his motion show that in early October 2003 (when defendant first gave his story) there would be great embarrassment to the administration if it became publicly known that defendant had participated in disseminating information about Ms. Wilson's CIA employment, and defendant would have had every reason to assume he would be fired if his true actions became known. The National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice publicly stated that she knew "nothing of any such White House effort to reveal any of this, and it would certainly not be the way the president would expect his White House to operate."
Can't...breathe...laughing...sides...hurt...
Also on September 29, 2003, White House Press Secretary McClellan stated that:
There are anonymous reports all the time in the media. The President has set high standards, the highest of standards, for people in his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration...
Oh stop, Patrick, I can't take it....yer killin' me...
Thus, as defendant approached his first FBI interview he knew that the White House had publicly staked its credibility on there being no White House involvement in the leaking of information about Ms. Wilson and that, at defendant's specific request through the Vice President, the White House had publicly proclaimed that defendant was "not involved in this." The President had vowed to fire anyone involved in leaking classified information. In that context, defendant proceeded to tell the FBI that he had merely passed information from one reporter (Russert) to other reporters while disclaiming any knowledge of whether the information he passed was true, and certainly unaware that he knew this classified information from government channels. Once that die was cast, defendant repeated the story in a subsequent interview and during two grand jury appearances.
He also subjects Libby to the most profound humiliation possible -- his own tortured prose. It borders on the cruel and inhuman.
I remember what an exercise in frustration it was to read this White House bunkum repeated without skepticism by a compliant press over and over and wonder when the hell someone was going to call bullshit.
PF has a second career in stand-up comedy if he ever wants it. Scooter is stuck at the table with a big, steaming pile of BushCo. balderdash sitting in front of him as he tries to defend himself. Dig in, fella.
And Fitzgerald is also slowly, methodically, inexorably driving a wedge between Bush and the OVP. Even as Bush depends on Cheney and Libby to keep quiet and protect him, he is forced to publicly repudiate and distance himself from them:
President Bush declassified sensitive intelligence in 2003 and authorized its public disclosure to rebut Iraq war critics, but he did not specifically direct that Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, be the one to disseminate the information, an attorney knowledgeable about the case said Saturday.
Bush merely instructed Cheney to "get it out" and left the details to him, said the lawyer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case for the White House. The vice president chose Libby and communicated the president's wishes to his then-top aide, the lawyer said.
Sweet.
Meanwhile, inquiring minds want to know: why is nobody in the press asking who the big donors are to Scooter's defense fund? We want names and dollar amounts, people.
Come on, Comstock. Cough 'em up.
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As usual, rollicking good stuff.
It’s like Homer Simpson when he was at the “Ironic Punishment Department” of Hades.
More gravely, the Sunday WaPo Plame/Libby story is up.
I come back often to this thought… Joe Wilson seems to have an easy civil rights lawsuit against the leak/disclosure/smear conspiritors in the Bush administration. Wilson has said before he would consider it. John Dean at FindLaw this week reiterated that a civil lawsuit would be reasonable.
Next week should be quite a week. PS - Go Busby, this Tuesday, CA-50!!
It’s like Homer Simpson when he was at the “Ironic Punishment Department†of Hades.
HA-HA
Fitz is wry … fwiw: my pitbabies love broccoli
Dayum Jane, you are quick with the link to that brand new AP article. Yup, sure looks like Bush is “preparing” to throw DeadEye and Scooter under the bus.
God, this is the best squeeze play of all time!! Fitz is absolutely the man.
Joe Wilson on This Week tomorrow. Yum!
Jane, can’t get out of my mind this picture as fitting for the Leaker-in-Chief: http://img1.travelblog.org/Pho.....mbol-0.jpg
“I’d never do that, you know [how] much I love broccoli.”
Prof, that is a great one!
Jane: Reminds me of a joke.
Woman: I’m a widow three times.
Guy: Sorry to hear that….what happened to the first husband?
Woman: Died from poisoned broccoli
Guy: Oy. What about the second hsband?
Woman: Died from poisoned broccoli
Guy: …….and the third?
Woman: Head Concussion
Guy: An accident?
Woman: No. He wouldn’t eat his broccoli
From the WaPo story:
The council’s reply, drafted in a January 2003 memo by the national intelligence officer for Africa, was unequivocal: The Niger story was baseless and should be laid to rest. Four U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge said in interviews that the memo, which has not been reported before, arrived at the White House as Bush and his highest-ranking advisers made the uranium story a centerpiece of their case for the rapidly approaching war against Iraq.
Bush put his prestige behind the uranium story in his Jan. 28, 2003, State of the Union address.
Dude, where’s my weapons?
It seems clear that the battle lines are drawn between Bush “take care of it”, and Cheney “ok it will all be on the up and up…”.
The only question is if their little dance around the LAW can be scammed through the courts and the public.
That is if they are blaming eachother to cover eachother, or they are blaming eachother in case one of them has to go down, or they are blaming eachother beacuse they know one of them has to go down.
Its so nice to see these asses finally getting burned for their own brazen acts and lies. Most of the folks here hear these lies and saw this evil for quite some time…and it was dis-heartening. But I hope now that Bush liar can reap what he has sown so that we do not have to.
“I’ll see your Raw Story and raise it,” say Josh Marshall and Laura Rozen
By Swopa
Apr 8 2006 - 5:31pm
Joshua Marshall and Laura Rozen say that a London Times story (hyped in a coming-attractions promo by Raw Story) on the Niger uranium forgeries — the documents that led to the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson — is disinformation from the Italian government, specifically the Italian intelligence agency SISMI.
http://www.needlenose.com/
the WaPo privileges us with a single word from the Sanctum Sanctorum: Bob Woodward’s notes:
It was at that moment that Libby, allegedly at Cheney’s direction, sought out at least three reporters to bolster the discredited uranium allegation. Libby made careful selections of language from the 2002 estimate, quoting a passage that said Iraq was “vigorously trying to procure uranium” in Africa.
The first of those conversations, according to the evidence made known thus far, came when Libby met with Bob Woodward, an assistant managing editor of The Washington Post, on June 27, 2003. In sworn testimony for Fitzgerald, according to a statement Woodward released on Nov. 14, 2005, Woodward said Libby told him of the intelligence estimate’s description of Iraqi efforts to obtain “yellowcake,” a processed form of natural uranium ore, in Africa. In an interview Friday, Woodward said his notes showed that Libby described those efforts as “vigorous.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00916.html
Can’t…breathe…laughing…sides…hurt…
Yeah there sure are high standards for working for Bush…being a rich robber baron, and knowing the snot gerrymandering, crony loving fool after (and before?) his gin drinking days and coke filled nights aledgedley ended.
Yeah have to be a special breed of asshole to work for Bush.
FDL rocks in all things Plameology. What are the WaPo poolboys thinking when you hit this thing over and over again? Aha, scooped again-hello-is anyone listening??? I have said it before and I will say it again. ALL ROADS LEAD TO CHENEY. Remember that Cheney said that he had the Preznit’s authority to authorize Scooter’s leak to Miller. Oh really? How do we know that W was even in the loop? This is a Cheney deal through and through. This is a guy who believes he has the same authority as W. On declassification; on shooting down planes on 9/11; on going after Wilson.
IT”S ALL CHENEY ALL THE TIME and Scooter is the Firewall. Let’s get out the TNT and blast it-Fitz knows what’s going on and he will bleed this administration dry in the runup to Scooter’s trial. This administration will only wish it had had a lethal injection.
John Casper says:
April 8th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
“I’d never do that, you know [how] much I love broccoli.â€
Jane - As I looked at the picture (noticing, of course, who is in it) and then started reading the words directly below it, I remembered that Mr. Bush’s father doesn’t like broccoli - delicious irony, perhaps?
apropos donors: would it be prudent for Ms. Comstock to let the White House know the names? She knows damn well what a mean vindictive son-of-a-bitch GWB can be…
After countless days and years of a teflon existence, maybe it’s the case that Bush and Cheney will be the ones to bring themselves down. I’ll take it.
Here’s my attempt at addressing the self destructive tendencies of the Unitary Executive with a comparison with Revolutionary France. It might explain why everyone is at everyone’s throat in the Bush Administration and why it may be the beginning of the end.
How sweet it is.
I had forgotten that, Stephen Parrish.
It’s like Homer Simpson when he was at the “Ironic Punishment Department†of Hades.
DoooH —– STUPID POETIC JUSTICE!!!
Hoist on his own petard! Heh, heh, heh
Go to Google, type in “failure” and press the “I’m feeling lucky” button… Bush
Go to Google, type in “liar” and press the “T’m feeling lucky” button… Blair
When they are both Bush we will have an impeachment party, or the Dems in control of something brewing up some real policy and wading through the liar and the mess we are in.
Scooter is stuck at the table with a big, steaming pile of BushCo. balderdash sitting in front of him as he tries to defend himself. Dig in, fella.
hee hee hee
So now the story is that Bush told Cheney to get the story out, but he didn’t specifically tell him to tell Scooter to do it. Looks like Cheney is going under the bus. Keep in mind that Fitz interviewed Bush and Cheney together. Bush has plausible deniability here, but at the expense of saying that Cheney was sitting there the whole time with Fitz and not fessing up.
Memo to Scooter: Bush can pardon you. Cheney can’t. Enjoy your weekend!
“Intelligence Leaked by Aide to Cheney Was in Dispute”
By DAVID E. SANGER and DAVID BARSTOW
Published: April 9, 2006
“WASHINGTON, April 8 — When President Bush authorized Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff to reveal previously classified intelligence to a reporter about Saddam Hussein’s efforts to obtain uranium, that information was already being discredited by several senior officials in the administration, interviews conducted during and since that crucial period in June and July of 2003 show….”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04.....r=homepage
major WaPo story on attacking Iran http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....82_pf.html
From the WaPo article that *ilson linked above:
“The targeteers honestly keep coming back and saying it will require nuclear penetrator munitions to take out those tunnels,” said Kenneth M. Pollack, a former CIA analyst. “Could we do it with conventional munitions? Possibly. But it’s going to be very difficult to do.”
Tasty. Very, very tasty. Maybe I don’t need that dessert now.
On one of these threads within the last day or so, I ventured the opinion that Scooter was not the only fish Fitz was after, and was merely using him as for the hook; as more and more comes out, I don’t think there’s any doubt that Mr. Fitzgerald has much bigger fish to fry.
The only question in my mind is how many of the players Fitz will be able to take out, either directly, or collaterally. It already appears that they are beginning to turn on each other. Think about it. Think about the organized efforts to sell the war: everyone in the WHIG had their part to play, and they all routinely fanned out to the talk shows to give us the hard sell. I’m guessing that at this point, many of them are frantically trying to track who they told which lies to and when. There’s hours and hours of video and audio on these people, and even if that doesn’t hurt them legally, none of them will be left with even a shred of credibility.
This latest talk about the nascent plans to nuke Iran should have us all on guard, because they are starting, once again to play the same game. That any Republican, or any Democrat, could be even remotely thinking that nuking Iran is a good idea makes me wonder what, exactly, is in the water these people are drinking. Are they even human? Have their brains been sucked out and replaced with remote control devices? They’re like Stepford wives, only evil.
Fitz on!
Damn, John. Ya beat me to it. Like a boulder rolling down a hill. The NY Times is on it too.
WaPo swallows Rove’s spin: these aren’t “nuclear weapons,” according to the WaPoo, they are “nuclear penetrators.”
thatKen Pollack ?!?!
of Brookings ?
new info from the NYTimes http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04.....wanted=all
But a senior official close to Mr. Hadley said that “it appears that the only three people who knew about the instant declassification were Dick Cheney, George Bush and Scooter Libby.” The official refused to be named because he was not authorized to discuss the issue.
I am not as worried about Al Queda as much as I am about Al Cracker!
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
An interesting note (re Plameology) from the NYT article, which is otherwise a pale version of the WaPo’s:
There is no conceivable, believable, credible, sensible reason for “leaking” material that was deemed to be in the public’s interest. We’re not supposed to be playing “Gossip” with national security, although that’s kind of what Bush and Cheney seem to have modeled their policies on. What’s next? Standing on the corner, getting tapped on the shoulder by a stranger, who says, “Psst…the CIA says Iran has nuclear weapons…pass it on?”
I’m sick and tired of my government treating me as though I had barely enough brain cells to form a coherent thought. Trust them? Not bloody likely…
Oh dear …
But a senior official close to Mr. Hadley said that “it appears that the only three people who knew about the instant declassification were Dick Cheney, George Bush and Scooter Libby.” The official refused to be named because he was not authorized to discuss the issue.
Why those three men were acting so quietly remains a mystery, and Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have never discussed it in public. Aides to Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney were beginning to suggest at the time that any exaggerations about Iraq’s weapons program had been the fault of the C.I.A., not the White House.”
D’oh!
I predict next week will be another bad week for BushCo! ROFL ; )
John Casper #16>”“I’ll see your Raw Story and raise it,†say Josh Marshall and Laura Rozen…”
The Times Niger story:
“TWO employees of the Niger embassy in Rome were responsible for the forgery of a notorious set of documents used to help justify the Iraq war, an official investigation has allegedly found.
According to Nato sources, the investigation has evidence that Niger’s consul and its ambassador’s personal assistant faked a contract to show Saddam Hussein had bought uranium ore from the impoverished west African country…”
“Everyday reality now is a complete fiction, manufactured by the media landscape and we operate inside it.” - JG Ballard
Another missing pin story:
It’s a fashion no-no to wear your badge when you leave the Capitol grounds—only a summer intern would do that. Pins, on the other hand, can be left on at all times. (The sergeant-at-arms does tell lawmakers not to wear their pins around town when there’s a high risk of terrorist attacks.) In 2003, Rep. Mike Ferguson wore his pin to the Rhino Bar and Pumphouse in Georgetown. A few hours later, the pin ended up in the hands of college junior Michelle Mezoe. He says she stole it; she says he tried to use it to pick her up. She only returned the pin after Ferguson called the police.
snip
Maybe the pins are bugged-hehe
Again, my blockquote came out wrong in #42 above. The interesting thing I was referencing in the NYT-Plame-Uranium story, further showing poor Judy how much she got screwed, is:
Man oh man oh man! O the delicious irony of it all. Eat that brocoli, Scooter!
Patrick J Fitzgerald may not be partisan, but he sure hates lying, and loves to pick off its little wings and its little legs one at a time when he catches himself one.
Jane, that is an awesome post.
Meanwhile, the NY Times is also braying for blood. One of the little mysteries is why JudyJudyJudy never wrote a story based on Libby’s leak. Well now we know:
Hahaha!
what I don’t get is the timing of the whole thing. Libby is talking to Miller on July 8 to rebut a piece Wilson wrote on July 6. But he spoke to Woodward on June 27. So did they know about Wilson’s piece before it was published, or was there a need to get out in front of a story that wasn’t yet published?
tocklit: Joe Wilson’s story was printed on July 6. It was written, and most likely, submitted earlier. I don’t remember what day of the week it was printed though.
Wilson had been ‘grumbling’ for some time before the famous Op-Ed including an anonymous piece by Kristoff in the NYTimes and a Pincus(?) interview in WaPo. Libby had been tracking ‘that loudmouth’ for a while - the open Op-Ed was the last unavoidable straw
From the Karl Rove stenographic pool at the WaPo:
“Preparations for confrontation with Iran underscore how the issue has vaulted to the front of President Bush’s agenda even as he struggles with a relentless war in next-door Iraq.”
Should read: Preparations for confrontation with Iran underscore how the issue has vaulted to the front of President Bush’s agenda, the distraction of the American people from his serial incompetence.
I love that Libby was leaking to Judy, Judy, Judy, the same day Powell’s doubts appeared on page one. So NY TImes, WP, Woodward, MSM in general … do you, at long last, realize how badly you got played? Come on, now. Confess it all . Our dead cannot speak … you must.
John Casper
“Nuclear penetrators”, nothing Freudian there, nope, nada. Maybe it’s something compensatory?
I read on the internets that the administration proof reads all their stories. So the terrorists don’t win us here.
Just wanted to give everyone a heads up — Amb. Wilson will be on This Week on ABC tomorrow morning. And Sy Hersh will be on CNN’s Late Edition. Thought everyone would want to plan accordingly.
Great article, Jane. :)
Hi everyone, just reading up after charting.
What a bowl of sweet and sour soup all this info is, Bush/Iran (scum), and Fitz/Libby et al. (hero). Lieberman, well he speaks for himself, vote Ned. Skimming fantastic comments and loving snarky posts. I’ll hit the links tomorrow, if they don’t drop the bomb in the meantime.
Norske is right: keep the faith and pass the key to the bunker.
Miss you
zen
David Brooks of the NY Times said that Plamegate “doesn’t have traction”. Has anyone else noticed that David Brooks always gets it wrong?
tocklit: Wilson was an anon. source for a Nicolas Kristof column a few months earlier. The WH had Wilson in their sites for a long time before he published his op-ed.
As always, Digby has managed to ferret out a juicy little morsel.
Rove played Cheney, who played Scooter…who got caught with his pants down. Poor Scooter.
from the WaPo Iran-attack story :
Israel is preparing, as well. The government recently leaked a contingency plan for attacking on its own if the United States does not, a plan involving airstrikes, commando teams, possibly missiles and even explosive-carrying dogs. Israel, which bombed Iraq's Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 to prevent it from being used to develop weapons, has built a replica of Natanz, according to Israeli media, but U.S. strategists do not believe Israel has the capacity to accomplish the mission without nuclear weapons.Guess what, gang? Israel has several hundred nukes…in addition to explosive-carrying dogs.
lina, ccmask, ilson. thanks. I keep on thinking that there will be a firewall between Libby’s actions and OVP & POTUS but so far nothing has proved my worst fears true. They’ve got to have something up their sleaves besides nuking Iran to divert our attention…..God I hope so.
cbl - Kenneth Pollack is no liberal…
*ilson at 62 —
“explosive-carrying dogs” — wtf??? Okay, that wins for weirdest thing I’ve read today.
The revelations are fast accruing and synergistically fermenting such that even Wanda Wal-Mart and Nick NASCAR can understand the VERY simple core point.
It wasn’t the blowjob per se, it was the LOOK-STRAIGHT-INTO-THE-CAMERA,-WAG THAT-FINGER-AND-LIE bit.
Bush, Cheney, and Libby all LIED (via both omission and commission). And if what they were doing was all so proper, noble, and necessary (as now lamely proffered), there was no need to do all this skulking shit and then lie about it.
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Crime_scene.jpg
I find it so hard to believe that we as a nation would attack Iran. But it is not the nation attacking, is it? It is Bush and his buddies who believe they can do anything in our name.
Perhaps we should plan for specific actions should a strike begin. Immediate action on the moment of bombing? Some waiting period to see what political reaction will be? Peaceful demonstration? Something more direct? I really think citizens should be gaming otions in th event of an attack, just like the pentagon.
Or is that how Bush intends to stay in power forever?
In addition to the stories about who “leaked”, we shouldn’t overlook what’s happening to the Administration’s defense that neither Bush nor Cheney knowningly gave a false view of the intelligence on WMD when they made the case for war. Recall that the claim that Bush/Cheney “lied” is the one that hurts them the most and the one they fight most vigorously to stomp on. But now we have two newspapers, the NYT and the Washington Post making exactly that charge.
From the WaPo article cited above:
“Tenet interceded to keep the [Niger/yellowcake]claim out of a speech Bush gave in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002, but by Dec. 19 it reappeared in a State Department “fact sheet.” After that, the Pentagon asked for an authoritative judgment from the National Intelligence Council, the senior coordinating body for the 15 agencies that then constituted the U.S. intelligence community. Did Iraq and Niger discuss a uranium sale, or not? If they had, the Pentagon would need to reconsider its ties with Niger.
The council’s reply, drafted in a January 2003 memo by the national intelligence officer for Africa, was unequivocal: The Niger story was baseless and should be laid to rest. Four U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge said in interviews that the memo, which has not been reported before, arrived at the White House as Bush and his highest-ranking advisers made the uranium story a centerpiece of their case for the rapidly approaching war against Iraq.”
And from the NYT: (thanks timewarp)
“Mr. Powell’s queasiness with some of the intelligence has been well known, but the new revelations suggest that long after he had concluded the intelligence was faulty, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby were still promoting it.”
The Libby testimony then confirms that Bush/Cheney et al were still in the lying mode in July 2003, long after the intelligence has been debunked. The trad press is now reporting as fact a prima facie case that Bush lied to take us to war.
From the WaPo 24 June 04, day after Fitz met with Bush in the Oval Office, you can still smell the preznit’s pants worn smoldering from fire : linked text :
“The leaking of classified information is a very serious matter,” said White House press secretary Scott McClellan, adding that Bush was “pleased to do his part” to aid the probe.
“No one wants to get to the bottom of this matter more than the president of the United States, and he has said on more than one occasion that if anyone — inside or outside the government — has information that can help the investigators get to the bottom of this, they should provide that information to the officials in charge.”
and this from the same article:
“Some lawyers representing witnesses in the case have speculated that the recent activity, including the interviews of the president and vice president, may signal that the investigation is close to completion. But others said they are less certain that the interview with senior White House officials represents a tying up of loose ends.
“It’s hard to believe the special prosecutor would be burdening the president with an interview unless they had testimony to the effect that the president had information,” said Floyd Abrams, a First Amendment lawyer representing Time magazine in the probe.”
I wonder how many false statements were made during those 70 min. No doubt they meant business and went in knowing exactly what to ask.
a U.S. Davy Crocket mini-tactical nuke still weighs 50 pounds so large St. Bernards etc would have to be used for delivery vehicles. Watch out for big dogs carrying gigantic ‘kegs’ with the Star of David !
*ilson46201 - One way for the chimp to get this Iran thing done would be to incite Israel with some of the special cherry picked lies about Iran. You know, say that Iran is going to invade Israel, etc. That way the Jews get to do the dirty work for the chimp. I’m not sure that Israel would be able to restrain themselves. You say they have nukes? Sounds perfect. Might make that area uninhabitable for 250,00 years. Sure, that would make sense to the thugs. Sure.
Fitzgerald talks shop with students
Top prosecutor speaks on challenges of job
By Angela Rozas
Tribune staff reporter
Published April 8, 2006
http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....hshore-hed
I said to my husband the day after they got reelected, “they will nuke someone before the end of this term.”
If this crowd had been in charge during Vietnam, they would have nuked N. Vietnam.
Are these the same dogs that are bribing the trees on the White House lawn?
immanentize - A stop needs to be put to them. A million or so in Wash. Shut down the gov’t and country. Throw them out on their ass. Unless that happens they might call off elections and bomb the whole Middle East.
Oh, this is good. A Family Affair.
Where are our Senators and Congresscritters on the Iran thing — or are they still worried about appealing to religious voters in November?
I’ve actually been pretty busy lately because my son’s been buying a house and has been staying with me until he could move in today. So I decided it was a good time to play catch up on some of the posts I’ve missed, and some of the links. The one that pretty much sent me into convulsive laughter was from the LA Times article Spin Cycle Springs a Leak that Christy referred to:
Thursday, Atty. Gen. Alberto Gonzales went further, saying the president has the “inherent authority to decide who should have classified information.” That wasn’t a surprise, of course. Earlier in the week, Gonzales testified to Congress that the president has “inherent authority” to order warrantless wiretaps of American citizens communicating with each other inside the United States.
Next week, it’s not out of the question that he’ll testify Bush has the “inherent authority” to suspend the law of gravity.
c_r_c,
I suspect the Israeli intelligence agencies are at least a notch or two above ours. They may like our monetary support, but our intelligence services? Not so much…
The problem with that immanentize is that because of how the US has cosistently acted most people in the middle east are prepared to believe any evil about you ( the US.) This for example. And believe me that’s mild.
I agree with the rest of what you’ve said BTW.
I understand that after New Orleans Bush has had Gonzalez check into the legislative history of King Canute controlling the tides off England…
immanentize -
Bush LOVES to crow that he is a Man of His Word, that he follows through when he says he’s gonna do something.
Now, while he’s obviously full of shit when it comes to actions REQUIRING the assent of others (like getting legislation passed), but, where he can order stuff unilaterally — like bombing Iran — ya gotta be nervous. He’s already said he — HE — will not permit “threats” to develop anywhere in the world.
I hope Sy is wrong, but I would not be at all surprised to flip on the news on morning to accounts of bombing sorties in Iran, followed by a ton of gory counterstrikes. Gonna be swell wathing video coverage of, say, a couple of our warships sunk or badly damaged with severe mass casualities, etc etc etc.
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Crime_scene.jpg
shoephone #64 -
yeah I knew that but thanks. he is wankerf***ingriffic- he evinced some contrition and what looked like actual introspection upon David Kay’s return but he’s apparently back on track for Armaggetion
c_r_c
You are expressing my deepest fears. I almost posted, “If we nuke Iran, then we do not deserve to exist.”
But then I thought of my wife and son and I just cannot imagine what we ought to do and what guilt we will all live with forever.
When Bush showed up in 2000 during the Florida fiasco — remember? he had a boil on his cheek. My friend said, “Boils are always Biblical.”
So, given what we know now, let’s take at face value the WaPo report that says Bush only told Cheney to “get it out there,” and did not specifically authorized Cheney to tell Libby what to say. Okay, what, exactly, was Bush asking Cheney to “get . . . out there?”
More false information that, by now, they knew to be false? Or
The fallback lie, which is that the major “judgments” from the NIE were unambiguous consensus about the nuclear claims; thus, even if the claims turned out to be unfounded, Bush had relied on them in good faith. I think this is the lie Bush authorized Cheney to “get out there,” and that’s what Libby and Rove were both trying to do. And let’s not forget that in addition to Hadley, Ms. Rice was also pointing reporters in early July in Ms. Plame’s direction, as part of the plot to discredit Wilson — who had implied that the WH had exaggerated the intelligence. If was the validity of the claims; it was the lying about the validity they were all trying to conceal.
I hereby withdraw my support for censure. I want the whole enchilada, and someone new, who hasn’t spoken before, needs to call for it.
“Boils are always Biblical.â€
just ask Rush Limbaugh !
“…say that Iran is going to invade Israel, etc. That way the Jews get to do the dirty work for the chimp…”
It’s actually always been the other way around. The Israelis are itchin’ to fight the Iranians…
to the last American soldier.
Bobby ,
I know you are right. There is a theory out there — about 12 years old — that once Congress creates a weapons system, then the President has the inherent authority to use it. I think Phillip Chase Bobbitt started that one. Bush is just the kind of guy to think that theoretical “authority” to do something is the same as “ought” to do something.
I tell the truth, I almost wish the rational generals would put a stop to this like in any other banana republic run by insane people.
BobbyG - Yep, we are about to see our swashbuckleing chimp crowing how he personnaly has saved the World by starting WWIII and creating a crater in the Middle East. I wonder how many have seen to pictures of Japan after the bombs. Info has been surpressed for a long time. The aftermath is sobering. Well, for me at least. The chimp has a devine calling.
re wilson ‘grumbling’
i recall a post SOTU quote from a former CIA source or somesuch to the effect
“I can’t believe they trotted out that shaggy dog story again”
cbl,
I put Pollack and Michael O’Hanlon in the same boat together. At this point I don’t really see a big difference between Brookings and the rightwing think-tanks when it comes to the “war on terror”.
Didn’t mean to imply you’re not aware of their shortcomings…
Re:Israel,
Can’t find it right now, but I know that about a week ago I read an article or post somehwere that indicated Israel did NOT want Iran attacked by the US. Too much turbulance right now, and the more radical palestinians — like Hamas — would act as second front soldiers for Iranian reprisals.
The only thing these guys can possibly want is chaos and a lot of dead civilians.
#66
ROTF LMAO!
Ohmigawd, I had never heard those names before. Wanda Wal-Mart! Nick NASCAR! You are TOO funny!
Good grief, was that really me two months ago with all the handwringing? Fitz really knows how to do this right. Just when they think they’re in the clear…
To see these corrupt bastards finally have their cojones getting squeezed… it goes beyond the most wildest form of schadenfreude. They deserve every second of misery they get.
I predict next week will be another bad week for BushCo! ROFL ; )
When was the last time they didn’t have a bad week? As best I can remember — with the exception of the first week of November 2004 — it was roughly spring of 2004, just before the Abu Ghraib shit hit the fan. Since then it’s been one long slow-motion trainwreck. Christ, I don’t know how they manage, because it’s really beginning to get fucking old to me.
immanentize -
Hear ya, my friend. Dangerous times ahead this year. Cornered rat of an arrogant, messianic President, jeesh. But, were he to order striking Iran and senior military officers revolted, we also have an unprecedented mess.
I have my doubts they would revolt (or resign in protest; look at the security-cleared congresscritters who’ve been privvy to all the Bush BS and simply kept their mouths shut to keep their jobs).
Meanwhile, inquiring minds want to know: why is nobody in the press asking who the big donors are to Scooter’s defense fund? We want names and dollar amounts, people.Â
Come on, Comstock. Cough ‘em up.Â
Exactly, I want to be able to gauge their reactions when little ol’ Scooty finally caves and flips (after the motions to dismiss are quashed).
immanentize - Any sane person would hold that view. I’m not talkin sanity here. The chimp is mentally ill. The only think predictable about the chimp is his chip on the shoulder.
Fitz is a great fucking prosecutor, but it scares the shit outta me to think he’s the only firewall we got. There’s nobody else in the wheelhouse.
Anyone going to vote for Scott’s Mom?
Quote: I am a Republican,” she said. “But I know we must set partisan politics aside and do what’s best for Texas. That is why I am running for governor as a Texas independent.”
avenging_angel -
Thanks for the props on the jokey names, but don’t overlook the serious point. It really is now SIMPLE, getting close to understandable even by the Tonight show “Jaywalking” demographic.
The lying was not necessary in light of all the propriety, authority, and exigent necessity they NOW claim to have been the case. That Dog Won’t Hunt Quail.
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Crime_scene.jpg
ccmask ,
If I were a Texan, I’d vote for Kinky.
Briefly delurking. I friend today said “it’s getting to the point where you don’t have to be a liberal to hate George Bush.”
Frank Probst: Cheney and Bush were interviewed together for the 9/11 Commission. They were interviewed seperately by Fitz in the Plame investigation. I’m not sure about Cheney, but Bush was accompanied by his private criminal defense attorney during his 70 minute interview. As was the case with their 9/11 testimony, neither the Pres. or the VP were under oath when talking to Fitz. Lying to investigators, even when not under oath, is a crime and we know how Fitz responds to liars who trip up his investigations.
“The only thing predictable about the chimp is his chip on the shoulder.”
Bush is utterly “well-balanced.” He has a big chip on EACH shoulder.
http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Crime_scene.jpg
IMO, anyone advocating bombing Iran, particularly with nukes, is abso-fscking-lutely insane and needs to be locked up. If they’re in office (elected or appointed), they lose the office, permanently, before they get the white coat strapped on them. Lose the key to the padded room, too.
Nuking Iran opens the entire can of worms. There won’t be a WW4, because there won’t be enough survivors to hold an election, never mind a world war.
#36 The only question in my mind is how many of the players Fitz will be able to take out, either directly, or collaterally.
Would this be praying for too much? In no particular order:
Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, Hadley, Rice, Addington, Fleischer
Could Fitz possibly take ‘em all out?
At the third anniversary protest of the war on Iraq, I brought my old signs that read: No War on Iraq, and I crossed out the ‘q’ and put an ‘n’ in its place.
If anyone has their old signs, I think we should use them in this way to drive home the point that they are doing it again on Iran.
ccmask,
“Anyone going to vote for Scott’s Mom?”
Not me. Dem party across the board.
you don’t have to be a liberal to hate George Bush.
That is both comforting and disturbing at so many levels…
{Hi, Valley!)
‘…I friend today said “it’s getting to the point where you don’t have to be a liberal to hate George Bush.‒
Wanda Wal-Mart and Nick NASCAR can even comprehend the B.S. The dawning awareness of the toxic overdose combination of incompetence and lying…