(Tonight's guest poster is David Neiwert of Orcinus.)
The snow crunched loudly beneath my feet in the winter of 2000 when I walked the short distance from the roadway back to the Aryan Nations compound near Hayden Lake, Idaho. At least, it seemed loud, because the place was so quiet: an eerie quiet, really, considering the noisy gatherings I'd seen here in years past.
There were still plenty of reminders: the large swastika on the roof of one of the storage sheds, the AN shield imbedded in the stained-glass window of the compound's "church," the high watchtower where armed guards with swastika armbands had patrolled. But they were all gone, this time for good.
The stillness, more than anything, brought an almost overwhelming sense of relief. Part of that was the knowledge that the neo-Nazis who had operated the place since the mid-1970s had, finally, been put out of business by the Southern Poverty Law Center. For those of us who had watched a procession of hate and criminality come marching out of the compound gates in the intervening years, it was a moment that couldn't have come too soon.
In a sense, it represented the end of an era for white supremacy. But it hardly meant the end of it. Whatever relief we may have felt, it was tempered by that knowledge.
The compound represented an era when white supremacists were relegated to the fringes of American society. And while their tireless efforts to promote racial hatred were now muted, their simultaneous efforts to gain mainstream acceptance -- particularly by disguising themselves and muting their core beliefs -- had obviously begun to take root.
What was most disturbing was, even in 2000, the way the mainstream conservative agenda was beginning to resemble the politics of longtime racists like David Duke and Richard Butler, the Aryan Nations leader: bashing welfare recipients, attacking affirmative action, complaining about "reverse discrimination," calling for the elimination of immigrants. Since then, this trend has only accelerated, to the point that old-fashioned haters like Duke and the National Alliance are finding their ranks thinned by followers who just become Republicans.
Conservative-movement bloggers have not only played a critical role in this trend, they have proven to be the most reliable way of transmitting ideas from the racist far right by repackaging them in mainstream clothes, and even worse, generating sympathy for racist beliefs. This is why, as Atrios suggests, so much of the right blogosphere has the appearance of a "racist freak show."
Even before there were blogs, however, it had become clear that white supremacy was finding ways to creep back into the mainstream. This was particularly evident in the popularity of the so-called "militia" (or Patriot) movement of the 1990s, which was a direct offshoot of the Aryan Nations' "Christian Identity" belief system, which promoted the notion of seemingly mainstream "Christian Patriots" as their ideal followers.
I had occasion over the years to talk with a number of these "Christian Patriots," and was struck by their seeming normalcy. As sociologist James Aho demonstrated in the stereotype-busting text The Politics of Righteousness, most of them were reasonably well educated (if narrowly so; humanities education was notably lacking) and lived as most of us do: in suburban neighborhoods, raising kids, paying taxes, voting, attending the PTA. Their racist beliefs were something that came out only when you began asking the right questions.
Beyond this core, many of the recruits for the Patriot movement were strikingly similar: deeply conservative, susceptible to conspiracy theories, and hateful of the very idea of liberalism. Many of them rejected racism and white supremacy, at least overtly; and they rejected the notion that they were being recruited into a movement with racist roots and intentions, especially since these realities were well disguised.
The same phenomenon can be observed in today's Minutemen, only on a massively broader scale, and perhaps more importantly, with the blinkered cooperation of the mainstream press, which has continually failed to explain to readers its permeation by racist elements, beginning at the top.
The main mechanism for converting mainstream conservatives into right-wing extremists and white nationalists is a process I call transmission: extremist ideas and principles are repackaged for mainstream consumption, stripped of overt racism and hatefulness and presented as ordinary politics. As these ideas advance, they create an open environment for the gradual adoption of the core of bigotry that animates them.
This strategy was first enunciated by Patrick Buchanan back in 1989, in a nationally syndicated column that expressed a level of kinship with David Duke, who at that point was building momentum in a bid to win the Louisiana governorship. Buchanan thought the GOP overreacted to Duke and his Nazi "costume" by denouncing him; he urged:
Take a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks.
It was a simple formula: Look at the issues that attract white supremacist votes, strip out the racism (or anything inimical to good public relations for the GOP) and present them to the public as fresh, "cutting edge" ideas. In the process, you'll attract a lot of middle-class white voters who harbor unspoken racial resentments.
Back when Richard Butler's Aryan Nations operation was being shut down, I interviewed Michael Barkun, one of the nation's leading experts on Christian Identity, and he predicted that this trend would become more common as traditional white-supremacist organizations fell by the wayside. "Obviously, Butler is just about the last of his generation and certainly the group by all appearances seems to be moribund," Barkun told me. "In a sense, while it has a high public profile, it is in many respects the old order, and in that sense the victory may not mean a huge amount, because I suspect that the problems are going to come from groups that are much more adroit in the managing of their public image than Aryan Nations ever was."
As I observed previously, the nature of Butler's demise -- through his culpability for others' actions -- forced the radical right to go in two different directions, according to Barkun, since the success of groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center at driving outfits like his out of business "puts even more pressure on the organized groups to distance themselves from culpability, and therefore have no organization at all or radically decentralized organizations, or organizations that look to be simply avenues for presenting their views to the public.
"One way of protecting yourself was to advocate leaderless resistance, and another was to take the kind of position that Butler and his fellow defendants did at Fort Smith, saying, 'All we're doing is presenting opinions, and therefore we can't be held accountable. This is all either protected speech or free exercise of religion.' So I think that these groups will go in one of two directions -- they will either fragment into small cells that are even more difficult to trace and monitor, or they're going to try to look like interest groups and therefore claim that whatever they're doing constitutes not the advocacy of violence but simply the expression of ideas."
As Max Blumenthal explained in some detail recently in The Nation, the increasing reliance of the mainstream right on repackaging old racist-right appeals has forced those traditional racists to amp up their appeal in new directions:
Back in those good old times, in 1982, explaining the Klan's anti-immigrant advocacy, Duke said, "Every new immigrant adds to our crime problems, our welfare rolls and unemployment of American citizens.... We are being invaded in the southwest as if a foreign army were coming over the border.... They're going to take more and more hard-earned money from the productive middle class in the form of taxes and social programs." And Duke called for the deportation of all undocumented immigrants and harsh penalties for businesses that employ them. "I'd make the Mexican-American border almost like a Maginot line," he said, referring to the militarized barrier France constructed between itself, Italy and Germany after World War I.
At the time, Duke was widely dismissed as little more than a turbo-charged version of the paranoid style--"the Klan's answer to Robert Redford," as reporter Patty Sims described him in 1978. But today his anti-immigration rhetoric sounds not so remote from one of top-rated CNN host Lou Dobbs's fulminations during his daily "Broken Borders" segment. Duke's Klan Border Watch, meanwhile, served as the forerunner and inspiration of the Dobbs-touted Minutemen groups that have proliferated from the Mexico border to Herndon, Virginia, the city that hosted the American Renaissance conference, where disgruntled locals hold regular protests outside a day-labor center. Under pressure from Colorado Representative Tom Tancredo, chair of the House Immigration Reform Caucus, and with sponsorship from House Judiciary Committee chair James Sensenbrenner (tough-talking heir to the Kotex fortune), the Republican-dominated House has approved a bill that makes it a felony to be in the United States illegally, mandates punishment for providing aid or shelter to undocumented immigrants and allocates millions for the construction of an iron wall between the United States and Mexico. Duke may have fallen short on the national stage, but his old notions have gained a new life through new political figures.
"Tancredo, he's pretty good. I would probably vote for him for President," Duke told me.
For self-proclaimed white nationalists, however, the mainstreaming of some of their ideas has created new challenges. "Immigration was the white nationalist movement's hot issue, but it's really left beyond them," said Devin Burghart, director of the Building Democracy Initiative at the Center for New Community, a Chicago-based civil rights group. "They've gone through this before, where they've had to reinvent themselves. Now, they're searching for a new issue to take them forward."
Right-wing bloggers have played a central role in this, but in a way that reflects the extent to which they are simply another cog in the conservative-movement propaganda machine. Carefully examing how the right blogosphere operates, as such, reveals important truths about the nature of the larger movement.
So let's take a good look at how it's structured. The first thing you'll notice is that right-wing bloggers are generally careful to never express any overt or naked racism. Instead, what they do is act as a transmitter, taking an old far-right appeal or idea and present it as a fresh, if "politically incorrect," way of thinking.
Michelle Malkin -- certainly one of the leading lights of the right-wing blogosphere -- provided us with a vivid example of this in a recent column, with a charge that she later repeated on national television and on her blog:
Aztlan is a long-held notion among Mexico's intellectual elite and political class, which asserts that the American southwest rightly belongs to Mexico. Advocates believe the reclamation (or reconquista) of Aztlan will occur through sheer demographic force. If the rallies across the country are any indication, reconquista is already complete.
But as Alex Koppelman at Dragonfire pointed out:
You might expect Malkin to give her readers some evidence that Aztlan really is "a long-held notion among Mexico's intellectual elite and political class," but she never does.
Why? Because Aztlan and reconquista these days aren't, for the most part, ideas held by Mexicans: they're ideas held by white supremacists and neo-Nazis. The myth of reconquista stems from a misreading of one of the founding documents of the Chicano movement, "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan."
In much the same way that the Black Power movement meant the words "Black Power" in a metaphorical sense, that is, as a call to African-Americans to recognize after years of being stigmatized that they too were people with something to contribute to society, "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan" was an appeal to nationalism as a means to achieve a greater self-awareness and self-esteem.
But that's not the way some white supremacists, fearful of a brown mass ready to take over the United States, has interpreted it.
A simple Google search shows that the people talking about Aztlan and reconquista are predominantly not Mexican (though there are some radical fringe groups) but white supremacists.
Malkin, in truth, was simply following in the footsteps of the most prominent right-wing blogger, Instapundit Glenn Reynolds, who for several months in 2004 was likewise promoting the "reconquista" notion while arguing, groundlessly, that the student organization MEChA was a pack of "fascist hatemongers" comparable to the Klan.
But in Malkin's case, the thread from far-right extremism to mainstream consumption is especially pronounced, since she herself has a considerable history of dalliances and associations with extremists and far-right organizations, most notably VDare, the SPLC-designated hate group that publishes not just Malkin's work but that of Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor.
Malkin, of course, has never explained her association with VDare, just as Reynolds never recanted his groundless smearing of MEChA. Similarly, they never confront the effects of their reliance on old appeals from the far right, because that would undermine the whole enterprise.
Rather, they trot them out for consumption and play coy about any of the deeper implications of what they're saying. Then, they leave it up to their readers to complete the connection.
Thus, the editors at sites like Little Green Footballs, Free Republic, or RedState provide few substantive instances of outright racism -- but plenty of examples of repackaged extremism. Their commenters, however, are another story altogether; as we've seen, their audiences are all too glad to revel in the underlying bigotry.
The end result is a poisonous environment in which not merely the ideas, but the endemic attitudes and worldview, of the racist right receive not just fresh clothes but a whole new generation of adherents. This is why, for instance, so much naked eliminationism aimed not just at illegal immigrants and Muslims but, generically, "treasonous" American liberals has become inextricably interwoven with right-wing rhetoric in recent years.
The old way of the neo-Nazis gathered in remote woods and burning crosses has, thankfully, mostly melted away with the crunching snow. But the residue that has remained, unfortunately, is much more difficult to confront because it is far less obvious. And this, in truth, makes it potentially much more dangerous for us all.
Previous posts in the series:
Educating Wolfie by Pam Spaulding
Right Wing Racism: Steve Sailer by Armando
Let's Go Real Far Right... by Matt Stoller
Matt O. over at The Great Society has been compiling racist quotes from right-wing websites. It is quite a resource.
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Oliver Stone is on the Henry Rollins Show right now…on IFC. Stone is giving the media and Bush a kick in the gut.
Stone says he has so much media power that he can easily become a dictator.
cc, it’s just you and me babe, there’s some kind of spacetimecontinuum thingy - the post keeps disappearing and reappearing on my system
I wish I could write like that.
Just when you think FDL can’t get any better we get some David Neiwert. Wow.
David that’s an amazing piece.
‘All we’re doing is presenting opinions, and therefore we can’t be held accountable. This is all either protected speech or free exercise of religion.’
If that isn’t a portrait of the right-wing blogosphere I don’t know what is. If it works for the Aryan Nation I guess it’ll work for the bigotsphere, too.
Jane Hamsher painted such a flattering picture of Oliver Stone in her book.
/sarcasm
Great post, and welcome!
OT: kos on Colbert Report tonight.
david neiwert is the best writer in blogtopia (yes! i coined that phrase!)
OT - Speaking of guys named Rollins, Jimmy Rollins’ hitting streak ended tonight at 38 games.
http://philadelphia.phillies.m.....p;c_id=phi
Pach: thanks for the head’sup on Colbert! I keep missing that show…..
Jane’s book was great. Oliver Stone was really good tonight though….
Thanks for your great post, David. When I was searching the rightie blogs for examples of racism the other night, I was concentrating on the headliners and not the commenters, so it seemed like the pickin’s were slimmer than they should have been. Now the lightbulb just went on with your observation that “Thus, the editors at sites like Little Green Footballs, Free Republic, or RedState provide few substantive instances of outright racism — but plenty of examples of repackaged extremism. Their commenters, however, are another story altogether; as we’ve seen, their audiences are all too glad to revel in the underlying bigotry.” Aha!
Ann Coulter spoke at UF a few days ago. A number of my students went. They all thought she was really racist. Some of them thought she was a not-very-funny-comedian.
BTW-Nightline is hammering Bush pretty hard–title of the story:
Leaker in Chief.
Spot on. A terrific post.
I did a Master’s Thesis project about right-wing extremism online, and I’m constantly struck by how similar the rhetoric found on righty blogs lines up with “white power” groups like the National Alliance. Eliminationism, calls to “action” but no direct incitements to violence and the constant refrain of victimization, as if they were simply free thinkers being denied a platform for their original ideas.
clueless, answering your EPU’d question–the TV segment did not say whether Abu was under oath. Not that it would have made any difference in what he said.
This was a great, packed post. Thank you.
Thank you, David, for joining in our discussion of this frightening topic. I have visited your site a number of times and admire the incredible work you’ve done on this for the blogosphere and for your community. Can you give us any idea about other steps we can take to address this in a more concrete way than we are already doing? As you may know, we are a tight-knit group who work pretty well together here and with other blogs on action we hope makes a progressive impression.
Rep Delahunt cut off Abu from a non-answer about a closed-door briefing, when he started talking about all the hours he’s spent answering questions on the Hill.
Signing statements- we intend to abide by the laws, but we can’t give away authority under the constitution.
Yeah–Another Rep referred to thier role in NSA as that of a “potted plant” in the eyes of the admin and the DOJ.
Great, very thoughtful post, and it highlights the mainstreaming of very extremist ideas. When I heard about Renolds talking about the hate mongering racists and MEChA, I thought it was a hoot. I had friends in MECHa when I was growing up and knew it was a pile of BS. It took me awhile to realize it was serious business -that Reynolds was talking to people who never would know anyone in MECHa and wouldn’t know it was BS.
I was dumpster diving for bigoted comments the other night and noticed something else on Reynolds blog and others. And that is that 9/11 is being used an excuse for the New Racism. I read it dozens of times: “9/11 changed everything.†And also the attitude that if one didn’t believe that, one was very very dense and just didn’t get it.
I think objectively, the idea that “9/11 changed everything†is wrong. I cannot think of one important thing about the world that we knew the day after 9/11 that we didn’t know before. We knew all of the following before:
-political and religious extremists around the world were willing to use terrorist violence against civilians (includeing so-called Christians in the US)
-Radical political Islamic terrorists had committed mass terrorism against civilians and mass attacks against soldiers and were plotting more
-the US government had been is a semi-war mode with Al Qaeda, and considered him a threat.
I think it was even public knowledge that highjacked airplanes might be used as bombs. I think there was even a simulation for that scenario run by the FAA and military in the 90s.
The only really new thing that I can think of is that their hero was humiliated that day, and that there is very good evidence that the Bushites blew it big time wrt to the danger of terrorism hitting the US. That might be what 9/11 really changed for them.
I can’t think of much that was brand new geopolitical or idelogical knowledge revealed by 9/11. It was horrifyiing and evil, but was it unimaginable? So I guess I just disagree with them on that. But surely they predicate a great deal of their attitudes on that idea. And it is very powerful emotionally -look at the reaction to the trailer for the Flight 93.
If anyone thinks that I am wrong on 9/11, let me know. But there is no doubt in my mind that this justifies of a lot of attitudes -including those on race and bigotry- that would not have been considered healthy before.
Sorry, feel like I’m hijacking, but Abu is under oath per a question by either Schier (?) or Jackson
Shorter Neiwert: take the loony out of the boonie, he’s still goony.
I agree with you, wesgpc, I have seen just that phrase on redstate and LGF as well. It is as though it is a ticket for the far left to justify thier position and untenable rhetoric.
Since much of the BushCo has come out, I have wondered where the Black Helecopter crowd was, there were the militia groups who thought the government was out to get them.
The 40 something white males who haunted the gun shows and doing pretend war games. Since my Ex was two shades off of Tim McVey, I wondered where they were hiding.
The things you need to understand how scary they are. I would be walking around Cour d’laine, Idaho and some Yahoo would say…. “you had better not walk around town with those two chink kids after dark”…..I was with my two adopted Korean children, because some “fine ” citizen was sueing me following a land sale.
I have posted this on another comment about the hatred that is spued here in Phoenix. KFYI had a talk show hosts spout off about shooting them all when they cross the boarder. The Minutemen gather before it gets too hot and strut around with guns on their hips. Fat White boys with binocs ready to spot those brown people. State Rep Russel Pierce and others like him gather media time and spout that the Governor is NOT doing her job.
Monday will be a place to watch. They are predicting 100,000 protestors to march through Phoenix. The state & city have already issued road closures with exits being blocked off the freeway which looks like a design to prevent marchers joining in.
The other issue is Sheriff Joe (the slime ball, costs the county millions in law suits) He is wacky enough to have tanks out there and we can see something along the line of Tiananmen Square. He is a media hound and will do anything to be in front of a camera.
The last march scared them so much when so many “brown” people showed up. There is a State Rep who has been advocating that the city should of arrested them all the last time. Then add the minutemen who are on the boarder…..
Incredibly well written and frightening post, thanks David. Nightmares put to prose– they are among us and don’t need the hoods and robes anymore– they are assimilated. ugh.
Abu won’t even look at Debbi, queen of Fla politics.
She is hitting hard on FISA/NSA and the fact that Abu admitted they first were told they couldn’t get a warrant. She compares it to her kids!
Love her.
Excellent post. Bravo! Well said!
Cleter-
Ann Coulter spoke at UF a few days ago. A number of my students went. They all thought she was really racist. Some of them thought she was a not-very-funny-comedian.
Well, isn’t that sort of what she has become? A b-list teller of racist jokes for the far right? I was saying at my blog a while ago that she’s sort of like right-wing performance art now. Is it really that far from “liberals love terrorists” and “Joe McCarthy was a great man” to sticking yams up your ass for crowds?
Coulter should just open a gallery space and smear herself with canned cat-food on a nightly basis while ranting through a bullhorn about immigrants. It would be an improvement over her current gig.
wesgpc @ 8:46 pm - All I think changed on 9/11 was that a new generation of half-wits became aware that we could be attacked here. Those are the ones now explaining how dense the rest of us are.
And, yes, 9/11 is being used as an excuse for racism, just as Japanase expansionism was used as an excuse during the 1940s, Chinese Communism was an excuse during the 1950s, and Vietnam was an excuse during the 1960s. As David Neiwert wrote, illegal immigration has been an excuse for many years.
The sad fact is that they really don’t need an excuse, but they’ll always find one.
zennurse -thanks. But I hope you meant far “right.” Be careful, they are watching us too, you know. I saw examples of our extremist (ie, liberal Republican, center and on to far left) “hate speech” posted on the reactionary wingnut sites.
Superb, David, as always. It’s fascinating how these individuals interweave their tracks and appeals.
Well, I’m long on observation and short on strategy. The best way of fighting that I know of is simply disseminating information about them. Educating the public is, in my mind, the first step.
I think a lot of liberals often appear so spineless because they simply don’t comprehend the nature of what they’re up against. They’re usually terribly unprepared for 21st-century right-wing behavior because they still operate in a 20th-century frame of normalcy.
The only way to shake them out of it is to wake them up. Unfortunately, I think people like me who try to tell them are dismissed as alarmists, even if we do it even-handedly and with substantive evidence.
So my sense is that, if we want to talk strategy, the first job is to wake up the average liberal. How we do that, I don’t know, other than by doing what I’m doing.
David,
I’m another of your admirers who visits your site periodically. Notice that I don’t say regularly. I can’t. It depresses me if I read it too often. But I can’t stay away forever, either.
I do think what you address is important, and praise be to you for braving that cesspool, so often, for us. Thank you, thank you, for all your great work.
I need to say it again: great post. Great dissection of the ecosystem on that side.
Cujo359 April 6th, 2006 at 8:53 pm: Yes, you make a good point. The excuse isn’t new. But we have to figure a way to counter it, since it is always new in the minds of otherwise reasonable people who are susceptable to it. And I think the emotional punch of 9/11 makes up for the fact that objectively, the idea that it revealed a totally new potentially catastrophic threat, well that idea is weaker than all the other excuses you mentioned. But it hits people so hard, it stops thought.
Speaking personally, I have no problems with the loony black helo crowd. The more of them there are, and the more loony they are, once we are back in charge of the White House and Congress, the more of an anti-rethug curettement we’ll be able to carry out. The loony right will legitimate the (necessary) political pogrom against those rethugs who court their vote (the Duncan Hunters of the world, with their militia-outreach programs).
I absolutely agree with rwcole. Let’s focus on getting a clear Democratic mandate in November, then focus on impeaching the preznit. After George is in an Orange jumpsuit, we go after the rest of them.. be they loony-right-sympathizing rethugs or rethugs-in-Democratic clothing. In southern cal, we start with Hunter and Issa :)
The project here — the only overarching master plan — is the total destruction of the Republican party. Nothing less.
I was a student at U of ID and a summertime lifeguard at the Coeur d’Alene, Idaho city beach in the early 1980’s. The Hayden Lake racists were just north of town and would often walk up and down the beach boardwalk with their shirts off displaying their racist tattoos.
Zennurse,
It was Sensenbrenner who reminded Gonzales that Congress authorizes the budgets for illegal spying programs and thus shouldn’t be treated as a potted plant.
Gosh, thanks, wes, of course I meant Right Wing in my #23, I apologise!!
To the NSA screener, I meant on the right, not the left. Please do a search on me and you’ll know how gentle I am. Honest.
OT - Sort of. I have a local public service program of the local PBS station on. A commentary by a guy named John Keister was just on. He was talking about immigration. He made the point that the only two countries in the world that have an income gap as big as the one between the U.S. and Mexico are North and South Korea. This gives you an idea, he said, of how much border control will be necessary to stop illegal immigration.
Not sure this is entirely true, but it certainly makes you think.
OT, but thanks to neurophius and cleter for educating me on EPU on last thread!
Bobby Scott from VA is hard hitting and not letting Abu getting away with rhetoric at all.
David, the extremist used to hide in compounds and train their youth. Now they have become mainstream Radical wingnuts and we feel like hiding in a compound to excape their hate.
We have to do the same that they did. If they hit us once, we need to hit back with both fists (this is figuratively). If they SCREAM, we need to march in the thousands back. They are the bully boys from our childhood but we are adults now and we can stand up to them.
You did a great job of refecting just how radical they are, how important it is to shine that 1000 watt spotlight on them to show the world just how radical they are. From someone who survived living close to those compounds.
Re David: “Look at the issues that attract white supremacist votes, strip out the racism (or anything inimical to good public relations for the GOP) and present them to the public as fresh, “cutting edge” ideas. In the process, you’ll attract a lot of middle-class white voters who harbor unspoken racial resentments.” You finish by referencing the difficulty of confronting “the far less obvious.”
I get it now. Being shown all the racist, bigoted garbage in the world doesn’t cause the significance to crystallize until the interpretation is made about how feelings, often primitive or unacceptable and out of our awareness, are being intentionally exploited.
This resonates in the same way Jane’s earlier post does: “Any support that people have for Bush’s ability to wiretap without warrants is largely based on the internalization of this phony notion, that Bush uses these powers to keep them safe.
It IS important to have examples to support an interpretation, but the connecting of the examples to experiences that many otherwise good people can begin to recognize in themselves is the mechanism whereby insight and shifts occur. You might have to repeat an accurate interpretation 60 times, but the elusive and labor intensive task of arriving at the correct interpretation is complete.
Well done.
wesgpc says # 20
Sad thing is I predicted it. I was visiting my ex-boyfriend in NY at WTC2 circa 2000, I said to he and his friend who also worked there “Aren’t you afraid of working here?”. They said no-way because didn’t I see the tough security to get into the building?…”well yeah but they could fly planes into the building or something.” I wish I was kidding on this one it is just too eerie (sp?).
There is no excuse for shredding the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That is the highest priority, our country will survive attacks but our country may not if we are not vigilant.
Love the work on the outing of the racist right. We got a racist email at work today the woman emailed it to everyone she knows from her work email. Very offensive. Made me think of the good work FDL is doing on this.
David, keep on doing what you’re doing. You write so well and we appreciate it.
It will take a while for people to learn that this is real, isn’t isolated to any one state.
“White Pride” people do seem to be getting bolder these days, though.
David,
Sometimes, I think, speaking in a balanced way just gets you ignored. That’s why we do smashmouth snark around here. We offend people with truth, by design.
I feel as though their xenophobia and rage is a product of our own failure to deal with globalization. I mean, they always speak as though globalization is the cause of so many ills ‘over there’, but we are also forgetting that their fear mongering and hate is contributing to our isolation and loss of standing in the world. I resist referring to the talibanization of America, because though I deeply despise them (the Taliban), I believe that further denigrates Islam by attributing the actions of the Taliban as representative of the vast majority of Moslems. We have our own very American problem and it will prove to be the downfall of our country if not stopped. With new communication technologies, the things America does or does not do is no longer hidden from the rest of the world and your work is an opportunity for the world to see that some of us care. Thanks again for the post.
Thanks David, will do.
I appreciate your response. I hope what we plan to do with the collection of culled comments and posts by addressing the media complicity will have some effect. We’ve target Wolf Blitzer, are there any other media personalities who are repeat offenders, in your opinion? I think that there must be, but I don’t watch TV, I just support our action because I believe these folks are egregious mishandlers of the truth of what is happening in the country. Two or three comments from a Chris Matthews or a Wolf Blitzer goes a long way toward framing the thoughts of a large group of otherwise un-savvy viewers.
zennurse >”…She compares it to her kids!”
Great strategy & one that should be replicated by others; ReThuglicans are behaving like 8 year old children
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” - H. L. Mencken
David, it’s great to see your work at FDL. You truly have walked into the belly of the beast and that experience is really helpful in pointing out the subtle, but far more insidious, forms of racism exhibited by so many RW bloggers. Thanks.
wesgpc @ 8:58 pm - Wish I could offer hope. This is largely a function of the primate brains we were born with, IMHO. It’s a natural tendency to divide ourselves up into little groups that jealously guard their territory against all competitors. This behavior seems to be endemic to most social mammals.
The only thing I think that can counteract it is the light of day. Some people will always hate, but there are plenty of others, I suspect, who might or might not depending on their experiences. Arguing with these people about their wacky ideas will probably prevent some from following them. But some people won’t be willing to examine their assumptions, and those will probably remain the bigots they are now.
I can offer no panacea short of gene therapy, and I’m not sure how much of our genotype we’d have to change to get the effect we wanted, or if what we created that way would be even remotely human.
David — there’s nothing “extreme” about what you do. It’s only people’s discomfort at facing this stuff that makes it seem so, the appropriate word would be “courageous.”
I know this isn’t a hot, fun topic like a lot of stuff we cover here but I think it’s really important. I really appreciate everyone — contributors, commenters and readers — who are participating.
MsAnnaNOLA April 6th, 2006 at 9:12 pm: No, your “premonition” of a plain flying into the WTC was not eerie. I remember visiting the WTC in the late 90s and had this spooky feeling of the whole place coming down in flames. The memory of that really spooked me after 9/11. But, then I remembered that Islamic extremists tried to blow the place up in the early 90s. I wonder if a lot of people subconsciously remembered that when they visited. So, not so eeire after all. But is is more evidence that the “9/11 changed everything” is not sound reasoning. But emotionally very powerful, and certainly a new excuse for racism and bigotry.
BTW -I actually came across of few interesting sites with lots of interesting and uncensored give and take in the comments. But the top 100 that FDL wants to look into -my goodness, were they depressing. ?Dreary, predictable, and irrational, IMHO.
David, thank you for this thoughtful, educational and incisive post. I just scanned the comments quickly, but you said something about being an observer, vs. ? Being an observer, that is an accurate and astute observer, is a rare gift. Much to be treasured. In a completely different context, the other eve on FDL, I had occasion to remember a phrase “they have eyes, but they see not”, but I couldn’t remember the source, or find it on google, tho I suspected that it was from the King James version of the Bible. An FDL commenter provided a link, and as it turned out, I had not remembered the text exactly right. Rather, it was “eyes have they, but they see not” from Psalm 115 http://www.poemsforfree.com/psalms.html
I am not a religious person, and only have a passing familiarity with Bible text. But, for some reason, the words came to mind. And, given my lack of knowledge, I don’t know what the larger context was for the particular bit of Psalm poetry that I remembered. I hope that I am not misreading in the larger context. But, nonetheless, someone who has “eyes to see” is to be celebrated. Many thanks
Wow David, Been visiting your site since the Koufax nominations and now you’re here - Welcome !
As part of an FDL homework assignment, sent off some gems from right wing sites
(Malkin, LGF, NRO, etc.) to SPLC just to make sure they were aware of the hate emanating from so called mainstream sites - all camo’d up in code words of course
Rilf @ 37 (odd name)– then the other guy borrowed the potted plant phrase, it’s a great metaphor.
Thank you for a great post.
OT:
Sr. Administration Official Rejects Possibility Bush Illegally Leaked Intel
“By definition, the president cannot leak,” the official said. “He has the inherent authority to declassify something. …It’s like accusing a shopkeeper of shoplifting from himself.”
“The administration was engaged in a heated debate over the substance of Joe Wilson’s charges,” the senior White House official said. “You bet.”
That official said today that “very soon after that we declassified the entire NIE” to further refute claims made by Wilson — that Iraq had no nuclear aspirations.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Poli.....amp;page=1
Official, my ass.
So, the refuted claims were not refuted…I’m confused.
Watching the muslim cartoon episode of south park, its brilliance is indescribable
Why a Hairstyle Made Headlines:
She stood there wearing a coral-colored jacket and dangling earrings and raising the serious issue of racial injustice. But it was impossible not to stare at her hair. As your plainspoken mother might say, it appeared to be standing all over her head.
Everyone has a bad hair day, whether it is straight hair that goes limp, curls that turn frizzy or kinky hair that becomes unruly. So it would be reasonable to think that McKinney’s hairdo should not have elicited anything more than a shrug or a knowing and sympathetic whisper among black women, “Girrrl, did you see her head?”
Instead, talk turned ugly on blogs about her news-conference hair. It became the impetus for all sorts of racially driven insults about her locks and their natural texture. A black woman’s hair is an easy, timeworn source of racist mockery. It has become an exhausting cliche of self-loathing whether it is kinky, hot-combed, braided, locked or chemically relaxed. (Indeed, plenty of black folks see all kinds of dire race-traitor undertones in Condoleezza Rice’s smooth, controlled cap of hair.) A black woman’s hair is a bottomless source of inspiration for essays, books and documentaries.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....02341.html
wesgpc #53
Yes. The bombing was absolutely on my mind. I was really shocked when it happened. I had been more aware than most from Louisiana about “the real world” because for example having been to France and cops with oozies at the airport and no trashcans on the street/in metro because of bombing potential.
Sort of on topic: True Stories of Bizarro Racist Louisiana World/David Duke: 1) Actual sign seen in Livingston Parish LA (unfortunately had to evacuate there for 6 months!) “David Duke for President” and oh they are serious. 2)Predominantly Catholic South Louisiana a girl on my floor at college freshman year decided to go under cover and interview him. She got him on a hidden microphone saying that he wanted to divide up the united states into different areas. Each ethnic/religous/minority would have their own area of the country. It went something like this if memory serves: New York=Jews, South LA=Cajun, South FL=Hispanics, and so on and so forth but with many being much less obvious. In short Catholics had their own “area” because they were to be cordoned off from the rest of the society…in other words he hates them too. Oh and the bizarre part is they elected him to the state Legislature. Thank goodness we had the crook to vote for for Governor instead!
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Maxine Waters is nailing Abu and giving him what for. You go girl !! on C-SPAN2 now
Instead, talk turned ugly on blogs about her news-conference hair. It became the impetus for all sorts of racially driven insults about her locks and their natural texture. A black woman’s hair is an easy, timeworn source of racist mockery. It has become an exhausting cliche of self-loathing whether it is kinky, hot-combed, braided, locked or chemically relaxed. (Indeed, plenty of black folks see all kinds of dire race-traitor undertones in Condoleezza Rice’s smooth, controlled cap of hair.) A black woman’s hair is a bottomless source of inspiration for essays, books and documentaries.
Wow, ccmask. That’s a great find. But talk didn’t turn ugly and racist on blogs — it turned ugly and racist on right wing blogs. Considering the no small amount of effort the WaPo has devoted to smearing left wing blogs, I think they need to be more specific here.
I know, I know, here we go again…
ombudsman@washpost.com
Everybody has to get it right some time.
“Everybody has to get it right some time.”
Jane, you are more of an optimist than I am. ;)
ccmask @ 9:33 pm (#58) - He may be right about the President’s authority (I think it has at least one or two constraints), but the shoplifting comment is offensive. First of all, it’s not the President’s information, it’s the government’s. Second, it’s not a petty crime. This selective “declassification” was a part of the justification for the Iraq War, and if it was wrong and they covered it up that’s a major crime, in my book.
They might also take a gander at this part of EO 13292:
[emphasis mine]
IANAL, but it seems to me that the deliberate concealment of information through classification, while similarly sensitive information is released, could be considered either 1.7(a)(1) or 1.7(a)(2).
Jane-read the whole story. I wanted to post the whole thing it was so bad…
hi david, great to see you post here. i was over at your site today and followed a link about the minutemen and the nazi flag. i followed the comments and there was a discussion about whether it was to overt to use the flag, that maybe they should be more discreet. anyway, i also noticed they were planning a protest in front of the mexican consulates right here in seattle on april 10th, i was thinking of going and representing the anti racist , or whatever. anyway, once again, great to see you here, btw, i’m the annie, jesse’s mom, next door to mike and faye in ballard. get in touch if you have any urge to hit the protest. keep up the awesome threads.
Anthony Weiner, Rep from NY, asks Abu directly about the leak issue, asks what his job was at the time, Abu is saying he can’t recall whether he ever talked or thought about it. Weiner is asking what the penalty is, Abu says he “does not know”. Has a very, very smirky face, Asshole.
zennurse: I know exactly what you mean.
zennurse:
Can you imagine Feingold/Leahy/Kennedy/Greenwald or Christy Hardin Smith(yessss) sitting there as AG? Gonzales’ smarm and stoopid prevarications are making me quite queasy. Nite all.
ccmask @ 9:37 pm - Read the article. OK, she’s funny looking. That should make her easy to identify. I’m starting to wonder how bright you have to be to get a job as a Capitol security guard.
Does the WaPo think that now that the Philly Phanatic is red, people won’t recognize him? If you don’t know what I’m talking about, and no sensible human being would, here’s a visual aid.
hey, has anyone suggested adding to the censure resolution the request that Bush personally pay for the costs of the Fitzgerald investigation?
zennurse @ 9:56 pm (#68) - Weiner is asking what the penalty is, Abu says he “does not knowâ€.
I’m betting it rhymes with “one ton of hoe”.
Cujo: True. Her hair was a mess. Bad hair days sure do suck.
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The politics of hair - Neal Boortz edition (from Pandagon)
BOORTZ: For instance, or for goodness sakes, jump in and I’m gonna say — I’m gonna start out with something controversial. I saw Cynthia McKinney’s new hair-do. Have you seen it, Belinda?
SKELTON: No.
BOORTZ: She looks like a ghetto slut.
SKELTON: Well, how is it?
BOORTZ: It’s just — it’s hideous.
SKELTON: Is it braided? Or –
BOORTZ: No, it’s not braided. It just flies away from her head in every conceivable direction. It looks like an explosion in a Brillo pad factory. It’s just hideous. To me, that hairstyle just shows contempt for — no, it’s not an Afro. I mean, no, it just shows contempt for the position that she holds and the body that she serves in. And, I’m sorry, there’s just no other way to — it’s just a hideous and horrible looking –
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A poster wrote this:
not gonna contribute much of depth, because there’s not much point in a real dialogue on “that was increibly racist and misogynist, the FCC should be on his ass, not Janet Jackson’s boob.â€
zennurse or anyone–
What is the stated purpose of Abu Gonzo’s appearance at the House Committee hearing?
Scheduled events for dates
4/6/2006 - 4/6/2006
Thursday 04/06/2006 - 9:00 AM
2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Full Committee
Oversight Hearing on “The United States Department of Justice.”
Here’s my by now repetive take.
1. For the NIE only, I think that the President has the “power” to declassify.
2. It is my understanding, though, that while the Pres can establishin an Exec Order declasification procedures, pursuant to other law, once he sets the procedure in the order, he is bound to follow it. I don’t know if we have info to know whether or not he did that, but it seems “shakey.”
3. The words misuse and abuse come to mind also. A finding that power exists is not conclusive to a finding that power has been appropriately exercised, and misuse of power/information and abuse of power might be issues.
4. Fitzgerald’s filing indicates that the President did not know about Libby’s involvement in the outing of Plame: “During this time, while the President was unaware of the role that the Vice President’s Chief of Staff and National Security Adviser had in fact played in disclosing Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment. . .” But IMO, outing a CIA agent would, if the President were involved, be a different thing. The Exec might have power to declassify, but that is a different power than the power to violate Congressional statutes, like the Intelligence Identities Act. The only basis of power for that, IMO, would be some kind of emergency implicating the necessary and proper powers and those would be ???????? It also raises a question on the Leopold article, re: the emails. OTOH, the languge in the filing is careful “during this time, while the resident was unaware” doesn’t rule out that the President was made aware shortly thereafter. fwiw.
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Non-Plame from old thread - I keep thinking that Sensenbrenner’s newfound decision to act like a chairman and push a bit just might be tied to things he hears from people back in Wisconsin? Some of them have to be over the moon about Feingold - right on so many calls so far and just tough as nails. You just wonder if any of them have said, “yo Sensy”?
MsAnnaNOLA #61:
Yes, too bad about some attitudes in LA. I used to have a number of friends there going to school -Tulane, Xavier, LSU. There were certain places -mainly in the northern half of the state and sections of SW out by Lafayette where the friendliness just went away if a mixed race crowd showed up (particularly if men and women were part of the mix too). Not every place by any means, but a lot of places.
But I love the gulf coast around NOLA, and hope things go well. I am scheduled to go to MS to help reconstruct some stuff in a small town this summer. Talked to a fellow just back and said people were living in tents where he was. I hope you are back home, or will be soon.
Thanks Angie. They seem to be covering a wide range of topics. You would think that congressional oversight of the justice department, with all the issues it is involved in, would deserve more than five minutes of questioning per member of the committtee. There is very little time for in-depth questions or follow-up.
Great post. I just discovered your site today, thanks to FDL, and spent some time reading until the sheer weight of awfulness overcame me for a while. But I’ll be back.
Re wash post on Cynthia McKinney:
Some time ago there was a bit of discussion about how when women get elected/appointed all the press seems to cover is their fashion sense or lack thereof. This whole article falls into the WTF. This is news? Granted she has been in the news lots the last couple of days so being in the spotlight suddenly makes her a target…but this is rediculous. Talk about her policy positions or what have you but bringing up her and Condi’s hair makes a farce out of the fact that they are powerful women.
PS Not defending Condi. She makes my skin crawl because of her proximity and participation in the WHIG lies.
I just hate how guys can have no style/be unattractive/look weird + be powerful but no one ever notices ie: Karl Rove. Either start making fun of weird looking white men in power or STFU.
Limericks on assimilationism
We eat tapas, sashimi, and roes,
Lamb tagine, and then flan. Heaven knows
What cuisines we’ll accrue
In our melting pot stew
As assimilationism grows
http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.p.....ilationism
goodnight and good luck
MsAnnaNOLA #81:
I think there is definitely a double standard. Remember how the nickname Scalito was deemed evidence of anti-Italian bias? Then there is the anti-neocon = anti-semitism canard. That kind of thing needs to be called. Sometimes in the press, these kinds of breezy racial references and talk might be considered evidence of sophistication and cool, or something like that. But I don’t think it belongs in real news or real news commentary.
Leslie-I forgot to thank you for the head’s up on C-span 2. AbuG got his ass kicked wrt abortion by some bald haired pissed off democrat.
Oh, sorry for my bald racism :)
So this is how they are going to win elections.
Democrats are going to start “dissappearing”.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=1814181
-GSD
Mr. Pinochet, dinner for one?
wesgpc: I am home luckily and have been for a while! Good luck in MS I just read FEMA shut down tent cities for volunteers so I hope they make some other arrangements for you and your group. Any little bit helps there is an overwhelming amount to do.
I must share this before bed. I read this at tpmcafe the other night and it really made me cry, but I think it may be helpful for others to understand:
Being Poor Like the NOLAS
http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/28359
Bon nuit!