I've spent the afternoon listening to Bob Woodward try to explain why he used his Watergate credibility to convince people that a legal imbroglio he was intimately involved in was nothing more than "gossip" even as he failed to admit he was one of the gossipers. Then Len Downie got to go to school on Bill Keller and try to bail his paper out of the Official White House Stenographic Pool. Neither were particularly successful.
Woodward's cast-iron refusal to act like a journalist and name a source who will undoubtedly be revealed as time goes on most assuredly and permanently bestows upon him perpetual Chief Stenographer status. His mea culpa was even more embarrassing than Judy Miller's (at least the Times named Libby as Miller's source upon her release from jail -- shit, who thought that sordid affair would ever be invidiously compared to anything?) The Post's up-and-comer status as the "paper of record" to replace the NYT was dealt a serious blow as they refused to buck their star reporter's desire to play White House suck-up. Today he verily laughed at any suggestion that he bore some professional obligation to the Post.
But enough Woodward bashing for the moment -- we have other fish to fry. What did we learn about Woodward's source from today's round of dissembling? Well we learned a hell of a lot more from Len Downie than we did Booby, that's for sure. Let's review:
1. The source is a man. Downie was quite specific that "he" did not want to be publicly identified at this time (and Downie apparently knows).
That lets out Matalin, Condi and Hughes (apparently).
2. Bush released a statement today saying that neither he, Andy Card, Dan Bartlett, Colin Powell, George Tenet nor John McLaughlin were responsible. Since in all likelihood the identity of Booby's source will become known sooner rather than later, we are going to give a group of known liars the benefit of the doubt for the moment.
From the NYT:
Mr. Cheney did not join the parade of denials. A spokeswoman said he would have no comment on a continuing investigation. Several other officials could not be reached for comment.
3. The source was interviewed by Woodward for his book, Plan of Attack. Now while he may well have interviewed people he never mentioned, we'll assume for the moment that if he had a casual, friendly relationship with the person he would most certainly want to flatter them with inclusion, because that's the kind of hard-hitting, edgy journalist he is.
Not mentioned: Bolton, Fleitz, Wurmser, Hannah.
Mentioned: Hadley, Cheney, Fleischer.
Okay, I'm knocking Fleischer out because he's cited in the indictment, a good indication that he came in and played straight with Fitzgerald from the start. Whoever this person is he either didn't tell Fitzgerald about the Woodward interlude, or hasn't been questioned by Fitzgerald yet.
In order to telescope it down further, I'm going to leap over to what potential scenarios of events could've been.
A few days before the Libby indictment was announced, Woodward evidently went to his editors and said "um, Houston, I think we have a problem," and mentioned he might be needing to do a story about his own involvement.
Oh the laughs they must've had in the Post newsroom over that one.
This was around the same time that Rover was doing one of those furious Wylie Coyote backpeddle things trying to get out of the way of the anvil that was poised to drop on his head.
And the night before, on Thursday, October 27, Michael Isikoff asked a question of Woodward on Larry King:
ISIKOFF: I talked to a source at the White House late this afternoon who told me that Bob is going to have a bombshell in tomorrow's paper identifying the Mr. X source who is behind the whole thing. So, I don't know, maybe this is Bob's opportunity.But Woodward put everyone's suspicions to rest:WOODWARD: I wish I did have a bombshell. I don't even have a firecracker. I'm sorry. In fact, I mean this tells you something about the atmosphere here. I got a call from somebody in the CIA saying he got a call from the best "New York Times" reporter on this saying exactly that I supposedly had a bombshell.Protecting your sources is one thing. Nobody put a gun to your head and told you to lie your face off in the process, Bob.The reporter at the New York Times was Doug Jehl, and evidently the whole NYT Washington crew had spent the day trying to track down the rumor that Steve Clemons was also privy to -- namely that Fred Fleitz was going to be the subject of a Woodward article
Now as Swopa notes, Michael Isikoff has a history of being a Rove water carrier. But Fitzgerald probably isn't as easily distracted by bright lights and shiny objects as Isikoff is. It's entirely possible -- and I'm guessing probable -- that in order to hold Fitzgerald off at least for a while, Rove had to give up somebody quite real. I doubt any of his lame Adam Levine excuses gave Fitzgerald "pause," but it would definitely suit Rove's agenda to have Libby be the first guy out there on the limb. And as Digby noted, it probably served the White House's agenda too -- they might have even made some sort of sacrifice play to evade the mortal blow of losing Rove and Libby on the same day.
Which puts Cheney in the possible category and places pretty damn good odds on Hadley.
Hadley was Deputy National Security Advisor at the time, and putatively the information clearing house for leaks. After Karl Rove spoke with Matt Cooper, he reported back to Hadley about it with the now-infamous email on July 11. The Washington Post described him as the "eyes and ears" for Cheney at the NSC, having served under him as assistant secretary of defense during Bush 41.
It was also Hadley's job to coordinate Tenet's apology for the "16 words" he didn't put in Bush's speech, and perhaps more significantly, was a member of the White House Iraq Group (WHIG). He was also reportedly running around at one point and telling people he thought he was going to be indicted.
Although I've seen his name listed online as having appeared before the grand jury, I can't find any hard evidence of it. It seems likely that Hadley would've made an appearance, given his membership in WHIG and the fact that he was a recipient of the Rove email, but if it is him, he must've conveniently left out his early conversation with Bobby. In which case I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now, because having listened to himself mis-quoted on the news all day and called "Inspector Clouseau," Patrick Fitzgerald is probably in quite the mood.
Second possible scenario -- Scooter is indicted. He hasn't got much hope of mounting a defense, but what hope he does have could entail calling reporters with whom he spoke and didn't talk shit about Wilson. He calls Woodward and says "listen, man, I just want to tell you -- this is coming down the path." Woodward knows he's going to get the Fitzgerald nod, phones his other source and warns them, and they come forward. Problem with this is, Woodward was already talking to his editors before Scooter was indicted. So I'll put this in the "unlikely" column.
Third possible scenario -- and this one is the wild card. Reddhedd thinks that with all the extra stuff in the indictment that didn't need to be there, Fitzgerald may have been telegraphing to someone that he had the dirt on them, and that's what provoked the sudden attack of candor and/or memory retrieval. And the Digby corollary is that watching Fitzgerald come down on Libby for perjury with 30 years' worth and a demand for hard time probably scared the living bejesus out of some of them who decided they just didn't want to play spin the bottle with the Special Counsel just now.
Which could mean Cheney. But as both Digby and Pachacutec have noted -- it is totally out of character for Cheney or Bush to back down and give Fitz (or anyone else) anything. Which leads back to Hadley or Cheney in the Rove sacrifice play.
One thing is for certain -- we will probably know sooner rather than later who Booby's source is. Libby will no doubt put any such information in his pleadings, and my guess is that the White House is going to want to get all this stuff aired and out of the way before the SOTU in January. So I think this is going to be a very, very festive holiday season for all of us.
And to everyone who was crying "it's over, Fitzgerald's done" after the Libby indictment, I'd like to say...Merry Fitzmas, y'all...
(graphic by Monk at Inflatable Dartboard)
Update: Steve Soto thinks Libby and Cheney gave up Hadley to establish Libby wasn't the first leaker. What this gives Libby in Fitzgerald's eyes I'm not entirely sure, but if true it's getting ugly.
Laura Rozen thinks it's not Cheney because Woodward says his source didn't believe the information was classified, something Cheney would most certainly have known.
John at Americablog likens the Post to a roomful of monkeys typing and says there is something quite peculiar with Woodward's timeline (via Jeralyn).
Crooks and Liars also has the clip of Downie's tour-de-force performance on CNN. You can see for yourself What Woodward Hath Wrought.
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jane, if you’re still around, what do you think about this question I posed:
I read today that Pincus said that Booby asked him not to include his (Booby’s) name in any of his (Pincus’) reporting because Booby was “afraid of being subpoenaed.” If a person has information that, if revealed, would result in a federal prosecutor issuing a subpoena to you, at what point does it become obstruction of justice to fail to come forward?
enigma4ever: The Pincus piece on June 12 is sourced to “according to the senior U.S. officials and the former government official”. Note both the plural senior officials, and the presence of a former (wolf?) official. Is this the same team that leaked to Woodward? So even if Woodward told Pincus something, he had a whole assortment of WHIGs to confirm.
Terry: Those americablog inconsistencies make it seem like what Woodward is dissembling about is his motive for coming forward. I do think he is being vague about that, and making up a cover story as he is going along.
Which leads me to wonder about how he kept assuring people that it was all stuff people had heard from reporters. He said that with that sort of “I’m predicting this but really know it for a fact” air. Is it possible Mr.X said that his source for the information was a reporter? Not that it was, but perhaps that is part of the whole mix of why Woodward was so blase about the whole affair. Besides being a collossal jerk and apologist for war criminals, I mean.
Jane- Yet another grand slam hit straight through the smoked glass that allows me (and I’m sure others) to see things more clearly. Thanks for that.
No wonder you have such a knack. If you deal with dogs all day, you’re the perfect person to be evaluating this administration.
-Monk
PS - (hat in hand) double check that link to me. ;) ‘darted.blogspot.com’
Fitz Bullworth!
DC sex workers should be up in arms against Booby for bringing prostitution into ill repute.
Well written- well reasoned..
Nice job Jane!
Raw Story says it’s Hadley
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/....._1116.html
Soto connects dots from Hadley to Condi to Bush
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/006039.php
The timing of the Woodward perfidy sure seems like it was the consequence of Rover rolling over.
If Rove did turn, what’s the likelihood he’ll get off scot free?
That’s a serious question, btw.
Damn, what a post. I used to think I was a pretty fair writer until I got into this blog thing and started reading folks like Billmon, Digby, and Jane.
Yes! I’ve been waiting to read this…
: grabs a Sierra Nevada :
: grabs laptop and heads for couch :
-Monk
BTW, Jane (or anybody else), do you know anyone with Lexis? Here’s a comment at Needlenose a little while ago:
Any idea how to retrieve an earlier version of Kurtz’s article for tomorrow’s WaPo? I could swear I saw a version — a copy of which I alas did not save — updated around 9:30-9:40 p.m. EDT this evening that made explicit that Woodward’s source went to Fitzgerald after Woodward contacted his source in the context of his renewed aggressive reporting on the whole Plame affair. In other words, whether Woodward’s source had already testified and therefore was at risk of a perjury charge or not, the source wanted to get to Fitzgerald to tell him all about his revelation of Plame to Woodward only because he learned that Woodward was likely about to go public with it. However, when I checked back less than an hour later, Kurtz’s article (updated at 10:23 p.m. EDT or so) no longer contained the all-important sentence or two that made this point…
Seems like this might be a candidate for the version-retrieval trick Josh Marshall pulled a couple weeks ago.
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Bush at 34%. Pass it on.
Holy shit!
The title of your post deserves a Koufax!
whew, thank god, the Woodmill photo is not at the top of the page anymore.
Swopa:
If it’s not too late, email Josh. He may be able to retrieve it.
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Rove hasn’t been indicted for one very good tactical reason. As a person being investigated he and his goons can’t swiftboat Fitz. This allows Fitz to go about his business without having to fight a fierce public relations battle.
At some point this tactical consideration will fade and Rove will be brought to justice.
Swopa — I tried Nexis a la carte & it wasn’t up. I’d try emailing Jeralyn, she links :)
That was me with the comment over at Swopa’s, and I am currently kicking myself for not immediately saving a copy of the Kurtz article. The trouble is that this was one of those articles on washingtonpost.com that was updated several times over the course of the day, so I think it may fall into a different category from JMM’s amazing catch the other week — Marshall caught an early print edition of an article preserved on nexis, if I’m not mistaken. It’s not clear to me that nexis will archive each succeeding version of an article on washingtonpost.com that eventually gets finalized for the print edition. But tomorrow I’m going to try to track down the earlier version of Kurtz’s piece, which I swear was substantially as represented above.
jane jane jane, i am addicted to your posts, not since billmon has the web had anyone so gifted
If it’s Hadley — Condi more formally joins the suffering. Serious reduction in presidential (and vice-presidential) potential.
If it’s Fleitz or Wurmser or Hannah — the Neocons absorb yet another body blow. Can the Aspen Roots survive many more of these?
If the polls keep on freefalling, Bush eventually chucks Cheney. Post-SOTU. The troops start heading home. The GOP switches gears for 2006.
Thought: Any chance old friend Wolfowitz could be tied to the Woodward revelations? A former SAO, much-interviewed in Woodward’s stenographies… Probably not, but probably shouldn’t be too far off radar.
Oldgold,
I really like your analysis.
Regarding Woodward as Chief Stenographer, he should resign or be fired; he brought the Post down like Judy brought the Times down. Unacceptable. Inexcusable. Woodward has got to go.
Jane, Editor & Publisher is interpreting Todd Purdem’s article as pointing the finger at Cheney as Woodward’s source. See “NY Times’ Wonders If Cheney Is Key Woodward Source,” http://www.editorandpublisher......1001523755
Grampa — yeah but Purdem never asked about Hadley. Believe me I checked.
I’m not sure Cheney’s silence is significant, although it well might be.
san mateo:
Miller is to NYT as
Woodward is to WaPo as
Ledeen will be to NRO
annie — thanks much :)
Swopa/Jeff — if I get time in between the vet’s and the dog groomer’s and getting Kobe’s new fireplace installed (my day gig — I’m a professional dog minder) I’ll try and call the Post. Hell they might as well lie to me as anybody.
Jane,
Having some SAO come out of the woodwoork now just doesn’t add up. If Fitz is as thorough as they say he is then he had to have interviewed Hadley before. And even if it isn’t Hadley, there are only so many SAOs around. How many do you think Fitz missed during the investigation? Zero to none? So why the new testimony? Or is this a “correction” to previous testimony? Inquiring minds want to know.
My husband Doug thinks your Wild Card might be the most likely scenario. ” Gets two Bishops off the board, but the King and Queen still stand, but you can only sacrifice so many pieces before they are put in real jeopardy.”
I think there is more to WoodwardÂ’s silence heretofore in not disclosing his own role in the Plame leak than meets the eye.
It is not only a matter, as he says, of not wanting to be summoned before the grand jury. He may well have feared that possibility, for whatever reason. But the manÂ’s character and performance over the years suggest a far deeper rationale.
I think he was deliberately biding his time until (as he apparently expected) the leak-story fizzled out and the investigation closed so that he could be the one and only one to emerge with the “real scoop”, i.e. that he was the first to be told about Plame’s identity and that, as the smart one, he knew all along that there was nothing to the story but mere gossip. All the trash talk he was giving to the media up to now about the ongoing investigation was evidently a build up for that decisive moment.
That, indeed, would have been a blockbuster, reaping for him all the usual kudos as the star reporter plus more big bucks to satisfy his limitless greed.
But, as luck would have it this time, he just wasnÂ’t able to pull it off. Instead, the actual denoument now unfolding is bound to leave his vaunted reputation in ruins.
Jane –
Props. Damn, that was good, and not just for the happy conclusions.
Slightly different subject…
What do people make of the indictment’s rather extended discussion of the New Republic article of June19th?
It seems the sentence in the indictment starting with the words “The article was also critical…” goes a little beyond what it is necessary to mention in the indictment.
The article itself - oddly timely with respect to “Phase II” of the Senate investigation - says that congress-critters were prevented from having an honest representation of the ICs “grave and imminent” threat. The WH stopped the CIA from providing a contextually accurate of the IC view.
The White House…
They ain’t protecting Cheney. They are protecting Cheney Jr.
DB has been thinking Hadley and Condi are knee-deep in this for a while now.
The WaPo wrote on 10/18:
“One former CIA official told prosecutors early in the probe about efforts by Cheney’s office and his allies at the National Security Council to obtain information about Wilson’s trip as long as two months before Plame was unmasked in July 2003, according to a person familiar with the account.”
NSC allies? Uh, that’s “Sixteen-word” Hadley. And his boss at the time? Condi.
If it is Hadley, makes sense that he took over Libby’s post. Libby takes the fall, they rasie money for his defense, he never spends tome in jail, he gets a pardon… voila!
Jane:
The Hadley confirmation is in your NYT article:
So presumably Hadley’s in for at least false statements–assuming Fitz asked about June conversations, which might be a big assumption.
One more possible angle.
So Woodward was going to write about Fleitz but that somehow gets him to Mr. X. Now, Woodward has been really sketchy about dates–mid-June, which immediately led ME to believe that (particularly if this was Hadley) the leak came after the Grossman briefing on June 11 or 12. That would give a way to leak this while only violating NDA, not necessarily outing a source.
Except, what if the date was a few days earlier, such that the only CIA source had to be Cheney’s CIA source? We know Tenet has denied being CHeney’s source (although I think I remember you saying you had doubts about Tenet’s denial). So what if Cheney’s CIA source is Fleitz? That gets you not only DO, but NOC status. And it turns the whole thing into a clear espionage or IIPA violation.
One more point. I don’t buy Laura’s argument about Cheney. Here’s what Booby said:
It is Booby’s impression, not Mr. X’s claim that this was not classified.
Which, if this really is Cheney, ought to make Booby sit up and take notice. Because he has to know–assuming he’s read Libby’s indictment–that Cheney already knew by mid-June that Plame was DO. That is, if he was led to believe this wasn’t classified, and he now realizes it was, he OUGHT to be realizing Cheney misled him. If it is Cheney.
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digby has some great comments too on this woodward thing
“Wolf Blitzer try to pin Len Downie down on the fact that Woodward never bothered to write that he knew of another source…..Downie had no good answer for that and just hemmed and hawed his way through it, ending with his story that they must protect their sources.”
there we go again, it’s like a Mantra with these DC sycophants - protecting their sources - Protect the Source! what the hell about protecting the truth and your professional ethics and the american people’s right to know what the hell is going on and where all their tax money is going and why the troops (and so many Iraqis) are dying in Iraq. that’s what this Plame thing is all about, the illegal and monstrous war in Iraq. and how these DC power elites lied and bamboozled and corrupted themselves and co-opted so many in the media.
like digby wrote, “This crap about protecting anonymous sources is simply cover for the fact that these people are protecting their access to official lies. It’s bullshit and it’s why they are in trouble today.”
It’s all about official lies and those who protect the liars.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com.....chive.html
Why was it that Woodward felt he could run around criticizing Fitzgerald and the Plame investigation, knowing full well that someone in the Administration could testify, at any moment, that Woodward was one of the reporters who received information?
It seems to me, that if Woodward merely wanted to “protect his source” the most logical option would be to remain in the background and not draw attention to himself.
Instead he did a full court press, running from one talk show to another, saying that the investigation was a waste of time and Fitzgerald was a “junkyard dog.” Way to be subtle.
My guess is that Woodward and Official X had an agreement that went something along the lines of; I won’t tell, if you won’t tell. As to why the SAO came forward, it’s my theory that he thought Woodward’s testimony would help Libby’s case. According to the AP, Libby’s attorney’s say it has.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....k_woodward
Woodward’s behavior was way too outrageous to be accidental, he had to be carrying water for the Administration. But they changed their minds and decided that his testimony could be useful, after all.
Thursday’s NYT:
http://tinyurl.com/8n6jy
“Other administration officials known to have been interviewed by investigators include Condoleezza Rice, who was then national security adviser and is now secretary of state; Stephen Hadley, then deputy national security adviser and now the national security adviser; Mr. Card; and Mr. Bartlett.”
So maybe when Hadley was interviewed it completely slipped his mind that he had remarked, offhandly and casually, of course, that the woman married to Joe Wilson, bane of Cheney’s existence, worked for the CIA. I can’t imagine why Hadey would be worried; it’s an understandable mistake.
ME,
I saw a report that said the prisoners rescued in Iraq looked like Holocaust victims.
emptywheel — thanks I did not see that Hadley comment in the NYT. Quite odd that a statement clearing everyone else did not clear him.
I’m not sure Woodward was going to write about Fleitz — that may have been an Isikoff smokescreen or guess, based on a rumor that Woodward was talking about writing an article. Which I have absolutely no verification of, it’s just a guess.
ps — as of late today people at the Times said they had no idea who Woodward’s source was, either.
Also, can someone tell me whether they believe this statement to be inaccurate:
Putting aside the speculation that Fleitz/Bolton knew by this point. I had thought the INR memo hadn’t been circulated to Powell before July 7.
emptywheel — yeah I caught that Powell bit too.
the green lantern — I think that sounds very in character for Booby.
Yes, I caught that Powell bit too.
I’ve been arguing in previous threads for the possible role of Powell, neglected so far in this discussion, as an important clue to unravelling the unfolding story.
Okay- I agree that Ari and Karen and even Condi are ruled out- and Bartlett and Hadley I thought had already been interviewed…Okay- here is my wildcard guess- Micheal Gerson the person who wrote most of Bush’s Big speeches-even ones about the WMD issue and the War.And was part of the inner circle in 2002 and 2003.And from rereading Plan of Attack Woody has full accounts of what went on about the speeches- which is kind of important because it is really all about the 16 words ( which NYT Kristoff tore apart on May6th 2003). And according this Woody’s book: Plan of Attack he did not interview Bush until Dec.10 and 11th,2003. But he spent the summer of 2003 interviewing the inner sanctum around Bush- and yet who he interviewed from May through October 2003 remains ellusive in his book- how interesting. And yet on p423 of the book Bush put very clear conditions on What Woody could and could NOT write esp about the WMD issue. Also just for trivia- Woody shares a lawyer with Karen Hughes- does anyone see that as a conflict of interest aka a problem? Yet what really is concerning is that in 2004 Plan of Attack came out, and then last summer 2005 The Secret Man came out- and he knew the whole time that Fitz needed to know the truth..but he was more interested in protecting his NEXT book… ( on another note if you read the book he does detail how easily Cheney calls up the press, esp WAPO ). And one more thought, Woody in articles yesterday did mention Walter Pincus- was it because he wrote the article June 12th ,2003 about Wilson’s trip? Did Woody provide Pincus with any info for his article ?Either way the documents about Wilsons’ trip etc were faxed June9th,2003 to the VP office. And they were only faxed because the Fair game was already up and running….and they needed some ammunition to leak to the media….
Re: Emptywheel 11:46
Your analysis of the situation if it’s Cheney is right on the button and it then makes sense of Booby’s runnin’ around like an upside down Chicken Little tellin’ everyone there wasn’t any sky and why he’s scared ta death…it means that Darth Cheney is in it for espionage and Booby is gunna provide the noose
it means that Darth Cheney is in it for espionage and Booby is gunna provide the noose.
Oh, Norske, that would be proof that God is a comedian.
Raw Story says it was Hadley
Jane,
Maybe some poetry in that? Think about it though dear, it sure sets up nice given who we’re dealin’ with on the media side…and he does swim with the sharks.
One more point Grand Jury was impaneled Oct 2003, and Investigation into the Wilson issue was initiated in Oct 2003, was Fitz made Special Prosecutor in October or December 2003( Jeralyn says December 2003- but I thought the investigation actually began in Oct2003?)
and Either way once the Investigation started Woody stil had to stay focused on his Books ( in his mind that was the top priority). Plan of Attack did not come out until March 2004, and then later he had to write the Secret Man ( not a happy decision) and that came out summer 2005. If he had been questioned or supoenaed would that have restricted what he could or could not write ?
Not to over-parse the timeline, but if Cheney is the source, isn’t there a chance that when he talked to Woodward in “mid-June,” he hadn’t yet gotten the information from the CIA, and thus didn’t know that Plame was DO? Fitzgerald’s indictment of Libby dates Cheney’s knowledge of Plame’s DO status “on or about June 12th.”
Michael 72 and Digby: great comments on the sham of Woodward so assiduously protecting his sources as though it were a virtue. Reporters have demeaned their calling, by becoming eager shills of those in power. It is shameful that they protect high-up sources in this irresponsible manner. The concept of protecting sources was formulated to protect those who truly need protecting, such as a worker who reports wrongdoing, who would be at risk of losing his job if his name was revealed. This recent practice of reportorial shills protecting high administrative sources is bull, and we all know it, and so do the reporters. By so-called “protecting” such sources, reporters allow the admin officials to put out any garbage and spin they wish to promote, without attaching their names to the smarminess.
A note about Hadley: I agree with Jane that he’s probably suspect #1, but would his conversation with Woodward really explain his bizarre behavior during the lead-up to the Libby indictment? It seems pretty clear that Fitzgerald didn’t know about the Woodward conversation as of that week — and thus that Hadley was afraid of something else.
Some evidence in favor of Cheney being Woodward’s source:
Woodward was quite vague about the dates of his conversation with his source. Mid-June he says. That’s a bit odd, I think, and awkward considering Fitzgerald almost certainly had him testify about a specific conversation on a specific date.
Woodward is awkwardly vague in a few other ways in his statement, but in all of these other cases, the vagueness serves to shield the identity of his source. I can’t help but wonder if the strange date reference serves a similar purpose.
The vague dating wouldn’t protect a source’s identity, but it could serve to protect the source himself (at least as far as public opinion goes). Cheney, in particular, would find the “mid-June” reference particularly soothing for any date after June 12th. In fact, he’s the only person I can think of who would be helped by the vague date (based on public knowledge, which is what would matter).
Just a thought.
Jane, I echo your host of admirers.
Now that we know more about the Woodward deposition, I can’t shake the feeling that Rove is somehow behind it. It’s not that I think of Rove as “brilliant,” or a “genius.” That’s reserved for creative people who make positive contributions to civilization. But I do think that he has discovered a very simple formula that he very ably applies over and over again, to his gain. That formula is this: Take the strength of your foe and turn it into a weakness. The thing that makes this strategy particularly successful is that a person’s strength is usually, in some way, also his weakness.
So what’s Fitzgerald’s strong/weak point? I would say that it’s his desire to be perceived as beyond reproach. Trying to be beyond reproach is strong in the sense that it means you always try to do the right thing, but it’s weak in that it can also be a vanity. If it becomes a vanity you start to do things in order to bolster the perception that you’re fair and honest, instead of just doing your duty in a fair and honest way, regardless of how it’s perceived.
Of course, like almost everything currently being written on this subject, this is pure speculation. However, I can’t help but wonder whether Fitzgerald (who I admire immensely) might have fallen into a Rovian trap.
I worry that, in order to maintain his appearance of neutrality and fairness and to demonstrate his respect for press first amendment issues, Fitzgerald agreed to all kinds of strictures regarding Woodward’s testimony that will eventually turn out to be a handicap.
Acccording to Woodward’s written statement at least, Fitzgerald agreed that his testimony would be given in private and not before a grand jury. But did Fitzgerald have an opportunity to interview Woodward first so that he could prepare properly for the deposition, or was he set up to be blindsided? And what about the agreed upon limitations on topics that Fitzgerald could ask about? Does that mean Woodward can never be a witness regarding whatever else he might know? Was the Woodward deposition, and its terms, somehow initiated and instigated by Rove?
Maybe not. But I can’t help wondering.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm.....75,00.html
Saddam, facing a possible death sentence, is accused of mass murder, torture, false imprisonment and the use of chemical weapons. He is certainly guilty on all counts. So, it now seems, are those who overthrew him.
No one is paying much attention this fact. On this Yahoo article
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....k_woodward
Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, in announcing the charges, portrayed Libby as the first high-level government official to reveal Plame’s identity to reporters in summer 2003.
THATS NOT TRUE. Fitz Said Libby was the first KNOWN high -level goverment official. Olberman busted them on this yet they are still working this angle as though this helps Libby. I don’t see how?
Fitz said “KNOWN”
Doesn’t that one word take all Libbys hopes away?
Anyone find this list rather strange
I would have expected to at least see the NSA / Condi included. Two CIA players and one from the state department, but nobody from the NSA? Doesn’t make sense!
I seem to recall…can anyone else remember seeing this…that just prior to the Libby indictment, Fitzgerald went to Cheney’s office and dropped off a list of questions for Cheney to answer.
One of those questions may have been the catalyst for the Woodward revelation.
Anyone else remember reading about those questions?
Interesting, indeed, Steve.
Notice, too, the early June mentioned in that outtake.
Early June and mid-June are not the same thing.
Woodward hasn’t proved that Libby is in the clear.
Not by a long-shot.
Silylily:
This is like arguing what the meaning of “is” is.
We need to emphasize what Fitz actually said. Then we need to prepare for these bushbots to next start hammering on Fitz for not saying “known at this time.” They’re desperate enough to grasp that straw.
The Woodward thing is all made up to save Libby. How can anyone argue against that?
Headline from today’s Times:
WASHINGTON, Nov. 16 - The disclosure that a current or former Bush administration official told Bob Woodward of The Washington Post more than two years ago that the wife of a prominent administration critic worked for the C.I.A. threatened Wednesday to prolong a politically damaging leak investigation [PAST THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS: ROVE 1 FITZGERALD 0] that the White House had hoped would soon be contained.
The revelation left the special prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, grappling with an unexpected new twist - one that he had not uncovered in an exhaustive inquiry - and gave lawyers for I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff and the only official charged with a crime, fresh evidence to support his defense[ROVE 2, FITZGERALD 0].
quick question for the lawyers before I start reading all the comments (can’t wait — should be good!). I read today that Pincus said that Booby asked him not to include his (Booby’s) name in any of his (Pincus’) reporting because Booby was “afraid of being subpoenaed.” If a person has information that, if revealed, would result in a federal prosecutor issuing a subpoena to you, at what point does it become obstruction of justice to fail to come forward?
Skippy’s quoting some good points made by americablog.blogspot.com about how maybe Woodward doesn’t have his story straight.
http://www.xnerg.blogspot.com/
Sorry, arbo, I don’t know how wrapping up the investigation early hurts Fitzgerald. I definitely see how it hurts the Republicans, though, not to have this thing out of the hair, v. fast. Fitz 1, Rove 0.
Woodward’s revelation doesn’t clear Libby. At all. Libby still lied to a grand jury. He still obstructed. The media can try to twist that all they want, but in the end, Libby is still toast. Fitz 2, Rove 0.
enigma4ever
FYI Fitzy was appointed 12/03. Investigation started 10/03 by FBI under Ashcroft’s direction. Libby made false statements to FBI in 10/03 (as did others who thought they could finesse their way out of this as something that would just blow over.) Some of the career Justice guys didn’t like how Ashcroft was handling the conflict of interest angle (he paid Rove to give him campaign advice previously) and then saw how the so-called investigation was going and rebelled. Comey as Deputy AG was assigned to find a neutral third party and decided upon Fitzy.
You can find the official info on the appointment at Fitzy’s web site by clicking on my “homepage”.
Jan,
I just noticed this on cnn.com:
http://tinyurl.com/dg76f
“Woodward said he had a phone conversation with Libby on June 23, 2003, regarding an 18-page questionnaire that he intended to give to Cheney. The questionnaire included questions about “Joe Wilson’s wife,” but Woodward does not recall discussing Plame with Libby during that call.
“That was the day that Fitzgerald said Libby discussed Wilson’s wife with Miller, his first contact with the press on the matter.
“Woodward also does not remember discussing Plame with Libby during a June 27 interview.”
Somebody mentioned on another blog that Libby previewed all questions from Woodward to Cheney. How Soviet is that?
I love you Jane.
LJ (obviously I am playing the Devil’s advocate):
Here’s how Libby’s defense is bolstered:
“Oh, yeah, now I remember. My memory was just improved when I read Woodward’s statement. It was Woodward, not Russert or any of the others who gave me the information. I’m really sorry that I didn’t get all this straight the first time through. I’m a very busy man and this was a really insignificant detail. I’m really sorry, but it was Woodward who told me. I know that the best of my memory sometimes isn’t that good, and I apologize for confusing things.
That’s his new defense, and the question is: how will it play to the people of the US and to a jury.
arbogast — Woodward’s conversation with Libby took place on June 23rd, just 9days after Libby had most recently discussed “Valerie Wilson” with a CIA briefer. The “I forgot I’d heard it before” line of defense, already weak if it had been played out with Russert, is so absurd in this case I doubt he would even try it.
IF it’s Hadley, and assuming Hadley has already testified (but said nothing about a conversation with Woodward), are Bob’s protestations that it was just a ‘casual offhand comment’ designed to help Hadley get off a perjury charge by giving more creedence to an “I forgot” defense?
One thing that has never been well-explained is WHY Rove emailed Hadley about Cooper.
Rove doesn’t report to Hadley and the bs story about welfare reform wouldn’t relate to the deputy NSA. There is nothing about Cooper per se that would dictate that Rove tell Hadley. So why notify Hadley?
The thing that keeps kicking around in my mind is that perhaps Hadley was designated some sort of coordinator of info about the Wilsons. A conspiracy needs a go-to guy, right? And, Hadley already functioned as Dick the Prick’s eyes and ears, so being his go-to guy is no leap and this Wilson business was clearly a VP operation.
I have never doubted that Dick the Prick took the reference by Wilson in whatever form that he went to Niger because of something to do with the VP as an affront to his manhood that demanded a crushing reaction. That is what all this was. It was a pure testosterone response by Dick the Prick, which makes the possibility that it was a casual, offhand mention complete horsehockey and that means that
1) Cheney isn’t the source who revealed it in a casual, offhand manner
2) Cheney is one of the three sources and it was said in a hormone-fueled manner and/or
3) Booby is mis-representing how it was said and who said what when.
And didja notice the coverage last night? I watched Dick deliver the first comments before his speech really started. He was so furious that he could barely control/conceal his anger. Shaking, shuffling his papers, darting glances at the audience every two seconds. He was really, really pissed.
Nice. :)
Kinda reminded me of how he must have reacted when someone informed him that Wilson claimed that he went to Niger because of a question from the VP’s office. Hmmm.
Maggie, I take some small comfort in knowing that Big Dick is rattled by all this.
If…and I still think it’s a gigantic if…Woodward’s Crack Whore in Training escapade does not help Libby (and they absolutely MUST have something on Woodward to make him jump this high: homosexuality, underage girls, latex, whatever), then I return to the point that Libby is under a ton of pressure.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but high-priced defense attorneys know more about selling out their clients than anyone on earth. For them, it is a science. They have associates by the dozen figuring out exactly how much they can bill, before they are forced to tell they clients that they have no case.
That moment will arrive in six months I would say. After that, they risk a malpractice case.
Six months from now, Libby will cave and the show will begin.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01883.html
Link to very interesting George Will piece on the status of the gooper party–highlights the conflicts between “social conservatives” and fiscal conservatives” and “small govt.” and “big govt.” goopers.
He seems to think that the whole thing is falling apart– and speculates that the core conservative message may be suited more for opposition than for majority status–good read.
Politics is a process of coalition building. In most european countries, coaltions are built AFTER elections where two or more parties make compromises and put together their delegate seats to form a majority.
In the US, this has never happened because of the method of selecting senators and representatives. Minority parties- even if they represent 10-20 percent of the population, rarely get even ONE seat.
Our coalitions are therefore built WITHIN political parties- and usually BEFORE an election.
As the gooper party begins to fall apart- dems will have to decide if they can pick up some of the disatisfied members of that coalition. If they CAN– even a very small part- they will have a governing majority…
Best opportunity are the socially progressive, fiscally conservative gooper moderates. They are white suburbanites–they are younger than average.. They want a social safety net but they don’t want to pay much for it. They are better educated than average– have more income than average- and care about low taxes. They don’t agree with the social conservatives about much.
Dems will need to find wedge issues to drive them away from the gooper party (stem cell research is a good example.) They really belong in the dem party- part of what keeps them away is the perception that the dems are primarilly the party of minorities and the very poor.
Before the indictment was handed down to Mr. Libby, the website “No Quarter” (Larry Johnson’s website), had a paragraph saying Mr. Hadley was telling friends he was going to be presented with an indictment himself. It turns out the info we in the public have is not something SP Fitzgerald has not already seen/heard and taken steps to bring it into his case(s).
This theory of the Mayberry Machavellis (sp?) sacraficing their lower level staff to the lions is a bit premature, as well as the theory of spin from the other side saying this info advances their arguments Libby is not in a dire situation.
I think it is surely time to request all of these players be sterilized.
I wonder how Alito would vote on Roe vs Crotchfruit
White middle class suburbanites want to identify with the “leaders” of the world..
Their jobs are an essential part of how they define themselves.. They want to be seen as a part of the executive/professional class– although most are not.
They like people who “talk business” and “technology” and wear suits.
Corporate america is NOT a conservative bastion. Those votes are up for grabs if somone approaches them in the right way. They LIKE corporate types- so give em some!
The candidate may be as important as the message for these people.
FITZGERALD: I can tell you that no one wants this thing to be over as quickly as I do, as quickly as Mr. Eckenrode does. I’d like to wake up in my bed in Chicago, he’d like to wake up in his bed in Philadelphia, and we recognize that we want to get this thing done.
I will not end the investigation until I can look anyone in the eye and tell them that we have carried out our responsibility sufficiently to be sure that we’ve done what we could to make intelligent decisions about when to end the investigation. We hope to do that as soon as possible. I just hope that people will take a deep breath and just allow us to continue to do what we have to do.
Jane: Great work here. But one point-even though Booby presumably had one single source for the info, (and I’m guessing it’s Hadley) why doesn’t that just provide further evidence of the “Cheney Copnspiracy?” Everything on Wilson seems to flow from Cheney to Hadley or Cheney to Libby. It just further sets Cheney up as the Capo di Tutti Frutti and Hadley and Libby as his Capos carrying out orders. Either way, its gonna come back to Big Dick. Fitz is gonna eventually squeeze Libby, and now Hadley and eventually, they’ll give up Big Dick.
Rwcole: Your analysis of how to pick off the middle class white suburbanites is absolutely right. The candidate IS important.
On Sunday, Frank Rich gets his “prime time” op-ed opportunity in the Times. I will give 100 to 1 odds that his subject will be Bob Woodward. It will probably a real barn burner. Rich always gets to the core of an issue and nails it. He was one of the first to go public in a major media to connect Plamegate to the whole enchilada (great Watergate term) of the fake (and illegal) rationale for the war.
He will (my guess here) burn Woodward on the hypocrisy of defaming Fitz and the investigation while covertly harboring information material to the case, waiting for the best opportunity to release his “bombshell” to an eagerly waiting nation. His actions and non-actions bring infamy and dishonor to the profession of journalism.
When asked about Woodward’s refusal to be interviewed by other Post reporters on this story, [ carl Bernstein] said “I’m sure at some point, Bob will make himself available. Now is not the time to do it, for all kinds of reasons.”
judy miller — spittin’ image.
it’s almost as if the WH had a plan — and succeeded — to undercut the two most “respected” newspapers in the U.S. by compromising their two star reporters. Even though they are uptight bourgie newspapers, they are well respected and followed and are more right than wrong. I hope that there are enough reporters at both papers, e.g. Froomkin, Jehl that are sufficiently affronted and pissed that they put extra effort into exposing the admin.
Kurtz on Woodward: Meeeooooowwww.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00587.html
Hello to the morning crew here lanquishing at the end of a blog cycle just waiting for the left coast to stir and crank up another one.
Maggie, you wrote that you saw Cheney “was so furious that he could barely control/conceal his anger.”
When I try to see things from the Treasonistas’ POV it occurs to me that these guys, and gals, have been holding back. I believe they think that they’re being moderate in all that they’re doing for what ever bloody reason they’re doing it.
I fear for my country should these traitors decide to take off the gloves. False flag incident comes to mind.
arbogast, I agree totally that lawyers will suck up as much as they can before giving their clients the news they should have coughed up from the beginning.
Wonder what the ladies have in store for us today?
Good morning, all!
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I’m thinking 2006 this morning rather than Woody– so I hope that my posts are not a distraction.
Good op/ed piece by Broder in today’s local (gooper) rag.
He spends most of his time devoted to a “flat tax” proposal by Wyden which cuts the number of brackets to three, eliminates most deductions, eliminates the AMT and—here’s the good part—-taxes all sources of income the same.
Dems need to come out in favor of WAGE EARNERS– even CEOs. The tax advantages that the goopers have given to investors are criminal!
A person who WORKS for a living and does well- can end up paying nearly forty percent of his/her income in taxes.
A person who inherited a 100 million and lives off his/her investments– will pay 15% or less.
Goopers want those not paying attention to assume that because wage earners also have some modest investments- this benefits them– of course if the “investor class” paid their fair share- wage earners would not be raped..
The people getting screwed the most by taxes are the two earner families who are making $130,000 or so in household income. They pay at a very high rate- and both wage earners pay the max of the “payroll tax”- plus state taxes.
In the meantime, “investors” cruise along at 15% or less and pay NO payroll tax.
It’s an issue just waiting to be exploited- and Wyden- (however much I hate some of his recent votes) has stumbled on a way to exploit it.
I urge everyone to read and think about this plan. It’s a great way into the suburbanite vote.
RW
I enjoy your assessments. I like how you kinda think out loud here.
I used to live in Penasquitos (next door to Poway) and I remember when Duke got elected the first time. Gosh, I really feel bad for what’s happening to him now.
Not!
As far as your comments today — busting up the existing coalition in the goopers is a high priority. I think your point about the white suburbanites is how we got into this mess. They had a perception that voting republican was the “in” thing to do and for many, not much mattered beyond that.
In fact, I think our mission can be reduced to the simplicity of making voting republican “uncool”.
Lies? Not cool.
Misleading American people? Not cool.
Deception? Way uncool.
Manipulating the people directly and via the media? Totally uncool.
Twisting science? So yesterday.
Hey, I’m convincing myself, here. :-)
Someone will soon do a careful read of Woody’s statement (which was apparently written by his lawyers) and try to figure out the whole chronology and the memory lapses. The memory lapses are VERY important. Those are the points where Woody is trying to aid in the defense of the criminals while still stopping short of perjury.. Assume that they are lies- as they most surely are..
I haven’t done a careful analysis yet- but I have a question. Woody says that he had a list of questions to ask Cheney– including questions about Wilson’s wife. Where did he get the information that led him to ask those questions? Seems kinda odd.