
Well, I'll say this about Lawrence Wilkerson -- he's definitely off the Cheney Christmas card list. But he just made mine -- in spades. In fact, he may have just earned himself a tin of homemade cookies and candies.
Today's Froomkin column (man, he's indespensible, isn't he?) points to an NPR audio file of Lawrence Wilkerson's Thursday interview on the network, and it is explosive, detailed and did I mention scorching?
The interview was conducted by NPR's Steve Inskeep. Although the transcript is not publicly available, Froomkin provided some quotes on the subject of Cheney's office being the catalyst for the change in military policy regarding torture.
"INSKEEP: While in the government, he says he was assigned to gather documents. He traced just how Americans came to be accused of abusing prisoners. In 2002, a presidential memo had ordered that detainees be treated in a manner consistent with the Geneva Conventions that forbid torture. Wilkerson says the vice president's office pushed for a more expansive policy."Mr. WILKERSON: What happened was that the secretary of Defense, under the cover of the vice president's office, began to create an environment -- and this started from the very beginning when David Addington, the vice president's lawyer, was a staunch advocate of allowing the president in his capacity as commander in chief to deviate from the Geneva Conventions. Regardless of the president having put out this memo, they began to authorize procedures within the armed forces that led to, in my view, what we've seen.
You remember David Addington? The newly promoted replacement VP Chief of Staff for the indicted Scooter Libby, former VP Chief of Staff?
You know, how hard can it be to sit your ass down and think, "Hey, wouldn't it be a good idea to find someone to work in my office who doesn't come with an ethical taint -- maybe start fresh -- since my Chief of Staff just got indicted and all." Must be difficult, I suppose. Especially when all your chums seem to favor torture and drumming up a war out of thin air, well paid intelligence sources and specially forged documents.
"INSKEEP: We have to get more detail about that because the military will say, the Pentagon will say they've investigated this repeatedly and that all the investigations have found that the abuses were committed by a relatively small number of people at relatively low levels. What hard evidence takes those abuses up the chain of command and lands them in the vice president's office, which is where you're placing it?"Mr. WILKERSON: I'm privy to the paperwork, both classified and unclassified, that the secretary of State asked me to assemble on how this all got started, what the audit trail was, and when I began to assemble this paperwork, which I no longer have access to, it was clear to me that there was a visible audit trail from the vice president's office through the secretary of Defense down to the commanders in the field that in carefully couched terms -- I'll give you that -- that to a soldier in the field meant two things: We're not getting enough good intelligence and you need to get that evidence, and, oh, by the way, here's some ways you probably can get it. And even some of the ways that they detailed were not in accordance with the spirit of the Geneva Conventions and the law of war.
"You just -- if you're a military man, you know that you just don't do these sorts of things because once you give just the slightest bit of leeway, there are those in the armed forces who will take advantage of that. There are those in the leadership who will feel so pressured that they have to produce intelligence that it doesn't matter whether it's actionable or not as long as they can get the volume in. They have to do what they have to do to get it, and so you've just given in essence, though you may not know it, carte blanche for a lot of problems to occur."
AFP provides even more information on the interview, including the fact that Cheney's office became involved in this before we went into Afghanistan. (My question of the day: did Cheney help to hand-pick Gen. Miller for the torture patrol? Shouldn't the media and the Senate Armed Services Committee start asking that -- right now?)
And that the orders and directives coming from the VPs office on torture directly contradicted a 2002 memo from the Office of the President.
You know, back in the old days, we made fun of Alexander Haig for pretending to be President after Reagan was shot. Cheney isn't even bothering to pretend.
One of the more disturbing aspects of the interview, and something covered by the AFP article, is this:
Wilkerson also told National Public Radio that Cheney's office ran an "alternate national security staff" that spied on and undermined the president's formal National Security Council.He said National Security Council staff stopped sending emails when they found out Cheney's staffers were reading their messages.
He said he believed that Cheney's staff prevented Bush from seeing a National Security Council memo arguing strongly that the US needed far more troops for the March 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq.
We've known for some time that there was a substantial fight between the CIA and the WHIG group. But nothing like this. Read that section again -- the NSC staff stopped sending e-mails between themselves because members of the VP's staff were spying on them. What in the hell is going on with these people?!?
Meanwhile, in Congress, despite passing by an overwhelming margin of 90 to 9 in the Senate, McCain's anti-torture provision is being blocked by Dick Cheney's good friend in the House, Denny Hastert. I didn't think it was possible, but these asshats have sunk to an even lower level of hackery and ethical depravity.
The saving grace for my mood is that Cheney appears to have left a big, slimy trail -- and Powell and Wilkerson have both taken some excellent snapshots of it. Now if only someone in DC had to cojones to do some oversight. *snerk* Oh, that was painful.
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and the ruling elite in the other western nations, have no doubt been giving people of the Scowcroft ilk an earful about the screwed up state of this government. there must be lots of pressure within the elite to ah adjust the steering of the great ship.
Good last post, Me. I’m not big the ‘woo woo’ stuff, but the confluence of all these forces and events appears capable of creating a quantum shift in awareness. In keeping with the language, Katrina very well may have generated the necessary activation energy for the reaction.
And we’ve been calling BUSH the unelected failure!
I am going to request permission to use some material from this post in my outgoing letter tomorrow.
Me — feel free. I’m so appalled right now, I don’t know where to begin.
YAY, NPR!!
Sorry. Just had to plug for the home team.
You can’t so much tell it from his photos, but Steve Inskeep is hawwwwt. His wife is always smiling for some reason.
Anyway, as you were.
(NPR rules)
So will be be seeing a concerted effort by the “old guard” (41’s group) and some current insiders to actively shake Cheney loose and cuff him?
If that’s the case, they’re going to have to take Cheney’s whole crew - most if not all of the cabinet and a good part of the top military with him… It’s not going to be an easy thing.
recall that under our Constitution, the Veep has no inherent executive powers whatsoever … any and all his authority is delegated by the President. While it may be cool to despise, rebuke and revile Cheney, that man only has the power because Bush permits it.
You know something Redd… Seriously. I have faced these people at gunpoint. You don’t know the meaning of the word “appalled”.
I got over it with time, but the anger never seems to completely fade… Not until I see justice done.
I have known that torture was an approved policy for a very long time. These people have sanctioned murder even.
But they sent federal agents to my house, told me to shut up and be a good boy at gun point. Implied I would be dead if I didn’t. Threatened me with all kinds of retribution, legal action, harrassment problems. It took a long time to shake it off and find my spirit again. I spent time in counseling, it was so bad, the paranoia they inflicted, post traumatic stress… I was unable to function for many months. I had to get help.
People think this is “politics” but it’s not. It’s not even close. Especially for Me.
All this pours out here and in the press; it can’t go on forever, I mean, at some point, this has to melt down into their base pulling away from these horrors. The torture agenda is one thing, but these allegations describe a completely separate little government making decisions and policy that is just close enough to the real, and equally awful thing to make it like a shadow. How many Senators are involved in this with Cheney and supporting this madness? How many are dumb to the whole thing? How many are just following along because it’s the party line?
And where were these guys before the election???!!!!! They have known about this for a long, long time and are just now coming forward. They are culpable as well for not protecting the public from what they knew was happening.
Posted in an earlier thread.
Looks like Reid is going after Cheney who controls just about everything in this government.
(The New Republic)
–More dramatically, Reid also made it clear that he believes the delay in the Senate Intelligence Committee’s investigation of prewar Iraq WMD–the underlying issue behind Tuesday’s closed session–is entirely attributable to Vice President Dick Cheney. “Nothing happens regarding intelligence gathering … unless it’s signed off on by the Vice President,” he said. “[Senate Intelligence chairman Pat] Roberts couldn’t do it”–i.e., Roberts couldn’t conduct a full investigation without Cheney’s approval. When I asked Reid whether he meant to state so flatly that Cheney was personally and directly stalling the Intelligence Committee’s work, he didn’t pause a beat. In fact he almost stood from his chair. “Yes. I say that without any qualification … Circle it.”
http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank…eplank? pid=3261
I have been trying to identify the 9 Senators who voted for Cheney’s torture provisons.
I know Jeff Sessions is one of them.
http://sessions.senate.gov/email/contact.cfm
(202) 224-3149 - Fax
He is added to my dun list, I will post an update tomorrow.
If anybody can give me the other 8 names… .. .
Dennis Hastert: House Speaker
http://www.house.gov/htbin/for.....ite2.shtml
202-225-0697
WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Dick Cheney’s office triggered abuse of Iraqi prisoners with word that filtered down to soldiers in the field that interrogations were not providing needed intelligence, a former senior State Department official has alleged.
It’s hit the national A.P. wires …
You want to know one of the sad things… I tried to tell people about this years ago… And nobody believed me.
OK, but why now? He could have said something years ago. It is just an attempt to separate Colin Powell from the war crimes.
this is quite appalling. the whole overseas american torture/gulag thing is beyond the pale.
and thanks again Reddhedd for bringing this together.
what interests me the most about the info in the articles, politically speaking, is the bit about the visible audit trail. which means I assume that there are documents and emails, etc still around somewhere. I keep thinking that sooner or later the gig will be up, there will be a super-whistleblower, another pentagon papers, a change in the Senate or House that will really loosen up the logjam and all these hidden and secretive things, like what Wilkerson is pointing to, will come to light.
I am glad to see that McCain says he’ll be adding the amendment barring inhumane treatment of enemy combatants to any and all bills going through the Senate, until it is passed and made law.
.
Reading ReddHedd’s post forces me to rearrange my family tree rendering for the biblical antichrist.
Unbeliveable.
Well, gosh darn. There appears to be a civil war in the republican party. For Wilkenson to be speaking so freely, he has permission from someone — if not Powell, then someone from the Scowcroft crowd maybe.
I still sense that people are separating, however feebly, Bush from all the real criminal acts, like the torture memos. If, in the next 3-6 months more republicans speak up like Wilkenson, then a civil war to protect Bush has started.
Do we want Bush protected? NOT
OK, but why now?
There appears to be a combined and concerted effort to bring this adminstration down. The heat is coming from multiple sources and directions, but it is coordinated to some degree.
We see the legal angle in the Fitzgerald investigation, and in the DoJ investigations in the house: Delay, Abramoff; they just subpoenaed Robert Ney in the House. The SEC is working over Frist.
Then there is the political angle… People coming up and speaking out, timed in a way with the legal actions. Both Repug and Dem…
The tides changed with Katrina. And my guess is that when there is a weak day with little criminal news to report, there will be people like Carter, and Wilkerson coming out and pouring gasoline on the fire.
from today’s Froomkin:
“Friends of Rove and the White House, too, are busy squelching rumors that the administration is debating internally whether Rove can remain effective regardless of what comes of the inquiry.
” ‘This is palace intrigue,’ said one senior Republican official.
” ‘There are always people in the palace who think it’s in their self-interest to damage the king’s closest adviser,’ he said. ‘There are people in the White House who think they’d be better off without Karl, but these are people who don’t have the talent and ability to do the job.’ “
Who are these “friends” of Rove and who is the “senior Republican official”? Sounds like it’s Rove delusionally talking about himself.
Does anyone else see the hand of G.H.W. Bush behind all this? The combination of Brent Scowcroft’s recent public statements and Wilkerson’s several public outings look very much like a rescue and restoration of Dubya’s WH. They’re bringing back the realists, the old-timers, to ward off a complete meltdown and of course potential Democratic party electoral gains in either 2006 or 2008. And for Bush Senior’s sake, covering Junior’s ass in the process.
I think it’s particularly evident in statements like this:
“He said he believed that Cheney’s staff prevented Bush from seeing a National Security Council memo arguing strongly that the US needed far more troops for the March 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq.”
So far there’s no real evidence of this documentary trail or proof it exists. Helping Cheney to make a personal decision on a health-related resignation, then getting at least a placeholder, if not a firm guiding hand, into the Vice Presidency for salvage purposes seems to be goal here.
Not that Cheney doesn’t well deserve the moniker “Darth” on his own own or anything.
Does it bother anyone else that the “senior Republican official” speaks casually of Bush as “the king?” Even metaphorically that sends chills up my spine.
People think this is “politics” but it’s not. It’s not even close. Especially for Me.
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I’m so sorry Me. It sounds horrible.
I think we all sense that we’ve been on the knife’s edge for the past five years. Who knows what crimes the Bush administration has perpetrated under the guise of the Patriot Act, for instance. We’ve all talked about the fact that this is a fascist regime. And many of us have our suspicions that not one but two national elections were stolen.
As the graphic a few threads back illustrated - what we know now is just the tip of the iceberg.
I don’t think people like Bush & Cheney would hesitate for a second to use fear and intimidation to stay in power and bring us into line. But I don’t think it will work. I disagree with John Dean - I don’t think people will rally around the President if there is another terrorist attack in the U.S.
“Hey, wouldn’t it be a good idea to find someone to work in my office who doesn’t come with an ethical taint — maybe start fresh — since my Chief of Staff just got indicted and all.”
There seems to be a recent pattern in this administration, which is to elevate personal lawyers to high posts. That way when they get hauled in to court they can claim attorney-client privilege and not have to turn over any documents.
It’s sad in a sense… One angle they may be trying to work is to prevent a consitutional crisis and impeachment.
But in the long run, the captian is traditionally supposed to go down with the ship. The more they try to insulate or isolate Bush, the more the empty suit appearance applies… Which is in direct contrast with Bush’s “in control” great powerful world leader self delusion.
These people are _all_ sociopaths.
In for a penny, in for a pound
Cheney Makes a Personal Plea in Defense of Torture
Vice President Dick Cheney made an unusual personal appeal to Republican senators this week to allow CIA exemptions to a proposed ban on the torture of terror suspects in U.S. custody, according to participants in a closed-door session.
George Bush calls himself a Christian, but I think he lacks the tragic sensibility required to worship a man who would allow himself to be crucified. Bush is a doer. He wants to solve problems, and he seems to believe that at some point all of the problems can be solved, even the problem of sin. Rather than find redemption in the blood of Christ, he seems to be groping toward some way of redeeming the sin of knowledge, his own and the world’s, all by himself. He sees that you are naked and ashamed, but rather than clothe you he has found the way at last—compassionately, his heart full of love—to pluck out your eye.
http://www.harpers.org/GrandOldInquisitor.html
Coup d’etat.
Cheney just left the puppet in place.
Even I find all this incredible.
Really, even I am stunned.
Redd -
Thank you for once again assisting in showing these people for who they really are.
I’ve always known that CheneyCo. wears the pants in this administration, but even I am stunned to read that his goons were spying on the NSC. That takes some Big Time balls (which I figure some people in our government have seen at the rockin-and-rollin Bohemian Grove gatherings).
” ‘This is palace intrigue,’ said one senior Republican official.
” ‘There are always people in the palace who think it’s in their self-interest to damage the king’s closest adviser,’ he said. ‘There are people in the White House who think they’d be better off without Karl, but these are people who don’t have the talent and ability to do the job.’ “
(”Stolen” from marysz’s post)
Excuse me and excuse my language too but wtf?
“palace intrigue … the king’s closest adviser,’“
Since when has King Geoge W. Unindicted Co-conspirator To Be Bush been fucking well anointed and crowned exactly? I suppose this is another scumbag who “misspoke” yeah he misspoke alright he accidentally let slip how these bastards see themselves.
Raddled
Illegitmate
Corrupt
Oligarchs
“Republican” my arse
Has critical mass been reached?
There appears to be a combined and concerted effort to bring this adminstration down. The heat is coming from multiple sources and directions, but it is coordinated to some degree.
Me- I hope it is not too coordinated. The thought of “someone” even more controlling and in power than BushCo is too frightening. I would prefer to think that Katrina and the Libby indictment were the straws that broke the camels back. I think that there are many people in the gov’t. and media who were powerless to tell this story before and that there is a lot of pent up anger and frustration that is starting to be released.
Imagine shaking up a bottle of Coke. As long as the lid is on, the pressure builds up in the bottle. Release the cap, the pressure drops, and the gas comes out of solution causing the Coke to explode out of the bottle. Better yet, imagine the same process occuring in a volcano.
This does seem like a concerted effort — but I’m not sure what they are trying to accomplish. Any scandal involving Cheney is going to affect GWB. Either GWB “knows” or he’s been stupid the entire time — and neither one is a good thing for a president.
I wanted to believe that Hastert had a clean nose in all of this… but now I just want to know: Isn’t there something we can indict him on? :)
wilkerson’s segment on newshour finally ran tonite. here’s the transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb....._11-4.html
rwcole: when I read that bit you wrote below about the situation from Fitzy’s point of view, I swear I got whiplash form my doubletakes, because you sounded like me writing, like you’d jumped into my head and sucked out my thoughts.
Spooky, but good on you.
Very nice post.
I also wonder “Why now?”
all this stuff is nothing new - anyone who has been paying attention know this from the start
And I pointedly refused to contribute to NPR for two years since the invasion of Iraq. “Public” radio was giving us the “human” side of the military. Bah.
Anyways, while I am overjoyed to see the facade rupturing, my glee is tempered by the knowledge that tens, if not hundreds of thousands have died for this misadventure; my counry’s coffers have been pillaged, and if all the neocons were stripped of their wealth and subjected to a lingering death by the means they advocate, our country would still be shit out of luck and bereft of any kind of leadership.
Face it, the Dems were complicit sheep for years, unable to mount any sort of opposition. The best they have to offer is “We can do better” Of course we can do fucking better than morrally bankrupt thieves and murderers.
The fact is that the best opposition is coming from John McCain. Well … Patrick J Fitzgerald IS my hero, but we need leadership in Congress - and not from the Joe Liebermans and Hillary Clintons.
So , referring back to the lead in: who is pulling the strings now?
It sure as fuck ain’t the Dems.
And my suspician is that the window of opportunity for significant change has opened today, but will not be left in that state over long. Haliburton will continue, medical costs will continue to skyrocked, and the deep pockets will continue to fill.
John McCain doesn’t seem to have much backbone on issues other than torture. When the Neocons need him, they just trot him out to say a few words for them and then they put him back in his box.
The saving grace for my mood is that Cheney appears to have left a big, slimy trail
Maybe we should send him a big box of Depends!!!! ;-)))
The tides changed with Katrina. And my guess is that when there is a weak day with little criminal news to report, there will be people like Carter, and Wilkerson coming out and pouring gasoline on the fire.
Me
let’s not forget the war in Iraq. among other things, it is destroying the military and national guard and military and national guard leaders do not like to see that. add in the military careers that have been crushed in the push to war (anybody who got in the way got retired early) and you have the makings for a long list of enemies. And those enemies have resort to lots and lots of intelligence and lots of levers of power.
it is a civil war of sorts, with one part of what one could loosely call the ruling class or at least ruling elite deciding the part of the elite that it’s charge is ‘no damn good for business.’ and, like people everywhere, when someone screws you over like Cheney and ilk, there’s no shortage of people wanting payback.
in the middle, of course, is GW Bush, oddly symbolic of the ruling elite split given his apparent alientation/resentment of Dad. And it’s Dad’s old cronies are leading the charge.
if you accept the empty suit theory, it’s a fight to see who controls the suit. a changing of the guard.
I don’t think it is any one person or group doing the work in bringing BushCo to it knees. These are all different individual people or small groups that have been out of power and/or stepped on by the cabal.
I was involved with a group of microbiologists, and we wrote concerning the anthrax attacks. Each and every one of us who protested (because we sourced the bioagent back to the government)… Were investigated, arrested, run out of business, or lost our jobs as a result of being vocal. Now Stephen Hatfill is suing the DoJ, one other member is also suing… I am considering a suit.
But like our group, there were other groups in other areas… The NSC people handled classified material, they no longer have access, but they are all smart cookies and have good memories.
The CIA are not fond of breaking geneva convention, or of torture, or of having agents outed…
When Fitz cracked open the door… All these ghosts start wanting to haunt. And we can still email, still call people… So in a sense it’s not like some power broker working behind the scenes, it’s lots of little people who have been cheated out of justice.
Me 5:43 re: 90-9
I’ve been googling ever since I read your request. This one has taken me longer than usual.
The 9 nays on the McCain amend. were:
Allard (R-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)
source:
http://www.senate.gov/legislat.....9#position
has anyone read the book Yankee Cowboy War by Carl Oglesby, one of the founder of the old SDS?
the only sad note in this item is that you’ve ruined my image of Steve Inskeep.
I had always thought he was, like Madonna and Pele, a one-name performer — Stevinski.
Follow up to prev.
following is quoted from:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/.....-uspo.html
McCain’s amendment establishes the Army Field Manual as the uniform standard for interrogation of detainees and prohibits “cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of prisoners in the detention of the government.”
But defense analysts note that such a provision would not cover the Central Intelligence Agency or curb the process of moving detainees to other countries where torture is allowed, limiting its impact.
“They’ve left the door open for the CIA. The really hard stuff is still authorized by the president,” says Christopher Pyle, a military legal analyst at Mount Holyoke College in South Hadley, Mass.
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you guys may have long seen it, but Good Night and Good Luck finally made it to the boondocks today.
really wonderful movie. david Straitharn (?) was just uncanny as Murrow. the whole thing was packed with great scene after scene.
and such timing to be coming out now. whew
highly recommended..
although i would add a suspicion, not suggested in the movie, that perhaps maybe part of Paley’s willingness to let Murrow loose was because forces up above had said it was ok. When McCarthy was picking on simple black female file clerks, he was quiet useful. But when he took on the army, he made enemies. And just like Cheney has made enemies McCarthy’s enemies had but to send an approving nod to CBS, a network known to be CIA friendly (no pun intended), to unlease the pat Fitzgerald of his day.
Much love Valley Girl.
It took you longer cause they didn’t want people coming up with a list ;)
Thanks bunch… I am gonna complain _LOUDLY_
It helps to narrow the targets down, and I think this is the defining issue. These are the worst of the Republican Senate. It’s a lot easier to focus on the Nine Dark Lords than it is to dun all the Repugs in the Senate.
These are the _bad_ guys.
it’s probably no grand conspiracy, just alot of things happening at once, but with some taking advantage to add on. these various investigations have been underway for a while — abramoff for a year; plame, 2yrs; delay’s are just getting underway.
but it was really katrina and michael brown’s disastrous mismgmt that iced it. people saw it. it wasn’t the whiny democrats saying mean things; it wasn’t the feminazis. people saw it play out in real time and americans again died on american soil under george bush’s watch.
while wilkerson stepping forward 3 years ago would have been better, in all likelihood, he would have been ignored and marginalized. remember all of those former diplomats and military people who very publicly denounced bush; they got zero attention.
but i think the big one is the receptivity of the media to allow criticism of bush. a few are even tiptoeing around the niger docs story. we’ll see how long that lasts. it seems there’s an effort to assist with the rebuilding of bush’s image as soon as they receive the gameplan.
Off topic for this particular topic, but good news to report nonetheless … I’m proud to report that DeLay’s Sunday School Class, (bless ‘em) (and he has more than one church cause his district is so big now) has decided, after much prayer, to make sure he isn’t re-elected.
Yesser, those of the unmedicated have had a shot in the arm. In his very own district!
Praise the lawd and pass the toast!
I can’t get the Dylan song “The Times They Are A-Changin’” out of my head:
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won’t come again
And don’t speak too soon
For the wheel’s still in spin
And there’s no tellin’ who
That it’s namin’.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin’.
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don’t stand in the doorway
Don’t block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There’s a battle outside
And it is ragin’.
It’ll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin’.
even though they’re helping to accomplish part of what we want (bye Cheney), we shouldn’t lionize guys like Wilk, or Powell. When they thought, foolishly, that it served their purpose they were perfectly willing to go along with all this. now, when they have things like their historical reputations, or future ambitions, or a simple desire for revenge, it all spills out.
And when the War of the Empty Suit is over, they’ll all try to reunite and, should they ever be foolish again, will be perfectly willing to do all manner of outrageous things to promote their interests.
Billmon was right — this is the Cheney Administration.
http://billmon.org/archives/002333.html
Which also means, that the sock puppet preznit will NEVER fire his Geppetto . . .
Just like he will NEVER let go of his Turd Blossom Brain . . .
What is a puppet to do — when all of his strings are poisoned, rotten, and burning to their roots?
In the immortal words of Atrios . . .
heh . . .
I also wonder “Why now?”
all this stuff is nothing new - anyone who has been paying attention know this from the start
And I pointedly refused to contribute to NPR for two years since the invasion of Iraq. “Public” radio was giving us the “human” side of the military. Bah.
Anyways, while I am overjoyed to see the facade rupturing, my glee is tempered by the knowledge that tens, if not hundreds of thousands have died for this misadventure; my counry’s coffers have been pillaged, and if all the neocons were stripped of their wealth and subjected to a lingering death by the means they advocate, our country would still be shit out of luck and bereft of any kind of leadership.
Face it, the Dems were complicit sheep for years, unable to mount any sort of opposition. The best they have to offer is “We can do better” Of course we can do fucking better than morrally bankrupt thieves and murderers.
The fact is that the best opposition is coming from John McCain. Well … Patrick J Fitzgerald IS my hero, but we need leadership in Congress - and not from the Joe Liebermans and Hillary Clintons.
So , referring back to the lead in: who is pulling the strings now?
It sure as fuck ain’t the Dems.
And my suspician is that the window of opportunity for significant change has opened today, but will not be left in that state over long. Haliburton will continue, medical costs will continue to skyrocked, and the deep pockets will continue to fill.
For the times they are a-changin’.
Pacifica
Masters of War isn’t too far off the mark either.
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin’
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it’s your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people’s blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud
You’ve thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain’t worth the blood
That runs in your veins
How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I’m young
You might say I’m unlearned
But there’s one thing I know
Though I’m younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death’ll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I’ll stand o’er your grave
‘Til I’m sure that you’re dead
–The thought of “someone” even more controlling and in power than BushCo is too frightening.–
Goodness gracious, yes!
;->
Be afraid.
http://www.iht.com/articles/20.....edzbig.php
“They” are not happy with BushCo.
The NSC people handled classified material, they no longer have access, but they are all smart cookies and have good memories.
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You don’t mess with the NSC and live to tell the tail.
Does anyone know why Cheney wanted to destroy the intelligence community? Forget about 9/11 - he’s been gunning for the CIA et al since day one.
What’s the back story? Does it have to do with the first Gulf War? It seems to be something personal.
Sorry - tale - it’s been a long day.
Me:
This link will give you info on H and S bills, and who voted which way.
http://thomas.loc.gov/
The problem is that you have to figure out the no. of the bill and the no. of the amendment. That’s what took me so long.
And, of course the MSCM (mainstream corporate media) doesn’t cite bill nos. or names of those voting yeah or nay, except in a random political fashion.
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another dylan lyric that comes to mind
“fighting in the captain’s tower”
Desolation Row
:)
I predicted the elites turning on this Administration elsewhere some time back. While I believe there are others able to pull strings, I think they give their puppets a lot of leeway, enough to gain leverage in a fashion.
Look what’s been accomplished for now through this Administration. Certainly more than any former administration has accomplished in the past toward globalization of corporate interests. Those corporate interests, with bankers at the top of the chain, [i]are[/i] the elite.
Does anyone know why Cheney wanted to destroy the intelligence community? Forget about 9/11 - he’s been gunning for the CIA et al since day one.
What’s the back story? Does it have to do with the first Gulf War? It seems to be something personal
more rank speculation here, but I wonder if Cheney’s long health problems have, not to put too fine a point on, brain damaged him (say by oxygen deprevation) and pushed him into a form of psychosis or insanity (pach…terminology here?). recall Scowcroft, his former friend, said he doesn’t recognize Cheney now (speaking of his behavior). Secretive, hiding down in that bunker they blasted under his house, paranoid, surrounded by fellow dead enders. We’re in the hands of a nut (bunch of em actually…see little girl in cage with bear).
Oops …continued…
But when the chattel begin to smell rotten eggs, it’s time to make a regime change.
I wish I didn’t believe this were true, but the actions of so many Democrats siding with this wingnut crowd is very discouraging.
Hope I’m just depressed and terribly wrong.
Claudia–
Denny Hastert, among his other less-than-stellar attributes, may have taken bribes from Turkish arms dealers and possible drug dealers. This according to the incompletely-gagged Sibel Edmonds, in yet another explosive scandal just waiting for a change in Congress to be fully exposed: http://www.democracynow.org/ar.....10/1346254
Me –
I stand in awe of your enthusiatic dedication to and belief in democratic action after all you’ve experienced at the hands of our government. Not unlike Sibel, in fact.
Eli: Helping Cheney to make a personal decision on a health-related resignation, then getting at least a placeholder, if not a firm guiding hand, into the Vice Presidency for salvage purposes seems to be goal here.
to be followed, if they can pull it off by a media campaign claiming that GW has turned it around, cleaned house, got the ship of state shipshape.
It would be just like a Time or newsweek to then run a pic of the grinning monkey captioned something like “The Comeback Kid.” Lots of people are suckers for comeback stories and there many media functionaries can come back home and glory in the calculated tale of resurgence.
Course, there still going to have to work some to put all the gremlins floating around out there, like the war, the economy, like pretty much the whole screwed up mess we find outselves in, back inside Pandora’s Box. But you can bet they’ll try to sell the notion that they have.
The Nazgul
Wayne Allard: Supports Torture
http://allard.senate.gov/publi.....ntact.Home
202-224-6471 - fax
Kit Bond: Supports Torture
http://bond.senate.gov/contact/contactme.cfm
No fax
Tom Coburn: Supports Torture
http://coburn.senate.gov/index.....ntact.Home
202-224-6008 - fax
Thad Cochran: Supports Torture
http://cochran.senate.gov/contact.htm
No fax
John Cornyn: Supports Torture
http://www.cornyn.senate.gov/contact/index_1.html
202-228-2856 - fax
James Inhofe: Supports Torture
http://inhofe.senate.gov/contactus.htm
202-228-0380 - fax
Pat Roberts: Supports Torture
http://roberts.senate.gov/e-mail_pat.html
202-224-3514 - fax
Jeff Sessions: Supports Torture
http://sessions.senate.gov/email/contact.cfm
202-224-3149 - fax
Ted Stevens: Supports Torture
http://stevens.senate.gov/contact_form.cfm
202-224-2354 - fax
THREE CHEERS FOR THE FIREDOGLAKE-ISTAS
I have to add my voice loudly to the chorus of kudos accorded y’all w/respect to your blog. The authors, and the bulk of the posting contributors, have my great respect for both their devoted efforts, attention to detail and nuance, and their incisive analytics. Before a couple of weeks ago, I never paid any attention to the blogs. I found this one via something I as surfing that got me onto the Huffington Post, which got me here. I now check in every day.
We are in a very dangerous time (and NOT principally because of the “terrists” but in predominant measure owing to the criminals now in control of our federal administration), and the work of people like you is helping keep the MSM out of total suckup catatonia.
We CAN make a difference. e.g., I like to think I had a hand in helping scuttle the totally mendacious and functionally retarded DARPA “Total Information Awareness” civilian data mining proposal of 2002. When I learned of it, I got HUGELY pissed, so I wrote up some methodological rebuttal stuff, posted it online, and started emailing [ http://www.bgladd.com/Total_Information_Awareness/ ] Well, Farhad Manjoo of Salon.com called me one day outa the friggin’ blue for an interview, and then included me in a writeup. THAT led to my being contacted by Chuck Pena and Robert Levy of the Cato Institute. Cato people asked to use my stuff in a congressional briefing.
By all means, run with it.
I even sarcastically snailmailed the scummy TIA Director John Poindexter (remember HIM?) with this letter:
http://www.bgladd.com/Total_In.....eport.html
Not too long thereafter, TIA was scrubbed by Congress (officially, that is. Similar stuff continues. Eternal Vigilance is required.).
So, yeah, even a nobody, deluded fantasy camp NBA-2Guard-wannabee schmuck like me can help neuter these pricks.
Last year I posted THIS shit online: http://www.bgladd.com/War_President/
That one helped cost me my risk management bank job (the Prez was a gung-ho, in-your-face Bush supporter. I got found out, and written up for inappropriate internet use. Funny how it never happened to the company Bush evangelists. I quit, under pressure. Glad I did.).
Fuck ‘em. What does not kill me only serves to make me stronger.
Keep the pressure on, good folks. Just THINKING about George W. Bush and his criminal handlers raises my BP 20 points. I no longer have that kind of cardiac headroom to spare.
Let’s take our nation back and try to repair the damage done by these arrogant assholes.
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Note to Claudia: You seem to think Dennis Hastert is a good republican. Dennis Hastert is as dirty as Cheney and Rove and the White House gang. He still thinks of himself as a wrestler, which he was in Illinois. He wasn’t a good wrestler. He isn’t a “good” speaker of the House of Representatives.
For all you people asking the question: who is pulling the strings? Why does there have to be anyone pulling the strings? As if someone planned all this. Blood in the water is the better theory, once there was a little, a lot of people who have been pissed on felt emboldened. To believe that all of these people are somehow acting in concert defies, IMO, both logic and any calculation of probability.
The Wingnuts thought they were invincible, never planned on losing the upper hand, and are now paying for it, and will continue to pay for it.
Both people and institutions have long memories, particular career bureaucrats/public servants who work for little money and glory but like what they do and think it is important (and chances are it is). Then we can move on to politicians and their memories, other countries, the American people (at least not the Wackos). Who haven’t the Wingnuts pissed off?
You should believe in astrology as much as thinking that someone is giving “orders” or permission here.
There is a big vacuum at the moment, getting bigger with every revelation (and there will be more), and although nature does not abhor a vacuum, politics does, government can’t survive in one. It doesn’t require someone to say, “Oh, go and fill the vacuum.” It just happens. I don’t care how close Wilkerson is to Poppy Preznit, my bet is, he is doing this on his own b/c his love of country is greater than his feelings of loyalty to anyone.
Bobby G:
Well, I always note your comments, but this one is a blow-out (? whatever that means..) so I had to say thanks for the personal info. and for the encouraging news that even “deluded” types such as yourself/ ourselves can CAN make a huge difference.
BTW, have you heard of Diebold? They need your attention too, ASAP.
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Pachacutec - As a pychiatrist (or psychologist), what do you think odds are that Preznit is heading for an anomic breakdown, if not suicide.
Bobby G-
I salute you and your dad.
z
Heh - been listening to Dylan a lot this week.
“Those among you full of highest teaching
Who teach us to renounce the major sins
Should know before you do your heavy preaching
Our middle’s empty, there it all begins
Your vices and our virtues are so dear to you
So learn this simple truth from this our song
Wherever you aspire, whatever you may do
First feed the face and then talk right and wrong
For even honest folk may act like sinners
Unless they’ve had their customary dinners
What keeps a man alive?
What keeps a man alive? He lives on others.
He likes to taste them first, then eat them whole if he can
Forgets that they’re supposed to be his brothers
That he himself was ever called a man.”
Yours in Fealty to the Homeland,
Robert E. Gladd
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Robert - your letter to Poindexter is a classic. Brilliant even. I laughed so hard I cried.
Did you ever receive a response?
Valley Girl -
Yeah, there aren’t enough hours in the day it seems to keep up with the crap going down.
BTW- thanks for the kind words. I’m not shittin’ about the Salon piece, see this:
http://research.lifeboat.com/bigbrother.htm
(no longer directly online on Salon, but that was the article. He called me one day while I wuz at WORK! A cube rat place [think “Office Space] with enquiring ears all around. LOL.)
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EPU- I’ve had the same sorts of thoughts myself. Don’t know what anomic breakdown is, actually, but I get the point. But, short of suicide, how would we actually know that Bush is totally off the rails? I mean, isn’t he already?
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Valley Girl: Would you please give us the Numbers for the bill and amendment containing McCain’s anti-torture language? If would be very helpful for those of us who intend to write to the nine senatorial thugs.
zennurse -
My heart aches for me Dad. He’s 89 and in a nursing home with dementia. Thinks I’m his brother. Confused as to why Pop would name us both “Bobby”.
I wanna die during full-court, driving the lane for a layup. (”… and that old school cracker bricked the layup…”)
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dab -
No.
I thought long and hard before doing that (”you are now noticed”). But, screw it. Our nation is being put in the moral shitter by these people. I intend to go down swinging.
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Karen:
Link follows. As best I can figure, from this link, it is the McCain Amdt. No. 1977 to H.R. 2863 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2006). I’m quoting that from the link. Looks like the Senate was addressing a House Resolution (HR), and the McCain Amdt. was one of the amendments voted on by the Senate. Anyone who knows more, please feel free to chime in.
http://www.senate.gov/legislat.....9#position
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poor karl — another day, another scandal. it doesn’t quite reach the level of compromising national security, but the stink is all too familiar:
November 5, 2005
Spending Inquiry for Top Official on Broadcasting
By STEPHEN LABATON
WASHINGTON, Nov. 4 - Kenneth Y. Tomlinson, the head of the federal agency that oversees most government broadcasts to foreign countries, including the Voice of America and Radio Free Europe, is the subject of an inquiry into accusations of misuse of federal money and the use of phantom or unqualified employees, officials involved in that examination said on Friday. …
In recent weeks, State Department investigators have seized records and e-mail from the Broadcasting Board of Governors, officials said. They have shared some material with the inspector general at the corporation, including e-mail traffic between Mr. Tomlinson and White House officials including Karl Rove, a senior adviser to President Bush and a close friend of Mr. Tomlinson.
Mr. Rove and Mr. Tomlinson became friends in the 1990’s when they served on the Board for International Broadcasting, the predecessor agency to the board of governors. Mr. Rove played an important role in Mr. Tomlinson’s appointment as chairman of the broadcasting board.
The content of the e-mail between the two officials has not been made public but could become available when the corporation’s inspector general sends his report to members of Congress this month.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11.....nted=print
Re: Masters of War…
I don’t know how many times in the past five years I’ve thought of Eisenhower’s farewell speech:
An excerpt:
“This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
Obviously this country is currently being run by the military industrial complex. And sadly that’s how the world now views us.
Me,
Thanks for the contact info on the reincarnated Nazis. I’ve taken the liberty of posting this important information on my site.
…I too have had personal experience with terrorists with badges. It takes a long time to heal from such encounters.
Here’s to a brighter future and a return to National sanity..
Peace
dab - How prescient!
Recently seen on a bumper sticker:
Would someone just give Bush a blowjob so we can impeach him?
Bobby G:
re: the Salon piece, I never doubted you!! After all, I’m a scientist, and I believe in Intelligent Design.
Missed the info about your Dad until that last post. Hard going. My own had Alzheimer’s and died at 80. I remember him wanting me to organize his room in the nursing home by stacking all the chairs in one corner, and he was very insistent about that. I lived 3000 miles away, so I didn’t see him often. However, the last time I visited before his death (also same time as chair stacking commands) I took him out for a spin in his wheel chair. And, he pointed to some cars along the edge of the grounds, and asked “so which one is your rental car?”. And, he had beaten me at gin rummy, months before, even though I had to keep reminding him of the rules. So, even though you get strange responses back, I hope you will comfort yourself with the notion that the truth, love, and concern is going in
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Re the McCain amendment: Fine to write to the 9 senators, but don’t forget to write to the Cheney thug Dennis Hastert, who is personally blocking the McCain amendment. Hastert is the current devil here.
sorry for the multiple post - refresh evidently equals repost as well
as for Sen McCain, claudia, he is first a pol and as such tends to pick his battles
that said, given the choice, i’d take him over Kerry
but we won’t be given the choice
in the mean time , consider succession
you need to pray for W’s continued health so long as the dark lord is next in line (empty suit regardless - you dont really want dickie in word and deed)
then we get to the cat killer
(things are not looking too sharp here)
i fell asleep in civics class
who’s next , assuming they’re all wearing orange next season?
i don’t see this congress or supremem court heading towards special election territory
Valley Girl -
I hear ya. My Dad is down in Melbourne, FL. We live in Vegas. I have my own personal Delta red-eye seat from LAS to MLB and back, but I can’t go nearly as often as I’d like. My Ma is now 83, last fall I had to get her moved to assisted living, after she barely survived two direct hurricane hits (STILL dealing with insurance claims). My Pop’s gears are stripped, but when I hang with him (which she will NOT) he perks up and jabbers episodic sense, and I can make him laugh. I wish I could move him out to Vegas, and go see him every day, and take him out for rides and just hang.
My Pop was a PATRIOT. He would be aghast at what has been done to this nation in the past 4 years by the incoherent, infuriating Dilettante-in-Chief and his handlers.
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Puzzled at 7:07
Every profession has it’s jargon. Even surgeons have ‘locker room talk”. When a person undergoes the stress of a heart bypass operation there are often attendant ‘micro-strokes’, resulting in reduced cognitive function. Surgeon’s call this “Pump head”.
Cheny has had four bypass operations.
This is who is running our country: Pump head and a dry drunk.
I remember Cheney from the early 80’s, when he was a Congressman from Wyoming.
My recollection is that he was easily the most rightwing member of Congress at that time, and he seemed batshit crazy then—-really scary.
I think he learned to hide his craziness, but he was never sane.
I’m sure the heart disease didn’t help. I believe it was Scowcroft who said that Cheney’s personality suffered a drastic change after his bypass operation in 1988—he could no longer control his temper at all.
By the way, I believe Cheney has only had one (quadruple) bypass operation; however, he has had 5 heart attacks. His ejection fraction can’t be very good.
Bobby G,
Oh, yeah. I hear ya too. My mother’s house was at the epicenter of the Northridge Earthquake in 1994, insurance co. very closely entangled with Neil Bush went bankrupt, etc. etc., and still, even yet, we she/I are dealing with a request to provide info to CIGA (?) some kind of CA backup insurance thing by Dec. 4, and I’m still 3000 miles away…
BTW, she loathes Bush, and that, at least, makes for a good point of agreement for telephonic communications. Read somewhere a while back that political preferences might be genetic… so maybe we come from good stock.
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First, let me say I don’t like Cheney. He’s a self-ser